Episode 62
Wandering the Wild Willapa with Seth Flemetis
One of Mother Nature's favorite sons, local outdoorsman Seth Flemetis joins me to talk about living in rural Washington, working in natural resources, and being a steward of the land. Seth grew up in the Willapa Valley and now he is working to protect it from invasive species. This conversation goes deep into life in coastal/rural Washington and what it means to thrive out here. We talk about hunting, fishing, invasive species management, and we go deep into Seth's wild hobbies: dirt bikes, building and jumping custom trucks, and butchering meat on weekends. We even meander into family relationships and you get to hear about Seth's history of family turmoil and the lessons that Seth has learned from his brother, who suffered brain-damage following en epileptic seizure. We cover a lot of ground, talk about some deep personal stuff, and have plenty of laughs.
This episode is about living in the moment and finding joy in your life, even when disaster strikes. Seth broke both arms, both legs, both collar bones, four ribs, and his neck and back twice each, but still has a great attitude and is excited to keep living life to the fullest. This podcast was a pleasure to make and I hope you enjoy it.
This is National Invasive Species Awareness Week.
If you need information regarding invasive species in Washington State, check out these resources:
Washington State Noxious Weed Control Board
Pacific County Noxious Weed Control Board
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Keywords: Invasive Species Awareness Week; Loomis Lake; fishing; conservation; European Green Crab; manilla clams; Willapa Bay; Spartina; habitat destruction; biological weed control; outdoors; hunting; deer; elk; black bear; dog training; processing meat; photography; coyotes; population control; hoof rot; Toyota; custom trucks; jumping trucks; off-roading; game cops; poaching; relationships; riding dirtbikes; Ward Creek MX; spartina alterniflora; mechanics; airboat maintenance; WDFW; Washington State Department of Fish and Wildlife; USFWS; pescatarian diet; vegetarian diet; veganism; microbiome; airboat operation; The Waterboy; muscle memory; motorcycle accident; TRX450; yoga; breathwork; boxing in VR; podcasting; click bait; controversy; integrity; fighting; striking technique.
Music:
- Little Moments (instrumental version), Gamma Skies.
- Dreaming Out Loud; Middle and End.
- Fool's Paradise, Ofelia Moore.
- Still Fly, Revel Day.
Transcript
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[:[00:00:27] If you didn't already know this is invasive species awareness. Yeah. There's such a thing. I spend a lot of my time working on invasive species stuff, and this just seemed like a no brainer to me. I've wanted to do something for awhile every year. This comes up and I'm just like, ah, it's too late. I don't, I'm not going to do anything, but it really is a very important issue.
[:[00:01:12] And if you have any of those weeds on your property, it's against the law, you can be issued a ticket. I highly advise that you guys, especially at your property owner, go out a PC weeds.org, check that out. Look at the weed list. Just bruise it, browse it. And see if you have anything on there that sparks your recognition that you think, oh, I've seen that.
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[:[00:05:26] I didn't think much of it at the time because you know, it's just another job I'd worked before. I had worked at a grocery store for a few years before that, and I had sold wood bundles. I had done lawn mowing for my grandpa and for other people. When I took this research job, I had no idea I was picking a career that was going to change the whole rest of my life.
[:[00:06:22] I didn't really want to go into psychology, which is what I had been studying in college. So I had a choice to make either go on to grad school or look for a job. I decided to look for a job. I ended up finding a job as a roofer, which I talked about a little bit in last week's episode with David Casper, but it was really hard work, insanely hard work.
[:[00:07:07] I still remember that moment that I got that phone call just being like, that's it. I made it. I'm out of poverty. My life is set from now on. I just have to be smart and not mess it up. That was a big moment for me. That was February, 2013. So I've spent the last nine years figuring this job out and trying to get really good at it.
[:[00:07:46] Ed was an old miner who had started doing noxious weed control. When he noticed that this part-time was becoming a major problem in the bay head is the one who trained me. When I first took this job. In fact, he had actually applied for the job [00:08:00] too, and they gave it to me. So you can imagine it was kind of awkward.
[:[00:08:27] Within a year, we had figured out a really good system and we became kind of a dynamic duo and we were able to accomplish a lot and did a lot of very big projects on a very small budget. And we did that for a lot of years. We slowly improved our programs. Little by little things got better and better.
[:[00:09:16] And none of them have worked out until Seth. Seth is a local boy, he's from valley, born and raised, and he's got a great heart. You really get to see that today because we talked for three hours and he talks about his brother who has brain damage and he takes care of him. And some of the things that he's learned through that process, which I found particularly inspiring, he talks about his life as a Daredevil and how he loves the adrenaline rush of riding dirt bikes, four wheelers, or hunting, or just being outside.
[:[00:10:15] We're all stewards of the land. It's our job together collectively. And it's really good to see a young person who has the right idea about how important that is and why we need to be good stewards. Plus he's just a. He's funny. He's smart. He's a good guy. And I really enjoyed this podcast. My guest today is a weed control specialist.
[:[00:11:02] Seth Flemetis: It's my time to
[:[00:11:12] Seth Flemetis: So you, is this a good distance? Yeah, that's perfect. Perfect. Perfect. Oh, let's say that's
[:[00:11:25] Seth Flemetis: I haven't put on my new coat for it.
[:[00:11:28] Cotton? Yeah. That's nice.
[:[00:11:35] Jeff Nesbitt: worn them for years. I love him. I've never had one. The
[:[00:11:45] Jeff Nesbitt: say no. Oh, I bet I've got a sweatshirt that I've had for 17 years.
[:[00:11:57] Seth Flemetis: It's still fits and everything. Oh yeah. That's impressive.
[:[00:12:04] Seth Flemetis: That's impressive. It still fits though. Oh, there's
[:[00:12:12] Seth Flemetis: Ran out, got a bottle of wine a day.
[:[00:12:23] Seth Flemetis: Oh, that's fine. I don't drink very often.
[:[00:12:35] Seth Flemetis: I'm not normally a huge IPA fan, but what's
[:[00:12:40] Seth Flemetis: a light.
[:[00:12:46] Jeff Nesbitt: push lights. Good stuff. Uh, we, we drank regular
[:[00:12:57] I used to drink a lot of Bush heavy when I was in high school. But so [00:13:00] what was heavy? Well, that's just your regular bullish. Yeah,
[:[00:13:06] Seth Flemetis: The gross. That's a heavy it's disgusting shit. Did you hang all the blankets and stuff for noise cancellation and,
[:[00:13:18] Yeah. I could see that. Yeah. It's just a pole building. I
[:[00:13:24] Jeff Nesbitt: It looks good. It was fun. Yeah. I was going to make the show. It was going to be a YouTube show. Yeah. So I tried to paint like a set and I realize that's way too much work. I can't, I,
[:[00:13:37] Yeah. That's, that'd be a lot of work for sure. Yeah.
[:[00:13:59] Seth Flemetis: Hey, [00:14:00] I've always wanted to be on one.
[:[00:14:18] Jeff Nesbitt: didn't know how to do it a year ago either, but I can figure it out.
[:[00:14:21] Seth Flemetis: you have YouTube. Yeah, exactly.
[:[00:14:36] Seth Flemetis: cause there's no, yeah, but I mean, that's the thing too, is like when I was getting into.
[:[00:14:58] Yeah. They might look completely [00:15:00] different and they might have different uses, but they all do the same shit, you know? So once you learn the basics, you kind of build off that. Yeah. And then experience everything's experience. That's
[:[00:15:16] Seth Flemetis: Yeah. It's all experience.
[:[00:15:33] Jeff Nesbitt: I mean, those people can be the best teachers, if some people aren't because they don't have that teaching things and they just don't understand why you don't get it and they can get frustrated with you.
[:[00:15:43] Seth Flemetis: and that's like, I mean, that's how my dad is kind of all with me anyway, because I'm his kid and he, I guess he expects more out of me, but I got rode four wheelers and everybody from my whole life. And I mean, you ride them, you blow them up. Right. Well, the numbering at home dad, Hey, fix it please. And he got mad cause I blew one up [00:16:00] three times in a row and I only wrote it for three weeks each time.
[:[00:16:22] He come down and he goes, okay, this is what you did wrong. And then we got in a big fight because he can't teach me anything. And he's one of those I was just talking about, Hey, exactly. Yep. That was where I was going with that. And so we got in a big argument and blah, blah, blah. But that's how I got started.
[:[00:16:49] Jeff Nesbitt: So it's invasive species awareness week. Yeah. Are you aware of that? Yeah,
[:[00:17:03] Perfect. Oh, on the fifth. It's the 5th of March, but yeah, I
[:[00:17:23] Seth Flemetis: especially right now.
[:[00:17:35] Jeff Nesbitt: True. Really true. Yeah. I'm learning new stuff this very week. Yeah, the carp. Yeah.
[:[00:17:41] You're
[:[00:17:42] People want me to help them do a carp program for Loomis lake. I've never used carp for weed control or for anything else. Never, never had no interaction with carp in my life, but I'm the weed guy I'm figuring out, but I've been doing research and it seems like it's not a [00:18:00] practical place for carp. No. So in my research, it looks like Carper used in really well contained bodies of water, especially like holding ponds and things with very defined limits.
[:[00:18:22] Seth Flemetis: so they could leak into other tributaries maybe. Yeah. That's not good.
[:[00:18:32] That way
[:[00:18:39] Jeff Nesbitt: And I don't even think about the Columbia, but yeah, cause they're, they're freshwater fish, so they'd have to get there from the, through the ocean somehow, but there's, there's enough waterways through the peninsula that they could probably figure it out.
[:[00:18:52] Seth Flemetis: amazing. They are amazing, man. I mean, I still had fish like there. Well I fished like there's no tomorrow I fish salmon and steelhead bass, whatever. I mean, if it [00:19:00] will buy a hook and it's in the water, offish, Florida, I don't care. But I mean, steelhead, we were out fishing one time and we were actually on our way to this river that's way up in the woods, you know, and we didn't, we were kind of going out on a limb go into that river, but not really.
[:[00:19:30] Oh wow. Thanks. So you know, it came from the ocean.
[:[00:19:36] Seth Flemetis: Y per dams and log jams and slides. And I don't know how it made it there, but it, did
[:[00:19:53] Yeah. You talked to ed
[:[00:20:05] Jeff Nesbitt: on Monday? Yeah, I think so. Okay. Well, he's got my calendar will be there on Monday. Okay, cool.
[:[00:20:11] Jeff Nesbitt: go over everything then. Yeah, I guess we don't really need to have a work unit.
[:[00:20:28] Seth Flemetis: there. You have it right on. I won't bring it up.
[:[00:20:35] Seth Flemetis: workers, and then we'll let everybody just
[:[00:20:45] Like I try for really hard. Not because otherwise this show will suck. Yeah. If I'm, if I'm constantly having to be like, all right, well, does that align with so-and-so's views or yeah.
