Episode 26
Catching Waves, Fermentation, and Mother Nature Appreciation with Jacob Moore
Jacob Moore loves to make things. As the founder and lead craftsman at Jacob's Hammer and assistant distiller at Adrift Distillers in Long Beach, Washington, you can always find him deep in the process of creation. He makes booze, sour kraut, and opportunities. He views life as an adventure to be sipped-and-savored. Listen-in as he and Jeff talk homemade fermented foods, surfing, and natural resources. We cover the fungi that lives beneath our feet, the bacteria that lives in our gut, and the passion that lives in our hearts (not to mention the mold in our lungs). Jeff vents about his hatred of people who illegally dump trash in the woods, and even teaches Jake his favorite beach game to play with the kids: Who can find the first used needle?
This is a really fun conversation and I hope you enjoy!
Topics/keywords:
Culture, aquaculture, agriculture, horticulture, fermentation, lacto-fermentation, bacterial, fungi, sour kraut, Kimchi, micro-biome, gut bacterial, Adrift Distillers, Matt Lessnau, high school band, bullying, guitar, Dire Straights, music, Willapa Bay, airboats, Spartina alterniflora, Willapa National Wildlife Refuge, wetlands, estuary, alternative lifestyles, Greg Rekart, waves, atmospheric pressure, ocean waves, wave dynamics, “feeling bottom”, energy, surfing, wave barrel, climate, trade winds, Hawaii, Oahu, NOAA, tide charting, artificial intelligence, shortboard, longboard, big wave surfing, Waikiki Beach, Cape Disappointment State Park, Washington Coast, ocean photography, Eddie Aiko, Waimea Bay, Eddie Aikau, surf competition, Olympic lifting, weight lifting, menstrating dogs, toddlers, Marine Mammal Protection Act (1972), Nixon, National Wilderness, travel, germ theory, tetanus, human skin, biotechnology, staph infection, MRSA, “Find the used needle”, littering, Columbia River, Beach Clean-up, Sand Island, styrofoam waste, furniture off-gassing, new car smell, olfactory sensation, allergies, oysters, Willapa Bay Oyster Growers Association, ghost shrimp, burrowing shrimp, carbaryl, imidacloprid, eel grass, Zostera japonica, Zostera marina, Wright Flyer, Smithsonian Institute, University of Washington, Environmental Studies, mold, FCC, Joe Rogan, memes, Dogecoin, Bitcoin, cryptocurrencies, Shiba inu, Elon Musk, Mark Cuban, inflation, Mana, Decentraland, Federal Reserve, oligarchy, Dr. Kim Patten, Washington State University extension, fish nerds, coastal people, reading, audiobooks, books, literacy, journaling, divorce, emotional intelligence, meditation, mindfulness, Headspace, chakras, ancient wisdom, impulsivity, falling in love, prophetic dreams, alcoholism, Jacob’s Hammer,
Links:
Jacob's Hammer instagram: @Jacobs_hammer_
Business inquiries/guest booking: Ramblebytheriver@gmail.com
Website: Ramblebytheriver.captivate.fm
Facebook: Jeff Nesbitt (Ramble by the River)https://www.facebook.com/jeff.nesbitt.9619
Instagram: @ramblebytheriver
Twitter: @RambleRiverPod
Youtube: https://youtube.com/channel/UCNiZ9OBYRxF3fJ4XcsDxLeg
Music Credit(s):
Still Fly, Revel Day.
Music Credits:
Too Excited, Mica Emery.
Transcript
026 Jacob Moore
Note: This transcript was created using Descript A.I. and has not been error-corrected.
[:[00:00:31] That's probably where most of it will be. We're still taking suggestions that includes for guests or topics or whatever criticism of the show, whatever you got. Go ahead and hit me up and do it through any service, Instagram, Twitter, or Facebook, whatever email, even all of that information is available in the show notes.
[:[00:01:16] Cause it's like, Oh, Billy likes ramble by the river. So Sally is probably going to like it too, because they have a lot in common. So it really matters. I'm not doing a whole lot of marketing. I'm not doing a lot of advertising at all. This is the way we're going to spread this show. So as a Ram fam, we got to get together and spread it around a little bit.
[:[00:01:51] If you happen to have one of those thoughts where your brain tells you, Oh yeah. So-and-so would really be interested in that little tidbit of information. [00:02:00] And, you know, we get these kinds of thoughts all the time and usually you just have it and then move on with your life. And if you ever see that person, you maybe bring it up.
[:[00:02:28] You know, what if they think you're weird for listening to a weird podcast who cares life is great. Life is complicated and they're probably going to get over it. And they'll probably be interested in who knows. They might even like to show to my point, is this share it, let's get into it. Let's make it a community.
[:[00:02:59] I don't know about [00:03:00] you, but I get stumped when it comes to buying gifts in particular, when it comes to buying gifts for my female companion, my wife, and you know, it's not that easy. You would think it would be easy because there's shit everywhere to buy, but it just seems like the more shit is out there.
[:[00:03:36] Blood diamonds, you know, Leo DiCaprio is against it. And so I'm against it. Just like global warming. Let's face it. A lot of that diamond bullshit. You shouldn't be wasting your money on it. You know, they dug a rock out of the ground, they cut it into a shape that looked fancy, and then they sold it to you for a 10000% markup.
[:[00:04:09] You know what? There are better options. And one of them is coming at you right now. And that's Jacob's hammer. Jacob is a man who likes to make things. He's a craftsman. He's a Renaissance man, which I don't know if you know what Renaissance man means, but that means a guy who knows how to do lots of shit with Jacobs hammer.
[:[00:04:43] There are no competitors that are coming anywhere. Close. They look awesome. They have all kinds of different designs. They're artistic, they're creative. Each one is made by hand and they're special. So the next time that you are stumped and you need to get something really special for that loved one, go check out [00:05:00] Jacob's hammer.
[:[00:05:17] And if you want to just go look at the pieces in real life, there is a display case at a drift hotel and distillery right there in the lobby, Sterling silver oyster shell earrings, which are my personal favorite. They're beautiful. They are really one of a kind, each pair is different and you really can see the craftsmanship.
[:[00:05:49] my guest today is owner and head craftsmen at Jacob's hammer, assistant distiller at adrift distillers in long beach, Washington, and he's former project coordinator for the Willapa oyster growers [00:06:00] association, ladies and gentlemen, without further ado, please enjoy this interview with the delightful and multitalented Jacob Moore.
[:[00:06:10] Jacob Moore: [00:06:10] really well. I am probably some sauerkraut is
[:[00:06:22] Jacob Moore: [00:06:22] Uh, maybe
[:[00:06:30] Jacob Moore: [00:06:30] Well, I'm excited to see what you think.
[:[00:06:36] Spirits that you brewed helped con
[:[00:06:42] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:06:42] this point. Sounds good to me, man. I made a joke about, Oh, you probably heard it. If you listened to Matt's podcast, I made a joke about him and me jerking each other off, and he did not acknowledge it like a half an hour later. I had to bring it up again, just to acknowledge that it was in fact a joke [00:07:00] and I did not have any intention of.
[:[00:07:10] spoken all the greenery labor handed down to me, but I'm still, I'm still flying. I
[:[00:07:21] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:07:21] I'm still, I'm still flying. Let's go.
[:[00:08:24] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:08:24] of course. It was fun though. Um, that's part of this is just like, Learning where people's boundaries are calling conversationally. Okay. Cause they're, they're very different. Everybody's like, I'm pretty open person, you know that. Um, but even me, like there's some stuff where I just like bump up against the topic and I'm just like, I do not want to go in there.
[:[00:08:59] Jacob Moore: [00:08:59] for sure. [00:09:00] Nothing good
[:[00:09:09] Not really. It's super simple. Uh, you eventually just forget it's even there for sure. I was going to say this. We could try it without headphones. Um, this would be the first time we've done the whole thing without headphones. Yeah, I think it'll probably go fine. I just haven't before, because it's, it helps you kind of figure out.
