Episode 56

The Silent Killer with Alexandra Mack

Published on: 27th November, 2021

In the Season 1 finale, Alexandra Mack (aka Moses) joins Jeff to discuss life, love, and listening to Ramble by the River. They swap stories from growing up on the lower end of the socio-economic spectrum, Alex provides some interesting facts about the history of kidney health in the United States, they both give recipes to some delicious Mexican dishes, and they spend a significant amount of time discussing what they love and what drives them crazy in relationships. Along the way we venture into celebrity crushes, gardening, Oktoberfest, jealousy, weird foods, mental health, and old regrets (specifically, NOT eating a scorpion when offered).

Alex is a clinically-certified hemodialysis technician, an expert bar-tender/mixologist, and an avid listener of this podcast. Since day one, she has been a steady focus-group of one, providing valuable insights and critiques that have helped the show to take shape. I am very grateful to her for her input on a weekly basis and it was great to finally get her opinions on the record. The general tone of this episode is happy, reflective, and fun and I hope that spreads to you listeners as you hear it.

If you have been with us since the beginning, you cannot miss this season wrap-up, and if you are just getting started with Ramble, I hope you will be back next season. It has been a true pleasure to make these 56 episodes for you this year and I can't wait to get started on Season 2!

Don't forget to rate, review, subscribe, and most importantly share!

I love you all!

Talk to you soon,

Jeff

#keepramblin

Topics/Keywords:

Scribner Shunt; new girl energy; mixed-signals; longterm friendships; benefits of small towns; weddings; cemeteries; the occult; Covid-19; kidney health; kidney disease; Bethematch.org; museums; organ transplants; organ donation; heart disease; Glomerular Filtration Rate (GFR); hydration; Kool-aid; Squeeze-it; End-stage Renal Disease (ESRD); Peritoneal Dialysis; Ibuprofen; NSAIDs; chemical tolerance; bioethics; cancer screening; Costco; Lupus; Depression; silent-but-deadly farts; Anxiety; self-care; doing nothing; memory; Hot Pockets; Microwave oven; bargain hunting; finding deals; Craig’s List; 

Ancestry.com; 23andMe.com; gardening; horticulture; cooking; Instant Pot; carnitas; salsa verde; olfaction; canine olfaction; fermentation; fermented foods; kimchi; mold; blonde hair; Oktoberfest; Alone; wilderness survival; heat shock protein; cold therapy; Wim Hoff; Breath-work; Squid Game; Parasite; Netflix; Sex, Love, and Goop; Long Beach Tavern; Karaoke; 

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Links:

BetheMatch.org

Rethinking Rural

Columbia Pacific Heritage Museum

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Music Credit(s):

Still Fly, Revel Day.

Beachy, Gregory David.

Transcript

Mrs. Alexandra Mack

Intro

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[00:00:22] Trying to figure out a place to set up a microphone and a desk. And now look at us. way to go guys, way to go. Ram fam feels pretty good.

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[00:00:50] You don't always see, things can get tense. You're talking about politics, talking about, you know, just whatever, whatever comes up at the dinner table, but it just generally [00:01:00] tends to be. The most controversial topics. I'm not sure how that happened. So I hope you guys survived your Thanksgiving and that you didn't get into any major fights with your family or, you know, , anything like that.

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[00:01:28] it was almost exactly one year ago that I got out here and started building this podcast. We eventually launched in January and it's been a hell of a. It's been a hell of a ride. I really didn't know what I was doing.

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[00:01:50] along the way. I started realizing that it wasn't all about me and it started reaching people and

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[00:02:11] Polished politically correct speech. There's nothing wrong with politically, correct. Politically correct is great if it's the truth, but we're not about sugar coating here. We're not, we're not about framing and twisting things to make it seem like we're better people than we really are. We're just real.

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[00:02:38] I learned a few things this year. Some things that I probably deep down already knew, but it was good to have a challenge in front of me. That was a ineffective teacher. The first one of those things is that I will always be busy. No matter what I like to tell myself that as soon as I'm done with this next big push, I'll get a break.

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[00:03:14] It's just like endless. We're always like, oh God, just, you know, a couple more weeks. And it'll be easier for whatever reason. And it's not true. That's just complete bullshit. It will never get easier unless something terrible happens. Work anymore, or I can't take care of what I'm doing right now. You know, my life has set up this way on purpose.

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[00:03:54] That kind of leads me into the number two lesson I learned my motivation comes in many different forms. Some [00:04:00] of them are immediate motivation that I'm looking for that instant gratification. Some of them are more long-term And it doesn't take just one specific form of motivation to get you from point a to point B. You gotta use whatever fuel you have. sometimes it might be, oh, I just feel like I really need to do something creative. I need some creative expression in this moment. Right now that's immediate gratification, And making a podcast will fill that void.

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[00:04:41] So even if I don't feel like that, it needs to be scratched. I'm still going to go through the process and I'm going to do it. And a lot of it. Just going through that process of doing the creative thing, we'll create that creative spark in me. I might not have felt it at all before I started. And then suddenly as I'm going through the process, I start to feel the juice.

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[00:05:05] Another motivation could be social. Maybe I'm not feeling that creative itch, and I don't know what it's going to do in the longterm or whatever, but I just can't stomach the thought of being a flake. Maybe I just really don't want people to think like, He started a podcast and he can't even keep posting every week.

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[00:05:44] And get them all to coalesce into productivity and consistency, because maybe your moods aren't going to be consistent, but your productivity still can be. It's just not always going to feel the same. Sometimes it's going to feel really easy. Like it was just like bursting out of you and you needed to make it.

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[00:06:17] And it's, it's definitely possible. So that's something I kind of learned, , before the podcast, I hadn't been in a situation where I needed to consistently produce a creative product of any kind, most of the work I had done before this podcast, I could do it, whether I'm in a good mood or not, you know, I could do it, whether my brain is on or off. And this. It's just not something that's really easy to do when I'm in a shitty mood or when I'm just not feeling creative or I'm really exhausted or something, the thoughts just don't flow out.

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[00:06:50] And there have been times in my life where that would have derailed me and would have led me to. But this time, I didn't, I really just pushed through and made [00:07:00] them even on most of the weeks I didn't want to. And it's, it's been a great experience. It's really paid off. I don't even know which of those weeks they are.

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[00:07:20] And once I beat it, it's gone. It'll always come back. But for now it's gone.

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[00:07:47] Public that my emotional state and the way I respond and react to different things is just very different all the time. I kind of knew that about myself. Anyway. I've always been a pretty emotional person, sensitive person, but it's really noticeable [00:08:00] now because I can feel completely fine about a podcast and not be anxious about it at all at all.

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[00:08:28] I don't say horrible things. I'm not out there doing a hateful podcast. I'm all about loving connection. You know, I'm all about the good stuff, trying to focus on what makes us the same, not what divides us. So I don't know what it is, but it's just something about the creative process. To me, something about the act of creating a thing and putting it out there and asking people to connect.

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[00:09:06] I like everybody to let everybody just do what everybody. But alas, I have a podcast and I do want you to hear it. So I got to ask you to listen to it every once in a while, stop being a coward and just put myself out there and it's worth it. Nothing good ever happened from people being little bitches, you know,

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[00:09:54] And this one is just Mrs. Alexandra Mac it's a completely different podcast. Other than we do [00:10:00] double up on a couple of important topics regarding something that's a threat to your life that you're definitely going to want to hear about. If you care about silent killers at all.

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[00:10:21] If you want to contact ramble by the river, you can reach us on social media at ramble, by the river on Instagram and Facebook and at ramble river pod on Twitter. If you want to reach out for guest suggestions or business inquiries, including if you want to send me some free shit and have me post pictures of it, I'm happy to do that for you.

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[00:10:48] I want to give a big, thank you to everybody who has supported ramble by the river. This last year,

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[00:11:05] It's been a process that has brought me a great deal of satisfaction and just. I feel like I'm I know it sounds dumb, but I feel like I'm doing something I'm kind of meant to do. A lot of the time, I feel a constant pressure. Like what I'm doing is wrong.

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[00:11:33] I don't know if that's a good way to describe anxiety or whatever it is I fucking have. I don't know. I just, I have a very constant feeling of. Something's off. Something's not right. You gotta change it, fix it, make it better. And I've always had this feeling. I don't really remember ever not having it.

