From Drugs to Donuts with Lindy Swain

Lindy Swain Interview

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[00:00:05] Lindy Swain: [00:00:05] Yeah. It's odd to hear myself as I'm talking.

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[00:00:16] Lindy Swain: [00:00:16] Just get a little opera.

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[00:00:28] Like if you hit a vein of some conversation, topic that you're excited about, definitely follow it. Even if it's off topic. Okay. That's not a problem at all. Um, if you've got a P we can take a break. If you're, if you're uncomfortable with something, we can take a break. It's very loose. So don't, don't be stressed.

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[00:00:54] Lindy Swain: [00:00:54] think. Yeah.

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[00:00:56] Lindy Swain: [00:00:56] Um, You know, that's a good question. The [00:01:00] actual donuts, um, not too often anymore, initially a lot. And then I did find out that like eating Apple fritters on a regular basis kind of makes me feel sick. Yeah. I I've cut back, especially on the fried stuff. Like I I've moved more like the cookies and, um, I've recently been exploring the danishes a little more, which hasn't been my favorite,

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[00:01:24] I love them. They're so good. I never used to be a scone guy seemed kind of like a unfinished donut. Um, but it they're great. I love them. Just age, I guess, getting older, starting to eat the old people foods.

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[00:01:46] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:01:46] They're good. You see some stuff in your cases though, that I've still never tried. Like I just, for the first time ever had a sailor Jack. Oh yeah. Because Amelia wanted to try one. They're the most popular items. Yeah. And I use, or there's a few of them, like the roll [00:02:00] things, a floor. It Flores. Those are big.

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[00:02:18] Okay. Um, just to make sure I don't get halfway through and be like, Oh shoot. I didn't tell her about that. Okay. Um, but there's really not much. Um, let's see. Yeah, that's about it though. Um, are there any topics that you do not want to talk about that you just like don't even ask me about that stuff?

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[00:02:36] I mean, like, I'm not one to like get into politics too much and stuff,

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[00:02:46] And so if you don't believe it, you're an idiot. And if you agree, then you're suddenly in the club and that feels kind of weird to me. I don't, I don't like that feeling. Um, so yeah, if we do get into politics, which we probably won't because shit's boring,

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[00:03:01] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:03:01] it's much happier.

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[00:03:18] Lindy Swain: [00:03:18] going well.

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[00:03:21] Um, first of all, you're the only Lindy I've ever met in my life. I'm sure you've gotten this a lot. Yes. There's not many of us. What is that? Is that short for Lindiffer Nope.

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[00:03:37] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:03:37] I know lots of Lindsay's. Um, so that, that is what always pops in my head.

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[00:03:43] Lindy Swain: [00:03:43] And Lindsey and Wendy is the other one I get on the phone a lot because they don't hear the L's so they just hear

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[00:03:58] You probably didn't know that. I did [00:04:00] not know that. Yeah. The Stanton Jeffrey Nesbitt, the third is my name. Very distinguished, that's my name. Well, yeah, . I get anxiety about people's names. . Until I know them very well. I usually will just call him buddy, or guy or man, or, uh, you know, if it's a woman, something similar, but for that gender,

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[00:04:17] You know, we're fairly new here. And so figuring out like the lines of families here and, um, I know Don is, but the artist for a while, I didn't realize, you know, I thought maybe you guys were related now. I realize there's different spellings and

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[00:04:31] That's over in another town, but, um, swaps the vowels same way. Yeah. I've heard that it's all the same clan. Like if you go back far enough, they all one family most likely came over and I don't really have anything to back that up, but there's a Nesbitt slash Nisbett society on the internet. I don't know.

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[00:05:09] It looks a little rhino-esque. It's like she put him in a posture where he's like, Kind of bowing in a kind of a cute curtsy. I don't care for it. I was, I was too insecure to tell her like, no, that's not, that's not at all what I wanted, but

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[00:05:24] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:05:24] and you can, that's why they tell you, that's why they tell you to wait until you're mature enough to make a decision like that.

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[00:05:36] Lindy Swain: [00:05:36] Yeah, I do have a tattoo that I probably regret as well, so yeah. Yeah, no, it's just, it's sort of, um, it's a symbol of Florence, Italy, and it's on my back and yeah, I probably, I wouldn't do it again, but

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[00:05:51]Lindy Swain: [00:05:51] it's on my lower back.

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[00:05:54]Lindy Swain: [00:05:54] I kind of copied both of my sisters on that and sisters all happy with sisters, all have [00:06:00] them. I know it's kind of embarrassing.

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[00:06:11] It's going to be the new norm. Yes.

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[00:06:15]Jeff Nesbitt: [00:06:15] Why Florence, Italy.

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[00:06:24] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:06:24] old are you? I'm 35. I thought you were younger than me for some reason. Yeah. How old are you?

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[00:06:39] Lindy Swain: [00:06:39] No, I've heard if anything, I tend to have an older soul. So .

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[00:06:47] That's the kind of people I liked.

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[00:06:52] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:06:52] well, I was trying to convince you, like you're probably, yeah, you're probably going to be a better guest than you think it's

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[00:06:59] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:06:59] You would be [00:07:00] surprised nobody wants to be famous anymore.

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[00:07:11] Lindy Swain: [00:07:11] kind of awkward. I would have said a flat note to you.

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[00:07:22] Um, first of all, where'd you grow up?

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[00:07:38] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:07:38] the baby. You believe in that childhood order?

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[00:08:03] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:08:03] So five years. Yeah. That's so you were really like the baby baby?

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[00:08:16] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:08:16] Yeah. Are you guys pretty close? Yeah, we're all really close.

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[00:08:21] Lindy Swain: [00:08:21] it's a blog. Yeah. Yeah, no, we're we're way too socially anxious to do a podcast.

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[00:08:28] Lindy Swain: [00:08:28] Um, no, it's we have like a blog slash you know, like an Instagram, Facebook page.

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[00:08:36] Lindy Swain: [00:08:36] Apparently it started, you know, with Dylan, uh, Casey's daughter, you know, getting sick and her cancer battle and just kind of chronicling that. And then also, um, Jamie, the middle sister, she's dealt with a lot of endometriosis and infertility, and so it's kind of just all of our stories and how they meshed together.

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[00:08:55] Lindy Swain: [00:08:55] it is hard, but I think that's kind of why we wanted to do it is like that's [00:09:00] the kind of stuff that should probably be normalized talking about.

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[00:09:10] So that automatically makes me want to be like, I just won't ask about it, it's just so damn painful. I can't even fathom what your family went through during that whole thing,

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[00:09:25] And so when he was about three months old, we were living in Spokane and that's when Dylan got diagnosed with DIPG, which is diffuse intrinsic pontine glioma.

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[00:09:48] I'm sorry. I

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[00:09:59] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:09:59] You're [00:10:00] gonna make me cry.

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[00:10:16] Um, Dylan survived 20 months. So, um, Very much a fighter. And so, um, Mark and I, my husband and I decided to move here in, uh, 2019, August, 2019. We got here. So Dylan had been fighting cancer for a year. We got here, just wanted to be closer to family because it's a long haul driving back and forth from Spokane to here.

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[00:10:48] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:10:48] I'm so sorry. There's there's no words that can really do anything, but I'm so sorry.

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[00:11:04] Our society's not comfortable with

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[00:11:31] It seemed like, and it was just like, it really kind of brought the community together, uh, around this, this cause. And it, and out of it came this foundation and, and just, I mean, my son still plays on Dylan's warriors, the baseball team,

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[00:11:50] We'd always, we'd looked at long beach before, um, and talked about moving and, and at that time, the timing wasn't right. And then, you know, the community support and how much support Casey and Jeff and Mason and [00:12:00] Dylan were given is phenomenal and everything that's done now to remember Dylan is amazing the, the baseball team, the garden at the long beach elementary, you know, that that's so meaningful and you'd, you wouldn't get that necessarily in another place.

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[00:12:31] Lindy Swain: [00:12:31] Yeah. That's a, that's a huge part of the story.

