High Rooftops, High Spirits, and High Rollers with David Casper

David Casper

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[00:00:21] Oh, we got a funky one today. I like that. Hm. Hm.

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[00:00:55] So all of that's at rambled by the river. Anyway. [00:01:00] Yeah, I had a great time with that one. It's just me doing a Valentine's day quiz with Melissa. We go through one of those Facebook quizzes it's a good time. We also pulled out an old yearbook and, you know, talk shit about all our friends from high school.

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[00:01:41] Yeah. Which never happens. So that was cool. That actually hasn't happened since I had Alex Mack in here and he helped me edit his episode, the first one, uh, which is interesting because he was mentioned in this episode and I was meaning to call him and ask if it was okay. If we talked about [00:02:00] him, , and use his name and all that.

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[00:02:05] Anyway, doing that podcast was fun by the time it was over. I felt even more in love than when I started. So it was good. I highly recommend you give that a shot if you've never tried it, start a podcast and do an episode of, uh, a survey about your spouse. It's fun unless you don't know your spouse. You know, I don't want to give out advice.

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[00:03:02] and I really liked it. And when I did have Melissa out here I got that same kind of vibe where it's just like a peek behind the. And it's something that a lot of us are doing as well. You know, being in a long-term relationship, especially a committed live in long-term relationship, whether you're married or not.

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[00:03:29] Psychologist or marriage counselor who had like a high nineties success rate on being able to predict whether or not a couple was going to make it. And the way he did that was by watching them communicate. And I think it took him like five minutes. And if you watched them for five minutes, that seems wrong though.

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[00:03:47] New Jeff: good morning, everybody. This guy's name is John Gottman. John Gottman is a researcher. And he did a lot of research into relationships. His research helped us predict which couples are going to make it. Long-term.

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[00:04:23] Particularly regarding how people communicate. That influences the health of a relationship. The most. Among the important findings is a set of communication habits. Dubbed the four horsemen. John Gottman identified the four horsemen and they are communication habits that increase the likelihood of divorce. According to his research.

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[00:05:01] It's interesting.

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[00:05:23] I don't know, , I've known people who have their own languages, so it it's just open-ended you can communicate so many different ways physically or. You know, verbally, all the, you know, the standard ways you could write a letter if you want. And they're all different. It's different. Every time there's so much nuance to it.

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[00:05:42] I really should just start a whole show. That's just that where it's just couples doing a, uh, couple of survey they come on here and they, they, it be kind of like the, uh, what was that? The dating game? I think the dating.

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[00:06:17] He said, she said an intimate portrait of couples that should probably get to. I don't like that last one as much. I don't want, I don't want to watch that show or listen to that show. Oh, so the episode today is not going to feature a better NOAA bias segment because we're just not going to do it.

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[00:06:47] David is delightful. He's a guy I know from originally kindergarten, I think, I believe, yeah, I believe I met him in kindergarten, so he's one of the Opie urgent. an OPO G and yeah, [00:07:00] I've known him forever. He's a tall, skinny, hilarious man. Now he was a tall, skinny, hilarious kid back in the day. Yeah, he's just a good old time.

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[00:07:23] He told me a story that I was in. I didn't really remember until he started telling me, then it started coming back to me oh, coming back. I'll come back to me. Yeah. That was so long. And now it's all coming to me. And, uh, what else? What else? What else? What else? Oh,

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[00:12:01] And a lot of this stuff is also@rambledbytheriver.com This week, my guest is David Casper. David is a. And not just any roofer, he's a roofer that loves what he does. He gets up every day, excited to climb up on the roof. He's looking down on all of us feeling sorry for us, because we're all just still in bed lounge and about just wasting the day away not David.

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[00:12:51] But it hasn't really worked yet, but it will cause he's the kind of guy who never gives up. When I knew David in high school, he was a total goof who [00:13:00] happened to be kick-ass at sports and never really seemed to have to put much effort into it. He's just naturally kind of a gifted athlete, very fast runner.

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[00:13:25] It's fun. We bounce all over the place. A couple of guys just really leaning into our add. So I hope you enjoy it. I really.

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[00:13:36] You finally got a new car. Oh, it's been years you've wanted a new car for so long. And you finally made it happen. , which was a pain in the ass and it's here and you love your new car. It's everything you dreamed. It would be. It's beautiful. It's shiny. It smells good. It's perfect.

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[00:14:02] And you believe it, you mean this promise you believe it and you truly think that you'll be able to keep it clean.

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[00:14:25] There's 14 sticky sucker sticks. Stuck to the back of your seat.

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[00:14:33] and you tell yourself. You know, as soon as I get a little free time, I'm going to spend the day and just clean this car. It needs it, it deserves it. I love my car. I love my car.

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[00:00:03] David Casper: Oh yeah. Well, um, I mean I have always got stuff going on. Yeah. I just, yeah, I do. Yeah. Well, most of the time I try to at least, you know, side

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[00:00:19] David Casper: Well, so I actually ended up leaving Dr. Ruff. Yeah. I don't, I don't work for doctor hold that thought

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[00:00:26] Let's get us all set up first. Okay. So go ahead and throw those headphones on.

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[00:00:30] Jeff Nesbitt: do you ever record, have you ever

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[00:00:34] Jeff Nesbitt: this.

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[00:00:39] Oh yeah. And that's just a fact. Let's see. Do you have any questions before we get started?

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[00:00:49] Jeff Nesbitt: okay, cool. So we'll record for two hours. Sweet.

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[00:00:55] Jeff Nesbitt: Absolutely. I've I've thought you'd be good at this. I was actually [00:01:00] surprised that I don't even know how long it's been now, but when you reached out, you're like, Hey, I got a buddy.

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[00:01:15] David Casper: Well, and, , it kinda like dipped my toes in the water water too, because, you know, I had wanted to come on to your show and, you know, and kind of just like share some of the things that I've been through, some of the things that I've done and, kind of, you know, help out, maybe it will help out, , somebody around the area.

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[00:01:47] David Casper: level.

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[00:02:02] Jeff Nesbitt: yeah. It's like water.

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[00:02:18] That's not connection. No, I was like, I want to have a real conversation. I want to talk to people, you know, chew up the issues, talk, just be a human. . Anyway, Thanks for coming. It's good to have you here. It's been a while since we've had a chat.

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[00:02:37] David Casper: no now. Oh, I've been, uh, I'm doing construction. Cool. , I was, uh, working for Dr. Roofer a really long time and that was, that was a really great experience.

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[00:03:11] Jeff Nesbitt: cool. Yeah. I see those

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[00:03:13] Yes. They're really, really popular around here in

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[00:03:29] David Casper: Well, I kind of, I want to build a pole barn and, uh, make a house out of it and a shop, you know, so then I could, you know, either choose to manufacture cabinets or, um, you know, do things, you know, that nature.

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[00:03:52] Jeff Nesbitt: weren't grandfathered and your dad didn't do it. Well, no, my dad did. He was

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[00:04:05] We, , Cedar sided one side of the house that had a hot tub next to it and built like a little shed, but you know, nothing like really extensive. I didn't, you know, I saw what he was doing and stuff like that, but he was , he wasn't like really breaking it down because most of the stuff that we would do is be when, you know, during the summer.

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[00:04:26] Jeff Nesbitt: that's kinda what, I mean, like say I was in the same situation. My dad was a body man worked on cars, but he did little construction projects enough for me to learn how to do basic stuff. But still when I went out to try to apply for jobs with that as my background, I didn't feel confident that I was going to be able to convince them, like, look at my experience.

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[00:04:52] David Casper: uh, it's not ringing a bell. He's

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[00:05:13] It would have been different if I was going to apply for a job as a bodyworker. Cause I felt like I've I grew up in that, but, yeah, you have to like prove yourself more . There's barriers to entry in that world, which I'm sure people like Glenn from Dr. Ruth, he probably experienced that getting started and now he's the king of the roof.

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[00:05:34] David Casper: Wow. Yeah, he is, you know, one of, one of my inspirations. I know that a business plan.

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[00:05:47] David Casper: impressive.