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[00:12:11] When I'm just like, got my head down, I'm working hard on a job of, of whatever kind. It doesn't even matter. As long as I feel like it has some kind of a meaning to it. Like the work I'm doing is going to bring some kind of a goal closer, whether it's to me or to somebody else, it just needs to produce some value or it just needs to be embedded with meaning.

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[00:12:34] Exercise. That's one of those things that always makes me kind of get out of that mode, meditation that gets me out of the mode, doing these things that are just not always fun, but They're also not horrible to do. Just like things that get you in the zone. They get in that mode where, okay, I'm doing something I'm moving in the right direction. And podcasting has become one of those things for me when I'm feeling anxious and just my head's scrambled. And I'm trying to like [00:13:00] figure it out what it is I'm supposed to do.

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[00:13:18] And when I was younger, I tried a lot of shit that was not good. And those temporary solutions like drugs or bad relationships or any. These risky behaviors, not good as I've aged. I've learned that those are not sustainable solutions. And I have to find other things that are still going to give me that dopamine and keep me on the right track.

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[00:13:58] And podcasting has become a [00:14:00] very reliable way for me to do that, to kind of harness that energy and push it in a direction that brings me some better.

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[00:14:22] I'm trying to do all those fancy woo words that everybody. You know, hate to hear because it makes them feel like they're not doing it themselves, but deep down, we all know we want those things. We want to be the best version of ourselves, even if it sounds silly and cliche, it's true. How could it not be true?

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[00:14:55] Ramble by the river is supported by the generous contributions of our listeners [00:15:00] via a subscription model through Patreon.com/ramble by the river subscribers Are entitled to exclusive episodes, bonus content, all kinds of things like that. Plus a t-shirt if you're a Royal rambler and that's how we pay for the show, that's how we pay for a web hosting and music and licensing and all that kind of stuff it is paid for by you. So thank you so much if you're an existing Patreon subscriber and thank you in advance to any of our new subscribers, shout out to Alexandra, Matt.

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[00:15:42] Rather than downloading the app and trying to search for me through there, go to Patreon.com/ramble by the river, or go to ramble by the river.com and click the link to the Patreon. Either one of those will take you right to the landing page, where you can sign up for the Patreon ramble by the river, choose your subscription tier and enter your [00:16:00] information.

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[00:16:06] You can find all this information@ramblebytheriver.com, which is continuously being updated and you'll get the most recent episodes links. If you want to just leave a regular donation without access to the Patriot. And you can do that there. I don't know why anyone would do that. Don't do that. That's not worth it.

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[00:16:37] My guest today is Alexandra Mack, AKA Alexandra, Moses,

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[00:17:03] If it caught the episode last week, you already know she's an interesting person. She's got great stories, great questions. And she's been a fan of rambled by the river since day one. She's been one of the most important people as far as shaping the show because she provides me with regular feedback.

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[00:17:24] Thank you so much, Melissa. I was really, really scared to do this podcast mostly because I didn't want you to think I was stupid or wasting my time or embarrassment or anything like that. I don't want you to think any of those things and you've been really supportive and I appreciate it.

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[00:17:56] I also want to thank my parents and for different reasons. [00:18:00] Dad, thank you so much for making me a strong. Thank you so much for really everything you've given me, you've prepared me for this world in ways that I would have not really ever been able to predict, but thank you for that. Thank you for protecting me from threats.

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[00:18:23] I've had. Lots of internal struggles about how to handle that stuff. But I think in the end truth is where it's at. Truth is going to lead to the best solution, the best outcome possible. So that's where I'm going and I'm going to keep doing it. So thank you for letting the uncomfortable truths of our past sometimes come out.

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[00:18:43] so thank you for letting the uncomfortable truths of our past. Sometimes. In an attempt to heal and move forward. Cause that shit is uncomfortable. That's a tough process. And it's one that you are just a victim to. I don't know, victim's not the right word, but when you're [00:19:00] just a passive observer too.

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[00:19:21] So thanks for being a good dad

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[00:19:32] The truth is thank you for making me a person with some morals. I think something I really strive for on this show is to be a genuinely good person. And that means being honest. That means sometimes I'm shitty about stuff, but I don't do it on purpose. I try to avoid hurting people at any opportunity I can get.

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[00:20:01] You made me a man. Who's not afraid of love. So thank you.

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[00:20:25] I'm going to take the month of December off. So I won't be posting any new, full episodes. There may be bonus content that comes out on the Patreon. We'll see. Most likely there will be. And yeah, come back in the new year.

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[00:20:53] And if you really think somebody would like to show, share it with them, go tell them about it. That's how things really get moving. Word of mouth [00:21:00] without further ado. Please welcome my guest today, straight from starvation alley, the silent killer, the lovely and talented Alexandra Mac.

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[00:00:18] Jeff Nesbitt: All right go ahead I don't know You seem like talk at normal speed Yeah Do you think about your pace of speech while you're talking

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[00:00:43] Jeff Nesbitt: Yes there definitely is I

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[00:00:52] Jeff Nesbitt: Did you really? Yeah. You seemed pissed.

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[00:01:16] so when you showed up with Alex, it was like, hell yeah, come on. In one of my best friends, I'm not going to kick him out. I figured he was your support animal and which I'm sure to some extent he was. And then, we got into it and it became kind of a Alex and Alex episode. And after an hour of that, it's like, we're already in it.

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[00:01:47] Alexandra Mack: yeah, when I ask for a beer, that's when I realized that Alex isn't leaving and I'm like, all right, I'm going to kick back. Just get it, mate. Let it, let it be. Yeah, [00:02:00] no, I had a great time.

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[00:02:11] Jeff Nesbitt: I wouldn't say piss, but I would go back and forth at sometimes. I was like, okay. I'm trying to facilitate making sure you had him here for you and all that. And then I'd be like, oh, maybe she actually just wanted me to kick him out. cause she's the guest and I'm the host and I'm supposed to do that

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[00:02:38] Jeff Nesbitt: I mean, he's a pleasure to have around.

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[00:02:57] And I would

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[00:02:59] Alexandra Mack: [00:03:00] speaking of things pronounced wrong, I do all the time. And one of them during our episode was Scribner. I kept saying scribe Scribner.

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[00:03:13] Alexandra Mack: No Scribner was the Scribner shunt.

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[00:03:22] Alexandra Mack: I couldn't believe I said that wrong. Like I could, I could definitely believe it, but once I heard it again, I was like, oh boy. Yeah.

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[00:03:33] Jeff Nesbitt: we recording? We talk and we're recording. I'm just trying to figure out why this is coming in. So quiet, but you know, it's probably good because the rain is starting to pick up. So I'm not going to worry about it. It's all working, but

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[00:03:51] Jeff Nesbitt: ABC.

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[00:03:58] Alexandra Mack: the peninsula.

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[00:04:03] what

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[00:04:06] Jeff Nesbitt: yeah,

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[00:04:20] Oh really?

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[00:04:22] Alexandra Mack: little bit. I think they were out of power for, um,

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[00:04:28] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. My mom didn't have power for quite a while.

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[00:04:31] Alexandra Mack: sort of prepared. We had some clean water in the refrigerator and we have lots of candles scattered throughout the house and

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[00:04:40] We have a generator. I couldn't picture you not having a generator with your little homestead.

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[00:04:47] fire. Oh

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[00:04:51] sorry the mic is making me paranoid. It nothing worse than finishing a podcast and then go to check the audio and being like, oh my God, it sounds like no, I'll make

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[00:05:00] I can't come back a third time. I know it goes well, I could come back a third time. It'd be the luckiest.

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[00:05:09] That would mean that this was a good podcast.

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[00:05:12] Alexandra Mack: Yeah. If you ever want to start a segment, ask Alex, let me know. I

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[00:05:20] Everything is a

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[00:05:29] Alexandra Mack: Do you feel like season two will be more organized?

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[00:05:32] I would like it to be a little bit more, just more streamlined where I have like a workflow

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[00:05:41] I'm kind of tired of doing that. It takes a lot of time and I, I could probably make it happen, but

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[00:05:49] Jeff Nesbitt: more. Yeah. More. Yeah. Cool.

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[00:05:54] and to do that, you have to

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[00:06:06] And who's not like, I, I really wouldn't have expected some of the ones that did well to do so. Well. I like Shirazi. For example, that was a hard one for me to edit.

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[00:06:15] really seem to like it. And he's, he's an interesting dude.

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[00:06:23] You had like a little blurb. Look forward to this and you put a little something, something in the episode before, maybe two episodes before, and that caught my attention. It was just kind of like a, like a movie trailer makes you excited for something so that I looked forward to it, knowing what was coming.