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[00:12:35] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:12:35] point there and it's, uh, there's pictures on the wall. And so I've, I grew up. Loving the bakery. I always been like a very special place to meet since I was a chubby little kid promotion park. Like I love it. I've always loved it. And because the best part about it is you guys open at four in the morning.

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[00:13:16] It's wonderful. Yeah. How often do you go in pretty often, every couple days.

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[00:13:23] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:13:23] in there? Quite a bit? Yeah. Um, it's but it's, so I've noticed it's been like that at least the last 10 years I've been going there a few times a week. And before that, I mean, Always I've, I've never lived here and not gone there on a pretty regular basis.

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[00:14:05] Uh, um, and we went in there and, uh, all my friends fell asleep and I was sitting there eating a maple bars. My friends were all asleep in the booth, but I have a lot of memories of that place. Just, just. Over the course of my life. And I know that a lot of other people do too. It's, it's a really special little part of the community.

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[00:14:24] Lindy Swain: [00:14:24] super iconic

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[00:14:30] Lindy Swain: [00:14:30] COVID, you know, threw a wrench in a lot of that because there's been times where he couldn't have any Eden service. Um, but now we have some of the tables back and yeah, we have some diehard, 4:00 AM people that come in every morning.

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[00:14:41] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:14:41] nice. And they buy a lot of

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[00:14:50] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:14:50] refills. What does a cup of coffee costs?

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[00:14:58] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:14:58] espresso [00:15:00] it's not 50 cents anymore.

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[00:15:03]Jeff Nesbitt: [00:15:03] You guys have, seems like you've only made really positive changes.

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[00:15:23] And in

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[00:15:48] Yeah. Um, do you use hashtags? I

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[00:16:00] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:16:00] I was going to say, did you like pick your five to seven hashtags that you know, we're going to hit?

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[00:16:04] Lindy Swain: [00:16:04] not really. I mean, I do like hashtag Dylan's cottage bakery on every post. So that, that way, if someone clicks on the hashtag there, you're hopefully going to see all of our posts, which you'd think they would just go to our account at that point. But, um, or that other people will hashtag it. Yeah. But other than that, yeah, I do like long beach wall, you know?

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[00:16:22] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:16:22] thought into it a little bit.

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[00:16:26] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:16:26] Oh yeah. Oh for sure. Definitely because it is a lot of work.

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[00:16:36] And that was how it was at first. And now I'm like, well, you know, this is not an emergency and they can really call the bakery if there's something they urgently need.

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[00:16:57] I had no idea that there was that much you could [00:17:00] do like Facebook ads. You can tell them exactly who your market is and who's going to get the ads. And like you can send them an ad when they drive by your business, which is pretty amazing. Like if you're logged into your Facebook app and even if you're not in the app, if you're somewhere else and you, you know, Agree to the terms and conditions, you might get an ad for, you know, whatever Fred Meyer or whatever store you just drove by, or you might get an ad for one of their competitors because they hired Facebook to say, do this when they drive by my competitor.

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[00:17:31] Lindy Swain: [00:17:31] It's pretty amazing. Yeah. Same with like Yelp, you know, I took over our, our Yelp and I respond to the reviews and Yelp seems to be an Avenue for a lot of negativity, but they're always calling us and wanting us to advertise. So more people will find our business. Like we're at a point where we don't need more people to find our business.

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[00:17:53] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:17:53] So yeah. I heard you guys are shutting down our date one day.

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[00:18:08] Yeah. We need some more bodies.

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[00:18:14] Lindy Swain: [00:18:14] Yeah. I don't know if it's, you know, people getting their tax returns, the unemployment, the, you know, the stimulus, all of that.

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[00:18:30] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:18:30] basis. Yeah. That, that is true though. Like I saw a tweet the other day that said, um,

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[00:18:55] If , the government can just afford to fork out that much money to keep people, you know, [00:19:00] satiated basically. And they're not getting rich off of it, but it's just making them toward it. They can be okay.

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[00:19:14] And that's what we have a really good team right now. And the last hires that we've made, we've really tried to hire people that are enthusiastic really want to be there and work. Um, but sometimes it's a challenge to find people. Tell

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[00:19:26] Lindy Swain: [00:19:26] And that's what we used to, like, if I would post a job on Facebook, um, right away, we would get tons of applications.

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[00:19:33] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:19:33] crickets. That's so weird. And you think it's COVID related? I

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[00:19:45] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:19:45] Yeah. Who knows? I'm going to turn on the heater now. Cause I am kind of cold. Okay.

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[00:20:06] [00:20:00] Lindy Swain: [00:20:06] I like your rug.

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[00:20:13] I love Costco. I would go there every day and just walk around if I could

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[00:20:21] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:20:21] anymore. Right. Okay. I know that. I really thought that was going to ruin Costco for me, but it did no, no.

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[00:20:36] Lindy Swain: [00:20:36] off. I felt terrible for those people and yeah. When people walk up and still try to take it and they have to awkwardly tell them no, this is just for show.

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[00:20:48] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:20:48] though. It is. I'm sure they appreciative. Um, do you want to lose the headphones? Sure.

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[00:21:00] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:21:00] it seems like everything's okay. It went really well. Um, yeah, so.

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[00:21:07] Lindy Swain: [00:21:07] Yeah, so that's kind of, a funny story and that's where I think there's actually some serendipity involved. And I think that Dylan did have a hand in the whole thing. , so Dylan passed away April 9th, 2020. And this was like all during like the heat of COVID.

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[00:21:36] And it basically was like saying our time has come to close the bakery. Like it was a really nice fax that they'd sent out to us, the businesses, and I think, yeah, yeah. And really like with no notice that I had heard at least, , And I wasn't like a big bakery regular or anything. I mean, I went there sometimes for like my kids' birthdays or things, but yeah.

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[00:22:13] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:22:13] So Mark is your husband. Mark is my husband, Bob and Judy are the former owners of Dylan's Cottage Bakery.

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[00:22:38] Like we can, we don't want the bakery to shut down. And, , so Mark. Said to Jeff, like we should go in there , and see what it's all about. And so Jeff had Judy's number texted her and like two days later, Jeff and Mark are going in at 2:00 AM and baking and learning it. , and it's yeah. Do you remember

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[00:22:55] What are they doing back there?

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[00:23:07] Yeah. And well, everyone knows Jeff. So, , yeah, it just, it just really like happened. , and everything fell into place and it was. I don't even know if there's a specific conversation was like, you know, can we rename it? It was just like, yeah, we're going to rename it. Dylan's cottage bakery. It just felt right.

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[00:23:40] So talk about people that had no idea what we're doing. You know, we don't have restaurant experience, so yeah. It's, it's been a ride

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[00:23:51]Lindy Swain: [00:23:51] Well, Um, we took over June 10th, , which happens to be my birthday. So that was like my birthday present, , last year, , bought a bakery, , I think we had no idea what we were [00:24:00] getting into.

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[00:24:15] Like we need to get the word out, you know? And it was crazy like big busiest summer on record

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[00:24:32] Lindy Swain: [00:24:32] cards, Apple pay.

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[00:24:35] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:24:35] They're active on social media pretty much every day. It's it's those, that's how you make money now. And that I can see how that was really a huge improvement.

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[00:24:52] So they're all coming to the beach. Like what's a better place to socially distance than going through it.

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[00:25:01] [00:25:00] Lindy Swain: [00:25:01] I don't know how that happens.

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[00:25:12] That's funny. She was so rude to me on so many different occasions. If I didn't love donuts so much, I would have stopped coming in.

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[00:25:20] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:25:20] she disappeared a while back and you know, it's been great.

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[00:25:31] And even the staff that has stayed with us through it. And like, we have a lot of employees that are new to us, but the staff that has stayed from Bob and Judy to us are like, we really appreciate them because we put them through the ringer with a lot of changes and there was definitely different waves of people leaving and not liking the changes we made.