[:[00:09:38] Jacob Moore: [00:09:38] well, how do you think my volume is
[:[00:09:42] Well, maybe I'll start with
[:[00:09:45] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:09:45] it sounds, I recommend that actually it works pretty good, but yeah, I was getting everything set up earlier and it was like giving me a list. Cause it just, where runs in back here. Sure. I'm close to the braces being over. Oh. Um, but they still [00:10:00] affect how I speak.
[:[00:10:12] Jacob Moore: [00:10:12] Um, how long have you had them on,
[:[00:10:27] Um,
[:[00:10:33] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:10:33] There, there really, it was more of like the social thing. I was embarrassed. I have no idea why I'm embarrassed to have the braces on or yeah. I was more embarrassed to have braces than I was to have crooked teeth for some reason.
[:[00:11:05] Yeah. Uh, but it started affecting my alignment of my jaw and my hearing. Cause it's like messes with how I swallow and the muscles in my neck. It just like start fucking with everything because there wasn't enough room in my mouth for all my big ass teeth. So I had to adjust and, you know, make some space for sure.
[:[00:11:29] Jacob Moore: [00:11:29] Less wear and tear too. Cause your teeth fit
[:[00:11:39] Get, throw some braces on there. Man. Makes a world of difference. I wear a mouth guard. Oh yeah. I do buy you must have gotten a good one that the dentist provided or do you get you go through the cheap ones at the store? I don't understand how you can get one at Walmart for $8 and then go to the dentist and it's four 75 or something.
[:[00:12:08] Jacob Moore: [00:12:08] Well, I'm passionate about surfing. Oh yeah. I'd love and art and, and culture, um, culture in a really, not necessarily a I, how do I put it?
[:[00:12:24] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:12:24] things. Oh, okay. Um, agriculture or agriculture
[:[00:12:32] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:12:32] They're kind of the same thing. Yeah. So bio culture, not like, uh, just human
[:[00:12:52] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:12:52] me.
[:[00:12:56] Jacob Moore: [00:12:56] well this lacto fermentation, sauerkraut and [00:13:00] whatnot kombucha, um, That was a pretty recent development pandemic. Oh, development. Yeah. Survival
[:[00:13:08] Jacob Moore: [00:13:08] Yup. And, uh, as for alcoholic fermentations, I don't know. I've always thought it was kind of a magical concept. And then about when Matt and I started experimenting in like 2016, I think it was that's when I started actually, you know, fermenting sugars and,
[:[00:13:36] Jacob Moore: [00:13:36] Now my old friend companion, the boys club. That's right.
[:[00:13:46] Jacob Moore: [00:13:46] We can't really
[:[00:13:58] And he's like, no, no, I [00:14:00] did not. I was like, nah, you did, you did. I'm sure of it trumpet all the way for years. I think
[:[00:14:08] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:14:08] I played the baritone. Totally. I loved it. Yeah. I switched from flute to baritone. Yeah, that was quite a jump. Yeah, I wasn't made for the flute. It didn't speak to me too much.
[:[00:14:26] Jacob Moore: [00:14:26] probably not going to get braces until you're in your
[:[00:14:39] I really should have just played the guitar. My mom plays guitar and she used to always try to get me to learn it. And because it was my mom, I was like, no, it's definitely lame. No one's ever going to get laid that way. Doing what their mom thinks is cool. Right. Um, I was wrong about that. Should have done it.
[:[00:14:58] Jacob Moore: [00:14:58] Yeah. They are a [00:15:00] convenient instruments, you know,
[:[00:15:15] And I was just like, how the fuck is he doing? I've been hanging out with this guy for months and he's had this magic in his fingers all along. I had no
[:[00:15:26] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:15:26] grass. You know, that was good too. It's nice to have people out there who can have a deep conversation. Totally. Some of the best out there in the wild, in the mud flats.
[:[00:15:41] Jacob Moore: [00:15:41] like telling
[:[00:15:44] Jacob Moore: [00:15:44] used to have to head out on an airboat every morning. It was really loud and Dawn just hung on. That's
[:[00:16:03] Yeah. Um, cause ed was my supervisor when I first started at the refuge. Like my first month there, I was. Like it was, I was still technically in high school cause we, me and Colton got the job. The during spring break is one of the applications went out in our senior year of high school. So the federal government does that when it started, no, there had been, the program had been going for a few years.
[:[00:16:44] Yeah. As, as one of the most successful mass eradications in history, probably if not the most successful, I always say that, but I haven't looked at the other one. Right. Yeah. And so all this money got spent on, on staff and [00:17:00] equipment and most of it funneled into the Willapa national wildlife refuge. So they hired a giant staff and they gave us these boats with Chevy Five-O twos and four 50 fours and Milton up high.
[:[00:17:45] Spartina, alternate floor is a grass it's called cord grass most in most of the world. And he would circle it pivoted like, and we would just hose it depending on it all because they're round. Yeah, exactly. So you're basically doing like [00:18:00] spinning cookies all day. If you know what that is. I don't know. Is that a regional thing?
[:[00:18:33] Jacob Moore: [00:18:33] like 18 days in a row and you're get sometimes 12
[:[00:18:38] Jacob Moore: [00:18:38] Yeah. See when I was in there, you know, we were applying a gallon a day per person
[:[00:18:48] Jacob Moore: [00:18:48] Yeah. We just walked the worst. The worst part about the job was that at times it was just so boring, tedious, like looking for something for six hours and not finding it gets pretty boring.
[:[00:19:01] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:19:01] totally. Yeah. We're trying our best here. I I'm starting to try to be okay with living my life in a somewhat non-traditional way, because the world's changing around us. We have no choice where we're not going to be able to live the same anymore because the world is different.
[:[00:19:35] Like, and when, before you could keep your world kind of sectioned off. Holy shit, man. I see you got a monkey fist on your key chain. Yep. I have no exact same one on my key chain. Yeah. Yeah. Captain Greg I've been talking with him are overqualified. Huh? For real. I'm trying to get him on here. Yeah. That'd be a
[:[00:19:56] He got the voice tone and everything.
[:[00:20:17] Yeah. I like to talk about waves too on almost like a nerdy level. Um, cause they're in everything. And like, even if you get down to a small enough level, um, like quantum waves, the wave wave form and all that really interesting shit. Um, I think waves are one of the dynamics, just one of the foundational structures of existence, the wave, the wave form.
[:[00:20:40] Jacob Moore: [00:20:40] a breaking water wave is a really special instance.
[:[00:20:49] Jacob Moore: [00:20:49] and surfing is, uh, interacting with that is intimate wave. You
[:[00:20:59] Jacob Moore: [00:20:59] Uh, [00:21:00] it looks like, uh, an
[:[00:21:02] Yeah, it
[:[00:21:08] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:21:08] Yeah. That's interesting. Like, I didn't know how much specificity we have about describing a wave, how you labeled it, label it and stuff. Yeah. Through the life of a wave when it like feels bottom and changes and it sends the energy a different direction, eventually breaks.
[:[00:21:26] Jacob Moore: [00:21:26] So there's to lose energy due to drag the, the more abruptly it loses energy, the more powerful the wave is because it's releasing its energy in a shorter amount of time. Well, when a wave releases its energy quickly, that's when it pitches a lip or like throws out, okay. Hooks and forms a barrel or avoid that you can theoretically be inside.
[:[00:22:03] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:22:03] Have you ever done one? That sounds fun. It looks fun.
[:[00:22:11] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:22:11] it out. Do we get that a lot here?
[:[00:22:15] Jacob Moore: [00:22:15] Wow. The thing is, uh, you know, every piece of shoreline just about expose to a large body of water, you know, Mediterranean sea, great lakes included. Oh wow. You will have days where you got good conditions. And it's just a matter of how often that happens. Like in Hawaii, you got trade winds.
[:[00:22:47] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:22:47] away. So they're nice long waves. Yeah.