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[00:06:06] Yeah, exactly. That's cool. So, um, yeah, I was like really thankful for that for sure. Uh,

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[00:06:18] David Casper: So, , I started out doing metal roofs actually, um, cocking. Yeah, well, not necessarily. It was like a single standing seam.

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[00:06:34] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. So I thought lasts a lot longer than having to put glob of cocking on every screw. They last

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[00:06:46] Jeff Nesbitt: and for the audience, what's compositional, roofing,

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[00:06:55] Jeff Nesbitt: Yes. Yeah. What about torch down? Is that count as compositional?

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[00:07:14] And so then we just prep out the area and then just put a patch over it. Now they have, um, like a PVC type material. And what does that TPL? The TPO is one of them. And then there's also a PVC. They're two different types of, uh, material. How you tell the difference, you know, it's kind of difficult to tell the difference.

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[00:07:44] David Casper: yeah.

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[00:07:49] David Casper: Oh yeah, no, I did a huge job, , down south in Cloverdale.

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[00:08:16] Yeah. I almost, I almost suffered a, uh, a really big injury, which, you know, um, going back one of the difficult reasons to get into a construction, , is it is dangerous. Yeah. You know, there's, you can get seriously

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[00:08:36] David Casper: Oh yeah. You know, I could have died a couple of times, , whether or from, you know, falling or, things of that nature and I'm seeing people fall off the roof, you know, and it's, uh, it's not

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[00:08:51] David Casper: Um, well one, yes. And then the other one, you know? No. Did they

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[00:08:58] Oh yeah. Yeah. It [00:09:00] must've been not, not very tall roof or they fell on some grass. Well, one of those awnings, like above, uh, like a, a little market, I'm pretty sure you can jump off of like an eight story building. If there's one of those awnings, you know, right. In front of a market and you'll just lay it on the awning and you bounce right off.

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[00:09:16] David Casper: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you're anticipating, you know, trash cans, if you're anticipating jumping, you know, you can kind of, plan where you're going to be landing at. But I mean, if you're sliding and, uh, picking up momentum, I mean, it's no, there's no telling where your trajectory might, might take.

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[00:09:32] Jeff Nesbitt: Was that, is that what happened? The guy slid down and slid off? Uh, yeah. That's gotta be so terrifying. The feeling of knowing you're going, you're just like, I'm fucked. I can't, there's nothing to grab. What kind of roof was it?

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[00:09:55] Jeff Nesbitt: 14 feet is not a short drop. No, no, that hurts the ankles. Yeah. That little [00:10:00] sting. Yeah. You might break a leg. They break anything

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[00:10:18] This riff in particular that we were doing was actually a Chris Novaselic um, oh, no shit. Yeah. And so Nirvana, Nirvana, he was the bass player and, uh, yeah, I was like really stoked, you know, that I was able to, do a project for the guy, because you know, I love listening to Nirvana, you know, and, you know, I wasn't like, uh, star struck or anything like that.

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[00:10:58] Jeff Nesbitt: in front of Chris Novoselic

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[00:11:01] Um, uh, Betty found out about it. Yeah. He, oh yeah. Well, he was, he was, he was around, so it was, uh, a morning, you know, around, around this time a year, probably like three years ago. And, uh, I was working on my section of the roof. We're getting ready to like, get finished with this roof.

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[00:11:51] But he had almost landed it, he came down on his feet, but one of his ankles has had twisted and just buckled. [00:12:00] And, and I like, and I was just like, I kinda like ran over him and I was like, oh my God. And yeah, we just like locked eyes. And you know, there was nothing that we could do at that particular moment because the damage had already had been done.

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[00:12:23] Jeff Nesbitt: this pain. Is the bone sticking

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[00:12:44] Jeff Nesbitt: you know, that's probably what caused the break like that absorbing that shock instead of just crumbling.

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[00:12:50] David Casper: Well he had crumbled, but you know, not in the way that, you know, you would to be, you know, not injured body made a new

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[00:12:57] David Casper: dude. It was, it was [00:13:00] pretty, uh, intense. And so. He's like trying to walk it off and, and I'm like, Hey man, you know, we should go to the hospital and he's all like,

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[00:13:10] And he's your boss. Yeah. So it's like you, he's not gonna listen to you. Yeah, exactly. You're the one who clearly is not in shock. Right. So you are the one to listen

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[00:13:28] We need to finish this roof. And all I got left is rich cap, you know? So I'm, I'm putting on my pieces as fast as I can. I'm running, back and forth while he's sitting in the van. And as I'm watching him, he's like just slowly starting to like, you know, change his posture while you're sitting in his, head's like getting a little bit further down and you know, and I it's now.

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[00:14:15] Jeff Nesbitt: not the hospital.

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[00:14:20] David Casper: Yeah. Later on. Well, he had promised me that he would, he would get. So I had dropped him off, but I mean, yeah, my bosses and stuff back at the office, they weren't too happy about that. They were like, you know, you should have took him to the hospital, but I, I had reported it and you know, everything worked out just fine.

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[00:14:36] Jeff Nesbitt: Why is it that men don't want to go to the hospital? Because we're tough. We are very tough. So tough. Hospitals are for wimps, but I feel it when I'm hurt, I really don't want to go. And I, in my mind, it's because of the inconvenience of the whole thing, it's like, oh, you go to the emergency room, you're waiting and waiting.

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[00:15:12] David Casper: Well, yeah, around the same time that, uh, my mentor had fell.

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[00:15:34] Jeff Nesbitt: up.

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[00:15:49] David Casper: Um, you know, I've been avoiding them, but, uh, one thing that saved my life is a hard

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[00:15:58] They're the best. Oh [00:16:00] my gosh. Very nice accessory.

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[00:16:09] Jeff Nesbitt: they're shut check

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[00:16:20] You know, our flat roof would come up and then, , my wall trim, you know, which was metal wood, cap over it, you know? So then when the water hit the wall, it would hit my flashing and then come down to the roof. And so I took this flashing and I put it up on this upper roof where I was working and I went to go work under the.

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[00:16:53] Jeff Nesbitt: Uh, no. Okay.

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[00:16:56] No, it was just aluminum, but this, this was [00:17:00] like, after I got done cutting my 45 degree cuts on there, you know, up to a

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[00:17:12] David Casper: So you kind of know where this is going and I'm working underneath it and I'm working with my, , apprentice and, , the wind kicked up and he said that every piece, every piece had individually spread out and then directed straight for my head.

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[00:17:47] And he was like, you have no idea what just happened yeah,

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[00:18:07] And then managed to only hit your head. Yes. Where you're wearing protection right on the brim. They all hit my head. You would be fucking dead. Yes.

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[00:18:28] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah, God man. When, , so I roofed a little bit for like six months, out in Portland right before I started, the job I have now and I didn't know really what I was doing, but then we were doing tear off and it was like me and six other guys who were maybe two or three years experienced.

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[00:19:07] I was chafing my in between my legs really bad. And it felt like there was nothing else to do. I had been working really hard. Everyone else had been like, whoa, like just standing around for a while. So I was like, fuck, can I just go home? Like what, why am I still here? And he's like, go down and level out the dumpster.

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[00:19:48] It was just like a giant open brown dumpster. And they were just throwing these giant chunks, like as big as you could grab and throw off the edge of the roof into the dumpster. So when you do that, they all land at one spot every once in a while. You [00:20:00] got to get in there and spread them around. So it's even right.

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[00:20:21] , , luckily actually, cause if it would have been a one spot, it could have killed me, like it was spread out. So it just, and just, it sounded just like what you said where it's like a Superman punch and except it was, my whole body had just fucking crushed me, but I was fine. I got up because my head was protected and I was in stuff that had some give to it.

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[00:21:06] Yeah. Didn't quit. Didn't go home. I was like, I I'll stop being a bitch, but my chafing is okay. Yeah. And , yeah, that was like a moment where I realized these people are they're tougher than me. I'm not meant for this work. I was sitting there up to my elbows in mastic smear and it around trying to it's like, nah, it's too hard.

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[00:21:25] David Casper: is hard. It is just grueling. It is. I

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[00:21:33] David Casper: I get a kick out of it because I'm more of the type that will go up and do the sketchy stuff. Oh yeah. You know, so my mentors, they really liked me for that, you know, and that's kinda how I got in with the, with my apprenticeship.