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[00:25:49]Lindy Swain: [00:25:49] . You know, I mean, it's, it's one of those things where unfortunately change was needed, right? Like, especially with COVID people didn't want to be handling cash. There was a lot of things that needed to be updated. ,

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[00:26:12] Um, even now like the, the fact that there's the sandwich area over here, donut area over here. It's not ideal. No. , but it works so much better now because the employees are smiling and you can tell they're enjoying being there. It's not the way it used to be or it's, um, I mean, nothing against the old guard, but yeah.

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[00:26:49] Um, but now it's, it's smooth.

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[00:27:05] And we've played around with a lot of different scenarios on what we could do with that, but we haven't come up with anything solid.

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[00:27:15] Yeah. Either way it's working, it seems like it's going really well. People seem happy in there.

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[00:27:29] Um, even when someone's been complaining about the product, they're saying the staff was really friendly, so I'm like, Hey, that's a win

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[00:27:36] Lindy Swain: [00:27:36] Gosh, um, you would be amazed like anything, you know, this was under cook, the icing wasn't right on this. The puftah wasn't puffed enough.

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[00:28:01] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:28:01] crack on.

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[00:28:22] Thank God now it's widely accepted in, you know, legal, your sister has been involved in CBD stuff, right?

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[00:28:38] Sold at peninsula pharmacies. Yeah, I

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[00:28:45] Lindy Swain: [00:28:45] believe they're going to a custom label. So right now it's just the generic white coat, but it's a product that's only sold to independent pharmacies. So, you know, you can't get it at Walgreens.

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[00:29:02] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:29:02] And where do you guys get the hemp?

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[00:29:11] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:29:11] That's a pretty cool industry. Yeah. Industrial hemp.

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[00:29:28] Yeah.

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[00:29:37]Lindy Swain: [00:29:37] I have, you know, not on a consistent basis. Um, I probably should because I tend to be pretty anxious and things. , yeah. Yeah. I know Casey uses it regularly and you know, it's helped her, , their dog,

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[00:29:50] Lindy Swain: [00:29:50] dog is anxious.

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[00:30:11] Oh, that's cool. So how

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[00:30:13] Lindy Swain: [00:30:13] Penny. My oldest is seven and a half and then I have Oscar who's four and a half. And Archer is almost three.

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[00:30:23] Lindy Swain: [00:30:23] very noisy. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. There wasn't enough going on. So add a puppy and what kind of dog? He is a mini golden doodle.

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[00:30:33] Lindy Swain: [00:30:33] He's like a little Teddy bear. How old? Um, he is about four months old now.

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[00:30:42] Lindy Swain: [00:30:42] It's yeah. When we're like really on it and take him out, he's fine. But you know, when we forget,

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[00:30:52] So it was 2012. So I was just out of college and I was worked back at my like summer job and I was working long [00:31:00] days. And so my dad was taking care of her during the day. And then after that summer ended, I moved to Portland. I was in an apartment it's just like, never had the time where it's just like every day we have a routine to take the dog out to pee at these times.

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[00:31:29] Uh, uh, 80 pounds. Lab slash retriever. I mean, she leaves a puddle of piss the side jumbo pizza. Yeah. Nobody likes to clean that up. That's terrible.

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[00:31:45] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:31:45] Yeah. He's a cool dog. I like so nice. Yeah.

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[00:31:48] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:31:48] great dude.

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[00:32:04] Lindy Swain: [00:32:04] No. Yeah, so I, I do the social media. I, um, I'm kind of, it took us a while to figure out, you know, everyone's role.

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[00:32:28]so I do, I do pay roll. I do like, you know, I calculate their tips. Um, I'm involved in hiring and some of the HR stuff, but Katie is our manager, Katie, whether it be all sup is our boots on the ground person. So she pretty much runs the show there. And then Frank Fiorillo is our head Baker. And he's been with the bakery, like on and off for decades.

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[00:32:52] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:32:52] there. Okay. Yeah. One of my buddies, when I was a kid, his dad was a Baker there and I remember him, we can never talk in his house because [00:33:00] you had to be super quiet. Cause his dad would go to bed at like 6:00 PM. Um, but yeah, that's one of my earlier memories of the bakery was like, knowing that they were in there making donuts in the middle of the night.

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[00:33:13] Lindy Swain: [00:33:13] They start at 2:00 AM sometimes earlier. Like, um, if it's, you know, I'm going to be 4th of July weekend and they'll come in at one or 1230, , it's

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[00:33:26] Lindy Swain: [00:33:26] Yeah. We sell them day old. Sometimes if there's a ton of extras, we'll box them up and you know, it'll be one of those where it's like, take them around. we have some of the different places we can take them. Um, Food banks.

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[00:33:52] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:33:52] Yeah, that's actually, um, I just remembered that, but my neighbors had pigs when I was a kid. Uh, and they would get big bags of [00:34:00] donuts from the bakery and give them to their pigs.

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[00:34:03] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:34:03] So I'm still doing the pig buckets.

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[00:34:08] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:34:08] That's cool. Let's talk more about the social media stuff. Is that like a major part of how you spend your time? Are you, do you try to invest a lot of it towards that?

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[00:34:29] Yeah. And so at times I've slowed down and, you know, depending on how the summer is, I won't do a ton, but now people also expect it. And it's kinda cool. Cause we have a little bit of a community on there. You know, there's like these bakery lovers and a lot of them aren't necessarily in town, but they like to see what we're offering.

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[00:34:56] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:34:56] Do you ever have any ambitions of expanding as a brand?

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[00:35:21] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:35:21] Yeah. I bet that's kind of hard to find, especially because it's a very specific menu. Like they have to know how to make those

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[00:35:38] Like it's like industrial level that the amount that we produce and just the, the sheer volume and like array of products

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[00:35:50] Lindy Swain: [00:35:50] Yeah. We have those four cases and then the, the cake case, um, and. Yeah, I guess three cases. And then the cake case,

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[00:36:00] [00:36:00] Lindy Swain: [00:36:00] Thank you. I'm you know, , I appreciate you noticing that, , that is something we've worked a lot on and I should say Katie has worked a lot on and then, , trying to kind of improve the frosting and things and putting a lot more butter into it. , rather than just a lot of shortening and things. Yeah.

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[00:36:14] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:36:14] hard on the cakes. Yeah. Frosting is a make or break, especially for cupcakes. You got to have that really good frosting because otherwise if you want to just scoop the frosting off, like a lot of like cheap cupcakes. Yep. Um, yeah, no wasted opportunity. It's gotta be the star.

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[00:36:35] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:36:35] is adorable. Um, yeah, I've only, you know, got to chat with her a few times but a very precocious. Yes. Yes.

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[00:36:45] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:36:45] and thoughts. I can't remember what it was.

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[00:36:52] Lindy Swain: [00:36:52] They do. Yeah. Which is, you know, a double-edged sword. They're not the easiest children. That's for sure. I think, [00:37:00] yeah. One of my, I think one of the only times that I've met you, aside from this, I believe one of my children was biting Amelia.

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[00:37:07] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:37:07] going to bring it up. I thought it was funny, but mortified,

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[00:37:21] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:37:21] You know, it looked like he was going in for a kiss. And then he started buying her.

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[00:37:29] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:37:29] She was fine though. She has gotten into this new phase where she's really been thrown a lot of punches. Um, mostly at me. I don't know where it comes from.

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[00:37:46] Lindy Swain: [00:37:46] I know that's how Oscar, especially our four and a half year old. That's how he, he he's like inviting you to play. Like it's like come up slug, Mark in the face and it's like game on, you know?

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[00:37:56]Jeff Nesbitt: [00:37:56] I don't care for it either. But it's kind of cute because she's just like a little [00:38:00] blonde adorable thing. That's kind of violent. She's she goes from my eyes though, a lot, which is just, that's dirty, this dirty fight and it's no good. Yeah. But yeah, it's cute.

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[00:38:15] Lindy Swain: [00:38:15] Yes. I enjoyed listening to the little clip where she was in here talking.

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[00:38:33] Put together a little clips of them as kids and remember what they sounded like. That would be neat. Little people's voices are so unique and they just, they change so quick. Amelia's voice is already different now than it was when I started the show, which was in December. So it's, it's pretty bizarre.