[:[00:22:56] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:22:56] they get, like publishes it up kind of in a
[:[00:23:03] Uh, sort of settles
[:[00:23:10] Jacob Moore: [00:23:10] Much deeper off shore. And that's a huge one. We've got this continental shelf out here and, uh, Eno, large swells field, the bottom at the continental shelf and they lose energy for 150 miles or whatever it is that before they get to shore in Hawaii, they don't lose anything.
[:[00:23:27] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:23:27] there. It's a volcano
[:[00:23:38] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:23:38] so what do those numbers mean? So
[:[00:23:47] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:23:47] wave to the trough. And this is the heartbreaks measured before, right.
[:[00:23:51] Jacob Moore: [00:23:51] by a buoy out in deep water, blue goes up and down and it measures that distance up and down, and then it averages it [00:24:00] and makes trends
[:[00:24:04] Jacob Moore: [00:24:04] the good buoys are the Noah data buoys and that's all online. Cool. And then there's different websites that will take forecasts and real time data and sort of process it for the surfer.
[:[00:24:24] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:24:24] It'll probably get better and better as AI improves.
[:[00:24:36] That's what I was getting now. There's places in Hawaii where the conditions are good all the time, so you can go serve on every day. But when you live here in Chinook from December, January, and February, uh, the amount of days that you can surf is pretty small, really just because it's so
[:[00:24:56] Yeah. So you're going to get crushed
[:[00:25:20] And when you want to catch a breaking wave, then you scoot out of the channel. Oh, over to the, the lineup, the break itself. But, uh, we don't have a whole lot of that around here. Like the seas, the coven seaside, it's got a, a channel, a ramp.
[:[00:25:40] Well, that that's what gets you out there pretty comfortably, but it's probably saved some energy that way too. A lot of
[:[00:25:58] If you're going out. The only [00:26:00] way to get back in is to, uh, get out in that surf and ride something in. Uh,
[:[00:26:09] Jacob Moore: [00:26:09] Yeah. And that's hard. It takes a while to, to learn enough about a surf break, to really know what you're looking at before you get in, especially places like the Cove where you end up being pretty far from shore.
[:[00:26:44] Like, what was I thinking like, this is, this is suicide. I have to get out of here. I can't do this. And a lot of them around here, uh, when, when they do get too big, no, one's surfing them. It's not a matter, matter of not having them guts [00:27:00] necessarily. Like I said, we just don't have breaks around here that can handle a ton of size.
[:[00:27:10] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:27:10] the coast, but have you ever gone to Hawaii and surfed out there?
[:[00:27:17] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:27:17] served a few days. I was on a wahoo during the Eddie a couple of years ago. Holy shit, man.
[:[00:27:43] It's just insane.
[:[00:27:48] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:27:48] Yeah. Yeah. Do you have any ambitions to be a surfer that can do something like that? You appreciate being alive.
[:[00:28:06] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:28:06] No, it doesn't sound
[:[00:28:09] Is, is going big. Yeah. One of
[:[00:28:22] Jacob Moore: [00:28:22] Yeah. And for me, a lot of it is the chase, you know, especially around here with the waves, not being good very often. When you go to a place that.
[:[00:28:46] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:28:46] must have to check often, like, or you, you just you're taking conditions often. Yeah. Check
[:[00:28:52] I don't physically check very often because I'm a dad too, and you're busy when I'm busy [00:29:00] and when I go, I don't want to get skunked, you know, I used to get
[:[00:29:17] You want to go when you know, you're going to hit and
[:[00:29:33] And I'm curious to see what happens when this is going on.
[:[00:29:39] Jacob Moore: [00:29:39] Um, I've gone to what you'd call a short board. Just a little thing that, um, needs a relatively powerful wave, uh,
[:[00:29:59] Jacob Moore: [00:29:59] Yes, [00:30:00] exactly. Yup. Yup. Those boards allow that, um, If you want to, uh, get towards the barrel or ride really heavy waves, um,
[:[00:30:13] Good. Because they're harder to learn. Yeah. Basically
[:[00:30:21] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:30:21] but uh,
[:[00:30:33] So if
[:[00:30:44] Jacob Moore: [00:30:44] like I said, the shortboard needs a powerful wave and even if it's got some size, but it's not very powerful, it's going to mushy. You don't want to be on a short word.
[:[00:31:11] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:31:11] yeah. Yeah. Thanks for my birthday with me, man. Cheers.
[:[00:31:18] Jacob Moore: [00:31:18] I digress. Oh, now that I'm in my thirties. Um, if it isn't like nice and pumping and short board surf, I just ride my longboard. It's just so much more fun because it's less work, especially if there's a crowd. You can scoot around and NAB more waves ago, go on Britain. And you just have more fun. You get more surf, you spend more time surfing and less time floating, chesty, cold water and
[:[00:31:44] I remember when you guys started doing that in high school, or when I first became aware of it in high school, I had grown up here and thought it was impossible to surf. I had heard so many people in my life talk about how, Oh, you can't serve here. And then I just
[:[00:32:00] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:32:00] risk dying.
[:[00:32:07] Jacob Moore: [00:32:07] no joke when I bought my first board and my first wetsuit, my plan was to go down to Waikiki and catch these waves because I was sure they were surfable. They weren't too small,
[:[00:32:20] Jacob Moore: [00:32:20] But that's just the misconception, you know, knee-high waves
[:[00:32:43] Jacob Moore: [00:32:43] at is that I literally thought I was the first, when I walked up to Waikiki to start this journey, I thought no one had ever done it before.
[:[00:33:00] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:33:00] really? I never knew. Yeah. It's a little Cove funnels and right in there, squeeze them down. Does that, does that have a pretty good effect?
[:[00:33:14] Wave will wash in and then refract off of the jetty or the Cape. And that little wave is now traveling in a different direction because it's bounced off. And that meets up with the next wave in the set and where they meet you get constructive interference and you get a peak, which is where you want to take off.
[:[00:33:39] Jacob Moore: [00:33:39] This, this last winter was record-breaking in the Pacific. North American big
[:[00:33:57] It was really cool. And it was for good reason. I couldn't [00:34:00] like you can't take your eyes off. It. It's just like the biggest show.
[:[00:34:05] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:34:05] you can feel it in your car. It's like, Holy shit. That's a lot
[:[00:34:17] They were bigger than they look like once, once he, once you approach them, you're like, wow, this isn't just big. It's like, I think I'm going to die. Get out. And you will
[:[00:34:31] Jacob Moore: [00:34:31] yeah, it's amazing. The perspective. It really is until you go out there time and time and time again, it's really hard to know, really know what's going on.
[:[00:34:44] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:34:44] the way. Yeah. When you're on the shore and you see people out there surfing, and they're really small and you're like, Oh, that is much further out. And it looks right into perspective is all messed up because behind it is.
[:[00:35:06] Jacob Moore: [00:35:06] surf in the river. Yeah. Cause the conditions have to be just right
[:[00:35:10] I mean like on a fishing boat or something, have you ever been out there and really high surf, like, uh, to where you were actually a little bit scared? No. Uh, I I've been out there once when it was big enough. I was just like sitting on it, standing out on the stern of the boat, holding onto the railing and watching this wall of water far above my head, just chasing the boat.
[:[00:35:37] Jacob Moore: [00:35:37] And the amount of mass that's just physically
[:[00:35:44] Jacob Moore: [00:35:44] yeah. Writing a powerful wave makes you feel like a feather in the wind and you're just like riding this wave.
[:[00:36:04] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:36:04] they're going to break around whatever they hit. Yep. They're not going to
[:[00:36:14] Catch the waves and then surf the waves and a lot goes into the first three.
[:[00:36:31] Jacob Moore: [00:36:31] like foraging for mushrooms.
[:[00:36:35] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:36:35] always a better one. And to find them, you got to know where they like to grow and you gotta know what they like to eat. Or like, that's something that as I age, I'm realizing more and more is there, you can take your attention and put it so many different places.