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[00:21:47] Jeff Nesbitt: like a spider. I can't,

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[00:21:54] Jeff Nesbitt: What do you use? I use extra Tufts, like rubber, extra Tufts, extra steel [00:22:00] toe. I'm sure. No, no, no, man. We got the same equipment. That's what I used to.

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[00:22:08] They laugh. You off

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[00:22:09] Jeff Nesbitt: roof in Portland for that. They what laugh you off the roof for extra Tufts. Yeah. No, every single person wears like work boots with steel toasts, like big, late. Like, I'm kinda like I'm wearing now, except for like, these are like hippie boots. Right. But they're they have like the thick leather big it's like you're wearing a fucking cinderblock on your foot.

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[00:22:31] David Casper: I can't do oh, because I'm going to be on my knees and I need to have that flex in my toe. Me too.

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[00:22:47] I did have a

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[00:22:48] David Casper: back injury in high school and uh, um, yeah. I've been roofing for like four years and, uh, yeah, it feels great. You healed, I, uh, yeah. Yeah. I had a [00:23:00] back brace in high school for a little while. And man, that thing was so embarrassing to where it looked like a bullet, a Bulletproof vest

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[00:23:13] Like the back brace, it's like the embarrassing thing in high school. Um, I don't, I don't, I don't get it. It didn't seem, I don't remember it being like goofy or anything. Yeah.

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[00:23:35] I was your Forrest Gump.

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[00:23:46] David Casper: seen some episodes yet to get pretty, pretty

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[00:23:51] David Casper: Oh yeah. That's right. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. She's the one that looks like the bird.

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[00:23:55] Jeff Nesbitt: That's a great show. Those guys are doing a podcast now. Oh, cool. That's pretty funny. They [00:24:00] just, they talk about every episode of the show in order, which is actually a really smart way to monetize your, your intellectual property. Like, oh, we made this show for 14 years now. We'll make another show talking about the show.

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[00:24:29] David Casper: it was

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[00:24:30] Jeff Nesbitt: seconds and that was in like ninth or 10th

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[00:24:35] And, uh, I would, I would go to state, um, you know, as a freshman and a sophomore.

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[00:24:56] And then all of a sudden you're kicking their asses and you were younger than them too. [00:25:00] That was pretty cool.

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[00:25:08] Jeff Nesbitt: across country. Yes. I know. Most of them still are. They still would annihilate they're they're great athletes.

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[00:25:16] David Casper: I've been actually going to the gym, um, for the last couple of months and I've been putting on a, you know, a pound every week. I've been, uh, really working on getting out of this, uh, string bean, you know, type of build. That's tough.

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[00:25:36] The body type echo echo more as like a endomorph mesomorph and an ectomorph are the three general body types. And you can be in between somewhere, but an endomorph endo, meaning inside you see you hold calories on your body and no morphs tend to be bigger. They have thicker bones they're you can tell at the wrist, they're usually thicker.

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[00:26:17] You have a little bit of control, but it completely depends on your lifestyle. And like what you're eating, how much calories you're burning every day. And then in ectomorph is somebody who sheds calories, somebody who doesn't hold. So I think you're probably an ectomorph. Okay. So when you eat your body takes what it needs and it doesn't have the impulse to be like, all right, well just in case I'm going to store some of this right above your ass, like right on.

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[00:26:48] David Casper: Yeah. Like, no, I do eat for my energy level for sure. When I get full pretty quick, you know, and it's hard for me to stay appetized I guess. Yeah. You know, [00:27:00] so he smoke weed.

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[00:27:12] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't give you the munchies like it, like it used to, yeah, that was an insane level of craving back, like high school years.

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[00:27:31] David Casper: went for the, uh, peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Oh man.

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[00:27:39] Yeah. I have such a nonsense product. Like when I first saw him, I was like, who the fuck would buy this? Yeah. And my kids wanted them. So we started buying them. They're actually pretty good. Yes. They're actually pretty good

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[00:27:57] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. We go through [00:28:00] a box a week. Like the Costco box kids are just, they're built out of Uncrustables

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[00:28:06] Jeff Nesbitt: just without guilt, just being like, I'm just going to eat all of them. It's just like, I don't need to eat dinner.

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[00:28:36] Uh, but I don't remember that. So I don't know who's doing what you do. Some sleep eating. I do a lot of it. Yeah. Oh, wow. Daily sleep, eating. Okay. I am not all that healthy as far as my daily routines go. Okay. I, I do a lot of, um, insomniac shit, like where I don't sleep for a night and then, uh, I just feel weird and it messes with it.

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[00:29:25] If it doesn't, I wake up feeling great. I don't wake up with a stomach ache and feeling like all tired and gross, and it's funny too, cause my dad did it. My dad did it all the time and he. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know how to break pike, break that habit, but it's yeah, it is what it is. It is what it is.

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[00:29:44] quite

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[00:29:54] David Casper: just liked the original idea. Or maybe even like the double stuff. I, you know, I went outside my comfort zone and I got [00:30:00] those because yeah.

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[00:30:03] Jeff Nesbitt: I was like, yeah,

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[00:30:12] Jeff Nesbitt: too. Do you still open them up and eat the cream or not? No grownup does that. I stopped, but you know what? All kids do it and monkeys also do it.

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[00:30:30] David Casper: I do it, you know, and just to, you know, if I, if I was bored, but I mean, honestly, I mean, I'm just so used to getting down to, I

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[00:30:41] Exactly. When I was a kid, I remember no. In no uncertain terms that that's the best way to eat an Oreo. You bust that bitch open, scrape out the middle, and then you maybe ate the cookie. If he got some milk, maybe not. Maybe you might just have a stack of them over here.

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[00:30:58] Jeff Nesbitt: Those are good. One time, my [00:31:00] brother, we were, my dad was asleep and it was just me and him like watching movies and eating Oreos. And we had a whole pack of them and he took and open every cookie and scraped the cream out and put it in a ball and then just like threw the cookies away. And he just, at the end, he just had this dirty tennis ball sized ball of cream.

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[00:31:33] David Casper: This is, yeah. This is,

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[00:31:41] David Casper: Yeah. He had made himself A piece of

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[00:31:58] Make a glaze for it and put the [00:32:00] glaze on it. The glaze does look just like calm. So it's kind of gross looking at the end. Sure. Cause he puts the glaze on when it's like the cake still warm. So like half Milton when he does the, it's like a, it's just a simple glaze, you know, confectioner's sugar, a little bit of water, maybe a little lemon juice or orange juice, some citrus just to, you know, give it a little citrus zest.

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[00:32:32] David Casper: bummed. She doesn't see it. They're all like, you know, look at the GSK.

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[00:32:45] David Casper: don't. Um, I mean, my culinary skills are pretty limited, I usually just make some chicken, you know, some chicken and rice. Do you ever get bored of that?

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[00:32:59] What kind of [00:33:00] rice you like? Um, white rice. Me too. Yeah. Yeah. The brown rice. That was a phase. It's not as good. No. And I don't think it's that much better for, you

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[00:33:15] Jeff Nesbitt: And then, but it, is that even brown rice or is that just like brown because it's cooked.

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[00:33:43] So you pull a bag out. It has what it is on the bag, open it up. Every ingredient is already measured. So you just have to either cut it up or, , whatever. And it, the instructions are really simple. It walks you through the entire recipe and the food is awesome. I've been really, really impressed, highly recommend.

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[00:34:06] David Casper: I've been actually pretty curious about signing up for something like that. You know, I, the only thing that held me back, cause if it would be cost-effective and you know,

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[00:34:17] So it's not cheap, it's like $10 serving which it's not cheap, but it's also not that expensive. I spend $10 a serving, no matter where I go, like there's, I that's rare that I'd get a meal for under 10 bucks. If you're feeding kids, nah, fuck that they waste too much food. Right. But if you're feeding adults, like we get the, you can get it in two servings or four, we get two servings for me.

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[00:35:02] A lot of the food is actually everything I cook tastes the same. Cause I know what I like. And I put the same amount of salt and pepper on everything and a little paprika and garlic and I cooked with the same shit all the time. So it always tastes very similar and I like my food, but now it's like, these recipes are designed by chefs.