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[00:38:52] Lindy Swain: [00:38:52] The kids have learned some new vocabulary since we moved here and they're called uncle Jeff words and they're not supposed to say them.

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[00:39:06] Lindy Swain: [00:39:06] Yeah. I think one of the best quotes that I've heard is like, when your kids are little, you can curate the world for your kids. But like your goal as a parent is to curate your kids for the world. , and that's like success. Right? And so , I don't make it a big deal because , obviously they're going to hear those words , but you know, when my two year old is saying like, fuck you mommy?

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[00:39:31] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:39:31] it's, I, I, I'm trying to tell them it's about context. Like you got to, you know, know the room. Yeah.

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[00:39:43] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:39:43] between set of words, especially fuck.

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[00:40:05] Yes. That's one of my, like

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[00:40:12] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:40:12] Yeah. Or Holy smokes. I

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[00:40:19]Jeff Nesbitt: [00:40:19] have you ever heard of little ducky the rapper? No.

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[00:40:45] Okay. Oh, we'll go to a clip. Okay. But the, uh, yeah, my point, uh, Emilia loves this song and she watches the video and they're, it's, it's pretty harmless, most of it, but there's one line where the pig says I'm a fat [00:41:00] fucking pig and she. Like it was invisible to her for a hundred listens. And then one day she just picked it up.

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[00:41:22] Lindy Swain: [00:41:55] It's hard not to laugh at them.

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[00:42:12] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:42:12] struggle rough year for him.

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[00:42:27] Lindy Swain: [00:42:27] Yeah. Like obviously Mason's experience of losing a sibling is different than any one else's in our family. So, you know, he has his unique,

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[00:42:41] It's like, yeah.

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[00:43:03] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:43:03] from it all.

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[00:43:07] Lindy Swain: [00:43:07] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we live just, you know, like a couple of minutes from them. So we walked down the road a lot, um, go swimming or do things with them and yeah. Yeah. It's nice.

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[00:43:23] Oh yeah.

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[00:43:26] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:43:26] Yeah. There's some good ones out

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[00:43:40] So, um, but yeah, it's been really cute to see him learn that from Jeff and like all of them get into it, do eat. Um, we do, you know, they're not my favorite thing, but I will, you know,

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[00:43:56] Lindy Swain: [00:43:56] pretty avid into that.

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[00:43:58] Honestly, when, when the [00:44:00] season is on, it's hard for me to do anything else. It's something about, I don't even know where it comes from, but something in my DNA, it's like, when I know that there's just free food sticking out of the ground, I'm gonna go pick it.

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[00:44:15] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:44:15] yeah.

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[00:44:33] Fried. Okay. Um, so

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[00:44:38] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:44:38] It's on the mushroom, but the, if you take Shen trails and cut the big ones if you get the right size, just medium-sized ones and do like a. Chicken fried steak type breading and then fry them. They're delicious. Good sound good.

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[00:44:58] Lindy Swain: [00:44:58] Yeah. I don't like it if [00:45:00] they're slimy and

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[00:45:12] It's like, there's an alien and it's food. Yes.

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[00:45:22] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:45:22] fun. Oyster mushrooms. Yeah. I think it was, those were cool. Did they work? Yeah. What color?

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[00:45:30] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:45:30] of, yeah, we have that kind in the woods here a lot.

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[00:45:35] Lindy Swain: [00:45:35] Everybody has their secret spots, right?

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[00:45:47] It's Morel season. Oh, it blurred out and all the burned areas from yeah. Last burn season. And there should be a lot of morels out there. I've never picked those though. Either have fun to

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[00:46:06] I met Mark, actually. I'm, I'm sure he would love that. I'll say this, but through his mom, his mom's set us up. Uh, yeah. When I was in pharmacy school was my last year pharmacy school and you'd do different rotations, like in different areas. And one of those, I went to Peru with the nursing school to like do, uh, rural clinics and things.

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[00:46:38] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:46:38] pretty funny.

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[00:46:41] Lindy Swain: [00:46:41] And especially like now knowing her and knowing their relationship. It's I actually can't believe he even emailed me after her giving. Yeah. To him.

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[00:46:55] Right. He

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[00:47:01] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:47:01] most. Yeah. So occupational therapy, how does that apply to kids?

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[00:47:15] So you know, of kids with autism or sensory processing disorders, you know, just all a variety of different things he can work with.

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[00:47:29] Lindy Swain: [00:47:29] Um, gosh, I'm like worried that I'm gonna say the wrong thing when he listens to this,

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[00:47:33] Lindy Swain: [00:47:33] yeah. The way that I think of it as like a physical therapist will like maybe work on like a muscle or the range of motion and stuff. And an occupational therapist is really trying to get to like function of how that helps you with your day to day activities. like if your shoulders hurting, he will work on how we can like use that so that you can shower effectively in

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[00:47:50] So, so he's more like pragmatic than a physical therapist or problem solving. I think so

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[00:47:59] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:47:59] How did [00:48:00] she, those handwriting specialists.

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[00:48:13] He has a college role, very staunch on

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[00:48:27] Lindy Swain: [00:48:27] They get better control of their letters or something.

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[00:48:45] yeah, I like that stuff. I think it's really interesting. It is interesting just to see how the brain works at a primitive stage. Yeah.

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[00:49:01] Yeah. With her kids, like, he was always doing weird things to them as babies. Um, just like testing their reflexes. Like if you, like, not like, like if you go to drop them, like, do they start off like the Moro and , the other thing he would do, it's like, he would always hold them in their hand, you know, and they would lock their legs and stand up.

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[00:49:20] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:49:20] That's fun. I remember doing that and being just baffled that they stay

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[00:49:28] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:49:28] and stuff. Yeah, that stuff's cool. , it definitely translates into later life too.

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[00:49:53] If I'm lifting weights or, you know, throwing or doing it, really any kind of athletic movements, you need to have [00:50:00] a good platform . So your body knows how to move without having to think about it. And I'm pretty convinced that just because of an injury, when I was a kid, I, uh, I just developed all these patterns to compensate.

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[00:50:28] Lindy Swain: [00:50:28] it's another thing to dive into.

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[00:50:32] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:50:32] We're just like big squishy robots. Our muscles are just rubber bands wrapped around pivot points, but all the different rotational, geometry of your bones, like I never used to think about that stuff. Yeah. Like your tibial angle.

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[00:50:46] Lindy Swain: [00:50:46] younger, you can just move freely and nothing bothers you.

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[00:50:54] Lindy Swain: [00:50:54] Yes. It's kind of

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[00:51:02] Do pull-ups or any kind of hanging stuff . I thought I was in such great shape and we went to go do one of those mud relays. Oh,

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[00:51:11] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:51:11] thing. Yeah. Yeah. Monkey bars. Oh, I was confident and I jumped up. I couldn't make it. My keynotes are hard. It was horrible. I slipped right off.

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[00:51:33]Lindy Swain: [00:51:33] Yeah. I understand. I've got a lot of like shoulder next stuff, and a lot of like rounding forward and, uh, like from caring for babies for so long, you're like always hunched and taking care of them or breastfeeding.

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[00:51:46] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:51:46] now we're both sitting up. Nice. Yeah. It's it's hard. Our world is set up to be rounded, like, uh, What's the word, I think it's

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[00:52:06] Lindy Swain: [00:52:06] You know, it's, I've had an interesting journey through pharmacy and I've done a lot of different stuff. So when I graduated, I did a residency in a fellowship more than like geriatric pharmacy.

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[00:52:28] And then I went and worked for Providence in Spokane and I was doing like blood thinners, managing patients on rheumatology meds. So same thing really like clinic.

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[00:52:40] Lindy Swain: [00:52:40] Well, it's kind of ironic. Um, yeah, that's the, also the funny part, you know, it was like being a pharmacist and selling donuts.

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[00:53:08] And it's been a chance to step away a little bit from some of the pharmacy stuff.