[:[00:37:09] Or you can put your attention on figuring out who's talking shit about you or who has a nicer car or so many things that just wouldn't get in your flesh and just distract you from what is really important, which is like finding what makes you happy, finding what makes you feel like a successful human?
[:[00:37:32] Jacob Moore: [00:37:32] Well, let's see. I've always been really
[:[00:37:50] Jacob Moore: [00:37:50] do you do for work early now? As opposed to like occasionally surfing and occasionally surfing like forties in a row and then being broken up.
[:[00:38:04] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:38:04] I heard you've been over and of course the Casa de Hilton. Yeah. That's a, that's an intimidating place from time to time to be, to work out. It takes a lot of like motivation to get in there. Um, I was going there for awhile at five in the morning and I eventually had to stop pretty dark how'd you end?
[:[00:38:44] I feel so weak and like such a little bitch trying to lift with Jeff that it made it like ruins my workout or puts a pain in your
[:[00:38:54] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:38:54] Yeah. Or he's in a bad mood. And I could tell he doesn't actually want me there, but he's too nice of a guy to say so, so [00:39:00] he'll, he'll just like storm around and not look at me and just be like doing my curls and is everything okay?
[:[00:39:17] Jacob Moore: [00:39:17] We haven't crossed paths very much. Oh yeah. You know, I, he. He calls me a ghost.
[:[00:39:27] No, he likes
[:[00:39:31] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:39:31] Accounts. Total guy did all this stuff. Yeah, he does that. We get it. You have long work. Yeah. You're insane. He's insanely strong though. He's getting, he's getting big. He's a beast. We got to start talking to him into use and some, some steroids, uh, get him on the TRT.
[:[00:40:05] Jacob Moore: [00:40:05] Yeah. 30 day extreme
[:[00:40:08] Yeah. He's an interesting guy. You should, you should try to spend some time talking with them. I have, I've
[:[00:40:21] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:40:21] pretty big. He went down and served. Yes, no shit. How'd he do
[:[00:40:27] We had to take the rip current out right along this giant landslide of car sized boulders, which is a pretty safe rip. But if you're not paying attention, you can get kind of slapped by a wave and thrown on those rocks. So you gotta be able to like, see what's coming. And I muscle through just a little bit.
[:[00:41:10] We're going to go take the rip
[:[00:41:15] Jacob Moore: [00:41:15] the waves yet just paddling out through all of that. It would have been, uh, potentially impossible. So we're going to walk to the far end of the beach and take the rib. And that's when I look over at Jeff and I'm like, so Steve and I are going to take the rip and I wouldn't advise you to, and before I could finish, he's like, I'm like, all right, you're coming.
[:[00:41:47] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:41:47] it's a standup paddleboard.
[:[00:41:50] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:41:50] Yeah. It's Jeff. I don't
[:[00:42:03] Like Jeff, you kind of take those waves in the face and they slow you down more and what's a duck. Dive, dive. Dive is when you, you get up on your hands and one foot and you stick your other foot way up in the air, basically get your body out of the water. So your board sinks, Oh, you. Singing with the nose pointing down a bit so that when the wave rolls over you, you kick the tail a little bit and bring the nose up and porpoise back to the surface.
[:[00:42:29] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:42:29] under the wave. Of course, how silly of me everyone does flat.
[:[00:42:40] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:42:40] almost passed out.
[:[00:42:52] And it's pretty heavy. You know, these are overhead
[:[00:42:56] Jacob Moore: [00:42:56] got size. And uh, before I [00:43:00] even catch a wave, you know, some sessions are an hour long and you only ride two waves before I catch one. This set that's considerably larger than anything we've seen is coming up. So I started paddling out to see about as fast as I can, because I don't want this thing to break before I'm past it.
[:[00:43:41] It's hard. It's big. And the harder you paddle, the more wind did you get. Yeah. So you want to make it out. You want your, it's like a game of chicken and kind of, you want to make it out past that way before it breaks, but the harder you battle, the less air you got. So, uh, at that point I'm [00:44:00] running, I'm running for it.
[:[00:44:26] I mean, he was a big wave and he went down about the worst way you could go, you know, aside from having some sort of impact, you got totally eaten alive. And, uh, he corked right up to the surface and had the same look on his face. And he got back on his floor, like it was nothing. Huh. And, uh, came back out, eventually got pushed in and he couldn't make it back out.
[:[00:44:53] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:44:53] Yeah. He's pretty tough. He's got a lot of muscle to, you know, hydrate and oxygenate. Yeah. I imagine his, he gets [00:45:00] winded a lot. Well much quicker than you probably. Yeah. Especially not being trained. He has surfed before actually, now that I think about it, when he went to Hawaii, he was talking about going surfing, where
[:[00:45:13] Happening out at Waimea Bay where they hold the MDI cow. Oh yeah. And I think he did a similar thing where it was this big wave just took him
[:[00:45:31] Jacob Moore: [00:45:31] But anyway, yes. I'm, I'm working on
[:[00:45:44] I think it's really healthy. Positivity. Yeah. And he's good at it. He's naturally just kind of gifted about those things and it's, it's cool to see him kind of find something that he's into and kind of start to try and [00:46:00] build something. Totally. Like the whole, he's been pretty active on social media. And with that, all of
[:[00:46:12] And I look and he's walking down the road. And I, I knew that he lived in town for awhile, but just hadn't crossed paths. Yeah. And then it was like that night and he started following me on Instagram. So I looked at his profile and he's got like two posts of just like his barbell loaded up and stuff. And I'm like, Oh, You know, I've been thinking I need to do some squats or something.
[:[00:46:38] Jacob Moore: [00:46:38] My role down there on my bike and get a little
[:[00:46:55] And so like, Jeff texted me about a month after I had [00:47:00] stopped working out there. So when I was there, I would run into this dilemma where the, nah, fuck it. I'm not going to tell a story. I don't want to talk about shit. I bought a camp toilet and put it on the roof of, uh, in there because I didn't want to wake everyone in their house up every time I had to take a shit in the morning and uh, long story short, one day when I was walking out of there with a bag of shit in my hand, there was like him and his roommates were all standing around bullshit in the parking lot.
[:[00:47:43] Jacob Moore: [00:47:43] in there. I thought it was horrible. That closed
[:[00:47:55] Um, and I was really embarrassed. I haven't been back since and poop is funny. Poop is [00:48:00] funny. And I thought it was funny at the time, but then I just forgot all about it. Yeah. I I'm an absent minded person. I always have been. Oh yeah. Yeah. I forget a lot of shit. Oh yeah. Sorry about not telling you where this place was.
[:[00:48:23] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:48:23] the, Oh, at my in-laws down the road. Oh. I was like, Oh,
[:[00:48:33] I started thinking maybe my phone was disconnected. Like how it was in its own little bubble. Like not, yeah. Can happen. Doesn't read a lot.
[:[00:48:49] She's adorable. Very smart. I really like her. She was inviting, uh, she just went through her first period. Yeah. You ever had ever had a dog go through [00:49:00] that? No, I've
[:[00:49:04] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:49:04] that's it's as much of a deal as when a human does it. Yeah. Um, it, you know, but they run around and like soda humans, Jake, true.
[:[00:49:30] We started talking about dogs,
[:[00:49:50] And then I look through your house out the another window and I see this nice shed in the back. And I'm like, well,
[:[00:50:00] Jacob Moore: [00:50:00] I see a bench in there. This must be Jeff's. So I come inside and say, you who? And then I hear your tiny
[:[00:50:10] Cause you look through the living room windows and it's an empty room. The floor is torn out. There's no furniture in the room. There's no TV.
[:[00:50:27] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:50:27] around the back.
[:[00:50:47] Yeah. But with you, uh, we're both and uh, we, we bumped into each other on the beach, like, uh, and then we made it unofficially. I didn't even, I didn't even have my phone with me. Have you listened to any episodes? I [00:51:00] have not. I didn't hear Matt's episode. No. Oh man. That's a good one. We talked about you a bunch.