[:[00:21:01] Jeff Nesbitt: about it, because we do interesting shit.
[:[00:21:09] Seth Flemetis: And now green crab. Yeah. So Inslee signed a ordinance that he lauded like $8.6 million to go to this green crab project. And, uh, we're hoping we can get a little chunk out of it so that we can keep up what we're doing, which is what we set traps.
[:[00:21:50] And then all the other stuff we kind of like, eh, we're going to get away from that. And so that way we can focus more attention on just pulling as many as we possibly can. And really [00:22:00] this last month we've noticed something kind of strange where we're pulling a lot of grabbing females, which is what is grabbing me.
[:[00:22:21] Jeff Nesbitt: Damn. Yeah. That's a lot of reproduction going
[:[00:22:28] Jeff Nesbitt: Shit. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder, do you have any idea how the, how they get fertilized? They get fertilize on the female or does she have to lay them somewhere and the guy comes up?
[:[00:22:48] That makes
[:[00:22:52] Seth Flemetis: Yep, exactly. Now, so we pull the trap and she was able, and they were actively doing it in the trap. And uh, [00:23:00] so
[:[00:23:06] Yeah,
[:[00:23:34] Jeff Nesbitt: I have never seen those open. I haven't either. I always just because that's how you open a crab. Like you pop that little thing. It's like the little tab you pull and then it
[:[00:23:44] Jeff Nesbitt: Wiener. Oh man. Yeah. I guess cause we're eating mails. You rip his Dick off and pull his back apart.
[:[00:23:52] Seth Flemetis: it's yeah. And you would've never thought that that's good. I know I didn't. I pulled up that pot and I looked at it and I looked at ed and I [00:24:00] was like, I don't know what the hell are these two crabs are doing, but it looks like some dirty shit. And so I took a picture of it and I sent it to Alex and she's, she's the person who would go through for sea grant.
[:[00:24:24] So, you know, I didn't want to let you know. And she goes, yeah, they threw the study's on the east side of the United States where they're like a horrible problem. They can only breed soft shell. That's how they do it. And then when they harden up, they release all their eggs that are already fertilized.
[:[00:24:50] Jeff Nesbitt: cluster of orange and there's a lot of them on their belly. Yep, yep. Yeah. That's. So, uh, you know, begs the question of how many gravid females are out there right now.
[:[00:25:09] Seth Flemetis: definitely. And ed loaned, I don't remember the exact number of traps. He loaned them to an oyster grower. That's up by Stackpole or actually Nakata right above Nakota.
[:[00:25:27] Jeff Nesbitt: clamps eaten all the Manila clamps. I read that they can get pretty much any claims under three quarters of an inch. They can eat them. Oh yeah.
[:[00:25:40] And I was talking to an oyster grower and he, I mean, he's not just starting out by any means, but he started a new bed and it was by one of our like kind of established hotspots that we knew there was a bunch of green crab and he lost over a third of his nursery. And I mean, I [00:26:00] can't say that that was green crab because I didn't do the study in his nursery.
[:[00:26:20] Jeff Nesbitt: It's pretty likely. Yeah, exactly. You're not going to make a causal connection.
[:[00:26:40] Seth Flemetis: yeah, exactly. Even oyster, uh, the nursery losses.
[:[00:26:53] Jeff Nesbitt: but you do have some, you just don't have data on the exactly, but you have data that says, yeah, green crab have increased [00:27:00] this much
[:[00:27:04] Jeff Nesbitt: very crazy.
[:[00:27:21] Yeah. And how many of you had this so far in 20 22, 20
[:[00:27:31] Jeff Nesbitt: That's a 10 X increase.
[:[00:27:44] Jeff Nesbitt: That's a problem. Yeah. Each one of those. Yeah. It's stuff that other animals are supposed
[:[00:28:02] And the reason they say that is because down in California, they have kind of what Lemy has. They have the sea pond that doesn't have anything really in it, other than a shitload of green crap. But, uh, oh, what do you call it? They have like housing complex that has that pond in the center of it. And that's where they have the huge amount of green crab and what the man-made pond.
[:[00:28:43] And that, I mean, that's what Lamese is basically, I mean, yeah. They have two flood gates, but they're both broke. What are they really doing? How did they even get in there at the larva? Oh yeah, yeah, exactly. Or like if there was a flood, you know, and there's larva floating around. They come right in. Yeah.
[:[00:29:00] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh, constantly. That's the reason the carp thing could really bite you. The IRS. I'm not interested in that. Yeah. That could bite you in
[:[00:29:15] Well then it flooded no seven and now they have a humongous bass problem in the Shalers river. Oh wow. Because they made it to the river and now they have an invasive species in the river killing little fish that happens a fish farms all the time. But yeah. I mean, that stuff happens all the time. You don't even think about it when you're doing it.
[:[00:29:49] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. When you're not forced to confront the fact that the world is changing around you a hundred percent time all the time, it's easy to ignore. Yeah,
[:[00:30:06] I mean, whatever you're doing, and if it's a nice day, you go, yeah, right on, we'll go do something tomorrow. Outside bullet could be raining tomorrow and you didn't even think, you just assume it's going to be nice. You know what I mean? So I mean,
[:[00:30:18] Exactly. The severe weather is really ramped up
[:[00:30:25] Jeff Nesbitt: Right. And last year there was another crazy flood it's really gotten worse. And it's, I know it's, it's people get tired of, I talk about that all the time, because I really think that climate change is real and it's here a hundred percent, but there's still nothing I can do.
[:[00:30:42] Seth Flemetis: you can't do anything about it,
[:[00:30:50] Seth Flemetis: especially when you work outside, you know what I mean? You're in the environment every day and you get to see the beauty of it.
[:[00:31:03] Jeff Nesbitt: I know you're a hunter and now you work in natural resource that you have for a long time, worked in natural. And you're just like, you're an outdoorsman jail pretty connected to your home and to the actual land.
[:[00:31:15] Seth Flemetis: there's a certain joy. I get standing on a river or even at work. I mean, just being on the water, it just, I can't explain it. I can't tell you what the feeling is. I'm just happy takes your stress away. It just, for me anyway, being home is being on a river, being on a boat, it's being in the middle of absolutely nowhere.
[:[00:31:45] Jeff Nesbitt: Exactly. We are built out of nature and we're part of nature. You can't, you can't separate it. No, it's waste your attention. You can separate yourself from nature, but then once you get back in it, you're like, oh, this is right.
[:[00:31:57] Seth Flemetis: Exactly. And I mean, that's when I'm out [00:32:00] hunting, I don't worry about, I mean, you know, okay, you worry about the predators, but if you think about it, you're a predator yourself. All you gotta do is put yourself on top of that food chain, you know, and that's what it's essentially a Cougar is trying to do, or a Bobcat or a coyote.
[:[00:32:20] Jeff Nesbitt: is aware of the surroundings. Aggressively intentional, like I'm out to fuck
[:[00:32:35] I mean, I do not get out of my truck unless I know where the wind is blowing it. Especially like if I got a herd of elk on lock and I know where they are and they don't know where I am yet, I need to know where that winds blowing before it get out of my truck. So that way, when I opened my truck, I mean, you're just opening a can of smell right there.
[:[00:33:08] It's a very long shot, but I've been very hard. I've been shooting the bows since I could pull them back. So, I mean, I've got the, I've got the time I've got the experience goes back to the experience thing. I've got the experience with a bow. I've put in the time when I go home three months before season, I shoot a hundred shots a day.
[:[00:33:42] I've worked in butcher shops. I've I slaughtered cows on weekends for, I mean, that's kinda much just for fun. It's kinda my side hustle, you know? I mean, my grandpa does it. It's what I've done, but both my grandpa has actually owned farms. So I mean, I've been around it my whole life. I get it, but nothing hurts me.
[:[00:34:16] It's still death, but you know, that, that thing did not feel a thing. It just, all of a sudden was dead. You know, it's almost like dying in their sleep. I feel like. And if you mess that shot up where everybody messes up every once in a while, but the fruit I'll never forget it. The first time I messed up, it still haunts me.
[:[00:34:36] Jeff Nesbitt: that. The deer I got last year and I blew his ass apart, it's like, fuck, that
[:[00:34:45] Jeff Nesbitt: it does. Yeah. I actually, I was like, fuck, I'm not a man. Yeah. I can't even make a shot.
[:[00:35:08] When I go to do this, I can't, now I know I can't do that. So now we have to set up, maybe set up a little longer, maybe look at it a little longer, you know, kind of, well, maybe it's a little quartered away, you know, I'm going to sit here for five more minutes and see if I can get a better shop. And that's just all it is do it.
[:[00:35:39] I never got the shot at it button. I can sit here in front of you and say confidently, say I didn't
[:[00:35:55] Seth Flemetis: bouncing, you know, I mean, that's the thing and it goes off and die somewhere.
[:[00:36:13] Yeah.
[:[00:36:18] Seth Flemetis: Well, and especially wolves, Elliot Yella, if they don't care. So little bear,
[:[00:36:25] Seth Flemetis: They are brutal, especially blackbirds. They're actually more dangerous. And grizzly bears a lot
[:[00:36:31] They're like, and the, the deers, like it's, it's getting its ass torn out. And the bears just like smiling, the deer screaming. It's like, this is the horrible horrifying shit. Yeah. And I'm not sure it does
[:[00:36:50] How can you kill something? How can you take someone's life? And it's like, Hey, you ever seen, have you ever watched animal planet?
[:[00:37:10] And a lot of them have like the graphic warning. If you don't want to watch this shit, don't watch it. And sometimes I don't because I'm not always ready for it. Yeah. Especially first thing in the morning, they tend to come up on my feet at like 5:00 AM. Oh, that's shitty. Yeah. It's like, I don't wake up to that.
[:[00:37:41] I honestly, I was jealous and I was like, I want, I wanted to be part of that because everyone around here, not everyone around here, hunts, but people with resources do people who can afford to and, and, you know, have like private landowners where they can, you know, hunt on their property or they have the right equipment and shit.
[:[00:38:16] Seth Flemetis: Yeah. I mean, I can, I could see where you're coming from on that, that
[:[00:38:21] Yeah, exactly. And I think a lot of people feel like that. They don't even know that that's what it is, but there's this tragedy of the commons. It's like the fact that there are these common resources that we all share and there's not enough to go around. If everyone hunted there would be no hunting. No, you're a hundred percent.