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[00:53:17] Lindy Swain: [00:53:17] Yeah. Yeah. It is. I mean, I think people often don't realize like how much goes into, getting your prescription

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[00:53:24] Well, yeah, it's like what, it's going to take you a whole hour to put the, put the pills in a

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[00:53:45] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:53:45] with it, but yeah.

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[00:53:52] Lindy Swain: [00:53:52] but that's probably deserved. Yeah. Yeah. That's often

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[00:54:01] Lindy Swain: [00:54:01] Yeah. Yeah. And it's, you know, lucrative they're, they're going to get their money that's for sure.

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[00:54:19] Lindy Swain: [00:54:19] Yeah. That's dad, um, was a crop duster and demo

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[00:54:25] yeah. It's tricky.

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[00:54:32] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:54:32] well, th they're very close because that like the whole corn, the GMO crops and the proprietary seeds and all that, that's. Fucked up. Yeah. It's kind of scary stuff. It's basically, they built a system to absorb all these small farms by like letting their genetically modified seed, fall off the truck and grow in a ditch along these other farms who didn't pay for the seed.

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[00:55:17] Lindy Swain: [00:55:17] It is discouraging. And then trying to like teach kids about right and wrong

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[00:55:33] But do you think there's just bad people who do wrong knowingly.

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[00:55:50]Jeff Nesbitt: [00:55:50] There's different sociopath, sociopathic tendencies, and like people who are really successful in business tend to be a lot of that group. It's an interesting thing. and Then you look at [00:56:00] people who are really successful and, uh, there's a good chance that they're probably sociopath.

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[00:56:23] Lindy Swain: [00:56:23] point where you would hope that's more

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[00:56:25] Yeah. Or the BP oil disaster. Yeah. Which I don't even know if people just got tired of hearing about it or what, but last time I checked that was still leaking. Oh, wow. And after like a decade. So it's, it's not good. Rough. How do you, how do you cope with the world is falling apart around you? What do you, what do you do to stay safe?

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[00:57:11] And I, I think I really need to, for my body for like mobility and stuff, um,

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[00:57:20] Lindy Swain: [00:57:20] It's, it's hard to like commit that time to something where you feel like, Oh no, I should be like lifting weights and you know, like really getting my bang for my buck.

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[00:57:29] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:57:29] even though I feel just as exhausted after doing yoga for an hour for Lyft, and it puts you in positions where you have to breathe into, , areas that you're not used to. So it's almost more exhausting in a few ways.

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[00:57:47] You

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[00:57:51] Lindy Swain: [00:57:51] it. I've had, I feel like I've had a lot of signals from the universe that I need to do it. And people flat out telling me I need to do it, but, um, it's just been that like actually [00:58:00] getting myself to do it.

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[00:58:03] And it doesn't stop being like that. I still feel like that where I'll go days and days where I'm like, I really need to meditate. Um, it's been a long time and be like, yeah, I'll do it. I'll go do that this afternoon. And then this afternoon comes and I'm like, well, I haven't worked out today. I should probably work out first.

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[00:58:29] Lindy Swain: [00:58:29] through? Right? Yeah, I can't do it if I can't do all, I can't

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[00:58:32] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:58:32] anything. Just gotta accept the, you know, the crap that comes along with starting something new and the discomfort that's paired to that.

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[00:58:42] Lindy Swain: [00:58:42] do that in the morning then? Usually, or like in your

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[00:59:00] I'm not always hungry in the morning, but it's like something about going there and getting like interaction with people. Yeah. Yeah. I spent so much time by myself. So it's, anytime I can interact with the human being, especially on a work day where I'm just like, I'm about to go spend another 12 hours alone.

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[00:59:39] I really should.

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[00:59:44] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:59:44] if you have kids around, it just is almost impossible. Oh yeah. It's impossible to do anything. Yeah. Right when me and Melissa got together, , it was before we had Amelia, but we had Sawyer and Elsa, I would just stay in my car when I got home from work.

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[01:00:14] It was a yeah. Old minivan. That's what

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[01:00:21] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:00:21] fall for that? Exactly. ,yeah, I've had several they're so practical. Yeah.

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[01:00:34] Is it a Chrysler or something?

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[01:00:43] Lindy Swain: [01:00:43] kids, like the sliding doors. So my kids aren't banging the door into other people. It's just ways

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[01:00:53] I talked about that on one of the episodes where my brother jumped out. But yeah. The answer.

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[01:01:07] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:01:07] Okay. Probably. Should I thought about that?

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[01:01:27] Like, what's going on here? And then once they're like, Oh no, this is, this is the thing. , then like, okay, this is, I can do this. We're just having a conversation.

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[01:01:36] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:01:36] I know it's, it's, it's pretty, uh, Yeah. It's easy to make it in your head out to be something that's going to be much scarier.

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[01:01:42] Lindy Swain: [01:01:42] Yeah. I think it was the thought of, okay, this is like a very permanent recording. That's going out to the entire world. And so being very careful

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[01:01:54] Lindy Swain: [01:01:54] Do you have a lot of subscribers and things like, I mean the whole peninsula though, like [01:02:00] that's the world of like people that actually

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[01:02:05] It's not much at all. It's uh, not at least worth losing any sleep over.

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[01:02:14] things

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[01:02:29] And now I'm kind of, my new thing is learning how to. Turn that into something that's a value to other people. And so I can actually sell it. Yeah. That's that would be a really good life to be able to just do something to actually enjoy. And that also benefits other people. That's that's really all I want.

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[01:03:06] Um, and now I can actually look back and see over the last three months, what the people are, who are listening.

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[01:03:13] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:03:13] Yeah. Just in terms of just like demographics and it's, it's helpful. It's also like the average listener is 24 to 35 and. Pretty even split male to female.

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[01:03:25] Yeah. Yeah. With our bakery stuff, it's like, there's definitely a much higher female, you know, audience.

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[01:03:39] Lindy Swain: [01:03:39] Really. I thought, see, I would've thought you'd say the opposite and it seems like

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[01:03:50] Like what's the situation for this person. And so with men, I notice a lot more that they care a lot more about like respect [01:04:00] and making sure that their status is acknowledged and these kinds of things that I don't give a fuck about. So women don't seem to care nearly as much about that stuff. And like, I know these are broad generalizations, right?

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[01:04:21] Lindy Swain: [01:04:21] Uh, let's see. What do you want me to talk

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[01:04:26] Where'd you, where'd you go to high school Kent? Yeah,

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[01:04:44] Cause I had a lot of my general studies done and then I went to Western, I think then you go to Western? Yeah. Oh yeah. So I went there for a couple of years and I worked, um, I just did more like pharmacy pre-recs that I needed and worked at an independent pharmacy there. And then I went to WSU for pharmacy school.

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[01:04:59] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:04:59] pharmacy school.

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[01:05:13] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:05:13] That's cool. And so that seems like a long time, what exactly what all the courses be about?

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[01:05:19] Lindy Swain: [01:05:19] gosh, you know, everything like I re you know, at the beginning, you're doing a lot of calculations of things. Like a mother brings in, , an amoxacillin suspension that was supposed to be refrigerated and she left it in the car and it was 77 degrees for two hours. , what is the degradation rate of this?

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[01:05:39] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:05:39] you're just, it's cool that you know how to do it. Well, I

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[01:05:51] There's a lot of like pharmacokinetics and you know, how, how drugs work in the body and how the body works on drugs.

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[01:06:17] I just wanted to know how the brain worked and how people think. And I wanted to kind of just get it up, up to date on what humans have figured out about ourselves up to the current time. And which is exactly what I got because I realized that we still don't know shit about yeah, hold on. Yeah. Not

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[01:06:57] Then back then, I was very much like a materialist. [01:07:00] I wanted things to make sense and be measurable and easy. And psychology was just like all interpretation. Yeah. And that's just not something I wanted to build a career on, I guess, but neuroscience, that's something where they're taking measurable data and drawing conclusions about it that are things we've , never learned about ourselves before.

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[01:07:25] Lindy Swain: [01:07:25] And what's funny is there's so many drugs where we're like, well, we think it does this in the brain, but really like, there's so many drugs that we don't know.