[:[00:51:10] Jacob Moore: [00:51:10] Yeah. I approached it a couple of times and I thought, you know, I'm going to go in there and talk with Jeff here pretty soon. And something about the in totally fresh, fresh was attractive.
[:[00:51:25] Jacob Moore: [00:51:25] well, do you eat?
[:[00:51:38] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:51:38] days. Exactly. We literally have like, um, yeah, it's not a problem. The, I try to make every episode is different and unique to the guest as possible it's which is really fun, but it also makes it really hard because some of the episodes are like heavier than others.
[:[00:52:18] It's fun. We're like digging in to be in humans. And it's a collaborative process that I get to do with people who I've already gotten to know and care about. And also people that I'm just meeting and it's enriched my life on multiple levels. I
[:[00:52:38] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:52:38] Yeah, me too, because everyone's
[:[00:52:48] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:52:48] you're all going to be. Yeah. It's true and it's okay to be different. It's even okay. To, to have to be. Yeah, but it doesn't have to be a [00:53:00] conflict. It can just be what it is.
[:[00:53:13] Yeah. But if you live in a, a situation where you don't get to experience that culture, that variety, then when you do come in contact with someone who's different, it can
[:[00:53:31] Jacob Moore: [00:53:31] Right. Just discomfort, anxiety.
[:[00:53:35] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:53:35] what do I do? It happens a lot.
[:[00:53:50] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:53:50] less negative. Yeah. How are things we don't have to leave this in, but how are things with you and Madeline and that relationship going?
[:[00:53:58] Jacob Moore: [00:53:58] Yeah. It is tough. [00:54:00] You know, we're both going through a lot of changes and
[:[00:54:08] Jacob Moore: [00:54:08] that. It was gonna get tough. You know what I mean? And at first it seemed like it would be, uh, Just a walk in the park and then it became a lot of work.
[:[00:54:30] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:54:30] friendly, but yeah, for sure. I've been there. Um,
[:[00:54:39] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:54:39] isn't that weird how that happens
[:[00:54:54] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:54:54] rough. What was her reasoning? Um,
[:[00:55:00] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:55:00] that or what did she just mean? Marriage is rough. Oh, divorce. Oh, divorce. Yeah. Yeah.
[:[00:55:11] Jacob Moore: [00:55:11] Um, but like I said, it becomes a lot of work. You know, our, our divorce was pretty simple, relatively speaking, but there's
[:[00:55:32] I was like, Whoa, not only, I mean, I knew she could talk because she's older than Amelia and Millie. You can talk. But the fact that she knew my name and I, I, did you say my name to her as I was walking up? I think so. Okay. I think so. Cause I didn't hear that at all. And I was just like, this girl is definitely on Instagram.
[:[00:55:53] Jacob Moore: [00:55:53] yeah. I don't know if you've
[:[00:56:09] Jacob Moore: [00:56:09] cute. Yeah. And they just keep getting better and better.
[:[00:56:22] Jacob Moore: [00:56:22] Wow. Yeah. And then there was another one on a short sands beach last night. So I saw two freshly dead, full grown sea lions in the same day bullet holes in him. The one on Jeanette Weegee did.
[:[00:56:34] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:56:34] Yeah. I used to find
[:[00:56:41] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:56:41] That's a federal offense, right? I think so. I believe it is even though the regulation with that is very messy, but I don't know enough about it to really talk much on it, but I know it's, it's mismanaged pretty, pretty badly, like, cause it's federally like with the Marine mammal protection act federally [00:57:00] illegal to kill Marine mammals and then, but like they're overrun in, in these areas like Astoria at East Moring basin.
[:[00:57:16] Jacob Moore: [00:57:16] Yeah. It seems like some species are, you know, readily populations are readily cold and others not.
[:[00:57:27] Jacob Moore: [00:57:27] I think they're all cool.
[:[00:57:55] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:57:55] so many variables to manage to that.
[:[00:58:03] Jacob Moore: [00:58:03] Biologically speaking. So, uh, I think it's gotta be a balance of both, you know, I like the idea of leaving areas to do what they're going to do naturally. And obviously there are large areas, but,
[:[00:58:25] It's balanced. Yeah. It's balanced. And I've noticed it a lot of place, a lot of places where it's just areas that are big protective wilderness, where there's not a lot of industry coming in and out there, they're not getting the same exposure to pests and things that more
[:[00:58:52] You've got to have some faith that there will be checks and balances in there sometimes.
[:[00:59:10] Jacob Moore: [00:59:10] Yeah. It, uh, really broke it down to the, the fundamental fact that, uh, found guys
[:[00:59:20] Yeah. And under our feet all the
[:[00:59:22] Jacob Moore: [00:59:22] and in our noses right now. Yeah. And everywhere in guts and in that jar of
[:[00:59:44] Uh, if you just, if you're going on vacation to another country, uh, the first couple of times you eat the food, you feel like shit. And then after that, you start to feel great. And you're like, Oh shoot. I just didn't have the right stomach bugs to eat this food. Like you had to have a crew in your [01:00:00] stomach to eat the food that you eat so they can break it down into component parts and put them where they need to go.
[:[01:00:17] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:00:17] That's what I'm going to do. The next time I get off a plane somewhere, I'm going to go straight to like the street food place and take a little tiny bite of all the fermented shit.
[:[01:00:31] Jacob Moore: [01:00:31] mean, yeah, it can be hard to find truly fresh food sterile. I mean, when you pick a piece of fruit off of a tree thousand miles in the middle of the jungle, it's covered in microbes,
[:[01:00:45] Jacob Moore: [01:00:45] it sterile line to get into it, you know, like scratch the skin on this fruit so we can start to flourish.
[:[01:00:53] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:00:53] on our skin. That's why I got to get those tetanus shots. When you get poked by a nail. That tripped me out [01:01:00] when I first learned that poked by anything. Yeah. The reason you got to get a tetanus shot is not because there was tetanus on the nail that poked you because it was probably on your skin and the nail pushed it in.
[:[01:01:10] Jacob Moore: [01:01:10] Like isn't our skin. Amazing. It is incredible. And the membranes and stuff. I mean, we had gnarly stuff on
[:[01:01:20] Jacob Moore: [01:01:20] in, not so much.
[:[01:01:38] I was really gross. Cause I was going to the gym a lot then. And one of my friends actually got it on his calf. Shout out Joe shadow, Joe. Huh? Oh man. The, my uncle got it too. Oh, I forgot about that. My uncle's thumb basically from his pointer finger to his wrist was. [01:02:00] Blackish purple and swollen up. So big.
[:[01:02:24] What the fuck is on your hand? And apparently he had been at the hospital cause he like crashed on his bike or something and his skin a little bit probably. And he got that at the hospital. And so he left way sicker than he went in man. And um, I had given him a ride there a second time to get the same hospital, to get treated for this infection on his hand, which later turned out to be Murcia.
[:[01:03:08] We should definitely go somewhere else.
[:[01:03:20] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:03:20] Oh, do you wear those at the Chinook beach? Yeah. Do you see needles they're often, right? I've never seen a needle on the beach.
[:[01:03:47] So I've never seen one. Yeah. It's, you know, the, those like big ribbons of Duff that are just like straw and small sticks and dirt, all that stuff that comes, they laid down and almost, they almost looked like a [01:04:00] boom line there in that totally. Doesn't they float with all that other stuff. So every once in a while, just look for those little orange caps and you'll just see one jutting out.
[:[01:04:24] Right, right.
[:[01:04:26] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:04:26] time. Yep. Don't let her run through that stuff. Yeah. Uh, it's it's scary. People are fucking disgusting working in natural resources. You start to realize how much of an impact the world's pieces of shit have because they just don't piles the garbage, wherever they can.
[:[01:04:44] Jacob Moore: [01:04:44] Send it into space. You could.