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[00:35:32] But yeah, that's

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[00:35:40] Jeff Nesbitt: we just started doing it because I spent, I started spending too much money eating out. Cause you get tired and you don't want to like cook sometimes. It's just like the idea of like trying to figure out what to cook out of a limited basket of ingredients.

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[00:36:09] David Casper: right?

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[00:36:18] Jeff Nesbitt: the crying. Oh yeah. Well you're talking

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[00:36:34] Shred it up,

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[00:36:41] David Casper: I don't have, I don't have time for that. I'm too busy up on the roof. Yeah.

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[00:36:54] Oh, hell yeah. It's so good. But yeah, that's one of my favorites. Yeah. You

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[00:36:58] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. The recipes [00:37:00] on what, whose episode was that? Alex. Moses. Oh yeah. Alex Moses. Um, let's see, what else do we want to talk about?

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[00:37:14] Jeff Nesbitt: bag.

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[00:37:23] David Casper: So, so back in high school, um, when I had suffered this back injury that we were talking about earlier, um, I was so depressed, you know, there was just a bunch of things that happened, uh, during that, um, sophomore summer, um, I had lost my grandmother, you know, sh uh, she was at a pretty young age.

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[00:38:12] Cause I was just all like, you know, my back is just killing me all the time. You know, I'm like running around and stuff like that. And I'm just in, in it's inflamed, like one of my, uh, you know, the muscles in my backwards, just like one side was just bulging, like crazy.

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[00:38:29] Yeah. Uh,

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[00:38:41] Jeff Nesbitt: So it was this something that you had your whole life and you just, it was getting more and it was, and

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[00:38:45] And I think it was because, um, well, cause I was doing football, you know, and I was just, you know, hitting people as hard as I possibly could. And then, um, you know, wrestling, I would do, I would do that. And I mean, we're throwing each [00:39:00] other twists in Oregon. Um, and I actually, you know, I, there was nobody for me to wrestle other than, um, uh, Bobby Chrysalis and he, you know, would outweigh me by like, you know, a lot, you know, so

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[00:39:17] David Casper: pounds were over.

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[00:39:32] Jeff Nesbitt: yeah. Just that overextending. Yeah.

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[00:39:36] Jeff Nesbitt: back. Good at all those things. Yeah. You're a good

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[00:39:40] Well, because I was a good athlete. I feel like that made it a lot easier for me to, um, do roofing, you know, cause there's some athletics that definitely have to be exercised.

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[00:39:57] All that is

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[00:40:22] So I learned a couple of chords and everything like that. I'm still like a beginner and they, uh, in the high school has put it now at an ad for battle of the bands. And so I was like, you know what? This is great. You know, this is a sanctioned activity, you know, and this is a way for me to like, feel awesome because I would feel so awesome, you know, doing these sports and, in football, like laying somebody out and wrestling, pinning somebody, or, you know, beating somebody in a race, you know, foot race.

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[00:41:02] David Casper: Well, it was the, it was the special teams, you know, when I was really able to like pick up some speed and, you know, just yeah. Hit somebody at we'll speed.

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[00:41:18] David Casper: Yeah, no, I I've suffered so many concussions, you know?

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[00:41:27] Yeah. Fishermen Bam-Bam

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[00:41:34] Jeff Nesbitt: uh, one of the hardest heads ever gave me a concussion dude.

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[00:41:50] Jeff Nesbitt: He's built like an English bulldog. It's true. Like he's, I mean, picture his, just his proportions compared to yours. You're a little lanky. That man is not lanky. No, he's like a, of. [00:42:00] There's there's just like any, he was strong and fast and very aggressive. Yes. He was a fun guy to play football with too.

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[00:42:09] David Casper: Yeah, I was, yeah, I think I got him on Facebook and I was like, yeah, I think he had a birthday not too long ago or something like that. And yeah, it seems like he's doing really good. Still looks like a beast.

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[00:42:22] I'm sorry I put you off. ,

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[00:42:43] And so he's like, yeah. And so we meet up and we're like, Hey, uh, so what should we name the band? And, uh, oh, actually, you know, before that, , I had gotten dropped off at his house and, uh, We go to set up to do our first jam session. And then we [00:43:00] actually play, uh, played, uh, smells like team spirit by Nirvana.

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[00:43:19] Jeff Nesbitt: drugs. Yeah.

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[00:43:21] David Casper: And it's very powerful, which, you know, would make, uh, turn out to be the demise of a bag of grass as well,

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[00:43:31] David Casper: was, it was a, it was something else, you know, because, uh, we were, we would record these songs and we would, post them up on a, uh, what was it, MySpace, you know?

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[00:43:51] Jeff Nesbitt: was no fun. Yeah. That was before lonely island.

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[00:44:04] Jeff Nesbitt: So the writing was very funny.

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[00:44:15] Jeff Nesbitt: obvious we'd reference

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[00:44:21] Jeff Nesbitt: I remember how they introduced you. So this, our next band was, they had took their inspiration from Walt Whitman's leaves of grass and, um,

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[00:44:42] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh my gosh. Very

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[00:44:47] And so they had like episode two of a battle of the bands, which we were the only, the only band that participated, like there was other people that were playing music and that were really talented. And we weren't awesome though, [00:45:00] but yeah, they weren't bands and, uh, you know, they weren't getting up there and doing it, you know, I was just like, I don't care.

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[00:45:07] Jeff Nesbitt: actually put on a performance. Right. Yeah. And other people got up there and played us a song you put on

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[00:45:24] And he, uh, and I'm all like, Hey man, you know, like what do you, what do you think of my stuff? And he's like give, uh, given some pretty negative responses and stuff like that. And, you know, I was like, well, well then why don't, why don't you do it? And, uh, I ended up going to jam with Taylin afterwards and I was like, Hey man, you know, you know, this is kind of bummed me out.

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[00:46:07] Oh man. Oh dude, that was actually one of the most embarrassing moments of my life. And it made me realize how powerful, you know, music is, , in itself. And, uh, , how I had totally

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[00:46:33] I mean, look what happened with, uh, like. Every really every successful musician, the ones who really get big, they have feuds look at like Drake and meek mill a couple of years back Kanye now, I guess. But, um, there's, I mean, Neil young and Leonard Skinner, it goes way, way back. Everybody does it. That's like they plan them out so that it's so that they get the publicity from it.

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[00:47:03] David Casper: It was still, uh, we were still, you know, um, kind of working out the kinks and, , I thought it was funny too. And when we were doing it, like I thought, , he would hear it and, , he would be like, you know, ha ha ha.

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[00:47:18] David Casper: So, , after I posted the song, , I go, I go into the, , high school , and I see him and he's all like, Hey, you know, what's going on? And I was like, oh, Hey Alex, you know, did you like the song? And boom, totally pushes me into the locker. And at this point I know that I'm in some pretty big day, I made a critical error, you know, and I'm about ready to get, you know, my ass kicked, you know?

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[00:47:48] Jeff Nesbitt: I had often either

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[00:48:01] And I was all like, well, me and Taylin did. And he goes, I knew it. Taylin made that song. Oh no.

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[00:48:11] David Casper: right? Yeah. Yeah. At this point, or at this point in time, a tailing was pretty blind and uh, I see Jeff turned around and he, he had leaves me or Alex turned around any,

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[00:48:25] Oh yeah.

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[00:48:33] Jeff Nesbitt: going to forget this. And also nobody was saying shit because Alex was big and scary and mad. Right. So it was just like silent.

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[00:48:41] David Casper: they

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[00:49:02] And he's like yelling at him and I see tailing, you know, like, you know, Hey, what's going on? And like extends his hand and stuff like that. And I told, I didn't want to intervene and pull agro back at me. Cause I knew if I did that, you know, He would probably re pursue me.

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[00:49:19] Jeff Nesbitt: who he feels like he might be able to punch and get away with. Right.

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[00:49:27] Jeff Nesbitt: for yeah. He knew that too. I felt that in the energy, in the air, everyone's like, okay, this is actually kind of good. This will subdue the situation. He's not going to hit a blind guy.