[:[00:38:37] Seth Flemetis: enough. Yeah. You're a hundred percent. Right. And that's the problem with poachers. I mean, not that the sole Rob or problem with poach poachers, especially the ones that are just going out and getting horns. I mean that, oh my God. I hate that. I absolutely hate that. Yeah. I mean bloody in and do
[:[00:39:02] Like the fact he can't use dogs. Yeah. Um, if you're using a dog to hunt bear, that seems like a safer way to hunt bear for
[:[00:39:21] How many garbage cans do you see still standing? Yeah,
[:[00:39:34] Seth Flemetis: Yeah, no, we were out there when I was working for Tim Wilson. We were spraying out at the park out there.
[:[00:39:48] Jeff Nesbitt: I was there. Yeah. They're not as scared of us as we are. That's a bunch of
[:[00:39:54] Jeff Nesbitt: I've looked at bear right in the eyes and he knew what I was and he was not afraid of me.
[:[00:40:00] Seth Flemetis: Yeah. No, they don't care. No. Why would they squishy fucking 500 pounds every year. No
[:[00:40:09] Seth Flemetis: that's the thing too. I mean, so the way I look at it and the reason I'm not scared of bears, the only bear I would say I'm scared of. And honestly, I don't even know if I'd be scared.
[:[00:40:38] It was not good. Oh, that'd be horrible. Oh God, four months old that
[:[00:40:42] Seth Flemetis: Oh yeah. But I mean, and honestly, You can be in four months old, I was able to call her off of it, which was amazing. But the shitty part was the cupboard ran so far. Mom didn't know where it was and now she had to go through me to find her baby, which, and I mean, in all reality, you can't blame her.[00:41:00]
[:[00:41:16] Oh
[:[00:41:19] Seth Flemetis: Well, I mean, if she's charging me and gonna kill me, it's now
[:[00:41:26] Seth Flemetis: just like motherless, honest to God. I go find those Cubs. I'd raise them. Oh really? That's the way I am a hundred percent.
[:[00:41:39] Seth Flemetis: wanted to say a hundred percent is I would take those home and yeah, that would be smokey. The bear a hundred percent. I'd be raised in smokey, man.
[:[00:41:54] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh, no mower. Yeah.
[:[00:42:09] Yeah. And that happens. Oh, it does. It does. And honestly, I mean, that moment screwed me up. I was only seven years old. Oh, oh, geez dude. It was bad. And it's watching a full deer go through a mower at seven man. Holy shit. You were, you dream about that stuff for years. But we actually raised both of those.
[:[00:42:42] Jeff Nesbitt: it take a deer to reach maturity?
[:[00:42:57] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh yeah. Because free once a year they're like planes, [00:43:00] correct?
[:[00:43:02] Seth Flemetis: plant. Yeah. So, I mean, they're, they're only gonna breed once a year. They come into heat. Well, black tail on this side of the state, they're they're gonna come into he October, November. That's when they're going to get bred, they're going to have their babies April ish, somewhere in there.
[:[00:43:37] Exactly. It is an instinct. They have zero smell. They sit still do not touch them. Yeah. And, and I didn't know that, but if you see a baby deer in the woods and you touch it, you just killed it. That's this baby birds too. Oh, really? You know, see, I didn't know that.
[:[00:43:57] You find baby birds in a nest you're five or six years old. [00:44:00] You're going to grab them. They're going to die. Let's be, let's be real. Yeah, for sure. Um, and, and it's not that I didn't want to, I mean, I wanted them to live, but I was a kid. Yeah.
[:[00:44:13] Jeff Nesbitt: but the deer is the same way.
[:[00:44:15] Seth Flemetis: yeah. A hundred percent. Yeah. As soon as you put your smell on it, mom's done with it. It completely disowned it. Wow. Yeah. Totally. And completely. So you just gave some predator a meal.
[:[00:44:29] Seth Flemetis: Dear veal. Yeah. Yes. I don't know. I don't know. I don't like predators.
[:[00:44:36] Jeff Nesbitt: I used to think eating predators sounded gross cause cause of like the bioaccumulation of toxins. Yup. Yup. And I guess that's probably still true to some extent if you're eating a real fatty piece of meat. So lean, I don't know. Cause a lot of those chemicals stored in fat, the one that
[:[00:44:53] Okay. If a bear's eaten dead stuff, cause I'll eat rotten stuff. Like a Cougar will not eat [00:45:00] anything. If it's rotten period in the story, like they will only eat on what they killed for about three days and then they're done with it. They will not eat anything rotten. And I, I couldn't tell you why. I
[:[00:45:13] They don't give a shit about it, but it don't
[:[00:45:22] Jeff Nesbitt: eat fucking seem like a little bit of both. Yeah. I mean they're neither dog or cat, but yeah, they're just
[:[00:45:30] But, and getting back to actually that reminds me getting back to, uh, seeing a bear in the woods and not being scared. The way I come into it is have as much confidence as that bear does. You know what I mean? They don't give a shit you're there don't give a shit they're there.
[:[00:45:47] Yeah. Hunted might've spell it.
[:[00:45:57] Jeff Nesbitt: strategies work for humans to a hundred percent, [00:46:00] a hundred percent
[:[00:46:03] Jeff Nesbitt: only when you need to though.
[:[00:46:10] Seth Flemetis: in the night. Well, I mean, at that point, it's just like walking down the street, passing someone, you know, just don't worry about it. Don't show it. You're scared because then it knows it's already one.
[:[00:46:35] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. And they're always looking for where they are in the pack. They don't, they're not, there's a pecking order. Yeah. They're not humans. They're not just like, Hey, we're buddies. So we're always buddies. It's like, when you're with a group and you're with your dog, your dog is constantly looking to you for like, all right, what are we doing here?
[:[00:46:53] Seth Flemetis: hundred percent. And especially when they're puppies, get them around people. I messed up dogs. Yes. Yes. [00:47:00] Huge.
[:[00:47:04] Seth Flemetis: horrible one and I'll never do it again. Never. I will never do. I don't even care if that dog has rabies, I will not do it.
[:[00:47:12] Jeff Nesbitt: old yeller. I can't do it. I won't either. Nope. Talk
[:[00:47:33] And I was young and dumb and yeah, no problem. You know, as soon as I pulled the trigger, holy shit, dude, my whole life changed Judas my entire and I had never even had a dog up to that point, but my whole life changed and I was like, man, I'll never fucking do that again. Same with horses. I will not
[:[00:47:53] Yeah, I don't, I haven't done that one. Any, any
[:[00:48:12] So it's just, I'm to the point now where a cow has food, you know, I mean, that's just how it is a horse
[:[00:48:21] Seth Flemetis: two to three. There's a funny ass story behind. So we went up to a guy's house and we were slaughtering his cow and he wanted to shoot it. But I don't. If you want to shoot your own cow, man, you go right ahead.
[:[00:48:51] Jeff Nesbitt: place you do with an elk.
[:[00:48:54] Jeff Nesbitt: hit in the head because you're not
[:[00:48:56] Seth Flemetis: to get a trophy. I don't know. I'm trying to put it down as quickly as possible with [00:49:00] the most humane shot I can make. And that's the reason we use the two to three now, but we went up to this guy's house and he was a cop. And so he wanted to shoot it with this pistol.
[:[00:49:25] Literally. I damn near did that and showed him exactly where to shoot it, blah, blah, blah. And he did. I mean, he did exactly what I said and drop it. So we bled it, blah, blah, blah, which we slipped to throw it to bleed. And, uh, we were sitting there bullshitting and my buddy went up and kicked it about 10 minutes later and it stood up.
[:[00:49:45] Jeff Nesbitt: after
[:[00:49:59] Jeff Nesbitt: Get to go to LA, [00:50:00] we
[:[00:50:05] Jeff Nesbitt: Geez. That's a
[:[00:50:10] Jeff Nesbitt: Um, okay. So I have one theory of what could have possibly happen. So I'm sure you are familiar with chickens and how they do that. We, okay. So we have chickens and we've all, we've had chickens for years and every once in a while you get a rooster in the mix and somebody's got to chop a cock off.
[:[00:50:43] Seth Flemetis: And so always does
[:[00:50:59] He's the [00:51:00] killer. Like when no one's saying that, but that's like, he's always been the guy. So, um, he's in the chicken coop and we've got a run. That's like. Yeah. All with a net over the top. So you have to like crawl on your hands and knees or crouch really small. That sucks. Yeah. So he's, and there's seven chickens in there running around crazy.
[:[00:51:40] And she's just like, dad, what are you doing? And he's just like, what the fuck? I know Bruce. I started flipping out and he's flapping all over the place. And so he just, we had a piece of PVC pipe with a loop of rope in it. So he looped it and pulled it and got the Turkey, Turkey, got the chicken out and brought her around the corner.
[:[00:52:21] No far from it.
[:[00:52:24] Jeff Nesbitt: So he chopped this, fucker's head off a little bit of blood squirted out and then no more. And, uh, the chicken stood up was like, oh, That wasn't so bad. Yeah. And then just start walking around doing chicken shit. Yep. Pecking around and no head Peck in the ground with no Hills
[:[00:52:41] Yeah. Okay. I can't say I've ever seen one do that, dude. I've never seen one do that.
[:[00:53:02] We're going to have to do a second chop on this thing. And by this time Jake had left and it was just me and my friend. And so I'm like, dude, I don't want to grab this bloody ass chicken. All right. I'm just going to try to give it a good chop freestanding and a terrible plan. You ever got a fucking hit, a chicken with a machete, put something hard behind it up.
[:[00:53:31] Seth Flemetis: bends around it and it goes flying. It's like you hit it with the snow.
[:[00:53:43] No, I believe that. And like took off running. It was running at me. It was running away from me. It was just like, it was chaos. So I eventually had to chase this thing down, hold it, and then chop it good and low on the back, like shoulder level. And then it bled out. But I looked [00:54:00] on, I was like, I had to get on the internet, figure out what the fuck that was about.
[:[00:54:21] Wow. Cause I mean like your brain stem has a lot of motor control, but it was bizarre guys. Crazy.
[:[00:54:29] Jeff Nesbitt: but yeah, that was the least fun I've ever had. Killing a bird.
[:[00:54:42] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. You don't want to deal with the Dole machete.
[:[00:54:59] Jeff Nesbitt: sense. [00:55:00] It was a slaughter day. He got an unsexed batch. Exactly.
[:[00:55:09] He was there and we were on the last one and he goes, I want to hold. And he was standing there the whole time. He's doing great. You know, I let him cut a head off and everything. I mean he was having fun with it, so I was like, hell yeah, you want to warm life? Yeah, exactly. I go, you want to hold one? Well, right.
[:[00:55:44] Jeff Nesbitt: I bet. How's the kid doing now. He's
[:[00:56:04] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh, that sucks. Yeah. But do you think it's bad? I mean, everybody has to learn about death. Yeah. And not even there's levels to it. Everybody needs to learn, first of all, their death exists
[:[00:56:15] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. And then it's a thing you have to learn that everything you've ever loved and every one you've ever loved is eventually going to die and that's a hard pill to swallow.