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[00:06:49] Jeff Nesbitt: have a little teaser. Yeah.

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[00:06:53] I think the episode is great. It was really fun. And she's really funny.

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[00:07:00] made

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[00:07:08] Jeff Nesbitt: in journalism, journalism.

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[00:07:11] accomplished person.

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[00:07:33] Does your mom still live around here? My mom lives in Kelso.

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[00:07:38] a lot of money for their home. Right now. It's not for sale, but people keep asking down here and Kelso.

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[00:07:49] Alexandra Mack: a long time.

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[00:07:51] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. That's right. I was living in those beach cabins on 204th and we smoked weed together that one time.

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[00:08:02] Jeff Nesbitt: Definitely. I don't play guitar. So if I did that's that's impressive. Might've been trying to impress me. I did not pick up a guitar and try to play something.

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[00:08:15] Alexandra Mack: No, nothing ever came of that. I think you just came over to be friendly. And I was like, I'm learning to play as a guitar and you acted like you knew some.

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[00:08:29] I remember not knowing if that was supposed to be a romantic encounter or not and mixed signals. Yeah. That's me. It was exactly what it was, but it didn't matter either way. ,

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[00:08:44] So it was probably for the best.

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[00:08:54] Jeff Nesbitt: girl.

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[00:08:57] Alexandra Mack: And I know it well.

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[00:09:02] Alexandra Mack: I was the new girl,

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[00:09:04] Jeff Nesbitt: that must've been hard.

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[00:09:08] puts a toll on long-term friendships. I think that was discussed in one of your podcasts before maybe Kim, pat, and actually about how he moved around a lot. And you miss out on those memories that a lot of you small towners have here in a walkout that is so precious going from pre-K to graduating with each other.

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[00:09:42] Jeff Nesbitt: Also, you have some friends who have been with you

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[00:09:45] the girls in your wedding, the women in your wedding. Uh, I knew them from way back in the day

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[00:09:50] when did you meet them?

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[00:10:13] Congratulations. Congratulations, Ashley. This which is getting hitched. We're having it on Halloween night.

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[00:10:24] Alexandra Mack: bachelorette. No, it'd be crazy. Yeah. But they're having it on November 13th and they chose the 13th because it's a spooky numbs or Friday.

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[00:10:34] Alexandra Mack: But someday it'll be on the 13th or anniversary or something.

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[00:10:43] Alexandra Mack: in the wedding. it's in trap Dale, I think. Oh, Dale. Yeah, that should be fun. And this weekend we're all dressing up like goth people and, or I guess we have Gothic freedom, I should say.

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[00:11:07] Jeff Nesbitt: What if you accidentally wake the dead? Just trying to, you know, have a goof. It

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[00:11:15] Jeff Nesbitt: that kind of stuff. ,

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[00:11:21] I'm, I'm afraid I'll accidentally like awaken some kind of evil.

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[00:11:37] Alexandra Mack: won't touch of those.

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[00:11:42] It's just like, nah, to, to, uh, cause it's it's what if it really worked and you're in your like accessing some, what if it is like you laugh, but you never know. We don't know what the fuck is going

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[00:12:01] Jeff Nesbitt: or? I do like it. Yeah. I like to look at the dates for some reason, trying to find the oldest ones.

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[00:12:08] Alexandra Mack: Cemeteries are beautiful.

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[00:12:21] It was weird.

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[00:12:31] there's just this little gate and it's like dark in there cause it's completely canopy forest deep woods. And there's like 15 or 20 gravestones just in a little circle out off of this road.

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[00:12:45] So who knows

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[00:12:51] Jeff Nesbitt: I have a feeling, it was people who died. It's been a while now, but I think it was, they all had like 19 18, 19, 19 death years.

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[00:13:08] Alexandra Mack: Can we have a lot

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[00:13:17] It's like, ,

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[00:13:23] Alexandra Mack: Yeah. The people are dying. And to tie that in with maybe another topic we could talk about a little bit is kidney disease. We, yeah, I think I might've said this in the last podcast,

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[00:13:38] Alexandra Mack: about their kidneys. So something does need to be heard twice, but while I'm thinking about it, did you know that I signed up for be the match?

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[00:14:16] Jeff Nesbitt: Cool. Yeah.

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[00:14:18] Jeff Nesbitt: support it. I want to support it. I like it.

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[00:14:22] and also I'm a little offended that I'm not in it,

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[00:14:29] Jeff Nesbitt: let us know. Yeah. She was always talking about all the, you know, the youth of our community and how they're making changes.

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[00:14:35] Alexandra Mack: the

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[00:14:38] Jeff Nesbitt: She's a busy person

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[00:14:44] Jeff Nesbitt: easy. Listen. And I actually really think that she would do great in podcasting. Like I've thought about asking her to do a segment on my show about history, like where she just comes in every once in a while and just does like a 15 minute blurb about historical stuff from around here.[00:15:00]

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[00:15:12] Alexandra Mack: me. I'm getting old too. Cause I really do.

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[00:15:16] Alexandra Mack: cool. Our town is interesting, so interesting and rich, and this is going to sound bad, but.

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[00:15:29] Jeff Nesbitt: really got to go back when I was younger. I didn't even realize that it was like open to the public. I thought it was just like some old spooky building with a train, but yeah, they like want you to go a lot of places like that to me seem exclusive, like, and that's just probably bad marketing.

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[00:16:02] It's like my favorite thing to do is wander around

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[00:16:06] Alexandra Mack: Wow. Yeah. have you been with your kids? Actually, I know you have, cause there's that weird almond seed story about you being a chaperone?

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[00:16:31] one or two instances of theft, petty theft, minor theft. And just like that we were

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[00:16:40] I would kind of flip because I'd be out of control. Right. But I wasn't in charge. I was the bottom rung. You're just

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[00:16:57] That's the second time, now that you've referenced the podcast that I listened to [00:17:00] today that you did not hear.

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[00:17:03] Alexandra Mack: really interesting premonition Madeline also, and handling,

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[00:17:12] Alexandra Mack: Yeah. Well, okay. Let me talk to you about kidneys, kidney out.

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[00:17:40] You can have dialysis, or you can have a transplant, but , your kidney needs help.

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[00:17:49] Alexandra Mack: well,

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[00:17:54] You have to go three days a week. I would take the transplant [00:18:00] too, but so many people aren't eligible. Another thing about transplants is we're an opt in country versus an opt out country. So we have to sign up to be an organ donor versus going out of our way to not be an organ donor. And I think in those opt-out countries, you have to have a specific reason as to why you're opting out.

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[00:18:32] donors, like a high rate of that. Whereas the us is not good. I don't want to

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[00:18:46] Alexandra Mack: And in America we have so many people waiting for a transplant.

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[00:18:56] And the people on the transplant list, they're trying, man, they're keeping

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[00:19:04] disease goes, these people are keeping their

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[00:19:10] And they're not

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[00:19:13] During their cycles and they're just doing everything they can to prove that they deserve this kidney. And I wish more people would give them an opportunity ,

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[00:19:24] Seriously. Yeah. Can you, disease is recognized as a public health crisis and it's affecting 15% of the population about one in seven people, 18 and older, and it's the ninth leading cause of death in the us.

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[00:19:40] Jeff Nesbitt: more about it? You barely ever hear

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[00:19:52] Jeff Nesbitt: is it? Cause it's just kills you slower

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[00:20:04] You really have to go out of your way and ask your doctor for a kidney screening, which includes you're an implied sample. So it's really easy, but it's something that you have to ask for,

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[00:20:19] are they checking my kidneys too? Or, or I imagine they would be, but do I have to ask for a special kidney test? Gosh,

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[00:20:35] Jeff Nesbitt: but. What

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[00:20:41] Never heard of it. Yeah. So I just asked what my GFR was. It came back normal. I don't remember what my numbers were. She just kind of told me over the phone, but I'm sure I could get online and check that out. So yeah, someone could go to the doctor and ask them what their GFR is and they're just going to take a little blood sample, like normal.

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[00:21:02] Alexandra Mack: them out of the garbage. I feel like you're in your area and your creatine levels. Is there two really good?

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[00:21:14] Alexandra Mack: what they are.

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[00:21:21] Jeff Nesbitt: good. Finally, somebody has given me some credits. I've been doing it since I was a teenager.

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[00:21:39] Help your body out. Have some more water.

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[00:21:51] Just had my first glass of water in six years. I still hate it. I don't know how people drink this shit.