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[01:07:36] They will be very soon. It's going through trials I think right now, but okay. The, uh, yeah, it's like, uh, they think it does something with serotonin, but they don't really know. And anyone who's experienced that drug knows that it's. It's fucking trip. It's really, it's like nothing else. Yeah. There's definitely stuff going on in the brain that we're not aware of.

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[01:08:01] Lindy Swain: [01:08:01] And that's like, you know, especially now that we've had our experience with Dylan and everything and, you know, brain cancer and it just, it's hard not to be frustrated with the medical community in that regard that like, what, you know, now is like 4% of funding of all cancer goes to pediatric cancer.

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[01:08:26] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:08:26] Yeah, , there's a lot of stuff like where if you compare the numbers, it doesn't really seem to make a lot of sense.

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[01:08:37] Lindy Swain: [01:08:37] Yeah. Yeah. And you know, it's, Oh, that's a rare disease. I'm not, you know, the odds of me getting that are low versus like, okay. COVID is right here and anyone can get it.

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[01:08:50] I don't know. I don't know. Who knows. Yeah, this is, I'm going to get a little bit out there, but, , where do you think our consciousness comes from? Is the [01:09:00] Lindy in you a result of the biological functioning of your body creates this consciousness? Or is it a consciousness that inhabits this body? Like what kind of a, are you a dualist what do you think about it?

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[01:09:14] Lindy Swain: [01:09:14] I can't say that I've ever gone into that too much. No, I, I think there's definitely a consciousness that inhabits the body, you know? Um, I don't know. I mean, that's,

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[01:09:30] Lindy Swain: [01:09:30] I think it can influence the body,

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[01:09:33] Who you are. Is that the you, the me? I think so. Okay. Okay. If you cut off your arm, would you still be you? Yes. What about if you cut off your leg? Yes. What about your head? No. Why not? Well, I can't live without, if you could. Where does the soul live in your body? That's the

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[01:09:53] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:09:53] Yeah. Yeah. It's a weird

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[01:10:00] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:10:00] of them. Every episode is different, actually. I don't know if I've talked about this on a lot of them. Uh, I liked, I love thinking about weird trippy shit.

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[01:10:10] It's definitely like, especially with Dylan passing away, there's that element of you do think about the afterlife a lot more. Yeah. Are you religious at all? You know, we were raised based, , Lutheran, but kind of like a go to church on Easter and, , Christmas kind of family but then my parents sent, we all went to private school early on.

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[01:10:40] yeah, so we were, but it's not like a hardcore in our family, I guess I would say. Um, and that's nice. Yeah. And like, if anything, I think a lot of churches and things are a little bit off putting to me.

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[01:11:04] I mean, it's, I hate to say religious because it was not your typical childhood, but my mom was very much like tried really hard to make us very religious. My dad was different, so it was kind of a mix, but it made for the way I see the world is very fluid. I can, I can think about it from a lot of different points of view because I, I kind of have gone through each one of these points of view myself, but I, I tend to fall back into that kind of more abstract thought stuff and I feel really comfortable in that area.

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[01:11:36] Lindy Swain: [01:11:36] It's really interesting. I mean, I think there's a lot to learn and then it's so interesting how people do have the gifts to be able to tap into some of that more.

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[01:11:56] I don't know if that's ever going to be possible. I don't know. Like the observer [01:12:00] effect, the fact that if you're looking at a particle, it changes. So like when they're doing these quantum tests, they can locate a particle and it doesn't materialize into one place until it's observed. So , you know, on an, on an atom, it's got electrons, they're all going to all around the outside of it.

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[01:12:47] Right, right. That's I dunno. That's my theory on that. Yeah. , but who knows, who knows? Yeah. People are still evolving in ways that like are going to be, we're going to be completely different in 200 years. [01:13:00] I don't know. Well, we're definitely having some effect on our evolution because we're doing so many things to ourselves.

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[01:13:06] Lindy Swain: [01:13:06] we devolving?

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[01:13:10] Lindy Swain: [01:13:10] I mean, I don't know. I do worry about like just what we have done and some of what we put in our bodies and things.

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[01:13:25] Lindy Swain: [01:13:25] Probably just, , , worrying about, , my kids in the future, , hoping that. They end up being, , kind human beings and the planet is still sustainable. You know, like that, there's a world that, that is good for them and that they are good to the world.

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[01:13:44] Lindy Swain: [01:13:44] I have not listened to that one. I

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[01:13:55] Lindy Swain: [01:13:55] Yeah. It's very scary. I was just on the way here. I was listening to the one with you and Matt.

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[01:14:00] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:14:00] was a good one. Yeah. Yeah. He made me drink alcohol. Yeah.

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[01:14:11] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:14:11] I know he's got a great voice when I was editing it. I kept having to be like, Oh man, it's making me sound real.

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[01:14:24] Lindy Swain: [01:14:24] If you could have my nice shrill voice next to math,

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[01:14:30]Lindy Swain: [01:14:30] I don't know. But it's kind of like one of those like derogatory female statements. Yeah. Yeah. Like bossy and shrill.

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[01:14:46] Lindy Swain: [01:14:46] Hush. You know, it was hard because again, at this like Christian school, there was like, it was sort of like a, not a lot of dancing. And then when I did community college, I mean, it was pretty like strict.

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[01:15:06] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:15:06] I could see, I could see you being that person. I'm not that

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[01:15:12] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:15:12] you know? Yeah.

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[01:15:27] Lindy Swain: [01:15:27] but I think my judgment was so much towards like other people.

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[01:15:42] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:15:42] Yeah. So tricky. You still do. You still does that sneak into your head now as an adult?

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[01:15:51] Lindy Swain: [01:15:51] Yeah. The Catholic

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[01:16:10] Right. But I do think it's a real thing. It's I just think that our, we probably don't have the right kind of language to explain

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[01:16:23] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:16:23] into that. Sure. I like that stuff. Okay. What do you think of heaven and hell

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[01:16:30] Um, I definitely know, before Dylan passed away, , that she was having conversations with people that were not physical beings and right. Our grandma, , my mom's mom, grandma, penny, who my daughter is named after. , she like, we, we would say like, is it this person, is that this person? And she, when we said as a grandma, penny, yes.

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[01:17:02] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:17:02] Yeah, I do too. When you picture heaven, is it a place, like a physical place? Is it a, is it a realm where like, I have to kind of think that it's outside of space time?

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[01:17:19] And so we say heaven and like, they'll point to the sky. And, you know, , I just say, I don't know, , she could be right here with us. Like, we talk a lot about how, like, she might be there with us, the soul, you know, she's here in a

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[01:17:37] Two dimensions is an X on the table. You know, access going one way, access going the other way, three dimensions. You add this upward dimension. If you have a sphere and you place it in three dimensions, like we can see it as a ball because we're in three dimensions. But if you put it on a two dimensional plane is suddenly to us, it just looks like a flat circle on the table.

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[01:18:17] And then the fourth dimension, which is time, and then the fifth dimension is something else. It could very be very likely that there's other dimensional beings, including. People that used to be in this one. Yeah. Just right away. Exactly. Yeah. So I totally buy that. Yeah. That's what I tend to think. And , I think Kevin , is another way of explaining like a reabsorption into , the singularity of where everything came from.

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[01:19:20] Like you can see the whole thing all at once, and it's not, it's not limited by this has happened before this, before this, before this. And I don't know, I like thinking about it like that because it makes it seem like my life is not that important. I'm just one little drop in a giant C. Right. And so whatever I do and whatever I experienced while I'm here is all just bonus.

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[01:19:47]Lindy Swain: [01:19:47] It is. Yeah.

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[01:19:50] Lindy Swain: [01:19:50] to church? Um, we don't go to church here. Um, at one point we went to church, some in Spokane kind of off and on, and then moved here. Didn't really seek out a [01:20:00] church and then COVID and all that.

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[01:20:05] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:20:05] quite a bit, but Oh yeah. Yeah, you're definitely going to hell me too. I don't actually believe that. I, I think I've never believed that really, even when I was a church goer on a regular basis, it didn't ever feel like it was crucial to my relations.