[:[00:56:36] Seth Flemetis: and honestly, honestly, dude, like I used to worry about it. I used when I was a kid I've vividly remembered, like being scared of dying because I mean, you see it all the time, right?
[:[00:57:10] And I, I don't know. I just, I don't know what happened. I don't know when or what it just, I came to terms with it guess did it, you know, and it did, it did took a long time, but eventually I just, I guess I accepted it
[:[00:57:28] Seth Flemetis: No, it is always hard. Yeah. And honestly, like, going back to when I said I messed up on that first cow, I, every time I go to shoot a cow, now I remember that, you know what I mean?
[:[00:57:41] Jeff Nesbitt: yeah. Taking a life is not a easy thing to do. And it's not something that she take lightly. No,
[:[00:57:48] Jeff Nesbitt: Definitely. That's another thing that is a major problem with people's perception of hunters is the grip and grin pictures.
[:[00:58:02] Seth Flemetis: she
[:[00:58:06] Seth Flemetis: ass off to get, and honestly, The big Outfitters. I mean, I'm not trying to talk shit about the big Outfitters or anything.
[:[00:58:36] Exactly. I mean, that's their job, that's their whole business. Right? So then they get people that all they want is horns hanging on their wall. Yeah. And honestly, I don't like that. That sucks because they'll go out. I mean, you watch these hunting shows on TV and shit. And I had to quit watching them cause they just started pissing me off.
[:[00:59:10] Like really? And then they find it in a stiff as a board. So, you know, that rigor mortis has already done. So now you're into the spoiling stage and, and
[:[00:59:30] Seth Flemetis: It is how they just stiffen up and then below, and then the weird one is like some animals will get it quicker. Like elk way faster is in deer. Oh, really? Where are you faster? Oh yeah. Yeah. If you have it, like, especially in early elk season, because well, for me in archery, early elk seasons in September.
[:[01:00:08] You need to get that thing cooling, which on a deer, you can let them sit overnight, you know, late September you shoot one, right at dark, it's going to get down to 45 degrees. It'll be fine overnight for sure. It will. But, but you need to be there at daylight finding that deer because something else will not even that it's just, it will spoil because you're still not below freezing.
[:[01:00:36] Seth Flemetis: with the gut. Exactly. Yeah. And if, I mean, if you make a bad shot, that's a whole nother story. I mean, another one of those, for sure. But yeah. And I mean, if you opener, if you make a bad shot, then, then that changes the whole story. Yeah. But like. If you make a good shot.
[:[01:01:08] Jeff Nesbitt: Why does the elk fat tastes shitty?
[:[01:01:20] Jeff Nesbitt: I think elk steak is the best
[:[01:01:27] Jeff Nesbitt: like it. I think it tastes like a, I don't know people say Ganey, but I need that term because it doesn't mean anything.
[:[01:01:58] Got a little excited. I [01:02:00] knew there was a bull coming out, but got a little excited and I shot the first one that walked out and thank God it wasn't the lead cow, but it was actually a two year old cow that had not gotten bred yet. So, I mean, you're essentially shooting. Beef in that point. And I'll tell you what, man, that elk changed my entire perspective on wild game.
[:[01:02:38] Jeff Nesbitt: Elks tastes a lot like beef.
[:[01:02:47] Seth Flemetis: the best. I mean, the thing I love about hunting, the biggest enjoyment I get out of hunting is I just put that meat on the table. You know, I worked my ass off to put that meat on the table and I mean, I'm [01:03:00] the, and people love it.
[:[01:03:20] And you know, he didn't hold up, processing the animal. Good God. Yeah. Shooting. It's not even half the job. I mean, that's when the work starts is once you actually get one, that was the part I
[:[01:03:31] Seth Flemetis: And most people aren't.
[:[01:03:38] Seth Flemetis: mixer dude.
[:[01:03:44] Jeff Nesbitt: fucking weak. And it was like, I still have some in the freezer. It was, yeah. It was really rewarding to see a freezer full of meat at the end of the project. But I was like, man, I could've got all this meat for like 200 bucks. It took me a week pry this up, took me a [01:04:00] week to find the deer like, yup.
[:[01:04:07] Seth Flemetis: And then you wouldn't have got the satisfaction of when you sit down to eat that meal, you know, that came from your local land, which I love exactly. I mean, that is like eaten honey from your own bees.
[:[01:04:37] Jeff Nesbitt: you can prepare a whole meal from food that you grew and kill. I bet that's so satisfying.
[:[01:04:41] Seth Flemetis: I have not done. So. Yeah. Yeah. And I've never had the greens out of a garden to do it, but I definitely a lot of the meat I eat. I mean okay. Yeah. Essentially. Or the beef I eat. Yeah. I mean, I grew it it's on my grandpa's farm. I still technically
[:[01:04:59] Seth Flemetis: get.[01:05:00]
[:[01:05:16] Jeff Nesbitt: you can eat a pet
[:[01:05:21] Jeff Nesbitt: You ever seen city slickers?
[:[01:05:28] Seth Flemetis: I used to show and sell cows in four H. Oh yeah. And that was the first cow I sold on the I'll never forget it. His name was buddy and that cow was a fucking dog, literally like, so, oh yeah. His mom and his mom died when she had him. And so I bottle fed him like literally the day he was born was when I started bottle-feeding that calf.
[:[01:05:52] Jeff Nesbitt: fun.
[:[01:05:54] Jeff Nesbitt: in the ass. It bottle thinking humans. Not that fun. No. It's
[:[01:06:10] Kids are so lazy. Yeah. Well, yeah, exactly. I was, you know, I want to go, Hey
[:[01:06:21] Seth Flemetis: it. I liked the, I liked the bars.
[:[01:06:25] Seth Flemetis: podcasts. Oh, I like it. I'm digging it.
[:[01:06:32] It is pretty cool
[:[01:06:52] I got a butt chin. Bad really well
[:[01:07:00] Seth Flemetis: a sign of no one's ever going to see it. I know that.
[:[01:07:06] Seth Flemetis: chin. I dunno. I like, I like having a beard.
[:[01:07:13] Seth Flemetis: So did I, and then at 14 rolled around, knows like, holy shit. A couple of first year,
[:[01:07:24] Seth Flemetis: a bald spot right under my chin, but it filled in about four years. I have an, a beard and man that was a good day in my life.
[:[01:07:33] Jeff Nesbitt: any kind of a beard treatment? Nothing. Oh dude, you should try some. I thought about it. Why was a, in this thing, it was like the beard club for men. And they would send like a beard oil and a bomb and a brush and stuff, and it really makes having a beard kind of fun. Huh? It's like, I got a horse hair brush that felt great on my face.
[:[01:07:59] Seth Flemetis: geez. Was [01:08:00] that like manscaped or something? Yeah.
[:[01:08:07] Seth Flemetis: I actually should. If you're listening, you should fall through
[:[01:08:09] That's actually what I just used to do this mustache was my man's case. The lawn lawnmower 3.0 yeah. It's great. It's got a light on it. You can use it in the shower. Oh, it's kind of light on it. And it's got to somehow, I don't know how they did it, but they've got the technology to never Nick or snag your nuts.
[:[01:08:36] Seth Flemetis: all the time. You don't touch that area with an
[:[01:08:48] I mean, I've really tried. I've like tried to get it to no, no, no problem. Nothing. Wow. They try to get you to buy more than one. They're like, you shouldn't use the same trimmer on your nuts that you use on your face. It's gross. [01:09:00] It's like wash. It says who I'm not telling anybody it's my body. You can tell the podcast.
[:[01:09:10] Seth Flemetis: You know, you think about it. Everyone was. Yeah.
[:[01:09:22] All that will happen. Yeah. Anyway, we got sidetracked talking about my nuts. She'd get back to talking about animals. I was enjoying that.
[:[01:09:42] And they're big time hunters and this and that. And in the off season, well you just go look at them and that's not very cool. I still want to shoot him, shoot him with a camera. Exactly. That was where I was headed. And that's my buddies. They'd been buying cameras and this and that dude, they get some bad ass pictures, bad ass pictures.
[:[01:10:04] Jeff Nesbitt: my tree. Stand again. I think anytime you can layer your hobbies, do it because that's just going to enrich you as a person. Like you can layer photography on top of hunting on top of hiking on top of just being outdoors, all of those things you like, and now it's going to be something.
[:[01:10:20] Seth Flemetis: then, I mean, bringing this back to the job, I mean, just being outdoors, being, seeing animals, I mean, shit, dude. I was out looking for spar tiny the other day and had a coyote charge me. Wow. Where at, uh, you know, we're taco Flatos. So, you know, we're all at the cops hanging out on that big, long, straight strip.
[:[01:10:54] And uh, because I'm a big predator hunter, you know, and Kyle it's open year round, blah, blah, blah. But there's so [01:11:00] many
[:[01:11:03] Seth Flemetis: that's horribly, too many of them might be any. Yeah. I mean, we've lost calves. We lose calves every year to them
[:[01:11:11] Seth Flemetis: smart.
[:[01:11:18] Jeff Nesbitt: know. Oh, they used to only be in like a couple places in the country. Now they are in every state in the union and Patton. There are coyotes in Manhattan,
[:[01:11:28] I didn't know that, but I didn't know. They were only in a few places beginning. They're just
[:[01:11:38] Seth Flemetis: food they'll live, they don't care. It's impressive, but I'm work. Yeah, exactly. And then, and that's, I mean, you got security in the pack and then you got enough of them.
[:[01:11:51] Jeff Nesbitt: about their reproductive strategy. Also that really helps them. Like every time one dies, two more born or some shit like that. I don't remember what it is. [01:12:00] Exactly.
[:[01:12:08] It's crazy. Yeah. If you run the same call, if you shoot one Kyle on one call that night and they've heard the gunshot go off, while that call's going off, you better switch your calls or you won't see another one.
[:[01:12:22] Seth Flemetis: make that plan. I would think so, but I mean, there's still a dog, you know what I mean?
[:[01:12:34] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. It is. And regular dogs like to investigate everything. When it's a pack of dogs, they don't all have to go. And
[:[01:12:47] We're not going out there, you know? And that's where you start changing your strategies. So now. They have this Fox pro that has this new call-out. Well, I guess it's three, four years old now, but, uh, as soon as you [01:13:00] shoot, it recognizes a gunshot and changes your call instantly. Cool. Yeah. So, I mean, and I bought one of those and honestly that has really changed the game for me in Kyle hunting.
[:[01:13:09] Jeff Nesbitt: it just like a little bit like different dying rabbit.
[:[01:13:30] So as soon as I shot it played a fond in distress. Three coyotes came out as soon as I shot, that is so smart. It was crazy. But if you completely change species on them, they're like, holy shit, there's a whole nother thing going on. Exactly. I duck hunt in this field while in my grandpa's field. And he's got that's the field that we lose a calf or two in every year.