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[00:22:18] Jeff Nesbitt: Kool-Aid is something we don't really drink anymore as a

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[00:22:22] I just think of red dye. Yeah. It's

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[00:22:33] Alexandra Mack: you. And then there was like that plastic bottle that the Kool-Aid man, those were the cool ones. Or they had the twist tap.

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[00:22:50] But yeah, everybody wanted them. Yeah. Agreed. Yeah. They had little breakaway tabs on the top. Shout out squeezes.

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[00:23:17] So I think we should all be aware in America that renal refers to kidney. Yeah. Why aren't people aware of that? I don't know, but everyone else is. Yeah. I read a small article once about how. Going to start changing it in America because we just can't get behind the word renal and how Americans just, ah,

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[00:23:36] Alexandra Mack: Yeah. Yeah, totally. It's that's so strange to me.

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[00:23:44] Alexandra Mack: E S R D End

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[00:23:55] Yeah. We have an old population

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[00:23:59] [00:24:00] people aren't doing their preventative care.

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[00:24:15] which means it's not versus slowly it's happened. Fastly Fastly rapidly. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Um, okay.

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[00:24:45] Jeff Nesbitt: I will, yeah. Check it out. Kidney museum. Yeah,

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[00:24:49] Alexandra Mack: Goodness. That's what dialysis is. Yeah. So we're going to hook you up with a couple of needles. One that's taking blood out and it's going to get circulated through a [00:25:00] machine and a filter, which the filter is going to be your artificial kidney.

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[00:25:20] So this cup of tea that we're having right now, that's going to stay in my body until someone filters it out. We only recommend about 32 ounces of liquid a day for

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[00:25:33] Alexandra Mack: So it's the opposite. It's like, so opposite of what you think healthy living would be because they don't want you to have dairy too much phosphorus.

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[00:25:42] nuts or whole grains, too much potassium. They don't want you to drink water because you're just going to retain water. And that's what we're trying to get off of you. Wow.

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[00:25:59] Alexandra Mack: Yeah.

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[00:26:05] in centers. So ,

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[00:26:13] Peritoneal dialysis. It's a tube that goes in your stomach and you use natural forces to circulate everything out of your body and that you can do at home.

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[00:26:45] Jeff Nesbitt: man. I don't want that.

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[00:26:53] some are really hard drug users, meth and heroin, for example, or [00:27:00] popping those over the counter drugs, stay away from ibuprofen guys.

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[00:27:05] Jeff Nesbitt: I don't use that stuff unless I have to good. I've always

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[00:27:13] stomach. Lining gives you leaky gut, things like that. And I was like, oh, it doesn't really work that great. I'm not going to keep

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[00:27:21] Just pop them like candy. It's strange.

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[00:27:30] Alexandra Mack: Or maybe yeah. You're building up that tolerance.

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[00:27:38] Take them all the time. They prescribed me a whole bunch of pills when I was 17. It was probably not a good idea.

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[00:27:50] So something else about

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[00:27:59] And [00:28:00] there were seven people on this committee and they got to choose who lived or died. So we're talking about bioethics. And I think that ties in with what's happening today with these hospitals that are being overfilled with patients. And who do you think?

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[00:28:38] Jeff Nesbitt: yeah that's cool It sounds very intense

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[00:28:58] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah Cover the whole gamut

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[00:29:00] Jeff Nesbitt: I am so paranoid about dirty lenses just cause I take a lot of pictures

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[00:29:16] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah I really can't think of a better person

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[00:29:34] Jeff Nesbitt: He told me to go get I for something on my eyes I was like dude it's a zit Yeah

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[00:30:11] Jeff Nesbitt: What's going on in that building

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[00:30:15] Jeff Nesbitt: I remember when they started putting in a foundation to build that building I was like oh my gosh there's a new restaurant coming in Finally we're getting a five guys is no dialysis center And I was like oh fuck Never thought about the place again until you started working there I was like oh shit that place Yeah that's right There's a dialysis place here

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[00:30:42] Jeff Nesbitt: That sucks three days a week Yeah That's your life like That's

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[00:30:53] Jeff Nesbitt: A lot of times we don't have anything Like you have to go to the city for good shopping or it's getting better though Like the fact that [00:31:00] there's a Walmart within an hour now grown up here you had Fred Meyer I mean I lived in ocean park so an hour away from my house And other than that it's just like the local grocery store where everything's twice as expensive as it should be And it's just like man but it's a little bit better now Also I have a car now so I don't care as much And I like driving Yeah But people go from like south bend Raymond all the way to Warrenton for shopping I see people that I know from work that are like out in Menlo and I'll see them at Costco You drove two hours to get diapers in bulk Yes

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[00:31:39] Jeff Nesbitt: age I've seen you at Costco many times

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[00:31:48] Jeff Nesbitt: They got wait what

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[00:32:03] Jeff Nesbitt: C I I never even have had one of those I used to get the Polish dog every time Yeah I don't even know what I would do if I got there and they didn't have it I throw it back in his face

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[00:32:14] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah they're great Oh man Those little sauerkraut cups they would give you nothing better You get to

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[00:32:23] Jeff Nesbitt: you You smell it in your hair It's in your clothes Yeah Yeah Did you get the deli mustard or regular or none

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[00:32:33] Jeff Nesbitt: I like a spicy mustard I'm different now though than me

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[00:32:49] Jeff Nesbitt: weird food

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[00:32:50] Jeff Nesbitt: urchin Have you had it I've never had it but I really want to try

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[00:32:57] Jeff Nesbitt: Well that's the part that you're eating So I that [00:33:00] makes sense Isn't that like the the genitals or digestive tract or something of this Yergin I don't know Doesn't look good but I do want to eat it because fancy people tell me it's good

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[00:33:29] Jeff Nesbitt: want to let you get to

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[00:33:49] Jeff Nesbitt: Good job Yeah no throwing up in restaurants is a big no-no It was out of respect Yeah That's pretty impressive that you can hold in vomit out of respect [00:34:00] You're a very respectful person I don't think I could do a I have my moments Yeah

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[00:34:06] Um I just wanted to mention a couple of celebrities and athletes with kidney disease This includes Nick cannon Nick

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[00:34:18] Alexandra Mack: Nick candy Yeah With lupus Oh man Lupus is an in flammatory disease caused when the immune system attacks its own tissues causing damage to organs Sounds rough Yeah One type specifically the kidneys Sorry Nick cannon How about Griswold Chapman from 30 rock Do you know him Me neither but I hear that's a good child Good

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[00:34:41] Alexandra Mack: Hypertension How about Selena Gomez You know her I do know who that is She got a kidney transplant but she had lupus as well

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[00:34:53] Jeff Nesbitt: is a good comedian

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[00:35:09] Jeff Nesbitt: You're going to see a train Whoa

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[00:35:28] Jeff Nesbitt: should you hear that People go take care of yourself God sake Also there's a lot of silent killers out there They pretty much say that about any disease that doesn't make a loud noise Yeah I've heard Cancer renal disease kidney disease renal failure I've heard it about a stinky real stinky farts that you can't hear I've heard it about so many things but poverty you know the silent killer depression silent killer Dave I know

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[00:36:02] Jeff Nesbitt: my least favorite topic on the show but I talk about it all the time because it's affecting almost everybody Like everybody gets depressed I mean not really but everybody says they do real depression is a lot less glamorous than like attention grabbing depression I've had both and uh the kind where you just want people's attention really You're you're really lonely and that's making you depressed And then as soon as you get that attention it goes away It's not real depression Sometimes it doesn't matter What's going on in your life it's just like a wet blanket You just have to where is your clothes Just like this isn't even close It's a blanket It doesn't feel right

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[00:36:44] Jeff Nesbitt: Do you get depressed

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[00:36:49] I get lazy I think I'm more lazy when I'm depressed Oh for sure Yeah Yeah And I don't like being lazy and then it turns into Gill and then [00:37:00] shame Cause you didn't accomplish anything that day Yeah But I'm pretty good at turning that into that was called self care I didn't do anything all day on purpose Yeah

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[00:37:27] Alexandra Mack: nor the lawn tree because it made me feel better

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[00:38:07] Alexandra Mack: you doing

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[00:38:13] Alexandra Mack: It really ups it upsets Alex that I can go somewhere without my phone Oh really I don't know if I should say upset it he marvels at it I suppose He's just like well did you did you bring your phone We'll get in the car on bag Um no actually let me go get my phone You should go get your phone He wants me to have it It's yeah