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[00:49:41] David Casper: just not

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[00:49:57] David Casper: Well, I mean, we were both, you know, kind of singing and just, [00:50:00] you know, letting out whatever we had to let out, you know, just, we were just feeling some negative energy.

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[00:50:08] David Casper: Yeah. It had the tune of a sovereign nation army by, I

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[00:50:15] David Casper: doom, doom, doom doom.

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[00:50:26] Um, nobody even was mad about that. If anybody's going to be mad, it should be. Yes.

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[00:50:39] Jeff Nesbitt: a, yeah, we were remembered the line. Actually. You were talking about a girl that they both liked and you're talking about how Alex was doing something and Eddie was just still juggling.

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[00:50:51] Jeff Nesbitt: you mean, it was really mean if I recall. Oh no, it was, it was a good distract man. Yeah. They should've been able to take that for what it was and [00:51:00] see that it was supposed to be comedic slash roast dish. Right. You were trying to roast them in a way that was funny, which is okay.

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[00:51:14] David Casper: Yeah. So, um, so how'd that resolve? So we basically just, well, so after the whole incident happened, like I was just so like distraught and, uh, I actually went to the library and I was like, Hey, um, I hide here. No, that too. But, um, I was like, Hey, uh, I need to get on my space.

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[00:52:02] But it would later on be, you know, discarded. Do you still have any of those

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[00:52:12] David Casper: Yeah. They might still be up there, but if I remember correctly, we cycled through a bunch of songs and like, you know, it just progressively just not getting the sound that I wanted.

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[00:52:50] And it wouldn't be even like three weeks after that, that, uh, Lucas would, uh, you know, pass away.

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[00:52:59] David Casper: [00:53:00] Sad. Yeah. I was, uh, I was really bummed out about that too, because, um, I wasn't able to leave job Corps to like, you know, attend his funeral or anything like that. Cause I was, uh, a new resident and, uh, there's a, you know, a period of time where you can't leave the, you know, the school.

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[00:53:23] Jeff Nesbitt: that he died of pneumonia. Yeah, man.

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[00:53:28] David Casper: Isn't sad. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. I'm pretty sad.

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[00:53:47] I

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[00:53:49] Jeff Nesbitt: crazy. I mean, I mean, I think that's totally

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[00:53:53] Jeff Nesbitt: people like characteristics. Yeah. And it's easy to understand if you think about like sex, because obviously your biologies are synchronized [00:54:00] because you're fucking, but like even just you and me sitting right here, our heart rate is probably synchronized our body temperature, synchronized being in the same physical location is another layer of, of the bonding and like.

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[00:54:30] Right. And that's why online dating can be so treacherous, because you might think that you guys are totally connected and then get physically together and you'd be like, oh, it's not there. Right. It's just not there.

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[00:54:53] And then, uh, go up to Seattle and have a good time.

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[00:55:03] David Casper: I mean, it's, it's good.

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[00:55:08] David Casper: you don't want to touch base on, on that? You know, there's some, some

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[00:55:15] All right.

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[00:55:27] Jeff Nesbitt: my favorite.

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[00:55:47] Um, because everything

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[00:55:50] David Casper: town. Right. And it was like, I've known these girls, you know, all my life and stuff like that. So they'd be on it on interested, but anytime there'd be a new girl that would come into, , the [00:56:00] school, they were like, Hey, what's up with this guy?

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[00:56:20] Jeff Nesbitt: myself.

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[00:56:32] And then once I realized like, oh shit, rejection's not that bad. Yeah. I don't really mind that at all. Like if you accept your, your rejection rate is going to be high ahead of time, then you're just like, alright, well let me go knock out a few of these rejections.

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[00:56:49] David Casper: Well, and I mean, I feel like guys are doing a lot of running around and you know, the females, they just have to stay put yeah. You know, the object of [00:57:00] desire. Yeah, exactly. Put out the vibe.

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[00:57:04] David Casper: Uh, well I like, um,

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[00:57:26] Do I have a type a, I prefer if they weren't overweight, you know, like that kinda kind of deal, I'm not too particular of, you know, their ass, their titties, but you know, those are pluses and, uh, you know, if they can, you know, make some good food or not, cause I don't like to cook. So, you know, if they, if they do that, then that's, that's

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[00:57:52] Yeah. I think when I was younger, I used to desire more. What I thought culture wanted me to desire. Like [00:58:00] when we were, let's say middle school. Okay. The sexy bodies hype that Hollywood, would have us believe was like, what I was called was like the Budweiser models, like women who are like, usually blonde, big tits, narrow waist, small ass, like, it was like the night.

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[00:58:40] And I would actually try to redirect myself. I remember in, uh, I don't even know if it's a little bit personal. Ah, fuck it. I remember I used to get my prescriptions at this pharmacy in Bellingham and there was this chicken there who had the, just this big ass that I was just like, oh my God. And I had a girlfriend who's like[00:59:00] small frame person.

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[00:59:09] it didn't really Dawn on me. I was still like, try to pursue women who were not like that. Then I, and then I realized like, oh shit, maybe I just like big butts and I cannot lie. You cannot,

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[00:59:22] Jeff Nesbitt: wouldn't deny. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I get it. And so then I just accepted that , and now society is caught up too, and everybody loves big buts. Yeah. It's a, it's the way of the world, right? Yeah. I just find that interesting how, , we can try to convince ourself of what we like, based on what other people like, there's no reason to do that because it takes maturity to realize who you are and what you actually want.

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[00:59:51] Jeff Nesbitt: That is my number one. Turn on. Yeah. Number one,

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[01:00:04] I've had plates of lasagna thrown at my head, you know, remotely to hit ya. Oh, hell yeah. The plate lasagna. Okay. And it was a paper plate. Oh, okay. So it wasn't so bad, but I wore it as a hat.

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[01:00:19] I'm like, I don't want any part of that. Yeah.

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[01:00:28] Jeff Nesbitt: I've regularly say that to people where I'm just like, look, I don't want much from you. If we're like people who I spend a lot of time with my family, my wife, my kids, people like that. I don't really ask for much.

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[01:01:02] And I don't like it. I want it to change. So I like that becomes my new priority. It's like, all right, how do we fix this? So we can get back to life. Yeah. And it's not healthy. You don't need to be doing that. Right?

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[01:01:20] Exactly. And you're just like, okay, what's going on here? Nothing. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. And then once you're done asking questions, then they want to tell

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[01:01:41] I'm just like, I'll give you your answers, but I'm not going to worry about your feelings. Right. This. Yeah. It's bad news. Yeah. That always seems to be what happens to me, uh, because like, I'll try hard and me and Melissa don't fight much. It's really a rare thing when we do. Um, but she takes longer to, to warm back up and be [01:02:00] ready to talk about stuff than I do.

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[01:02:17] David Casper: I never really understood that either because yeah. I'm always like upfront and I want to be in its face and I want to, you know, solve the problem.

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[01:02:28] Jeff Nesbitt: You want to a break? Sure. We'll come back and do our last 45 minutes. Okay. Check, check, check.

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[01:02:35] Jeff Nesbitt: oh yeah. There's water and a bubbly water there for you.

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[01:02:50] David Casper: that a little bit? So, um, for my understanding, like, uh, dicks, dicks, SIA is, uh, like when I look at, uh, a word [01:03:00] and, uh, the letters get jumbled up and, uh, also, um, yeah, which makes it really difficult to read.

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[01:03:34] Jeff Nesbitt: Wow. And did you notice this happening to you in school? Oh yeah.

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[01:04:06] And, uh, I really just, uh, wanted to be like everybody else, you know, graduating in my class. So I just concentrated really hard on, making those points and testing out of it and which I was successful at and, uh, would be able to, , graduate.

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[01:04:31] David Casper: know. Like, I don't know what they would do to, you know, help that.

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[01:04:42] I don't know. I don't know. I don't think it's a well understood situation. Yeah. I don't know much about it. I'm going to put a dig in right here and tell the audience some stuff about dyslexia. Okay.

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[01:05:03] Here we go. Dyslexia is a common learning disability that interferes with the acquisition of reading skills. It causes children to struggle with decoding word recognition and spelling. While many people still use the term dyslexia. It is now technically part of the diagnosis, specific learning disorder, which groups together, reading, writing, and math disorders under the same umbrella.