[:[01:05:10] I don't want to start conflicts in my life, but I have pictures of prescription bottles and bills from people who dumped their trash in the woods, like fucking animals. Yeah. And I, it, their name's all over it. Yeah. I know who the people are. I know where they live. I know I have all their information because they're idiots and they just leave it in their fucking garbage.
[:[01:05:50] We're going to eventually fill it up with fucking garbage. Yeah. The Columbia river is big. Yeah. And you hold a lot of needles and we're at the end of it.
[:[01:06:02] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:06:02] makes its way down here. I have found remarkable shit out there in the Bay, the Baker's Bay. So Baker's Bay is a little, just a small Bay.
[:[01:06:24] Jacob Moore: [01:06:24] laying bricks and
[:[01:06:31] And it's just all just piles up there year after year. And no one ever really does anything with it. Yeah. We pulled a little
[:[01:06:41] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:06:41] I was on that. Oh yeah. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. It was cool.
[:[01:06:47] Oh, that's right. Yeah. But yeah, when we got to the, like the South shore of the Island and you started pushing back into the trees, you start to realize so much
[:[01:07:01] Jacob Moore: [01:07:01] of the water up the beach into the woods by the winter storms and stuff.
[:[01:07:06] Jacob Moore: [01:07:06] hitting back there. I hate styrofoam. I don't like it either. Like styrofoam coolers. I don't like stuff shipped. Yeah. In styro coolers. I mean, you have to sometimes like send a heart or whatever. Yeah. A lot of oil, a lot of shellfish get shipped in styrofoam and that's true. And
[:[01:07:26] Takes the nineties you to dispose of.
[:[01:07:33] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:07:33] Just a
[:[01:07:37] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:07:37] it's one of those like, like a permanent marker. How I'm really
[:[01:07:47] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:07:47] It's just, offgassing on early stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Did you know that? I mean, I'm sure you did, but furniture, not everybody knows this furniture, carpet, anything that is made of polymers, like plastic and our synthetic [01:08:00] polymers and that kind of stuff off gases for like two years. Yeah. So like you get a new couch and that's probably like the half-life or something.
[:[01:08:13] Jacob Moore: [01:08:13] smell, right? Yeah.
[:[01:08:18] Jacob Moore: [01:08:18] good. Yeah. I like it. New tires. Oh yeah. I
[:[01:08:29] Yeah. I like a lot of chemical. He smells. Uh, I even
[:[01:08:36] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:08:36] Yeah. I like the smell of haircare products. My dad was always such a, so sensitive to that stuff. Like if my mom were perfume, Oh yeah, mine too. No flowers in
[:[01:08:49] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:08:49] you know?
[:[01:08:55] Jacob Moore: [01:08:55] I don't want to risk it. Yeah. Clouding up my vision. I got to step outside and get [01:09:00] the setting.
[:[01:09:04] Jacob Moore: [01:09:04] Oh yeah. I've seen my dad go from feeling great to looking like a mess two
[:[01:09:12] His face is
[:[01:09:17] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:09:17] of a sudden before a guy. That's how my dad looked on our way to church every week. Cause my mom's hair spray. And like, she was all this, the chemicals, his stuff. And he, it was like a major conflict in their marriage for sure.
[:[01:09:52] Yeah. I've been
[:[01:09:55] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:09:55] candle. Oh, thank you. I
[:[01:10:10] And I'm like, yeah.
[:[01:10:27] I shit. You not. Yeah, I really do this. Um, if it's like a Cedar or, Oh fuck. What's the right time of year. Oh man. Right time of year honeysuckles, they will just brighten my mood. I love the smell of honeysuckles. I'll grab a whole handful if I'm running. Uh, and they grown alongside the road and I'll just get a fist, the honeysuckles just for the energy, my neck.
[:[01:10:59] Jacob Moore: [01:10:59] smells shoot. [01:11:00] The
[:[01:11:07] Jacob Moore: [01:11:07] so too crisp pants. That's when
[:[01:11:12] I love raw oysters
[:[01:11:20] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:11:20] Like the flavor just has that clean finish. Yeah. It's almost fruity. Yeah. Yeah. We used to eat a fair amount of oysters when we were working out in the Bay. I remember that. Um, the, were you there at the time when Eddy ate those ones that just picked up straight out of the mud, they weren't connected to anything and he got real sick.
[:[01:11:41] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:11:41] I only eat the ones if I break them off something I don't. Yeah. Or, I mean, unless they're like professionally grown, like the ones in the flip bags. Um, my favorite are those little Chicago coups, the little rat they're almost polished looking at because they tumble tumbled.
[:[01:12:01] Jacob Moore: [01:12:01] Yeah. My job was basically to coordinate the annual shrimp spraying program. The Berlin Tremper, like the major pest to oyster culture. Explain a little bit about that. Yeah. They live in the city substrate.
[:[01:12:23] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:12:23] the surface and there'll just be thousands of them
[:[01:12:42] So the oysters start to sink a little bit as well. So eventually they get married and they suffocate and die.
[:[01:12:58] They can't filter it. [01:13:00] They can't escape.
[:[01:13:12] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:13:12] Yeah. I believe it is as known as seven, right? Yeah. The trade name. I
[:[01:13:18] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:13:18] though.
[:[01:13:38] Jacob Moore: [01:13:38] one.
[:[01:14:00] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:14:00] collapsing
[:[01:14:02] So we'll give you 10 years, then an 11th and then a 12th. And they were investigating a medical opiod, which is the most widely used insecticide in the U S anyway, um, banned in the EU.
[:[01:14:21] Jacob Moore: [01:14:21] Um, but it didn't really work. It wouldn't actually kill the burrowing shrimp, even if you dose them with a thousand times the dose, they never get in the environment, but it would, uh, put them into a state of tetany tetany tetany is where you end up when you get tetanus, that's all your muscles kind of spasming.
[:[01:14:44] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:14:44] Oh, so it's having some kind of excitable toxic effect, but not killing them,
[:[01:15:00] [01:15:00] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:15:00] Cause it sounds weightless. You mean?
[:[01:15:15] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:15:15] Oh my God. And I didn't realize that. Yeah.
[:[01:15:22] Made sure. The oyster growers and our subcontractors did everything in compliance with the plan that I put together that was, that DOE checked off on. So I make a plan DOE says, yep. This means all the requirements.
[:[01:15:48] I didn't know that.
[:[01:16:11] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:16:11] calls that kind of stuff sucks,
[:[01:16:18] Now there are a whole bunch of other little things going on. And, um,
[:[01:16:29] Jacob Moore: [01:16:29] a hotter topic later on. I worked for the growers association for
[:[01:16:39] Jacob Moore: [01:16:39] and that's a bigger issue for, uh, Manila clam farmers.
[:[01:17:03] They don't get as much water circulation, so they don't get as much food. So they grow warms the water too.
[:[01:17:22] And when they wrote the protective legislation, it was written to just to protect eel grass. So it didn't specify. And I'm pretty sure it's been, it's been changed since then and corrected to specify. So a japonica is invasives, Osterman Rhina is protected and necessary for fish and all that. So yeah, it's a messy
[:[01:17:42] Yeah. Another situation where there's a variety of stakeholders and there's potential money to be made
[:[01:18:05] And the fact that what you think of as a natural state of an ecosystem or habitat is not necessarily what. So-and-so thinks of it as, or, and like a hundred years ago that may have looked completely different. And the goals that we have as a society and as a species have to align with what is available in nature, we might not be able to retrace our steps and get like, for example, if we want it to fix all of the salmon runs by pulling out all the dams that we've put in, there's a very good chance that would not work because the conditions have changed since then.
[:[01:19:01] And there's so many things. Yeah. And non
[:[01:19:05] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:19:05] Yeah. Uh, just the world has changed since those dams went in. So removing
[:[01:19:13] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:19:13] Exactly. And so to understand where we set those baselines matters so much. In terms of moving forward and having goals as, as you know, funding managers and as project managers, for things like the Burling trim program you're talking about, or, you know, invasive species or agriculture, any of these massive systems that kind of tap into nature, you got to know where we're trying to go.