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[00:38:47] Jeff Nesbitt: totally You do it um in an investigatory way or you that are you that wife Nope Will you

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[00:39:05] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah Yeah I think so too Yeah The phone boundary is actually really important to me in my first marriage it wasn't there and it was just like constant stress like cause it wouldn't have to be we didn't have a good relationship looking at porn Well she didn't want me interacting professionally with female women Like Hey we're working on this project together Do you think you could send me these files Who is this Like that kind of thing It's like oh well this bitch is a 57 year old professional and

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[00:39:43] Jeff Nesbitt: But now in my marriage is we don't really Snoop on each other Like I don't care who she's talking to because I trust her It's not an issue and it's so much better I don't like the jealousy thing is huge turnoff for me It's I hate it really really [00:40:00] bothers

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[00:40:13] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh you feel it I was going to ask them not enough to act on it Yeah but I yeah no I was going to ask that because Alex is like a notorious for his flattery He's very good at it And it makes people feel good everywhere He goes but I could some girls women I don't know why I keep doing that Some women would not like that he lays it on pretty thick

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[00:41:32] Jeff Nesbitt: yeah It's is it's really special Yeah That's such a mature outlook to have because you're right It really does bless people Like you leave feeling better about yourself even when you know it's bullshit. It still makes me feel better you like nice things

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[00:42:14] Jeff Nesbitt: Alex Did the cat look like DNA or did she like cats

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[00:42:35] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah Confusion Maybe not It is a cat but

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[00:42:43] Jeff Nesbitt: good Good good I liked the name I've always liked the

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[00:42:52] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah very

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[00:42:57] Jeff Nesbitt: I don't know if I've ever talked to her but I don't [00:43:00] think I would want to to pretty

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[00:43:02] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah gorgeous

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[00:43:07] to

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[00:43:31] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah And they made like a lot like 10 of them

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[00:43:36] Jeff Nesbitt: Just enough If anything they should make a few more Uh the have you seen CJ and errands baby

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[00:43:45] Jeff Nesbitt: right That's where I saw the baby I figured you were busy No I saw

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[00:43:54] Jeff Nesbitt: Gabe

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[00:44:22] Alexandra Mack: Or a couple of walks in and you remember one name or not the other And you're like Hey guys Yeah

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[00:44:31] Alexandra Mack: I do I do deal with that at the restaurant a lot I'm bad with names There's a lot of you and want to me and people are bad with names too You know I get it all the time where they go Hey are you new And it'll be a local And I'll be like no I've worked here for 11 years Thanks for noticing

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[00:44:52] Alexandra Mack: I don't know what it is

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[00:44:58] Alexandra Mack: it Um [00:45:00] gosh I don't know how that happened but I'll tell you what if you want to keep someone in the friend zone just look for someone with the same name as you because you can't fathom being in a relationship

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[00:45:12] Alexandra Mack: him I did but I had no idea that it was going to happen Yeah You

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[00:45:21] Alexandra Mack: I've I've mentioned before but the first time I saw Alex was at a football game and IHS football game he sat behind me and I was like well who's that guy with those gorgeous lips Ooh And that accent What accent Well Paraphrasing something his father or

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[00:45:52] Alexandra Mack: I've seen into the future Yeah It's a really nice hug and a kiss on the [00:46:00] cheek

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[00:46:03] Alexandra Mack: That's good Yeah I

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[00:46:31] Alexandra Mack: bet Yeah Yeah We got a nice microwave It's used you know like everything else we have

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[00:46:45] Alexandra Mack: Macks don't deal They steal

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[00:46:53] Alexandra Mack: but it just seems like everything they get is too good But Alex puts in the time for these things He's on [00:47:00] Craig's list He's on uh I don't know He has so many of these apps that he's going through And then one day after months of checking every single day he'll find this one thing he needed for way less than it should be

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[00:47:17] Alexandra Mack: Like motorcycle parts just anything He just got a new boat Did you see this boat What kind of boat down I'm gonna ask me that What does it do I think it's a fishing boat

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[00:47:36] Alexandra Mack: from the rain it doesn't cover you from the rain now Okay

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[00:47:45] Alexandra Mack: built in steering Yeah And then there's a chair down here where you stare and then there's a chair up here but he's going to take that one down I suppose Cool Flat

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[00:47:57] Alexandra Mack: No no no It's too big I think that's for [00:48:00] going out on the bay

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[00:48:18] Alexandra Mack: I bet that was so much fun Alex is so much fun He's my favorite person

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[00:48:32] Alexandra Mack: active person I

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[00:48:44] Alexandra Mack: fun guy to be around we will never run out of things to talk about And doesn't matter if we end up living to a hundred I'm going to be sitting there pee in my pants Laughing

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[00:49:00] Alexandra Mack: Good question We might We might not now but we're not against it by any means you

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[00:49:11] Alexandra Mack: No but guess what Instagram is Showing me fertility ads Oh I guess it's time to get to

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[00:49:22] Alexandra Mack: ask you So I've done my ancestry.com Do you advise doing the 23 knee instead

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[00:49:49] Alexandra Mack: It was by percentages or just it was a pretty vague overview 33% this 30% that and it was many years [00:50:00] ago Lanie Kary shout out Lanie Kary got me that kit for my birthday or Christmas or something Really cool gift It is a cool gift Yeah She she did that because I don't know who my biological dad is And not that I'm looking to figure that out but it was cool to break it down Um

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[00:50:23] Alexandra Mack: Like am I going to find him genetically

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[00:50:30] Alexandra Mack: but I would have to compare it to my mom's Right I don't know Huh It didn't know It did not give me a breakdown of my mom and my dad I think 23 and me That's what I'm wondering if I can get something that would be a little bit more

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[00:50:49] Alexandra Mack: was years ago before 23 me was that thing Oh yeah Ancestry was the only

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[00:51:16] Alexandra Mack: in 23 and me as a swab

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[00:51:44] Alexandra Mack: Yeah Yeah Black Friday

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[00:51:49] Did you do garden this year

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[00:51:57] Jeff Nesbitt: the year before last Right That you got really into it [00:52:00]

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[00:53:05] Jeff Nesbitt: to differ You are passionate about kidneys I see the passion

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[00:53:22] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah Yeah That's terrifying

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[00:53:40] Jeff Nesbitt: That sucks Yeah Yeah So preventative is the better

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[00:53:57] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah I would guess you'd be a good cook [00:54:00] What's your favorite thing to make

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[00:55:01] Jeff Nesbitt: oh gosh We we pretty much make that exact same thing That's my go-to meal That's so good And it's not super complicated but everybody's not making it like it's a good

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[00:55:23] Jeff Nesbitt: Nice Yeah I make this salsa I'm going to share the recipe right now but it's I make it out of tomatillos So it's green salsa and I do like 10 average size Tennis ball sized tomatillos and then a whole red onion sweet red onion and three Serrano peppers a whole bulb of garlic like all the clothes busted up open and just left in the wrapper so that when they cook they don't get all scorched Um and so I put all that stuff into a big bowl cover it with olive oil and salt and pepper and toss it all around And it laid out on a cookie [00:56:00] sheet and put it under the broiler for like five minutes until it all gets charred just a little bit It starts smelling really really good about this time And because you got garlic in there onions and the peppers and it's all covered in olive oil So it's all getting

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[00:56:17] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah that would be terrible Oh man What if it like cause that happens for COVID What if it just never comes

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[00:56:36] Jeff Nesbitt: dogs Not only I know everyone knows dogs have great sense of smell They have like a whole nother little extra brain in the front of their face That's just designated for smell the olfactory cortex better for worse It's crazy But if you look at it a dog inside of their head it looks very different than a human but a large portion of that is just for smelling Dog's basically see through time it's like a time machine [00:57:00] vision because like think about if you left footprints everywhere you go Think about snow a brand new snowy day See um everybody leaves footprints and you can kind of see like that Person's not there right now but they left the track So you could see through time a little bit dogs can do that all the time They like they can go to a busy town square and figure out who's been there Just like it's crazy hundreds of people they can distinguish between hundreds of people's sense and figure out one specific scent It's pretty amazing It is amazing Yeah we got we got sidetracked Where was I before dogs

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[00:57:38] Jeff Nesbitt: my God I almost forgot to tell you how to finish the salsa

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[00:57:45] just in case any of you are actually going to try to make this delicious salsa Verde. You should know. There are a couple other ingredients. So after you pull that stuff out of the oven and go to dump it in the food processor, you want to also combine it [00:58:00] with one medium-sized ripe avocado, a good, healthy handful of cilantro.