[:[01:14:06] And so they'll fly a little ways and go down and you didn't see him, or, you know, you were too busy grabbing the other three that you shot or this and that. I mean, there's tons of different excuses, why you missed one, but it happens. And, uh, the. And they know that when I come out and hunt in the morning, there may be food laying out in that field that night.
[:[01:14:36] Jeff Nesbitt: it's planning that takes, right? Like that's like 12 hours later, animals are able to remember or plan ahead, be like, oh, I gotta remember to go out there tonight.
[:[01:15:02] Wow. Yep.
[:[01:15:04] them?
[:[01:15:14] Jeff Nesbitt: pile, but yeah, just doing population control.
[:[01:15:18] Jeff Nesbitt: that's what tag him or anything was
[:[01:15:23] Yep. And you can hunt them during night. The only restriction on Kyle hunting in Washington state is during modern firearm season. You can't hunt them at night. Oh, that's the only restrict how come because they don't want you to, because a lot of people, a lot of poachers will go out and say, oh, you know, I'm just kind of.
[:[01:15:46] Jeff Nesbitt: like to hunt at night, much easier, so much. You see a
[:[01:15:58] Jeff Nesbitt: Of deer really? [01:16:00] Between the hours of four and 7:00 AM.
[:[01:16:05] Seth Flemetis: every day everywhere. Exactly. And you can't hunt them at night. I mean, that's why you can't hunt them in those hours. Cause they're a nocturnal animal shit. I mean, and that goes back to the, if everybody hunted there would be no animals.
[:[01:16:20] Jeff Nesbitt: on the other side of that too, I don't want it to sound like I'm anti-hunting at all. Cause I'm totally for it. Hunting is conservation. Oh, a hundred percent, a hundred percent, a hundred percent. That's something that people should really understand.
[:[01:16:53] Increased exponentially. Well,
[:[01:16:58] Seth Flemetis: fucking their brains [01:17:00] out then. It's great. And they're like, no, one's even. Yeah, exactly. It's great. But for deer, they need to make it at least a two point minimum in my, my thought, because now you're going to accomplish the exact same thing you did with the elk, but where the elk has a problem is they're getting Huff rock.
[:[01:17:17] Jeff Nesbitt: was going to
[:[01:17:26] Jeff Nesbitt: would love to hear it because I have some opinions about it that, and I also have done no research other than listening to some people who are 50% crazy.
[:[01:17:34] Seth Flemetis: honestly, I haven't even listened to anybody. This is just my, what I have come up with laying in my bed when I can't sleep. So I think that when they did do the three point minimum, that was great. Yes. The population exploded and I mean, they exploded. There is shitloads elk right now, but there's too many, there's too many cows.
[:[01:18:19] Well, and then that herd gets a little bit of Huff fraught starting to run through it. Well, now you have, this herd has 75. This herd over here has 75 and now they're crossing paths and walking the same ground. So there's your Huff route starting to spread. And now you just have too damn many cows. So what I personally think is we need to start letting out more cow permits in certain areas where they have a shitload elk and start knocking the cow population down and maybe not shoot bulls that year, you know, and get them back in balance.
[:[01:19:14] They're horrible, dude. So I, and which direction, way more dose way, way, way more dose. And my permit, I buy a Wilson Creek permit. It's the Weyerhaeuser peel. No. That's the one I buy and you go up there and I mean, the deer are thick as Felice. They're just crazy. But I've went up there. No shit. One day seen 55 deer.
[:[01:19:40] Jeff Nesbitt: That seems to happen to me every time.
[:[01:19:55] Jeff Nesbitt: Exactly. So, okay. I've seen elk herds that were several hundred [01:20:00] animals. Oh yeah. Why is it that, that we can't have that? If, why, why are we reaching? What's the limit of too many. Yeah. What causes too many?
[:[01:20:24] I know exactly where they should be every single month, what time of month, where they should be, you know,
[:[01:20:32] Seth Flemetis: herd. Exactly what, with the exception hunting season. So they will get pushed around a lot in hunting season. They'll go, they'll break their everything. I mean, I I've literally had it where I know where these five herds of elk are and I've known where these five herds elk are for the last five.
[:[01:20:52] Jeff Nesbitt: Exactly. Somebody basically they're
[:[01:21:11] That's when they start getting sick, because they don't have the nutrients to keep themselves healthy. That's when the predators really start picking away at that herd, because again, they're unhealthy, they don't have enough food, they don't have enough protein. They don't have this. They don't have that
[:[01:21:25] And you're, you're in like the foothills where there's just these big, expansive valleys with tons of food, you can get a much larger herd because the carrying capacity of the land is going to support it. Whereas here, our, our, our pastors are pastors, but our, you know, our valleys are smaller. Yeah. Yeah.
[:[01:21:44] Seth Flemetis: separated. And we have, and we have a big timber. So under that big timber, you're not going to see a lot of undergrowth and you know, you're not going to see the nice, super nice grass that you see in the Rockies that it's everywhere. So the
[:[01:21:59] Seth Flemetis: hundred percent. [01:22:00] Yep.
[:[01:22:08] Jeff Nesbitt: farm. Yeah. Why did he get so much disease in a fish farm?
[:[01:22:13] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. That's COVID yeah, you're right. You're right. It's nature. Damn that I wish you would.
[:[01:22:41] And that's where, like, now I'm going to go on a COVID. It's fine. We haven't done that yet, but uh, about to 10 COVID tests yesterday. No shit. I never had to worry about it again. I had it, so I didn't have it. My kids had it. I thought I had it. I tested three times. Never got a positive test. I got 90 days of [01:23:00] immunity.
[:[01:23:22] We live in the fucking woods. So we don't see people. We have a job where we don't see people. Like I don't, I see Seth once a day and then I don't see anyone else until I see my family at that.
[:[01:23:33] Jeff Nesbitt: I mean, if that's, if you see me that day, I mean, we could go a week and never see each other. Yeah. We're both out in the woods or at bay or on the roads alone.
[:[01:24:08] Okay. I mean, I get it. It's going to happen. It's inevitable. I mean, you just, you come to terms with it. I guess you could say we're all going to do it. Exactly. And that's the thing is if I'm happy, I'm okay to die because I died. Happy. That's all I care. I want to die. Happy if I'm happy in my life. I honestly, right now I can duck.
[:[01:24:53] Oh, that'd be good. Exactly how many that would be like or right after. Right, exactly. When you're all spawned out. [01:25:00] Yeah. Only locals use that expression. He's just laying there like a spawned out salmon. Fuck. That's so gross. But it's so fitting. It makes perfect sense. Well, it does, but I mean that, that's why I try to stay so positive because I know eventually it's coming and that's why that's COVID has made me so much more of a positive person because I know there's that chance.
[:[01:25:44] No. And, and honestly like mentally challenged people, that is a blessing. They get, they are always happy. Not all of them. No, no. I have yet to meet one. That's just not fucking tickled pink to meet me. I have really, but you're right though. Most of the time [01:26:00] they're just happier. Nailed to be breathing air. I mean, and that's, I looked at Matthew when COVID hit, because I mean, you see so many people going down in the dumps and they're just, oh my God, the world's over this and that blah, blah, blah, Matthew, which is my little brother that has the, uh, uh, brain damage.
[:[01:26:34] He's truly present. And you're thinking about all the things that could fuck up that could happen. I'm borrowing trouble. Yeah, exactly. And Matthew's just going, fuck, it's a nice day. Big Kuma just being great, which is my dog. And she's, he's like, she's being such a good pup today and holy shit, you know, someone drove by and there waived me and he's just so happy.
[:[01:27:16] Every single time. I don't give a shit. If you've fucking cut your arm off, guess what you learned, how to not do it to your other arm. And you got a good story. Exactly. You know, I mean, there's something positive out of every, that's such a bright philosophy. I love that. I try to do that too. It's hard. It really is hard, extremely hard.
[:[01:27:51] No, not even a little bit of his bad attitude. And the best part about Matthew is he's the most. Honest person I've ever met in my life. He will literally look at you [01:28:00] and be like, what the fuck is your problem? It's like, okay, nothing. Yeah. That's good. Yeah. And I mean, he just, he's opened my eyes to so many more opportunities of just like being happy.
[:[01:28:37] Exactly. Like, I guess we gotta do something else. Exactly. And so, I mean, everything changes and that's when Matt got ahold of me and he was like, Hey, you know, I want to go do some winter time Spartina surveys. He goes, but I'm probably only going to be able to give you 24 hours to notice. I was like, fuck, that works great.
[:[01:29:10] And like, I'm, I'm always doing that. I'm like, I'm the type of guy who was like, I'm going to come to you that way. I don't have to wait. I hate waiting. Oh God, I don't know how to do it. I fucking hate waiting. That's why I can't do a normal job. I can't hurry up and wait. It's just, God, I hate that. It's miserable.
[:[01:29:48] Yeah. Okay. I'm going to stress myself to unbelievable amounts. Like I am going to almost puke. I'm so stressed, but I promise that motherfucker will run tomorrow and you kind of like it [01:30:00] a little bit. I love it. I love it. You kind of get off on that energy and feed off of it, you know? And I, I hate stressing out cause it makes me sick and it does, it'll make me sick for a week and it will.
[:[01:30:32] It's got two and a half inch long travel all the way around. It's this it's that. But when you buy something not heavily high-performance that comes with a, for one, a big bill. And for two, a lot of maintenance because I built a truck or, well, I didn't build it. My buddy built it. I bought it off him. He needed money, but, uh, I bought a truck that's heavily built specifically to jump it.
[:[01:31:21] It's fucking weird. Does it land front end for whole every time? That sounds not every single fucking time. Don't like the sound custom. Well, I helped him build it and we custom built the front bumper specific. To hit ground. Okay, dude, just fucking plow ground after a jump. I mean, that was the reason we built that.
[:[01:32:07] Cool. Yeah. So, I mean, and then we built it, he gave it, so it's an actual bumper dude. You could straight up run into a tree with this son of a bitch and it won't even, it, it will push the fucking tree over before it dents this truck. No crumple zones, nothing. And it is fucking built. And I mean the eight arms are all curl Molly.
[:[01:32:47] You drive a truck like that everywhere. Oh, you take this road, Ritz road legal. Oh yeah. 150 jump a truck like that anywhere, anywhere you want anywhere. Rock pits. I mean, you go and that's the thing about it and this is the crazy [01:33:00] part. So when I was 17, I bought a 94. And I built the shit out of it. I love building stuff to the point where I'm very hard on shit.
[:[01:33:32] Wow. Yeah. My buddies would call me and be like, Hey, we're going to go on a four Wheeler ride. We're going to go hit this trail district on this jail. I'd be like, oh, right on sweet. I'll take truck. And they're like, oh, okay. Right. I went everywhere. That was fucking four wheelers did everywhere, but I broke, hit on everything.