[:[01:19:48] Jacob Moore: [01:19:48] it. It's practical to take 20 acres and hit it with a mozza mocks and, and kill the eel grass and grow an awesome crop of clams, you know?
[:[01:20:15] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:20:15] Yeah. And who knows, and there's no getting rid of it. Yeah, exactly.
[:[01:20:41] I like it a lot now, too. It's pretty good. Yeah. But I remember there was kids, certain kids who just like, I mean, there was the star Wars kids and there was the Jurassic park kids that was a tight. And I can just pegged you for a Jurassic park guy where you were into dinosaurs. Yeah.
[:[01:21:00] I got into building stuff. It's a pretty early age. Really?
[:[01:21:06] Jacob Moore: [01:21:06] build stuff. My dad's dad is, was quite the builder. He still is, but he here's a great example of what kind of builder he is, uh, at the Smithsonian Institute. There's an exact replica of the Wright flyer and then two other aircraft that I can't name, but super early.
[:[01:21:36] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:21:36] Wow. Yeah. Where. Like in Wenatchee. Okay. Did they have like a shop that they all shared or are they just like, was this a professional thing or did they just did it for fun? Like hobbyists. It was professional.
[:[01:22:07] And then, um, his mother made a big career out of
[:[01:22:17] Jacob Moore: [01:22:17] title, but she, uh, she ended up retiring way up in management from, uh, Pangborn international airport, airport and Wenatchee.
[:[01:22:34] You went to UDaB right? University of Washington.
[:[01:22:59] Oh yeah, that's [01:23:00] right. And that was a really new program. It was only like the third or fourth year at UDaB. Um, my class was 62 people. Wow.
[:[01:23:10] Jacob Moore: [01:23:10] It's I can only imagine what the classes are like.
[:[01:23:15] Yeah.
[:[01:23:25] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:23:25] based decisions.
[:[01:23:46] Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Oh, we can graph that. We can know what it was a year ago. Like stuff that you can, you can build predictions on. You can make models, you can build models and there's the, it's just, I dunno, I'm comparing it to like psychology where you have [01:24:00] measurable things too, but. It depends on, it depends on what kind of psychology you're into.
[:[01:24:31] It, without our own knowledge, we lied to ourselves. Um, yes. And that's just like, I got, I want no part of that shit. I don't want to work in this field. Yeah. So now I don't and now I get to work in nature and things are, things are easier. Yeah. And
[:[01:24:52] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:24:52] That's a beautiful life, man. I think if the world was just full of people who made what they wanted to make, we would have a lot of cool shit. [01:25:00] I find myself
[:[01:25:19] Well, Refrigerator shelf
[:[01:25:29] Jacob Moore: [01:25:29] Totally. If it was cool, cause it's still alive and the microbes are metabolizing what's in there. So eventually sauerkraut will get too old.
[:[01:25:40] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:25:40] I still have it. Yeah. I'm still eating a lot of mushy sauerkraut. I just ate some the other day. It was like six months old. Um, it was, and it was from Costco. It wasn't like the fancy stuff, but it tasted fine. It was, I I, for a nice crunch, but I
[:[01:25:57] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:25:57] I've heard about it, read about it, but never even [01:26:00] tasted it. Yeah. Never tasted
[:[01:26:07] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:26:07] Okay. And I don't even know how to use it. What do I do with me? So well, I really
[:[01:26:15] Cause it's like really salty and has a lot of flavor and they vary it's fermented beans. Um, typically soybeans, but it's not a requirement that they're so these,
[:[01:26:30] Jacob Moore: [01:26:30] yeah, you can mix it with hot water and make miso soup. That is, you know, toss a little scallions on top and you're at the sushi joint.
[:[01:27:08] Take this me. So, uh, uh, it has a format for it. Doesn't have to ferment for a year, but that's kind of the benchmark, like at least a year a
[:[01:27:24] Jacob Moore: [01:27:24] it. What's your range, but it's, you know, room tempish
[:[01:27:31] It does. You used to scare me. I was convinced that if you left food out for more than four hours, you couldn't eat it anymore. Yeah. You're going to die. I would eat. I'll eat a lot more now than I would eat then my wife, sorry, babe. I'm going to, I'm going to throw you under the bus here. She doesn't refrigerate Jack shit.
[:[01:27:57] Jacob Moore: [01:27:57] nature kind of [01:28:00] stabilizing the situation. Exactly gnarly stuff comes from. The very unnatural environments where
[:[01:28:11] It's elk, it's ground elk that we got straight from the woods. And so, and if it's not rancid,
[:[01:28:25] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:28:25] says your, your nose is like a great judge. That's what I always tell my kids. Like, so we're redoing our kitchen.
[:[01:28:39] Jacob Moore: [01:28:39] crap. We got to eat some dinner. Hold on, honey. Scrape this together.
[:[01:28:53] Give it a
[:[01:28:56] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:28:56] And trust your nose. If it smells like that, sickly. [01:29:00] Sweet. Don't drink it. I mean, unless you want to fuck. I don't care. It's your life. Yeah.
[:[01:29:07] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:29:07] off milk. Yeah. Have you ever just started chugging milk before you realized it was bad?
[:[01:29:12] Jacob Moore: [01:29:12] absolutely. Or I throw a bunch of half and half or straight up whipping cream in my coffee. It
[:[01:29:20] Jacob Moore: [01:29:20] I'm halfway to work down the road when I take the first sip. And it's just like what?
[:[01:29:25] Jacob Moore: [01:29:25] on it. Yeah. What's going on here. Take another sip. Yeah, definitely not drinking any more of this.
[:[01:29:42] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:29:42] I'm going to drink it. And if it, if that kid does want to drink it, he's probably got the right microbes for it. I'm not who might've judged.
[:[01:29:50] Jacob Moore: [01:29:50] sour cream.
[:[01:29:52] Jacob Moore: [01:29:52] It's like every food has its fermented form. You know, it's
[:[01:29:56] Jacob Moore: [01:29:56] is how many sticks? Like slim. Jim's probably not a whole lot of natural [01:30:00] fermentation going on there, but that's where it came from. It was fermented meat.
[:[01:30:06] Like those, those, uh, Italian dry salamis, like mold grows on exactly. It's, it's warm enough for mold to grow on it. Like, did you know we have mold in our lungs. You probably have more than the average person from all that surfing could be. Um, I had a guest on here who was a commercial diver and he had testicular cancer.
[:[01:30:47] Wow. But I found out that the average human has mold in our lungs. I had no idea
[:[01:30:55] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:30:55] but mold, colonies, colonies growing in your, in your lungs, which makes [01:31:00] sense. Yeah. We're surrounded by it. There's
[:[01:31:04] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:31:04] environment, every environment that's 98 degrees and wet, wet
[:[01:31:12] If I do
[:[01:31:27] Jacob Moore: [01:31:27] sick, you
[:[01:31:35] One of them was like, come on, come loose, cramping your ass. And you have to like bend a weird way, but ah, you break it loose and you're like, Oh shit, that was in me.
[:[01:31:46] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:31:46] to see. Probably probably, but I don't have any photographs of Cooper's lungs, but I wish I did.
[:[01:32:00] Jacob Moore: [01:32:00] I can't picture the fellow
[:[01:32:11] It was a cool podcast. I had fun, but yeah, it was one of those ones look forward to listening to it. Yeah, man. You'll have to check them out.
[:[01:32:27] You know what I mean? That is getting better. We got to start focus. I'm going to pause this totally. Cause I got to make some noise. Talk to some people I don't want to miss this.
[:[01:32:39] Certainly we'd talk about some shit that you don't want this to anybody to just be like, Oh, what's Jake listening to, and I don't even
[:[01:32:50] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:32:50] at work or whatever, I could just picture this at like a restaurant or something. It's like, did he with, what was that?