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[00:58:30] Alexandra Mack:

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[00:58:35] Jeff Nesbitt: So right away it's pretty good but much much better 24 hours later

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[00:58:43] Jeff Nesbitt: Next day Yeah And then one time I forgot it was in the fridge and I just left it there for like two months No and I pulled it out and Smells pretty good And I was like ah this was fresh food And it's looking it's a different color now but it's a [00:59:00] little fizzy so I don't know but I'm going to try it And I ate it and it was delicious best ever It was actually fizzy It tasted like Mexican kimchi which I love I like fermented foods a lot so it was it was good and I did it on accident So I've been tempted to try it on purpose Like make a batch and age it let it ferment and then

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[00:59:25] Jeff Nesbitt: what would you consider weird eating the mold or not eating the mold

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[00:59:37] Jeff Nesbitt: sure Me too Cheese bread Sure Um vegetables are are pretty much vegetables too Some of them change the flavor of the whole fruit though Like strawberries If you get a strawberry that has a moldy spot on it and you cut that moldy spot off the rest of the strawberries still tastes like mold Um but piece of bread no Plus they're like that the fruiting body of the [01:00:00] mold is not the whole mold There's still like I would guess actually I don't know if that's true because mold is not a mushroom but I don't know I would think there's some kind of a mycelium No That like the organism is producing inside the food And then the fruiting body is like mushrooms Like the fruiting bodies just what pops out Um so you're probably still eating mold but we like mold blue cheese is delicious

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[01:00:31] Jeff Nesbitt: you don't pick the mold off No I have oh my God

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[01:00:46] Jeff Nesbitt: You know how sometimes you'll see there's moldy bread in your cabinet and instead of just throwing it away right Then you just leave it there and go on with your life I had a bag of bagels in my cabinet One time and bagels are like kind of [01:01:00] a moist food They go back quick Damn they do And these were everything bagels And so yeah so they had lots of different shit on them Lots of stuff that can go bad And my ex wife and her friend showed up to my house and it was late I could hear them in the kitchen and just like annoyed and I walked out there and her friend was eating something in the dark I don't know if they were doing Based on the story It seems like they probably were and they got the munchies

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[01:01:34] Jeff Nesbitt: I never really paid attention to what she was eating and I just heard her commenting on it because I wasn't really paying attention to her at all Anyway And she's like what is this on this bagel And I was like there everything bagels it's everything And uh so she's like are you sure And I was like yeah yeah I was irritated And I was honestly I wasn't trying to be malicious or anything but I did it [01:02:00] I knew they were moldy ahead of time I did not serve it to her but she ate three quarters of that thing and then set it down on the counter And in the morning I came out and looked and saw that it was just completely covered in mold And it was just like crumbling mold mold all over the outside of it fully covered And she ate that whole thing Can

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[01:02:23] Jeff Nesbitt: she's already gone It was just a memory just for me

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[01:02:35] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah I have zero hard feelings whatsoever about my marriage It's like sometimes when I talk about it It's difficult because I'm like I don't want it to come off Like I'm bitter I'm really not

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[01:02:53] yeah Ignoring your true feelings

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[01:03:02] Alexandra Mack: like you guys came to the roo afterwards or something or

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[01:03:15] Alexandra Mack: Yeah You made me feel uncomfortable A lot of people in the room make me feel uncomfortable Oh my gosh If you guys are not having a good day a good relationship day maybe someone can answer this Why are you going out

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[01:03:38] Alexandra Mack: our phones And I go over and I'm trying to like be a beat and I just walked in on something that I didn't want to be

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[01:03:46] Alexandra Mack: like I'm ready And she's just like

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[01:03:49] Alexandra Mack: okay she's not ready I'm going to take a circle I'll be back soon

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[01:03:56] Alexandra Mack: Yeah Yeah Yeah You have to be a lot of people

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[01:04:02] Alexandra Mack: I would say there's more good than there are bad

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[01:04:12] Alexandra Mack: I I've worked at the roof for 11 years on and off Right And I would say I love it more now than ever I'm working there just one day a week on Thursdays for prime rib shout out last RW prime rib 4:00 PM And after until we run out and I just I love the walking in and walking out and having an entire week to forget how horrible people are Yeah And coming in with a fresh face And I just smile and I'm a B and I just really enjoy being a part of the community and seeing people that I haven't seen And it's a nice change from the dialysis center where I'm around people who are dying who are frustrated who kind of use you as a punching [01:05:00] bag sometimes

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[01:05:03] Alexandra Mack: How do I handle that Well I think Alex gets a lot of the brunt you know I come home and I can yeah Talk about my feelings for a long time Like you know I just really felt undervalued today You would think that there's this person's dying and they would not talk to me in such a rude way or so anyways Yeah I talk a lot of it out with Alex and and the Thursdays Thursdays at the Ru Yeah I like to go there and I like to see you all smiling I have a lot of good memories there I see people's children go from babies to middle school kids now and stuff like that I think I was there the night that you and Melissa met you probably were Yeah I think that was a going away party

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[01:05:51] Alexandra Mack: there Yeah I had platinum blonde hair and everyone asked me why I did that because Alex had just been with a blonde [01:06:00] like was I like you know trying to resemble her No I wasn't but I wanted to be a blonde at some point before I was 30 like a platinum blonde And I was like I'm going to regret not doing this So I just did it so I could get it out of the way it was for me Wasn't for any of you who shit talked did you like it

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[01:06:28] Alexandra Mack: At least I can say I did it and and I I've seen that photo pop up a couple times and it's cute I think Tim and Erin Harrell had their first date at the RO

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[01:06:58] Alexandra Mack: from there A lot of people ask whatever [01:07:00] happened to the dollar bills on the roof I don't know about that I think there used to be some dollar bills up there and just so everyone knows they got donated to the humane society

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[01:07:13] Alexandra Mack: Oh me and my

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[01:07:25] Alexandra Mack: I don't know They got stuck up there

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[01:07:35] Alexandra Mack: I think people stuck dollar bills Like if you go into an old Tavern and they have all the hats on the ceiling well this one had dollar bills all over the ceiling Okay

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[01:07:47] Alexandra Mack: Another time that we donated the humane society was when we took do you remember the Rue calendar No Oh there was a Ru girl calendar and we were affiliated with Sandy's guns and [01:08:00] ammo Oh I bought a gun Uh most people have and good gun We the Ru girls there are several of us who were holding guns and we did a photo shoot We turned it turned it into a calendar We sold it We sold over like $2,000 worth And we donated that to the humane society Wow And we had a small following of people who boycotted the Ru because we were promoting guns And I think this is really when school shootings started getting a lot of attention

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[01:08:40] Jeff Nesbitt: That's

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[01:08:43] Jeff Nesbitt: And also who cares people that have problems with everything we had fun Yeah exactly And you didn't do anything wrong It's like fuck them Totally They'll get

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[01:09:04] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah You still have one of the calendars

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[01:09:21] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah You two are pretty tight Yeah We were you ever talked to her anymore

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[01:09:50] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah Yeah She seems pretty pretty cool actually

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[01:09:56] Jeff Nesbitt: Our history is strange Cause it's like [01:10:00] you ended up marrying my best friend and his ex who was your best friend back then went on to get with my current wife's ex and have a child And it's just all very complicated but yeah it works

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[01:10:23] Jeff Nesbitt: yeah Well there's only there's only so many people around

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[01:10:49] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah drunk loud People are stupid Yeah Do you have a problem with tolerating that or you're fine with it You're getting paid You're just doing your [01:11:00] job

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[01:11:29] Jeff Nesbitt: the kids using pre these days kids We were pretty funky Yeah

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[01:11:44] Jeff Nesbitt: I don't think it's really that big of a loss

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[01:11:48] Jeff Nesbitt: diaries but it definitely is I mean yeah it is a loss cause a lot of people did still go there even though everyone complained about it it was gross but it was a place

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[01:12:11] Jeff Nesbitt: probably

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[01:12:26] Jeff Nesbitt: she'll pick you up

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[01:12:29] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah You have friends call one of your own

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[01:12:34] Jeff Nesbitt: might not have even brought it but we'll see Maybe that's somewhere Do we have Uber around here or Lyft I bet Not

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[01:12:49] Jeff Nesbitt: Drunk driving accidents have gone down noticeably since that thing came up land don't don't you think No I mean since Uber and Lyft I mean talking like Countrywide I [01:13:00] bet there's a lot less That was a major issue Like before that was a thing just like Getting home dealing with getting home