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[01:05:43] Difficulty with little words, omits or reads twice little words like the, and, but and in.

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[01:06:05] treatment will first address the symptoms of the disorder, teaching your child, how to read, not intuitively as most do, but as a rule based system, then your child and her therapist, or his therapist will develop compensatory skills for learning in general.

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[01:06:29] Okay. So that actually, yeah, that does kind of fill in some gaps. It's not easy to diagnose. And there is a lot of different. Expressions of it. It can look a lot of different ways. And I think it changes through the lifespan as well. Interesting. Carry on

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[01:07:06] No, no, no. And they're fallible. They can make mistakes and they can, they can have bias that is gonna affect, you know, what they say. And on top of that society, there's a lot of societal pressure for everyone to agree, especially where it comes to things where people are being medicated, because then it's also economics and that's where like, so do you know what the DSM is?

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[01:07:48] So they'll go right through the checklist and say like, okay. So in order to qualify for substance abuse disorder, they need to meet, you know, whatever it is, five out of seven of these criteria. [01:08:00] And then they just check the boxes. So I was like, oh, is, is the efforts to procure your drug of choice, impeding your relationships or your work life or whatever.

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[01:08:32] Number one taking the substance in larger amounts or for longer than you're meant to. Number two. Wanting to cut down or stop using the substance, but not managing to do it. Three. Spending a lot of time getting using or recovering from use of the substance. For. Cravings and urges to use the substance.

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[01:09:13] Using substances again and again, even when it puts you in danger.

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[01:09:37] So the DSM-V allows clinicians to specify how severe or how much of a problem the substance use disorder is depending on how many symptoms are identified, two or three symptoms indicate a mild substance use disorder. Four to five symptoms indicate a moderate substance use disorder and six or more symptoms indicate a severe substance use disorder.

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[01:10:16] Definitely up to the opinion of the clinician. Continuing to use, even when it causes problems in relationships. What if those problems in relationships are caused because of lack of education or lack of understanding about the substance, maybe your, your spouse doesn't understand that you need medication because they think that.

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[01:10:53] Jeff Nesbitt: whatever.

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[01:11:12] Sure. It's still in your record. People are still going to bring it up. If you ever try to run for office or something like that. Yeah. It's just, it sucks for people who want to like go out and make something of themselves, but also are a little damaged or a little bit different. Sure. Um, it's, it's affected the way that I pursue mental health services for sure.

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[01:11:43] David Casper: so, so one of the things that actually helped me out, really like buckle down and do my schoolwork and, you know, be able to, like you just reach a new level of consciousness was a smoking marijuana.

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[01:12:01] Jeff Nesbitt: didn't even remember that. Sorry. You sounds like a health. I'll take the credit. So for heard

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[01:12:12] Jeff Nesbitt: story. I don't remember.

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[01:12:20] And, you know, I was like feeling, all depressed and down and stuff like that. And so I'm riding my bike, down the main road. And here . You come with your truck and, uh, you got a buddy in the, in the passenger seat and you picked me

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[01:12:33] David Casper: Yes. And so you picked me up and you're all like, Hey, check this out.

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[01:13:00] , like I've just felt like just everything kind of just slowed down, you know? And I was able to first time ever for the first time ever, I had been suffering from add and just spazzing out, you know, all the time you were a wild kid, I was wild, you know, just climbing trees, jumping out of them, you know, riding my bike and going down these Hills with the intention of crashing, you know, knowing, you know, All over the place, you know, it just, and that's why I really excelled at sports too.

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[01:13:38] Jeff Nesbitt: I have an ego. That's something that also really helped you in sports. Yeah. One of the very few people I can think of actually where, when it became like known, they're like, oh shit, David's actually a great athlete. It didn't really seem to go to your head.

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[01:14:03] David Casper: And so it, yeah, everything just slowed down and uh,, after that experience, I was just like, whoa, am I a bad person?

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[01:14:16] Jeff Nesbitt: uh, I struggled with that.

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[01:14:34] So then, you know, it would do it again, it would like slow it down and I'd be like, whoa, this is freaking sweet. I'm actually really interested in reading this book where normally I would be so jacked that I wouldn't be able to sit down and do that. I'd have to do something else that was, you know, hands-on

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[01:14:51] Or you'd have to be , for some reason, highly motivated to do it. Right. Like somebody forcing you.

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[01:15:02] Jeff Nesbitt: whatever, but now it's such a goofball in class sometimes like very just outburst making people laugh. Oh

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[01:15:10] Oh yeah. Just saying ridiculous things, you know, pointing out things that I thought were funny. I was supposed to be fun. Yeah. I want to have a good time. You know, I like laughing and I like having a good time

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[01:15:23] David Casper: of people and stuff like know, being a performer or an actor,

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[01:15:28] What being a performer or an actor or a comedian, I think,

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[01:15:56] Jeff Nesbitt: craft. Right. I just mean like, I do that about a ton of [01:16:00] different jobs and it changes too. where I was just like, even though I love my job, I have no problem with it. , but I like to just fantasize about what if I would have decided to go into being a chef or a comedian or a writer or all the different stuff.

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[01:16:33] Right. That it was just like, fuck, I don't, I'd have to really try hard. I'd have to put a ton of work and effort into doing something that's going to almost 100% certainly end in me being humiliated for a long time. , I don't know if I can do that to myself. Yeah. But you know, It's fun to see.

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[01:16:51] David Casper: maybe like, uh, like a SWAT team, Shannon guy. So, yeah. Cause whenever I'm up on the roof and I have my rope and harness, you know, I've, [01:17:00] I'm literally like repelling down the roof. Yeah. You know? And so, and I'll, I'll like do it all fast and stuff and, you know, do like a, what, like some, uh, mission, impossible, you know, little theme song going in my head.

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[01:17:22] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. To manipulate your environment like that, to be able to move through it with skill. Yeah. It feels really good. Yeah. Yeah.

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[01:17:45] Jeff Nesbitt: you enjoy the little bit of rush you get from Heights.

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[01:18:09] I think a lot of people get that just like standing at the edge of a roof all the time. And I do not, I have to be really endanger for that feeling to pop up. Yeah,

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[01:18:30] Jeff Nesbitt: up.

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[01:18:32] David Casper: And I usually always have , an exit strategy. So even if I'm like not roped up and I'm going down to a section, you know, I've got my hands where I'm going to be able to grab onto something, , solid and uh, you know, not fall cause you know, I haven't fallen yet, so, and I have no intentions of falling.

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[01:19:09] It's like a scissor lift, but it's got a moveable basket and it rotates and everything like that. So in, you know, you can drive it around. So I'm, I'm doing a job over in us Seaview and I'm riffing this, section And I get in there and there's like a little hill to go down.

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[01:19:53] And I'm like, oh shit, this

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[01:19:56] David Casper: Oh my God. You know, I'm going to get launched out of this thing. And I'm like [01:20:00] looking over the edge because I'm like, you know, about ready to jump out. I mean, I'm like 20 feet up in the air, but you know, down, down below, there's some soft sand, which I'm, you know, sliding a little too soft.

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[01:20:34] So there's, there's new things to learn everyday and, you know, shit,

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[01:20:52] And I was with the boss's son, like he was probably 30 and he'd been doing it his whole life. So I trusted his [01:21:00] instincts, even though he was kind of a wild man. And he was like, typical boss, his son, the boss was a millionaire. He had an, an alpha Romeo, , race car and a secret door in the. That was killer.

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[01:21:28] So it was when they were fairly new, I think. Yeah. So he seemed kind of wild and crazy to me. So I was like, I don't completely trust this guy, but, um, here we go. Roll the dice. And so we're going up in one of these lifts, a two second story of this office building and cleaning the gutters and the wind starts whipping this thing around.

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[01:22:04] And like, it was no big deal. And I was just like, I don't want this. I don't want to do this. This is not worth dying over these fucking gutters no way. Um, but I was shocked at how much it can move without tipping over. Cause the base looks very small. It doesn't look like it's and it's so it's pretty narrow.

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[01:22:32] David Casper: cool.