[:[01:34:13] It was a really fun truck, but I rolled it and then I sold it to my buddy and he rolled it. I have a roll cage in it. No. Oh fuck. No, we put three cabs on it and a couple of beds. And so it's a Frankenstein, 100% dude. It was like four different colors, but it was funny and shit, dude, that's so much fun as a kid.
[:[01:34:50] It's great. But when you're a teenager, it's particularly special. It's very freeing. The first time you're out there driving by yourself without an adult in the car. [01:35:00] Oh God. It's like, I've never been so happy at that time. I experienced that one the first time at 12 years old me to actually it was fucking awesome.
[:[01:35:28] It's it's a cool spot. Great Cubana. Um, back then they had a thing called the, our burger, which was my, that was my jam. It was like a bacon cheeseburger with Hammond egg on it. It's like a breakfast and lunch, so good. Anyway, he, he would go out and party there at night. Uh, When we thought he was working and he lets his car there and it was an older car.
[:[01:36:12] And I knew how to drive, but not, I didn't know the laws of the road. I knew how to operate a vehicle, but I did not know how to legally operate a vehicle. So I was terrified, but it's not like I'm going to tell him that or even let him see that I'm nervous if he senses any kind of nerves. He's like, I'm back to the confidence thing.
[:[01:36:47] And a Corvette comes to turn onto the road that I'm stopped at. And I was anticipating it going by me. So it was going thinking it was going to be going faster. And so as it. [01:37:00] Like right in front of me, I just remember the shit and the co like, you know how the pedal feels so different when it's a new car, it was just like the Corvette punched it also and got around me and I didn't hit it.
[:[01:37:28] Yeah, we can go in the house if you need to use a toilet. But if you just got a piss, we'll just go outside. Yeah. That were extremely positive. Yeah. Perfect. All right. Yeah, go ahead. This is it's fun, huh?
[:[01:38:05] I really, really liked the way it feels to make things and I don't have any skills, so it becomes very difficult starting to get a lot of them know I'm trying to acquire something. Yeah. It it's. I was always so jealous of those people who could just sing or who could just dude. Anything, anything you just shoot a fucking basketball, throw a football, dry, draw a picture.
[:[01:38:50] He's my Mexican friend. I call him a Mexican buddy. He's very whitewashed. He's H he is like, he's my best, bud. I mean, in all reality, that's, [01:39:00] that's like my brother, I look at him as my brother. The reason, you know, we're not brothers is we're different colors and that's just all it boils down to. But I love the kid to death.
[:[01:39:28] They'll set you up. I can't go the weekend. He chose to go. So I was like, I called him. I actually called him. And I was like, Hey, I told them who I was. They know me. It's where I buy all my bows. It's where I do all my business. They've set me. Because I make all my own arrows. I, I have my own bow press. Now I do all my own work on my bow myself.
[:[01:40:10] I mean, it's, I get satisfaction working on that shit. And if I can build my own arrows and if I can put my own strings on my bow and I can do everything to my bow. Well, I'm the reason I'm successful. Yeah. You know, I mean, that's my satisfaction. So he was like, yeah, he goes, I think I want a bow hunt. I want to be able to shoot a DOE.
[:[01:40:54] And I really, I really liked him. No, man. There's a lot of. [01:41:00] Um, you got to really look past that and then they don't quit on it. And you're like, I want to double down, like, I thought you were cool. And you're like, dude, come on, get with the times, like we can't be saying that she didn't even want her, you know, dude, a lot of the time they're not even really racist.
[:[01:41:34] You don't say. Yup. And everybody has to deal with it on set of words. They shouldn't say a hundred percent and it doesn't mean you can't. It just means holy shit. It, you have no reason. Yeah, exactly. And it comes down to respect. I mean, respect in my life is everything. All right. It's important. I show respect because I want respect.
[:[01:42:16] That I didn't realize, but that's one of them, for sure. Just like I say this all the time to my family, if you're nice to me, I will be nice to you. Oh, definitely. I, I, it's almost to a fault. Yeah. Somebody who's a real piece of shit. Who's like, yeah. When you're out doing what you do and someone walks up to you and it's like, oh, you motherfucker, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
[:[01:42:51] That's good. But on the flip side of that though, when somebody who is doing something wrong, like somebody who maybe breaking the law or, or taking [01:43:00] advantage of even of me, and then they're nice about it, I'm just like, oh fine. Yeah. Get out of here. Yeah, exactly. I can't stay mad at it. Yeah. No, me too short.
[:[01:43:29] They don't have money. They don't have this. They don't have that. This is what they know how to do. If you go shoot a deer and you're feeding your family and especially if it's a dope, you go shoot one in the, in the right time. I mean, because like you go shoot one. Now they're going to have. I mean, you don't want to do it now, but if you who's, you don't want to do it at all, but no, you don't want to do it at all.
[:[01:44:09] And so you never fucking seen me. That's the good game warden. Yeah, but I couldn't do it because they can't do that. I mean, you get fired. Exactly. Exactly. I wouldn't have a job right now because I promise you, I would have already done that. It happens a lot. It does. And honestly, I know people that way and I hate poachers, hate him with a passion, but if you need food, you need food.
[:[01:44:53] How does anybody, right. That's you're doing what our ancestors did. That's where things get real slippery. Real fast. [01:45:00] Exactly. That's why you can't be. Somebody has to be in charge. Exactly. We're like, I know we're adults here, but somebody's got to be the one who is enforcing the rules and then it turns into it.
[:[01:45:26] You know? Cause there's too many people that lie. What's this goat thing. Yeah. Oh, it it's an old joke from my dad that, uh, there was an old dude, his name. It was a news bomb actually. And he cut wood for years and years and years up on Wirehouser land. And we never knew how he got away with it. But dad just said he had a picture with the dude with a goat.
[:[01:46:13] So my family, mom and dad's side both have never had a successful or really. Ever, none of them, mom, my mom and dad they're split. Now. My mom had her marriage before my dad and they got divorced. My grandma and grandpa they're together. They've been together for Jesus, like 50 some years, but they aren't even close to fucking happy.
[:[01:46:56] Not even close to happy. So do you
[:[01:46:58] Jeff Nesbitt: anybody who [01:47:00] is married and happy? Other than me? Maybe ed? Yeah. Ed. It's hard, man. It's fucking hard. Yeah. It's really hard. Yeah. And honest to God. That's why I don't care to ever get a girlfriend. I mean, I don't, I I'm single right now. I'm happy to be single. I like to go fishing.
[:[01:47:38] You're just going to want companion chill. I agree. 100%. I agree. And the last girlfriend I had, we were together for five years and. The weird one was, we were together for five years, but I knew I wasn't going to marry her, but I couldn't get away from her. You also can't admit to her that you know that exactly.
[:[01:48:15] Yeah. And I mean, honestly I loved her to death. I did I'd do anything for her. Probably honest to God to this day. I still would. But every time I went hunting, every time I went fishing, I knew I was going to be in trouble. When I go home. I was just talking about that. I just, I knew I was gonna get in trouble when I got she.
[:[01:48:52] And I ride dirt bikes a lot. And that was honest. That was the reason we broke up because I got back into it. I used to. [01:49:00] Until I broke my back. And so I got out of it. Cause I didn't want to like paralyze myself. Yeah. No one wants to do that. No. And I went to four wheels after that, come to find out they chase you.
[:[01:49:25] Yeah. I'm not like everybody else mentioned normies. Yeah. I'm not going to do that no way. No, my, my fucking best friend owns a full-blown MX track. Yeah. You got a ride going to ride. I wrote when I was a kid and it is a fucking blast. Oh it's so I haven't done it as an adult. Uh, shit, dude, you should come with me.
[:[01:50:00] Yeah. So that's like, I mean, he might as well be my fucking brother. I've worked there since I could walk the Buffalo front out there on, yeah. There's one out there. Yeah. At the very end. But the, the motor cross tracks at the very beginning. Yeah. Yeah. He came out and yelled at me one time. Bob, tell him, shut the fuck up.
[:[01:50:34] Like we've gotten heated, but we respect each other. So it's whatever, but those great debates, heated debates with people, you respect Jimmy Christmas, dude, we have gotten into it about it and how shit gets resolved at a hundred percent. And guess what? I sprayed his fucking scotch broom the next day. Oh yeah.
[:[01:51:13] Yeah. Yeah. At a certain point, though, you have to balance benefits with, with risk and people are, they're taking on way more risk than they're aware of in their daily, in their day-to-day lives. Just by like going outside. Yes. Going outside the sun full of harmful radiation of the food system that we are, most of us are a part of is full of harmful chemicals.
[:[01:51:40] This county's huge. Yeah. It starts, you start to feel like you're always driving. Yeah. Always dude here. I mean, she gets from one to get from the tip of long beach to Tokelauan Dan and that's from one tip to the other. I mean it's two miles apart. Exactly. That's the crazy part. I wish we could just run boats everywhere we went.
[:[01:52:24] Yeah, you're right. I wonder in gas, how much different it is. Those boats really eat up the gas, but that small block really don't really, it's not that bad, but we need an engine and things got a lot of hours on it. exactly. And I mean, I drained the oil in it the other day when you were up there and we're going to need an engine pretty black and no, it's not even it's shiny. Yeah. Oh no. Yeah. It's probably main bearings would be my guess. And that's not good. Yeah. I don't know enough about engines to know what's going on, but when you see metal shavings in the oil as bad, horrible, I mean, that could be [01:53:00] anything, anything, but I was talking to ed about that today and I was like, and he goes, do you think you could milk it another season?
[:[01:53:28] So, so I have a very good mechanical background. And when you see shit like that and the oil, yeah. You might have another thousand hours or you might have an hour. Yeah. I mean, it's a bearing at that point and it's a boat. Yeah. You just don't know. You don't want to really risk it with a boat. No, not really, but we're probably gonna yeah.
[:[01:54:12] And I think, I truly think the green crabs is going to be the next part, tighter. The people in the leadership positions handle it, of course. But I don't know that that's going to happen. I didn't happen with japonica and it didn't happen with shrimp. I can talk a lot of shit about Debbie DFW on that one.
[:[01:54:49] I've been in that position. When you're you have 10 projects already going and then somebody presents this new thing to you. It's kind of in your wheelhouse kind of not you're like I could, or I couldn't, [01:55:00] it's so easy just to not. Yeah, because you can justify it, like I'm already doing this and this and this.
[:[01:55:29] And he's like, yeah, but I don't want to do those anymore. And that was where, that was what I needed. I mean, now that was what we needed and is the sole reason why? I mean, I wasn't full time. So I mean, really I had no say in it, but you did actually, you, ed was training you for this job before real estate, before I even knew it.