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[01:13:15] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah I don't know if I've ever taken the oh no Yeah I definitely have I remember the driver knew Eddie by name He got it And then he's like oh Hey Eddie it's going home Yup

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[01:13:32] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah Do you still go out now that you're married Do you plan on still having a social life It can be like a boring married person

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[01:14:14] Jeff Nesbitt: that's cool Yeah Yeah That's a good life I keep I just keep feeling feeling like well once you guys have kids things will be different but we'll see it It might not be it might stay idyllic but probably not It gets a lot more chaotic

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[01:14:35] Jeff Nesbitt: changes That's what I hear Yeah We're all selfish Like am I that doesn't change but you're you just don't have that ability The thing will die if you don't take care of it And so you just take care of it Yeah

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[01:14:55] Jeff Nesbitt: It does Yeah It does make a big difference Any gray hair No Yeah [01:15:00] You don't even look dirty Thanks But kids will definitely put the gray hairs on ya

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[01:15:25] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah It's really long How long have you been growing it out Hmm

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[01:15:32] Jeff Nesbitt: Have you ever done a buzz cut No don't do it gonna oh you know you never tried the blonde and then you went for it So I'm just

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[01:15:44] Jeff Nesbitt: Long hair is nice

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[01:16:08] Jeff Nesbitt: going on Boosts the psychological change with a physical change I do that when I need a fresh start I'll shave all my hair off Body-wide just get rid of it Start fresh It always comes back

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[01:16:22] Jeff Nesbitt: first time I ever shaved my head I was wasn't sure if it was or not going to come back Like I was a little kid I think we had headlights and we have shaved it off and I got it at Disneyland Oh man you got stranger headlights Yeah Mine at least came from friends but no that's worse for girls in general Anyway Cause you can get a buzz cut I already asked you that you'd have never had

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[01:17:07] Jeff Nesbitt: pretty much had the same haircut forever

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[01:17:10] Jeff Nesbitt: curly He's grown it out a couple times Like towards noticeably curly but not much Like I think about a year ago actually he had a mullet He grew out it looked terrible Uh Really bad And everyone was talking shit about him behind his back No one really told him to his face He's too scary You know you don't want him

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[01:17:33] Jeff Nesbitt: kidding Jeff He doesn't listen to this

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[01:17:43] Jeff Nesbitt: not listen to any of them

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[01:17:47] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh he's on the podcast all the time He's okay to talk about the podcast but he's not going to sit there and listen

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[01:18:05] yeah One thing I wanted to just cover real quick was this past weekend Alex and I went to his family's compound We went to their shop and they were hosting an Oktoberfest

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[01:18:21] Alexandra Mack: Yeah We called it Mac Oktoberfest Perfect How cute is that Yeah And so October Fest is the world's largest folk festival taking place mid September to the first Sunday in October it's about 16 to 18 days It's held in Munich Germany I'm probably not pronouncing that right I'm real bad at my German but the first Oktoberfest was in 1810 on October 12th in celebration of the marriage of the crown prince of Bavaria and princess third Cerise don't know if I'm saying that That's a little [01:19:00] background knowledge Yeah There was a horse race And then the next year they had so much fun They decided to hold another celebration and it became this big horse race thing and this drinking thing And eventually there were so many people there that they got rid of the horses just so they could put up more beer tents And there was something like 7.5 million liters of beer drink there every year And

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[01:19:29] Alexandra Mack: and drinking is

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[01:19:42] Alexandra Mack: I wore a dirndl a dirndl That is what women wear and men wear the later hoes and Alex

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[01:19:50] Alexandra Mack: he looks cute and everything but especially a later husband

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[01:19:57] Alexandra Mack: Yeah I think I've always been a little bit turned [01:20:00] on to that I also dated an Australian and went to Australia for two months You went to Australia

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[01:20:08] Alexandra Mack: stories about that He was in a band

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[01:20:39] Jeff Nesbitt: I don't know but we'll look it up

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[01:20:42] Jeff Nesbitt: He was kicked We'll play We'll play some of their songs

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[01:20:47] Jeff Nesbitt: if unless we give them a sucker for an accent Yeah Who isn't

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[01:20:57] Jeff Nesbitt: There's some really beautiful languages That's [01:21:00] the even the accent is pretty like French or you know some other ones Yeah So what happened in Australia What'd you do

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[01:21:16] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh

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[01:21:42] Jeff Nesbitt: Steve Irwin son he's a kid I know that's

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[01:21:49] Jeff Nesbitt: Now that's pushing it If I said I was crushing on a 16 year old I

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[01:22:03] Jeff Nesbitt: He'll be cool He

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[01:22:12] Jeff Nesbitt: such a fan also He's really good at

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[01:22:14] Alexandra Mack: job Gosh Yeah he's a great photographer He's you know doing conservation just like his father Following his footsteps and Bindi She's a great human being as well The whole family she's Bindi Bindi is his older sister Steve Irwin's first

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[01:22:41] Alexandra Mack: going on there No they're doing quite the opposite They want to save every single one of those suckers out there Murderous They're doing

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[01:22:58] Alexandra Mack: Yes [01:23:00] Yeah

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[01:23:05] Alexandra Mack: Really weird That was scariest thing I saw in Australia was spiders I mean those are abundant and they're silent killer Yeah If you don't like spiders don't go to Australia As far as scorpions go I have one regret from going to Thailand and I was there for less than two weeks I was there for like 10 days I regret not eating a scorpion on a stick

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[01:23:39] Alexandra Mack: spicy probably what it tasted like And and I really really if I could go back in time I would've paid that person for a scorpion

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[01:23:54] Alexandra Mack: but I wouldn't eat I would eat bugs if I had to Sure Absolutely

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[01:24:01] Alexandra Mack: No they're good No but I'm one of your shows you talk about that I think it was with Ross Carey about alone and afraid or alone Alone

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[01:24:16] Alexandra Mack: Um those survival shows I wonder how Alex and I would do as a team probably decent but I guess you don't get to bring someone

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[01:24:33] Alexandra Mack: And are you naked on that one too

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[01:24:40] like

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[01:24:41] Jeff Nesbitt: I do Yeah but I don't get to we're

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[01:24:46] Jeff Nesbitt: Mine's not nearly as hot as your guys sauna All right From what I understand don't you get it to like 200 degrees

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[01:25:09] Jeff Nesbitt: I already know what you're gonna say Go ahead

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[01:25:15] Jeff Nesbitt: And you know it's too hot

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[01:25:28] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah That's really really hot If I mean to cook the nipples that's

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[01:25:39] Jeff Nesbitt: can't get my sauna over one 40 I can't get her alone and 35

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[01:25:49] Jeff Nesbitt: for ed correct Yeah So the air temperature in mind has never been over one 40 but I don't really know how that translates to my internal temperature because the way those infrared panels [01:26:00] work is they send it right to you They don't heat the air in between you and the panel They just directly heat you So the air in the room is not that crazy hot but you're still just like sweating profusely because of that effect you're able to stay in So you get more of a pronounced effect Hmm Have you heard of heat shock proteins No That's supposedly the benefit of doing those really hot treatments is that your body reacts as if it's a threat So it creates these proteins called heat shock proteins and there's cold shock proteins too And they're they're really good for your immune system And I don't even remember

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[01:26:51] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah You feel exhilarated It's pretty good Do you uh have you heard of Wim Hoff Oh have I

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[01:27:04] Jeff Nesbitt: Great Have you actually done the full like two minute hyperventilating then Hold your breath thing Yes the czar I

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[01:27:12] Jeff Nesbitt: should do it more often Really hard to do I don't do it often either I've done it in a couple of times

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[01:27:31] Jeff Nesbitt: It really makes you feel good That's powerful Yeah Something about the panic part Like when you're you know you're fully oxygenated but you're not able to take a breath or you're choosing not to take breath And then that just goes away If you don't breathe is really uh I don't know powerful It's a powerful feeling Cause then after that you're like holy shit I could just hold my breath forever It's like it's pretty crazy I like doing breath [01:28:00] holds it's I've always enjoyed that Like as a kid I even used to do it It's fun It's just a free high

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[01:28:25] Jeff Nesbitt: or that would be cool I don't think I could do it I mean I could be there I don't think I could plan it and it asks people to come because then what if no one showed up then I'm just sitting there like a jackass