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[01:22:44] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh, cool. Yeah. I just want to do any of the day

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[01:22:53] So as we're tearing off the old roofing, this is a double layer metal roof that's on the [01:23:00] museum. So the first layer that we take off, there's a, another layer of metal underneath. And we had to inspect the substrate, underneath, which is, you know, a steel building. So on the second layer, I'd have to like peel up a little section and underneath it would be like some insulation board.

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[01:23:33] Jeff Nesbitt: apart. Yeah, that's pretty far. It's

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[01:23:44] That is not safe. And I was like, if you make one false move and right when I said that his leg gave out and he had fell in through, , 17 feet to his knee cap and missing this unforgivable, you know, [01:24:00] printing press, oh shit, that's in there. It's near like one of the exits. And he had missed it by inches, man.

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[01:24:17] Jeff Nesbitt: yeah, and probably broke a priceless piece of historical printing equipment or yeah.

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[01:24:26] But, um, and it looked pretty sturdy too. I mean, if they used to build shit well back then, if you fell on it, I mean the structural integrity is going to be staying in there. It's just going to need a little

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[01:24:39] David Casper: uh, yeah, he falls, he falls through when he hits his, he hits his leg and we're looking down at him and we're like, Hey, you know, are you all right?

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[01:24:54] Jeff Nesbitt: hurts 17 feet a long way.

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[01:25:10] He had fallen off the roof and then went back up on the roof after falling. Yeah, we should

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[01:25:21] David Casper: no, he was just, he climbed back up on the roof after falling 17 feet to his kneecap and his, because he was in so much shock. Yeah. And this, uh, individual would actually be the son of, uh, the first guy that I saw fall.

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[01:25:36] Jeff Nesbitt: wow. So they both fell. Yeah, damn.

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[01:25:42] Jeff Nesbitt: So was he okay? Is it, did it break his kneecap or anything like that? No, he

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[01:25:55] And he is just, you know, doing so well, you know, in the [01:26:00] industry, , he had , came to construction at a high school, you know? And so when he got put in my van and became my apprentice, I just gave him all the knowledge that I had to, you know, help him be successful and a. Yeah, he is just, he's doing so well.

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[01:26:40] Like, you know, he's, you know, doing so good. And, you know, I had taught him all these things, you know, to like, you know, kind of have like a kind of envy, but I don't want to be that kind of kind of guy that, you know, all is always in power and then pushes people below me. No,

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[01:26:57] That's a very bad way to be like, you gotta be the kind [01:27:00] of guy who celebrates other people. Right. And who welcomes their success and helps them. Uh, the rising tide raises all boats, you know? Good, good as good for everybody. Yeah. And it's only our egos that care about that shit. It doesn't actually change your life in any positive way to be that way, because it doesn't make you look better.

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[01:27:43] Uh, I

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[01:28:05] And then I had an inherited, that job for me to put that together. So it was a, and there was a couple of different, uh, new things that I had to learn, , because it was a commercial building versus a residential.

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[01:28:25] David Casper: no,

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[01:28:27] Yeah,

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[01:28:49] Yeah. It's, it's some serious business like with the weight alone and we'd just, you know, crush you. know, You'd have to be really synchronized in order to install these panels and then they had [01:29:00] good helpers. Yeah. Yeah, very good helpers, which is really hard to come by. You know, it's hard to find people with like the same spark and enthusiasm as me when it comes to, wanting to go up and, you know, perform

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[01:29:14] Yeah. There are people who don't want to try to make it fun. Like they don't want to do like the, Hey let's make the best of this thing. They want to just be shitty all day. That's their style. That's how they get through it. Everybody does it their own way. But yeah, being a manager is hard for that reason.

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[01:29:38] David Casper: It's true. Yeah. No, I I've had people resent me as well. And um, and I'm just like, you know, what the heck, you know, it was like, you know, usually it would happen at like the last bit of the job, you know, where they would like really just disrespect me, you know?

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[01:30:11] Like, you know, I know your section leaked, but Hey, you know, it's all good.

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[01:30:19] David Casper: yeah, yeah, yeah. I actually got pretty good at sniffing out leaks for metal or, or compen and even flat flats, a little bit harder to find leaks though,

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[01:30:33] David Casper: going to go.

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[01:30:42] Jeff Nesbitt: bathtub up

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[01:30:51] And then there's also like puncture marks that could happen on it. And I mean,

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[01:31:02] David Casper: what is the craziest thing I've ever found on a roof? Um, well I know the coolest thing that I found inside of a roof was a, um, an old, uh, trap, um, that was built in the, uh, it had a mark on it.

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[01:31:20] Jeff Nesbitt: a trap for like an animal. Yeah. Oh cool.

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[01:31:28] Jeff Nesbitt: human trap. When you said that, I was like, oh shit. Yeah, no,

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[01:31:39] Oh, cool. Yeah. That we're like the roof in, inside the roof, like where nobody would be. It was like in inside where nobody would, did they

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[01:31:55] Cool. Yeah. She's um, yeah, I don't know if I can announce this yet. I [01:32:00] might wait. She's going to start doing a segment. Oh, cool. A regular like a local history thing. Cool. I'm excited about it. Oh yeah. That would

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[01:32:08] Jeff Nesbitt: hear that. Well, our community has wonderful history. It's great.

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[01:32:32] But there was cool, like, well, a piece of old history, but uh, where was it? What was I talking about? Oh, I lost track of it as the museum. Oh yeah. when I was in there, I noticed a big painting, a mural on the wall. And it was a Charles Mulvey who is a really cool local artist who's died years ago, but, , his paintings are awesome.

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[01:33:24] And then they found out, oh my God, this is a Charles movie. And so now they have it all displayed and everything. It's really cool.

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[01:33:40] I wouldn't, you know, wonder what other kinds of treasure treasures. Yeah.

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[01:33:59] Did you know that [01:34:00] when they renovated it, they found out about. Stuff under the gym floor, like a hidden compartment for storage that no one knew was there. Like they found a bunch of old books and desks and uh, all kinds of like stuff that hadn't been seen for. Oh, that's cool. They

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[01:34:14] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. That's killer. It was really cool. Did you ever go underneath the bleachers in there? You know, how there was those doors that were locked up? you maybe not remember this was

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[01:34:29] Like, you know, there's cracks and stuff.

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[01:34:44] Okay. And, um, that's where we stashed him. And I remember that's the one time I went in there and I was like trying to memorize what it looked like in there. Cause he was, but it was just like a home, you know, old, dusty storage room. But I love exploring old buildings like looking around and ghost towns, ghost towns are [01:35:00] weird.

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[01:35:19] So it's like all new stuff, but it's like, not yet never went

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[01:35:26] Jeff Nesbitt: something crash or something,

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[01:35:32] Jeff Nesbitt: Moving people in there, speaking of crashes, even watching the, the markets, the economy, you have any thoughts on,

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[01:35:45] I just been, uh, yeah. Um, which, you know, really sucks. I know, uh, uh, there was a guy who invested in ship who, you know, broke the record for. I guess getting the most, you know, [01:36:00] money for his dollar as far as I went, but now it's on a, you know, on a dip and it's everything it's, everything has been on to do

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[01:36:08] Yeah. Yeah. That's sheep run was very impressive. Yeah. I did not get in on that. I should have, you

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[01:36:15] Jeff Nesbitt: meme coins are too risky. Yeah. There's no way to tell. No, not at all. Especially on something like that, because literally the only thing that was driving that growth was hype. Right. And they acknowledged it.

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[01:36:39] David Casper: And really like the only way that you're truly gonna make some money out of that is if you're doing like day trading

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[01:36:49] You have to be very, very

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[01:37:07] You made a, made like $300 and you had to like put like a thousand in, you know, but that's what

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[01:37:23] Yeah. And, and, and risky, risky, risky. Yeah, it's just, it's tricky,

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[01:37:47] But I was just thinking about doing like, you know, low dollar increments, but you know, there's no telling that I might just get like totally addicted that happened to me. and then just start dumping everything into it. Like how I see some of my friends You know, you [01:38:00] just, you get a little hit and then it's just, it's on.