[:[01:56:14] You're you know, until you make your own fucking show, you guys to keep talking. Yeah. Yeah. Well then will you grab me another one too? Um, what was I gonna say? Oh yeah. I like bullshit. If you can't tell I'll sit here and move we'll rack that time up. Yeah. That's yes, this will be a good one. But back to ed, he, speaking of which he was scheduled for podcasts this week, but we had, and he said he didn't do it.
[:[01:57:02] And that's the reason, so youthful a hundred percent. And honestly, I respect the hell out of that. I'm trying to take notes. Yes. I told him that today I go, dude, I go, you and my grandma, I go, my grandma's the exact same age as you and you both are kicking, like there's no, tomorrow. I was like, dude, tell me what you do.
[:[01:57:43] May have good fats, everything well. And honestly it's ever since I met ed and he told me like how he eats bugs, blowing up. Um, I hear, uh, could also be my dog. I got my color. Oh, she'll be fine. That's my dog. Uh, but anyway, [01:58:00] I've, I've listened to what ed eats and now I eat a salad every single day. Don't you feel better?
[:[01:58:25] And I was like, holy shit, this works. You don't have the microbiome in your gut to process it. At first, those bacteria actually come in on the food and then the next time you have a salad they're already there. And so you're not, I just started feeling better. And then I was more awake and then I was more energetic.
[:[01:59:06] And I keep doing this. It's amazing. And the longer you do it, the better it feels. And then you can add in new stuff for, you know, I was like, shit. Yeah. And that's spar Tyna. I mean, I love doing Spartina because we go out there and we put 10 to 12 miles in a day walking. I mean, and yeah, it was so good that night.
[:[01:59:42] It's up to your armpits. It's hard. Exactly. It's never easy. Anybody can do it now. I mean, it is definitely, you have to be self-disciplined to do this job, especially to the point now where there's not much Spartina around, it's become such a mental game. Exactly. And you have to be [02:00:00] able to keep yourself in that game.
[:[02:00:25] Get her ass back out there and wing bang. Boom. We're back into spar. Tyna and you're just so much sharper. Exactly. Come back from a 20 minute breather. Oh my God. It's like a whole new day. And that's what I tell everybody that works with me. It's like we get like four or five miles from the boat and we look back and I mean, we're Burt just, we haven't found shit.
[:[02:01:05] I noticed that too. And I always wonder if it's like, did we just miss a few early burned out? Yeah. And it usually is exactly. Cause when we start that second pass, it's like, holy shit. I walked right past this first time. You know? And the way I like to do it is we walk a certain way first pass and then we do it backwards.
[:[02:01:40] And now you just found four more plants that you literally walked right over. Yeah. Fast. And you have to override your impulse to ignore certain areas that you've walked in previous years and a hundred percent, because otherwise you're just like, oh, I know there's none over there on fire. I'm not walking.
[:[02:02:21] It's so easy to get bitter at worship when you're getting paid for something it suddenly becomes and there's research to back this up, it suddenly becomes very difficult to enjoy it for just for the sake of enjoyment. Like they, they do studies where they'll like ask people if they enjoy crossword puzzles and the people who say yes, I love crossword puzzles.
[:[02:02:56] And the explanation for that, at least that the [02:03:00] researchers thought is that the people who were not paid have to resolve that state of cognitive dissonance where it's like, there's a disconnect. What you believe is right. And how you live your life. And like your principles was like, I'm not going to do something that I don't enjoy for free, because that would be, I'm letting someone take advantage of me or whatever, it's our ego or whatever it is.
[:[02:03:37] I mean, my happiest place again is just being on the water, being close to the water. And I mean, that's where I work. Yeah. Like Willapa bay specifically is my favorite point on this planet. Right? There are no better places. No, I agree. If I can, I could literally go and sit in a boat. That's broke down in the middle of the bay and be the [02:04:00] happiest I've ever been in my life.
[:[02:04:19] Not slide across sand. Nothing. Nothing. No nothing at all. Not even a little bit. No, no, they hates, I stopped so fast. Oh shit. Yeah. You can do be doing 40 miles an hour and come to an abrupt stop. Yeah. Yeah. And oh, and so if you've never driven an airboat, which obviously most of you have, but they go on. Oh, as long as it's wet, it has to be wet, but has to be sand, no go, no two inches of water.
[:[02:05:02] It's all forgiven. No. Yeah. I'll forgive him. I watched that airboat run over a man, my legs, but he was, his head was out, but it got his whole legs and, um, he was fine. He got back in the boat and he's a little money. Well, I forgot that guy's name he's from the south, but the crazy part is like, especially come airboats and shit.
[:[02:05:43] So there's no reverse. So if you decide to try something, yeah. There's no brakes breaks. You want to try something, you better be sure you can get through it and you better have a lot of open space. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, and I mean, people ask me daily. Well, you can, [02:06:00] you can just go anywhere you want. Why don't, why don't you take it here?
[:[02:06:20] I'll bet though, because they have rubber in it. I'll bet it be you're right for dragging. The rubber would not work. You're right. I'll bet. It'd be dragging field turf. AstroTurf has no rubber AstroTurf is like carpet over field dirt. They don't make AstroTurf anymore, but a field turf, for sure. Yeah. It's got that rubber in it.
[:[02:06:54] Yes. Yeah. A hundred percent. That is such a good feeling. Yeah. That's what I was picturing when I was [02:07:00] thinking about that was air boating, because that's, that's like one of the only things that I can do, like that that's actually a skilled thing that is fun that I can do without thinking I can't shoot a fucking basketball.
[:[02:07:30] I agree. A lot of people argue with me, but you go up a hill climb and you don't make it that far Wheeler is going to chase you down. Yeah. It's going to roll out on a dirt bike. Won't chase you down. I'll just lay over and take a nap. Exactly. Wait for you to pick it up. Exactly. And that's I love hill climbs.
[:[02:08:07] It's true. Yeah. You're if you ride long enough, you will crash. You will break bones. I mean, I've broke my back in two places. I broke my neck in two places. I broke both collar bones. I broke both legs. I broke both arms. I broke four fucking ribs. I mean, I broke all sorts of shit. Yeah. But that comes with the price of now.
[:[02:08:46] Nothing could hurt me nothing until I broke my neck. And then I was pretty fucked. That's a doozy. I was fucked. Uh, it was six weeks of very minimal moving. [02:09:00] And honestly, I didn't, I never went to a doctor, so I didn't, I didn't know why. I mean, I had no idea why, but that's why I have headaches all the time.
[:[02:09:31] I went to a chiropractor because I literally could. Not which doctor? Yeah. I couldn't walk for about a week. Oh, damn. Yeah. I literally just couldn't get out of bed and I was still in high school and I was like, this is not right. Like there was a dirt bike accident. Yeah. And I know actually it's for accidents.
[:[02:10:10] I mean, and it was fucking bill. So I was probably doing every bit at night. And I come around the corner and head on to the four Wheeler. Oh God. I went 135 feet through the air before I touched the crown. Oh shit. And I landed right on my neck. Ah. Yeah. And then I jumped up. I was knocked out. As soon as I hit the ground, boom knocked out cold.
[:[02:10:49] I can't get out of bed. Oh, this is a year later. Yeah. Yeah. And I just went, what the hell? I can't get out of bed. Like, like I knew I was moving my body parts, [02:11:00] but there was that kind of numb. It was weird nerve problems. It was just weird. And I was like, what the hell? And I had shooting pain. Every time it moved my arm, I had shooting pains going down my back.
[:[02:11:31] Oh, he's a chiropractor. Yeah. You should go to Bob. I'll check him out. Fucking amazing. He's right across from the Chevron. The Chevron. Oh, the C the one I'm talking about is off of commercial and Raymond. Yeah. Yeah. They're in the city of area, but so where the Chevron is, he's literally right across the street, like mobile home looking place and he's fucking amazing.
[:[02:12:11] It's like, yeah, that makes perfect sense. It did seem like it hurt. Yeah. Pretty bad. Yeah. It was like, huh. And he goes, what do you do? And so I told him and he goes, oh shit. And he goes, yeah. Okay. That makes sense. And uh, well, anyway, he got me all corrected and everything. And then about a year later, it all just, I literally woke up one day and it was back.
[:[02:12:50] I was like, Hey, is your dad working? And he goes, yeah. He goes, give him a call. And so I called him and, uh, Nathan's wife actually came and fucking helped me out of bed. And it was, yeah, it was bad. And I [02:13:00] went to him, I went to him for six weeks straight. Never had a problem sets. Wow. Yeah. How long were. Uh, 10 minutes here.
[:[02:13:23] Fuck it. And honest to God, like I have back pains here and there and I have neck pains here and there, but I move around. Fine. I get around fine. And they're really only in the morning now, 24, 24. It's just getting started. Yeah. Yeah. And that's like my knees and shit. Like, I mean, I wouldn't, you rec you learn how to rack, right?
[:[02:14:01] And then I wake up and I just get out of bed and I stretch and I go, fuck, this is gonna hurt in five years. You ever do yoga? No, dude. You should do it now. You'll hate it. Yeah. I hate yoga. I've been I'm about as limbers to, or do some yoga, man. You will like you'll, you'll love. Hate it. Yeah. Cause it's not fun.
[:[02:14:45] It's really, really hard. And I've done some very hard athletic shit and I'm yoga still. Every single time I do it. I'm like, fuck yoga. It's getting hard. I don't like it. It's too hard. And I like, but then you feel great [02:15:00] afterwards. It's very, it's really, it's very good stuff. The thing, I think that is the best about it though.
[:[02:15:21] Yeah. Yeah. Oh man. I've been playing this boxing game on VR. Jesus Christ. That shit is exhausting. Right. I can do like three rounds and I'm just drenched in sweat. It's horrible. But it's so much fun, so much fun. It's cool. You have to learn how to block. You have to learn how to strike and um, it's fun. Oh, kick in the ass.
[:[02:16:05] And that is a hard concept to like realize, and it, I mean, you can just throw punches in the air and if you step with the opposite foot, you can literally feel the difference where if you step with the same foot, you can feel all that weight transfer. Cause you can crack the whip. Yeah, exactly. But I mean, if you think.
[:[02:16:45] I've had mine for your life at that point. Fuck dude. I've had MMA training and shit. Just ground training. I've never had like actual fucking full-blown MMA training, but I've had, I know a lot of guys that have done it. And so they've taught me ground stuff. You [02:17:00] get me to the ground. That's where I shine.
[:[02:17:18] Oh yeah. A hundred percent. Definitely a loser. But I don't think there's really a winner probably if it goes into the ground, cause you're going to get hit. I mean, if it goes to the ground, you suck it up. Cause you're going to get fucking nailed getting your ass beat when you're being held down, it's a bad feeling goddess so real bad.