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[01:20:27] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:20:27] I want so badly for it to be just like a legit place where it's really God and all that. And it's just too many humans there. Yeah. Selfish, greedy people. And we tend to mess things up when money's involved.

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[01:21:00] It feels good, but. It costs me money to make it so like a lot of time money to run a church,

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[01:21:11] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:21:11] devil dog. Every episode could be sponsored by Dylan's cottage, bakery, your brain. It tastes pretty good.

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[01:21:26] Donuts are a treat and there's some people that don't care, but we're trying to create more and more products for people that actually do care and like, um, get some dye-free sprinkles and things like that. That's something that Mark and I are pretty passionate, just trying to find like dye free products.

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[01:21:42] Lindy Swain: [01:21:42] It's colorful and

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[01:21:46] Lindy Swain: [01:21:46] Yeah. It's not the one that the adults usually gravitate towards, but I think it's the color confetti it's like, so abundant and fun.

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[01:21:57] Lindy Swain: [01:21:57] Yeah. It's a lot of sprinkles on that [01:22:00] donut.

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[01:22:01] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:22:01] That's Amelia's favorite donut.

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[01:22:08] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:22:08] Yeah. Amelia doesn't eat the cake or donut part of almost anything. It's just the frosting. , so my kids are extremely picky right now. We're in a phase where, , they get what they get because we don't have a kitchen.

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[01:22:34] Lindy Swain: [01:22:34] The same thing. I'd say, especially with our oldest, right?

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[01:22:54] It's like, there's always a holiday. There's always a birthday party. There's always someone feeding crap to your kids. And [01:23:00] it's, I guess a little bit hypocritical for me to say that as a bakery owner,

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[01:23:10] Lindy Swain: [01:23:10] a choice to buy

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[01:23:13] Lindy Swain: [01:23:13] It's like, hopefully we'll get more gluten-free vegan options, things where you can still have a treat

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[01:23:26] Lindy Swain: [01:23:26] hands. Yeah. Yeah.

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[01:23:35] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:23:35] Do you, do you have gluten-free stuff now? I

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[01:23:49] And we're like, no, don't eat anything from our bakery because there's mass cross-contamination. Yeah. So, you know, if you have a true gluten intolerance, like, no, you shouldn't eat anything.

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[01:24:00] [01:23:59] Lindy Swain: [01:23:59] true? Or if you're like, if you have diagnosed celiac disease. , but like, you know, for the average person like me, if I'm like, Oh, I'm not eating gluten right now.

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[01:24:19] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:24:19] eczema and things better inflammation tends to go down when you don't have it.

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[01:24:40] They're pickier and pickier. And then all of a sudden they're only eating like noodles and jeez.

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[01:24:50] Lindy Swain: [01:24:50] definitely given them to that. You know, given that in the morning at times. But

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[01:24:59] Okay.

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[01:25:18] It was not from our bakery. And, um, I mean they shit like leprechaun green for days. And I was just like, what is this doing inside of them? Yeah.

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[01:25:42] So there was, they would just be like on my counter all the time. And, , I hate those cupcakes. They're there. You can just smell that they're made with like chemicals, , nothing against. The grandma bringing them. That was a sweet thing to do, but

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[01:26:05] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:26:05] Yeah. It's hard to know where to go on that because we're in a bit of a pickle as a society with the way we produce food, like the size of our huge farms, they grow one crop that are killing the soil. , but we still have people starving in this country. It's like, damn, where do, where do you really go from there?

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[01:26:23] Lindy Swain: [01:26:23] And it's cheap food often tends to not be the best for you. So yeah,

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[01:26:47] It's not that good for the land and it's not that good. It is delicious. Right. So you can make a ton of things out of it. Yes. So it's useful, but yeah, it's going to take some growing pains , , as a society, [01:27:00] to actually transition into a more sustainable way of life.

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[01:27:13] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:27:13] I had everything, uh, mushrooms, but

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[01:27:31] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:27:31] food is always good.

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[01:27:47] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:27:47] I like Mexican food the best. I think Ty's can probably second. Do you cook?

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[01:27:54] Kind of like you guys, , at one point I really had the plan and I would make meals and stuff, and then it's [01:28:00] just, yeah. Kids in life and being so busy, it's kind of fallen apart. And so half the time it's yeah. Scrambling for something. And often we'll just eat like meat and vegetables or something, you know, and it's pretty easy.

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[01:28:15] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:28:15] Yeah. The clam chowder there is pretty

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[01:28:20] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:28:20] there. So you have any kids doing sports right now? ,

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[01:28:28] So she's in karate two days a week and she's doing horseback writing lessons. Oh wow. Red barn.

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[01:28:34] Lindy Swain: [01:28:34] Yeah. Yeah. She really likes them. She I've tried. I tried with baseball and stuff and, or softball and T-ball and all that, and she wouldn't go for it so well,

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[01:28:45] Yeah. I mean,

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[01:28:47] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:28:47] guess if I had to pick between becoming a horseback Ninja and a baseball player, easy decision. No.

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[01:28:57] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:28:57] At the very least they're going to make her a more interesting person. Yeah.

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[01:29:02] Lindy Swain: [01:29:02] Exactly. Yeah. I think she's going to start some tennis lessons. So I was just calling that lighthouse resort that does

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[01:29:11] Lindy Swain: [01:29:11] It was fun. That's what I was thinking. I used to play some tennis and Mark knows how to play.

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[01:29:16] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:29:16] Yeah. That'd be a good family activity. Yeah.

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[01:29:21] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:29:21] out. Yeah. Yeah. It's not easy these days, especially, or, I mean, it's becoming easier again and stuff opens back up. But yeah, like when trails and stuff were even closed, you couldn't even go hiking.

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[01:29:32] Lindy Swain: [01:29:32] Yeah. Yeah. I did not have any outlet.

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[01:29:38] Lindy Swain: [01:29:38] pretty good. That's what we've really liked living here, you know, compared to Spokane, it's, it's an adjustment, right? Because in Spokane you have three distinct, four seasons, a lot more winter sports, and Mark's a skier and we want all the kids to ski, but, um, I don't, I dabbled in at, at times, but it's, I don't have too much fear of injury and things.

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[01:30:14] Learn it like young don't. Yeah. So I think next year, we're going to figure out a way to make a concerted effort to do that and go do skiing

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[01:30:25] Lindy Swain: [01:30:25] I tried that a little bit in high school too, and no. I thought skiing was the easier of the two, but I was not good

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[01:30:32] Everybody says that, but skiing was not easy for me at all.

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[01:30:37] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:30:37] natural with snowboard the way I figure skiing, I didn't like, cause you had to face straight down the Hill. You had no, like, I don't know. I just felt unstable to me. And , I'm a side sleeper, so I thought I'd probably be a side slider down the mountain or also okay.

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[01:30:51] Lindy Swain: [01:30:51] If sleeping actually like correlates to,

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[01:31:10] It's just like, looks like asking for death. Yeah. Terrifying. That's

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[01:31:20] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:31:20] really? Is he like, he's a dare devil on the rope swing guy.

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[01:31:31] Yeah. I mean, he's pretty adventurous.

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[01:31:34] Lindy Swain: [01:31:34] Yeah. That situation was before I knew if it were after you would have been with him. Okay. Oh, I don't know. I would be pretty mad at him to put himself into a stupid situation like that. And now, you know, and everything changes once you have kids too.

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[01:31:47] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:31:47] level of risk. He's not doing mountaineering trips anymore.

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[01:32:02] I only did this because we were dating and I don't really like this.

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[01:32:07] Lindy Swain: [01:32:07] I don't know, we did it a couple times. Not really. It's just, I can't, it wasn't really my thing, but you're just trying to, yeah. I'm like, let's just go for a walk or a little hike, you know, that's thrilling enough for me.

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[01:32:22] Lindy Swain: [01:32:22] Yeah. Yeah. He has , obviously a much higher threshold for dopamine.

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[01:32:33] That's one thing I still want to.

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[01:32:37] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:32:37] Yeah, it looks scary.