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[01:28:38] Jeff Nesbitt: you Nobody came to my birthday party That was just last week You weren't here

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[01:28:48] Jeff Nesbitt: I was at the wedding for a second I was like damn it This joke would be better if I knew what I did on my birthday and

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[01:28:55] Jeff Nesbitt: Uh yeah so we were at a party on my birthday and there was a lot of people there Yeah It

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[01:29:00] Jeff Nesbitt: That's right Uh but no back to that I have a big big hurdle when it comes to trying to sell myself promote myself No it's very difficult mostly just because who gives a shit and if they do that's great But if nobody does then I have to find out that way I'm just like oh no too painful Can't do that So I just don't but no really if I'm going to make this thing successful I have to do stuff like that And I want to because if there actually are people who listen to the show I want to meet them

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[01:29:54] Jeff Nesbitt: just how we're thinking how we're thinking that's the cool part about this is like a lot of the [01:30:00] guests and we talk about such random things But what I want to get across is that we all kind of think similarly and even if we're completely in disagreement on stuff if you can see how the person got to where they got How they drew the conclusions that they ended up with It's a lot easier to to meet in the middle or at least kind of try to understand each other if you're just seeing people as your enemy or even if it's just about political stuff nothing ever changes the device just get bigger and bigger and it's not helpful but I don't know I like talking to people and if this is going to be a way to get to know people I'll keep doing it I like it watching the good shows lately

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[01:30:41] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh yeah Okay

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[01:30:49] Jeff Nesbitt: what is it I I just keep seeing that

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[01:31:44] Jeff Nesbitt: that seems to be what's making waves lately that show parasite the movie parasite that was watched parasite Yeah I actually saw that one either

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[01:32:29] Jeff Nesbitt: wasn't a comedy I say

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[01:32:44] Jeff Nesbitt: just a cultural difference Maybe they find tragic things funnier Perhaps I don't know

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[01:32:54] Jeff Nesbitt: hard to find movies that I can watch that are actually entertaining that kids can walk around the room [01:33:00] with like I said kids ruin everything

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[01:33:26] Jeff Nesbitt: bad There's just never they never turned around No climax you know speaking of climax you know what is really good Gwyneth Paltrow's show sex loving goop I think is what it's called really good And I've been watching it with Melissa the last couple of days they take all these couples who have Like having problems but they're for whatever reason they want to reach out and talk to experts about improving their sex life And then it follows them going to these experts and having the consultations and then all the way through like the [01:34:00] exercises they do where they're like teaching them how to make each other come It's really good it shows a lot of like it just approaches sex from an angle that I haven't seen on a show before

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[01:34:20] Jeff Nesbitt: And a lot of these couples are like in a situation where they've maybe never had really good sex because they're just not communicating Right Or they're thinking that something is taboo and they shouldn't do it Like there's so much shame and guilt involved with sexual encounter

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[01:35:04] Jeff Nesbitt: It's also really entertaining Cause it's well-produced and things like that but she's gorgeous Yeah The takeaway from it though is really like talk to your partner Like don't let sex become this this elephant in the room because it's going to be an elephant in the room whether you're having sex or not like it's either going to be something that you can bring a lot of joy and can really enrich your relationship or it could be something that brings you down and kind of points out that you don't have that great of a

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[01:35:35] Jeff Nesbitt: up exactly and also it's like if there if it isn't great now it doesn't mean it can't be great later Like the couples in the show all improve just from having a little bit of advice it's it doesn't take much like golf Yeah You gotta know how to do it You can't just expect to be good Some people are but we're not all Blake Pakula got anything else you want to talk about

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[01:36:08] Jeff Nesbitt: that you do that

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[01:36:23] Jeff Nesbitt: think this will be a great podcast You're really great It's it's not it has been it's flowed

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[01:36:31] Jeff Nesbitt: it would I told you yeah everybody thinks their voice is terrible just because it sounds so weird in your own head And then but everybody else is already used to hearing

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[01:36:43] Jeff Nesbitt: cool

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[01:37:11] Jeff Nesbitt: chakra was really into the

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[01:37:14] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah he yeah he brought him He's another one who I had to have him do a comeback

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[01:37:31] Jeff Nesbitt: PIM Yeah

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[01:37:39] Jeff Nesbitt: bulldog old English like the forties

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[01:38:12] Jeff Nesbitt: Is that something people say that bulldogs

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[01:38:16] Jeff Nesbitt: too but I didn't know He couldn't swim

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[01:38:23] Jeff Nesbitt: a pit bull it was a pit bull boxer mix and she loved swimming but it was way harder for her than Daisy So like when we like I used to throw stuff water dogs no super danced She was a little jacked little jacked bitch Totally And um yeah she was really cool Sweet dog

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[01:39:11] Alexandra Mack: Yeah Yeah And I was good You know I was sober bartender so I had a lot of fun going out and kicking back a little bit with everyone and reminiscing on what just happened And I'm just excited to go back for something else now that they

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[01:39:33] Alexandra Mack: Yeah There was a lot of young people there too I was really surprised I was I was happy with the crowd It wasn't a bunch of geezers

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[01:39:42] Alexandra Mack: made me feel a little bit old but that's good I don't want to be 21 anymore

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[01:39:51] Alexandra Mack: life Yeah I was like oh look at you Look at you Oh karaoke

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[01:40:02] Alexandra Mack: It's so good I wish we would've had it at my wedding but we really enjoyed the live music They stayed much longer than they were ever planned on Yeah Yeah Your wedding

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[01:40:32] Alexandra Mack: Well it was a fun experience Jeff I had so much fun talking to you and I thought it was really fun having my husband there with me that is a memory that we get to share and laugh about And and maybe some of the content is salvageable but

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[01:40:53] Alexandra Mack: But we'll see what comes of this And I just want to remind everyone out there that you can always sign up for be the [01:41:00] match or yeah Help people like Mitch out and you can follow what's the rural one again rethinking rural at rethinking Rural helped met Madeline Dickers Um Madeline Foggie Aggie

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[01:41:24] Alexandra Mack: like this

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[01:41:28] Alexandra Mack: Didn't even realize it So yeah just that I think more people should talk about your show More people should listen to your show go out there and tell someone about it help this guy out Jeff's one in a million and our community needs it We should get to know each other and be kind and and and plus it's fun Yeah I'm having a good time Yeah Yeah Well listen to some quality content you're probably out there Listen to some hope was focused anyways

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[01:42:04] Alexandra Mack: bye

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Ramble by the River
with Jeff Nesbitt
Ramble-(verb)
1. walk for pleasure, typically without a definite route.
2. talk or write at length in a confused or inconsequential way.

Ramble by the River is about becoming the best human possible.

Join me, Jeff Nesbitt and my guests, as we discuss the blessing that is the human experience in the year 2021. No matter what 2020 brought you, I have some ideas about how to improve the way you see things, and subsequently the way you experience your own life. This show is loosely structured to allow for spontaneous growth into unexpected areas so it is hard to say what will pop up, but common topics will include: technology, culture, education, psychology, drugs, health/fitness, history, politics, investing, blockchain/cryptocurrencies, and many more!

What does it mean to be a person in 2021? Is there really a right and wrong way to do it? We live in a time unlike any other. How has our species changed to accommodate the world that we have so drastically altered? What defines our generation? Where are we going? What is coincidence? Is time a mental construction? What happens after death? Which Jenifer is better looking (Lopez or Anniston)?

Tune in to any one of our exciting upcoming episodes to hear a comedian, a New York Times Best-Selling author, a fancy artist, a plumber, the Mayor of a large urban metropolis, a cancer survivor, a Presidential candidate, Jeff's dad, a female bull-riding champion, the founder of a large non-profit charity organization, Elon Musk, a guarded but eventually lovable country musician, a homeless guy, a homeless woman, a commercial fisherman, a world-renowned photo-journalist, or Kanye West.

When you go on a ramble, you never know where you are going to end up. All you can do is strap-in and enjoy the ride!
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Jeff Nesbitt

Jeff Nesbitt is a man of many interests. He is infinitely curious, brutally honest, and genuinely loves people. Jeff grew up in a small coastal community in the Pacific Northwest and after college he moved back to his hometown to start a family. When the Covid-19 crisis hit in 2020, regular social engagement was not an option, and Jeff realized that the missing ingredient in his life was human connection. So, like the fabled Noah and his Ark, Jeff started building a podcast studio without knowing what his show would actually be. Before the paint was even dry, Jeff start recording interviews with interesting friends, and Ramble by the River was born.