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[01:38:03] Jeff Nesbitt: I'm very confident that the world is going to change. . Okay. How do you think it's going to change? I think that the digital revolution is just beginning, even like with the internet and all that stuff where we've watched. Come up in our lifetime. Oh yeah. Mobile communication, GPS, hugely internet, all that stuff is part of our lifetime.

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[01:38:47] So I own a little bit of digital real estate, which sounds so goofy to say out loud. No, it's a, it's a legitimate thing. Yeah. And I, I mean, I, I am a tiny, tiny bit, but, , the people who bought a tiny bit, two years ago [01:39:00] are millionaires. So it's just like, you got to just try to look ahead and see what's what's coming.

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[01:39:23] Exactly. So it's, it's, it's really is a lot of fun and there's a lot of potential there, but I've kind of gone through the whole. Cycle of, uh, started. I got interested, I got hooked, started figuring out which niche markets I really care about and I'm into and got in so deep that I realized like, oh shit, I can't spend eight hours a day doing this.

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[01:40:05] And it's just not sustainable. Unless you decide that it's going to be your job and then you do it hard and you, and you really, really do your research, but it's, it's really not a place to go and, and just, just kind of pussyfoot around and yeah. Cause it's your money. Yeah. You work hard for, that's what I

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[01:40:22] I mean, it's not like a, you know, a Crock-Pot where you can just say it's not a set it and forget it, set it and forget it. No,

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[01:40:45] And you can be relatively certain in that because of scarcity. Right. Bitcoin will eventually be that too, but anybody who bought Bitcoin at 65,000 and is now at 32 or whatever, um, [01:41:00] that's a hard, that's a hard hit. That's a really

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[01:41:09] It's weird. It was very to me. And when I, when I first heard about it, I was like, there's no way that that can be successful really. You know? And, but, um, and then also like what deterred me from, , investing in it is like, you could, you know, do you know some like unlawful, you know, transactions with it too.

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[01:41:38] David Casper: since you bring up a really good point.

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[01:41:50] What proportion of that is done in cash and what proportion is done in Bitcoin cash still wins. It's more evil as committed with cash than Bitcoin. [01:42:00] Um, that's so true.

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[01:42:02] Jeff Nesbitt: I don't know. Yeah, but I do agree. I think, I think that it is possible. That being said, a lot of criminal activity is not visible.

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[01:42:30] There's a lot of anonymity because the wallets are, are anonymous. Like you can have a Bitcoin wallet and it's public. Anybody can get on. Actually, I don't know about, I've never actually been on the Bitcoin block Explorer, so I don't know how to do that, but I think it's public and you can get on there and see all the wallets and what's in them.

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[01:43:02] Like it's, it's very, it's a privacy is very prioritized in the blockchain world, which is awesome. Wow. That that's cool. Which is what attracted me to it in the first place. Okay. I hate having to give all my information to everybody to do anything.

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[01:43:33] It's just, it's endless. Yeah.

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[01:43:39] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. And it's hard not to use it. Yeah. I like, I like having it. I like looking at tick talks. Heck yeah. Tick talks are everywhere now. I don't even have TechTalk and I like watching tech talks they're on Instagram, they're addictive.

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[01:43:53] David Casper: stuff. It's a very addictive to fun to see people, you know, Living life, living life, having fun, [01:44:00] you know, kind of makes me, makes me seem like my life is, you know, boring or, or whatever. But I, I do, uh, want to like do more videos and stuff like that

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[01:44:13] Sure. Um, I actually started my Instagram page when I was roofing. That's awesome. The guy who taught me about Instagram, his name was Ron and he, uh, he's super smart guy. He like had this, he wrote a program. He wrote a bot, essentially. He was from Russia too. And uh, he wrote a bot that would go to other people's pages and like their pictures and then which would get them to go to his page and like his pictures.

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[01:44:57] Hell yeah, that was actually the name I was going [01:45:00] for. I was, I was trying to like, get an Instagram page going rambling, roofer where I'd like take pictures of different roofs in different locations. , I was in Portland, so I was doing really cool spots, I met Mr. Yoshida the teriyaki sauce, man.

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[01:45:33] He gave me a hat tall white dude handing out hats. Hell yeah. Also not a great story, but, um, yeah, it was, I always felt like I was like, cool, like you're behind the scenes of life because you're up on the roof everywhere. No one can, no one gets to go on the roof. No, it's only for special people. Yeah. It's it is.

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[01:45:55] David Casper: I, I enjoy it all the time and yeah, I'll be the first one up there, you know, [01:46:00] and I'll uh, yeah, send rope stones and then everybody else can, get up and work with me. , and I like steep roofs, just the adrenaline, you know, that I get from it in the high, I'm a little desensitized from it.

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[01:46:17] Jeff Nesbitt: you ever think about getting a wingsuit?

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[01:46:21] Jeff Nesbitt: that. I mean, mountain diving, mountain diving,

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[01:46:28] Jeff Nesbitt: Mark. My words, David, 10 years from now, you're going to be so adrenaline out from roofing.

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[01:46:47] David Casper: Yeah. It's funny to say that. Cause I actually, uh, was looking those up on the internet and like seeing how much they would cost, how much they're like, um, the one that I was looking at, it was like 1200.

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[01:46:59] Jeff Nesbitt: the [01:47:00] nicest one. That's the one I want.

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[01:47:06] Jeff Nesbitt: getting the Amazon recommends.

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[01:47:12] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh, I don't know. The wait. What's a wish,

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[01:47:21] And then when it gets to you, it's like, one third, the size that you

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[01:47:39] David Casper: mean, I would be concerned, you know, but, uh, and I've also, I watch, uh, Uh, strange dark and mysterious, a YouTube channel called, uh, Mr.

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[01:47:59] Jeff Nesbitt: keep you from doing [01:48:00] it. Yeah.

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[01:48:08] And it just gets my adrenaline going. So, but there would be some fear in the back of my mind because I'm not like stupid, you know, I know that there's a danger. So fear is there, fear is a natural response. Like it's not like I'm going up on these rifts and I'm just all like, oh yeah. You know, whatever, you know, cause that's how you get hurt.

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[01:48:29] Jeff Nesbitt: stupid. Arrogance is true. It's skill knowing and experience knowing that like, I know I can traverse this confidently. Yeah.

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[01:48:49] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah, you too. Oh man. What about those? Uh, hang.

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[01:48:57] Jeff Nesbitt: too. I had a guest last week talking about that and he said he will [01:49:00] never do that again. Really? Yeah. He said, they strap you in and then you just go running towards the cliff of basically, and you don't start flying until after you jump off the cliff, because it's the fall, your weight pulling down that creates the lift and gets you back up.

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[01:49:22] David Casper: that made me feel, I guess, a little bit better, you know, I'm a little bit of a control freak, but you know, if somebody is more proficient at something like I'll, you know, give up the reigns and stuff like that, kinda like riding in a, , airplane, commercial aircraft

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[01:49:36] Yeah. You got to let them drive. I can't

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[01:49:46] Jeff Nesbitt: I saw a video of a guy where the, the guide there, the tandem guy that the instructor forgot to strap himself in. And so they're, they're running and they jump off the cliff and then his body just falls and he's hanging on by [01:50:00] one arm and he hangs on for 10 minutes and, um, act, he ends up with a torn bicep, but he makes it back to the ground and survives and the whole thing's recorded.

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[01:50:26] David Casper: I mean, how windy is it up there? Are aren't you able to like communicate?

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[01:50:49] So he doesn't die. Yeah. Well he passed. Yeah, he sure did. Yeah. The one where you're, it's just like a video of a guy on a hand glider and it just looks totally normal. And all of a sudden a [01:51:00] cat just comes climbing down off of the raft.

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[01:51:07] Yeah. Cat's totally

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[01:51:15] David Casper: yeah. You Lance the craft and then, you know, reaches in and grabs it. And the passenger has no idea that the cat was in there. She's like, whoa, where'd this cat come from.

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[01:51:27] All right. That went by quick as always. Yeah. There was so much journey and an honor. Yeah. Do you have anything else you'd like to cover before we get outta here? Uh,

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[01:51:48] Jeff Nesbitt: Okay. We're done. Thank you for doing some improv.

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