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[01:32:43] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:32:43] with. Oh, that tandem job doesn't sound great then.

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[01:32:49] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:32:49] Yeah. My friend, Geoff, who's like 250 pounds. He went skydiving in Hawaii and he said his instructor was like a small guy, like 115 pounds. [01:33:00] So he's , got this guy on his back and , the tandem guy's supposed to be in charge, but it was really like, he was just riding Geoff Hylton through the sky,

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[01:33:09] Huh.

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[01:33:21] Lindy Swain: [01:33:21] Yeah. It's not natural. I would rather skydive than

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[01:33:29] Lindy Swain: [01:33:29] I don't like that idea of the snap.

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[01:33:45] Not like a bridge. No. , that's just too scary. Yeah. I would try it. I bet. No, probably wouldn't the bridge thing. Now

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[01:34:00] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:34:00] I know. I love her work.

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[01:34:04] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:34:04] she been the Baker there for awhile?

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[01:34:24] And then she was working for the co-op, , at the time that we poached her from there, I guess, but we're so happy to have her go off the Estoria co-op okay. So she's amazing. Because she actually knows a little bit more about what she's doing than we do, because we're just like, Oh, we have these great ideas and do this and do that.

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[01:34:46] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:34:46] uh, hard to say, it's probably for some, I guess the ones that quit

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[01:34:51] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:34:51] Right? Yeah. So I know that, well, Jeff and Casey had business through the pharmacy and stuff. Did you guys have any, you and Mark have any business [01:35:00] experience

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[01:35:04] So he has his own business in that regard, but no. , and that's where it's, it's been a great thing with family because Jeff is Jeff loves business and that side of it he's, you know, like the sociopath that you referenced earlier that that's probably Jeff. , so he has been really good. He kind of is like the business person.

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[01:35:34] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:35:34] building. Yeah. I've never seen the back of that place.

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[01:35:37] Lindy Swain: [01:35:37] Oh, well you should come in for a tour. I would love to, you should come in since you get up so early sometimes just come in at 2:00 AM and like see the baking, see the whole operation. I would love to do that. Yeah. And if you want another job, you know,

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[01:35:50] The, yeah, but baking is fun. I've always liked it. That's yeah. When I was a teenager, I used to bake a lot,

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[01:36:00] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:36:00] scenes tour. Yeah. I would love to do that. That sounds fun. Yeah. Is there an upstairs to that place or is it just, no, it's just the room one level.

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[01:36:10] Lindy Swain: [01:36:10] there? Somewhere. There is an office, like way in the back and I mean, we are just busting at the seams, so there's just stuff everywhere. It's tricky. I've

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[01:36:21] Lindy Swain: [01:36:21] No. I mean, that's such like a, it's such a great spot to be right on the main drag there.

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[01:36:31] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:36:31] it right next to it. And I just build it. You feel it in between.

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[01:36:42] Yeah.

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[01:36:46] Lindy Swain: [01:36:46] It's nice to have the tables there and have it be a little quieter. , but no, definitely just the growth, the amount of business that we're doing and the amount of stuff that, that takes and trying to find space and we have way more employees than previous [01:37:00] owners.

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[01:37:01] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:37:01] it's hard. I bet it is, but it seems like it's going really well. Yeah.

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[01:37:16] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:37:16] regard.

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[01:37:21]Lindy Swain: [01:37:21] Yeah, I think so. Yeah. We make donations to the foundation based on certain products and things. , and then. The hope is to build a community center. , so definitely, yeah, Casey and Jeff would be the ones to talk to about that.

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[01:37:41] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:37:41] yeah. Yeah. We've needed something like that for a really long

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[01:37:45] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:37:45] community. Yeah. And especially as the community kind of seems to be growing real estate selling people are coming to the coast from the big cities.

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[01:37:54] Lindy Swain: [01:37:54] And there's no more like the boys and girls club, that's not an option for afterschool anymore. So yeah, it's hard. [01:38:00] Like I, you know, I have to get penny every day after school that there's no after-school care. So limits what parents are able to do.

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[01:38:08] So yeah.

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[01:38:20] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:38:20] those places are. There's led better.

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[01:38:36] Lindy Swain: [01:38:36] That's very intricate as an outsider.

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[01:38:50] It's not a town and it may never have been actually, I don't know, but it's like the beach approach it's named Clipse and beach, so weird community. Um, I [01:39:00] imagine as a coming into it from a bigger place, especially. Like these people are weird.

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[01:39:14] Right. Because everyone, like a lot of your guests, it's like, Oh, well we went to high school together. We go way back and you're like, Hey, I'm new here. And I don't have any friends,

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[01:39:29] Lindy Swain: [01:39:29] don't know about that. Um, well, yeah.

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[01:39:44] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:39:44] Casey and Jeff are still . Intimidating to me I grew up here and , I knew who Jeff was long before he knew who I was. I'm quite a bit younger also. So it's like

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[01:39:54] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:39:54] together? No, no, but I was like, they're just very important members of the [01:40:00] community.

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[01:40:16] Lindy Swain: [01:40:16] Yeah.

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[01:40:24] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:40:24] These group of people. Absolutely. I didn't know any of those people until I got together with Melissa. Okay. Like I just knew of them who they were from living in the same community, but it was like this whole other world of like.

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[01:40:44] Lindy Swain: [01:40:44] And that's not true at all. And they don't think that, I don't

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[01:40:56] That's like the peninsula. No, the, the upper-crust the finest [01:41:00] you guys you're you and Mark fell right in that group. You guys got lucky. Well,

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[01:41:05] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:41:05] that group then let me tell you that's feeling great. It's it seems like it's been a real smooth transition. I hope so.

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[01:41:19] So he'll, and he doesn't care about your statuses. You know, he just loves to talk to

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[01:41:34] That's such an unpleasant trait. It's hard to get away from with some, but

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[01:41:42] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:41:42] Oh yeah. I think the first time I met you guys was at, um, Tim and Aaron. Yeah, I think so.

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[01:41:49] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:41:49] Yeah. Yeah. That's what it was. Yeah. Everybody already seemed to know who you were. Okay. Well,

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[01:42:08] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:42:08] so yeah.

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[01:42:12] Lindy Swain: [01:42:12] Yeah. Which does help, you know, and that the Herald family has been so nice to us. Like even if Casey and Jeff are out of town, they invite us to everything. And so that's been nice because other than Casey and Jeff, we don't have any family here, so it's not like either of our parents are here.

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[01:42:32] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:42:32] It is nice to be part of a community. Yeah. , do you guys think you'd be here indefinitely? You stay at, you're staying for life,

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[01:42:40], that's the one thing we've learned probably through this whole journey is that like circumstances can change so rapidly and, and you know, if anything, , This whole thing has made, you know, made us, I think, appreciate life and like what's important and rethink things like, rather than just like we're on this wheel and , this is what we're going to do.

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[01:43:07] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:43:07] We're just here for a minute. Yeah.

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[01:43:22]Lindy Swain: [01:43:22] no. Just thank you for having me on here. It's been fun to hear different voices of the community and like get to even Tiffany who I, you know, kind of know from going on walks and things with Casey, it's cool to actually hear more of people's past and more about them as a person.

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[01:43:36] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:43:36] you're doing is pretty cool. Thank you. It's it's really cool to get to know people. this has been a great opportunity for me just to. Expand who I know, a lot of the people I've known forever. I like you said before from high school or whatever, but I wouldn't have gotten a chance to sit down and talk to Tiffany or to you or to a lot of people.

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[01:44:01] Lindy Swain: [01:44:01] You got to share some with your family. Maybe there's a couple of Dillon donuts

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[01:44:10] Okay. I imagine there's probably a maple bar in there too. There is a maple part.

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[01:44:14] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:44:14] bar. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Is that Dylan's doesn't

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[01:44:23] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:44:23] that's a good mix. It is a good mix.

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[01:44:31] Lindy Swain: [01:44:31] It's really easy on Facebook and Instagram. It's just at Dylan's cottage bakery.

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[01:44:42] Bye.