[:[02:17:57] I woke up the next morning and my whole [02:18:00] face was swollen. My fucking shoulders were bruised. You know, the guy before? No. Okay. Those are the best ones. Right? I still don't know him to this day. I couldn't tell you his name, beat the fuck out of him, but at somebody that you know, actually, well, maybe a you liked them before.
[:[02:18:33] That's dudes. That's not girls. No, not even a little bit. They'll hold grudges, but they don't fist fight. They do. That's why guys get so excited when girls actually fight, they literally were bet not seen girls fight and it's like, fuck me. Pull the money out. Like we're betting right now. I see it's a tough girl.
[:[02:19:24] Like we're all sitting around like there's fucking money just flying around the table. We're betting on, who's gonna win this and that. And I was like, well, fuck, I can promise you. Jamie's going to win. She grew up with two boys that were both older than her. I promise you, she's going to wish she just fucking cleaned house.
[:[02:20:02] And he built this. Built this water slide. Oh, cool. And wait right into the willpower river. And I mean, it's probably 40 fetus slide. Wow. And there's no sides. Oh man. Nothing, man. I mean, he has a full blown waiver. You signed this. If you're going to go down it, no one goes down this, unless you sign this, what do you make it out of?
[:[02:20:42] She goes, oh, hell yeah, I'll go down and just write down it. He got that shit never works out for me. No, no. I would have fucking hit the bridge. I would have hit the ground. Oh yeah. No, I'm not, I'm not jump off stuff, guy. I mean, I respect the people that are, I love those people. That's who I want to hang out with.
[:[02:21:16] If you get too many of those people with you when it gets dangerous, that's when it gets dangerous. That's when I break bones. Cause they talked me into shit. Yeah. That's when I break bones. But see, I used to be that person, like on a four Wheeler and a dirt bag, I was that person. I was that person where it'd be like, we'd be at sand dunes and they'd be like, oh man, that looks like a huge ass triple we'll find out if it's a triple, you know, fuck case the shit out of it.
[:[02:22:00] That'd be so much fun because you get it at that point. You can go anywhere. Yeah. Anywhere. I mean, you got a little bit of ice on the road. Fuck. You could run the roads. You could easily no pro. Absolutely. But it was banked on the staff and everything was like perfect trial. It's a track that point we'd probably get in trouble guaranteed, guaranteed.
[:[02:22:38] Yeah, more people who hate it, the more people will talk about you're a hundred percent correct. And that's the thing that's that's where like all these haters, like people talk shit about them and they don't, they're like, don't hate on me. Don't hate on me, dude. That's how you get your publicity. Like it really is.
[:[02:23:09] I don't like hurting people's feelings or making people feel stupid. Uh, and so I don't want to try to blow anything out of it. Like you could click bait so easily. Clickbait is not hard. No, but it's really hard. It's hard not to do it actually. CSO there. There's where we're different. I love to piss people off.
[:[02:23:44] And you know, that's a risk you gotta take. And there are those people. I'm not that person. Somebody could fuck me over and I will do my very best to forgive them. My flesh. That's where we'll want to get some revenge, but I try so [02:24:00] hard to not see. And I'm that person where I absolutely will not fuck someone.
[:[02:24:26] That's fine. Okay. I don't care. Shout outs. That's grandpa. Yeah. I've told him that plenty. Derek tried to do business. No shit. Don't do it. Jello do it. But that'd be funny if your grandpa actually was a listener of my podcast, I wouldn't matter. He wouldn't be, but, and you know, I'd get a call and he'd be like, seriously, and I'd be like what I told the truth and he'd be like, okay.
[:[02:25:14] And it goes back to Matthew. I mean that, that's what he's taught me. You can get positive out of everything you can, but you have to have an open mind. You can't come into something. Like if I would, as if I was to come into this podcast today going, oh, this is going to be dumb. You know, it would have been a shitty podcast.
[:[02:25:47] You're a hundred percent. Right. And that's where people need to start thinking for themselves. You know what I mean? They do. I, I completely recognize that in you, that you are somebody who stands up for what [02:26:00] you believe in and you have very, very specific, um, beliefs and things, but you're not stubborn about like you're flexible.
[:[02:26:28] I couldn't tell you if I'm a Democrat. Or a Republican, because I agree with shit on both sides. I truly do. Like, I would say that I'm neutral. I'm somewhere in the middle because there is some really good points on the democratic side. And there's some really good points on the Republican side. And then there is some really shitty points on the democratic side and there's some really shitty points on the Republican side, I mean, and where we've just gotten too separated.
[:[02:27:20] Exactly. And I mean, that's just all there is to it and you'll never get those because they want nothing to do with it. They were politicians. People would tear them apart. Exactly. Cause they're like centrist and they don't want that. You know, they don't. And there's, there's also, do you have any people that care about what other people think?
[:[02:27:59] Completely [02:28:00] forget what you did. As a person you need to love yourself. You do. Yeah. I mean your self first. Yeah. It has to be that. And that, that goes to your job. That goes to your day to day life. That goes to everything. Because if you don't love your job, I mean, you spend what, 80% of your life at your job, and then the other 80 sleeping, you cannot, you're going to die miserable.
[:[02:28:41] I mean, and that was, I went to school, uh, dedicated four years of my life to mechanical. Did you plan on being a mechanic forever? What you were doing that did? I did. It'd be good. A good career. No, I didn't. I guess, no, I didn't. When I first started college, I didn't want to go to college. The only [02:29:00] reason I went to college is because my mom and my grandma told me I could come out of college with no debt.
[:[02:29:30] That's so cool. Yeah. I'm not going to piss this away. So I decided to go to mechanic because my uncle owned a logging company and I was like, well, this is, you know, I can go work for him, whatever, blah, blah, blah. And that's exactly what happened. I went to school for four years. I designated myself specifically to this subject for four years minus the summers because I was working for you guys.
[:[02:30:17] I love the satisfaction of it. I do want though, if you're getting paid and that's what you have to do. And that's the thing when I have to do it every single day of my life, and I have to diagnose these machines that aren't mine. I have to diagnose all this shit that really, I don't give a fuck. You get to do the worst part of the projects and everyone else gets to do the fun part.
[:[02:30:54] I worked for you guys at summer. And then as soon as that quit, I rolled right into working for my [02:31:00] uncle. And it was great because he fed me to the wolves. I mean, that's the shit I need. I just need to be thrown to the fucking wolves up and figure it out myself. I will figure it out. Eventually it might take me longer than most.
[:[02:31:28] It might take years. It might. And you might never figure it out. Exactly. But I'm going to work. I will figure it out. You know, I'm going to have that mindset of, yes, it might take 10 years. I will figure this out, you know? But, um, what I mean by that is like, in, in, when you're looking to the future and you're looking at this problem, you have to be willing to grind until you figure it out.
[:[02:32:08] Exactly, exactly. And honestly like when ed texted me and goes, Hey, you're going to take your test to this. And this day you better start fucking study. And you're going to take my job over dude. Honestly, I'll never forget that bit like that. I was so excited that day. I, I even went and told my uncle, which was my boss.
[:[02:32:48] It's any deal. And he literally, this was what made me a hundred percent. I'm going to do this job. He looked at me and he goes, you're passionate, chase your [02:33:00] fucking dreams. What a guy? Yeah, that's the right fucking answer. And my uncle is like, he's very selfish. He's very, this he's very that human he's human.
[:[02:33:32] And then before you know it, you get an opportunity and it falls right in your lap and it does. And then you realize like, oh, people want me for this. Like I I've made an impact. I actually realized the ed looked at me more than just a word. Dude. I damn near cried. Like, I mean, now it was so emotional for me that it was like, this guy that's been doing it for fuck how many years?
[:[02:34:18] I did something on its own. I did a hundred percent. I did for sure. That's a skill I do not have. And I did. I sold myself short. I didn't, I honestly didn't think I could do this job when ed texted me and told me, Hey, you need to go do these clouds or you need to go do these tests and get your license. I was like, eh, there's, there's no way, like, I can't do that.
[:[02:34:58] And, and it [02:35:00] hit me different for like multiple years. We talked about it. No shit before it was actually a thing. I didn't know. See, I didn't know that, but he, I, he called me and he goes, dude, no, you're it. Yeah. And I went. Then I'll do anything I need to do to prove to you that I can do this. And when he basically told me you've already done it, I was like, dude, like it hit me different.
[:[02:35:56] Like I noticed it right away. You're always looking for a way to just be [02:36:00] like, here we are, we're living in the moment and have fun with it, you know? And I mean, and this job that I'm in now is fuck dude. That's what you do. That's what you do. If you live in the moment, you have fun with your life and problems.
[:[02:36:34] And that goes back to the haters. I mean, you're just going to have haters. You got it. You got to roll with the punches on that one. Haters gonna hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, and fuck them. Yeah, that's right. And that's all it boils down to. Um, there's there's a lot more people like us then. Uh, there are the haters haters.
[:[02:37:07] I've done. that was fun. Hell yeah. Let's wrap it up. And you got to come back and do another one. Definitely going to start your own podcast. I'm thinking about it. That'd be great. Yeah, dude. I'll totally get you set up with the cheapest possible set up that you could do to where you could do it. I mean, you can do it in your car.
[:[02:37:39] This is awesome. Let's six months from now. Let's make an appointment for you to come back and do another episode on ramble. Definitely. And I would like to hear about what you've done about your own podcast by that time. Definitely. Nobody, nobody else talks about starting a podcast. I find that very, and honestly, even before this, I've been thinking about this ever since I started [02:38:00] listening to them and I was like, man, that mean people just like to hear you bullshit.
[:[02:38:27] And, uh, I don't need that much music in my life. I mean, hundreds of hours, I listened to 48 hours of scissor. You know, who says I is, I love scissor. As you know, now, 48 hours in a 2020 or 2020, and burnout on that. Fuck. No, I love scissor. No shit. Oh. I just heard a new jam that she did with post Malone. I was like, oh fuck two of my faves.
[:[02:39:09] He sounds, it seems like really. But I just got burnt out and that was when I started listening to the podcasts and it, I mean, everything's all different. Pretty sure. We just entered a new topic that we'll go about 40 minutes music. Yeah, we gotta wrap this thing up next time. Next time. All right. So thank you so much for coming.
[:[02:39:43] Hell yeah. All right. Thank you everybody for listening. Go ahead and like this on Facebook or Instagram or whatever, or don't do what you want. Live your life. Talk to you later. I hope you've enjoyed this episode of ramble by the river. If you did, it really helps us out. If you leave us a rating or a review [02:40:00] like us on Facebook, Instagram, or Twitter, and if you want to get more involved and support the show, you can subscribe to our Patrion page for exclusive content bonus episodes and a ramble by the river.
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