[:[01:33:14] It's not, the FCC is not in charge of what everyone hears anymore. It's like nobody's watching TV. Is it the FCC? Who?
[:[01:33:24] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:33:24] me, that's what I thought. I bet. M and M doesn't even care about the sec anymore. Yeah. Podcasting has kind of changed the way that entertainment works and memes.
[:[01:33:39] Jacob Moore: [01:33:39] third dimension is
[:[01:34:10] So it was essentially what it is still now. But at the time nobody had spent millions of dollars investing in it. So it was, they were like virtually worthless, but it's just this media dream. Yeah. Just as a toy, as a medium of exchange of, for digital value. And, but there was none of that value had been staked yet.
[:[01:34:59] And it has [01:35:00] since kind of blossomed into its own thing and people started buying it and then people like Elon Musk started pumping it. And, uh, who's the other guy. He owns the Dallas Mavericks. He's a shark on shark tank. Uh, he's really cool. And he's. Ah, fuck. How do I not know his name? Mark Cuban. Uh, two really, really rich and famous, powerful people who both are like take it to the moon doge coin.
[:[01:36:07] Indefinitely. Wow. Much like another currency that we like so much the U S dollar, but, um, unlike something like Bitcoin, which is capped at 21 million, they're never gonna make any more than that. So once those 21 million are mined, it's all just trades and the interest value continue to rise.
[:[01:36:31] It takes
[:[01:37:00] [01:37:00] Let's, it's almost as if they took super Mario and Nintendo says, all right, now, anybody can just buy these coins. The coins that you get in Mario, where, you know, you get a hundred coins or you get a free life, a mushroom pops out. Um, now you and me can just buy these coins and we can trade them and you can come over and, you know, Fix my toilet.
[:[01:37:26] Jacob Moore: [01:37:26] and a little piece of paper. Isn't much
[:[01:37:41] And they have all this massive control over our economic structure. It's not democratic. It's really, it's really an oligarchy. Is that the right word? Um,
[:[01:37:55] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:37:55] family. Well then it might be that if the Illuminati is real, I don't know [01:38:00] the Roth Childs and all that, whatever it is, it's on me
[:[01:38:07] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:38:07] I don't think so. I would take that as a huge compliment or Eastern oligarchy. Okay. Well there, that almost seems like a fit that's old money. Yeah. Those are old families in the oyster industry. They've been at it for a long time. Yeah. And
[:[01:38:26] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:38:26] trip.
[:[01:38:29] Jacob Moore: [01:38:29] That's right. And they hire one person. It was
[:[01:38:35] Jacob Moore: [01:38:35] Oh, I
[:[01:38:54] Some of these changes are permanent burrowing,
[:[01:39:14] And then they kind of go down, it goes all over the place. No one understands the trends, but they are native and some oyster beds tend to get more
[:[01:39:31] Jacob Moore: [01:39:31] structure and they tend to live in the silty or substrates.
[:[01:39:43] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:39:43] That's kind of cool. The fact that you can see through the ghost shrimp, it's like, okay, these things don't get a lot of sun. No,
[:[01:39:52] Yeah.
[:[01:40:09] Jacob Moore: [01:40:09] take the camera down in the Bureau.
[:[01:40:12] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:40:12] built these viewing. Contraptions basically took a barrel like a 60 gallon barrel. Cut it in half lengthwise, put a plexiglass barrier, um, to wear and then buried it in the mud and let the shrimp build Burroughs right up next to the glass. Oh, for sure. In the barrel ant farm, just like an ant farm.
[:[01:40:53] Jacob Moore: [01:40:53] like 1% of the data and you're like, alright, I'm done.
[:[01:40:58] Jacob Moore: [01:40:58] started [01:41:00] wanting to do this for another
[:[01:41:12] Jacob Moore: [01:41:12] though. Yeah. Somebody that a collection is just,
[:[01:41:20] Cause we had to analyze the sediment. I had to take these sifting devices, which was like a Pringles can with different layers of screens in it. And I'd put the sample at the top screen and then sit there and shake that bitch for hours until it all made it through to the very bottom. And the bottom one was like, you couldn't even see through it.
[:[01:41:48] Jacob Moore: [01:41:48] machine to jiggle that thing for a couple of hours.
[:[01:42:00] [01:42:00] And I did it for hours and hours and hours. Uh, yeah, some jobs though. You just do what you gotta do. What what's the most tedious job you've ever had
[:[01:42:18] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:42:18] And that was back when they still could find it. I feel bad for him now.
[:[01:42:31] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:42:31] kind of not do it. Your manager, that guy, Jacob , he's got management written all over him. It's true though. Actually like you, I
[:[01:42:43] Yeah. You're an
[:[01:43:07] Um, that was a group I didn't really penetrate until I started working in the Bay and, and really getting to know the area. There's so many smart people around here. They just keep quiet. You don't, you don't, they're not what people talk about when they think about like the coast, but yeah, there's a lot more unique people out here than I would've thought.
[:[01:43:43] Nice. And I've been kind of working it out. Yeah. Okay. So I'm close, I'm close to knowing how to say it properly. Some words you just, if you drop them in more than once, you're an asshole for some reason, or at least a pretentious or maybe
[:[01:43:59] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:43:59] Yeah. [01:44:00] You read any good books lately? No, you do.
[:[01:44:04] Uh, I've gone in and out of reading some, I don't read
[:[01:44:18] Jacob Moore: [01:44:18] time works out part of a different part of my brain. Like I feel, first of all, reading, it's easier and more accurate.
[:[01:44:44] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:44:44] Yeah. Well, what kind of stuff do you write about? I write
[:[01:45:00] [01:44:59] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:44:59] failures.
[:[01:45:03] Jacob Moore: [01:45:03] And, uh, but it's pretty succinct, you know, sometimes it's just like 12 bullet points that, uh, exist in previous days. Of course, you know, some carry over. I read a lot about emotions. Um, about a year ago I started studying meditation and practicing meditation.
[:[01:45:24] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:45:24] on, let's get into that.
[:[01:45:35] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:45:35] mindfulness, it changes the whole game. Do create that separation where you're almost like outside your body. Yeah. And
[:[01:45:52] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:45:52] to consider.
[:[01:45:58] Jacob Moore: [01:45:58] Exactly. So [01:46:00] writing down those emotions just held with the mindfulness process, you know, how'd you fall into this? Um, my brother turned me on to it during the pandemic. He was like, so I got this app called Headspace and it taught me what meditation is.
[:[01:46:38] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:46:38] Do you still do Headspace? Very rarely.
[:[01:46:43] You know, there's a lot to learn. There's a lot more to gain from it, but I I've kind of phased
[:[01:47:03] So I'd been doing it for a long time and kind of struggling to find a groove. And I, like, I had, I had touched on it, like, I'd, I'd hit that point a few times where you're like, Oh, this is it. This is that place that I've been trying to get to because I'd read a lot of stuff about it. And a lot of the older, more kind of almost religious stuff, spirit, more spiritual based stuff that has to do with shock Rose and energies and all that stuff.
[:[01:47:46] Totally. I really believe that energy. And we touched on it with waves. It's, it's a, it's a. It's a communication system. And it's also like, uh, how the university is assembled just through energy. [01:48:00] We're all made of energy. We're all exchanging energy all the time and there's no escaping it. No. So I see.
[:[01:48:25] My experience, especially as grown up Christian and being worried all the time that I was going to go to hell for meditating on some like, Oh, what if I accidentally worship an idol, a paragraph of that shit. But as I'm staring at this little Buddha statue in front of me, but yeah, the Headspace down
[:[01:48:51] Yeah. You train your muscles, you train your body, you can train your mind to exact, or you can let your mind just be a while then. Yeah.
[:[01:49:04] Jacob Moore: [01:49:04] I loved the way that it led you in.
[:[01:49:21] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:49:21] that is really nice and it kind of eliminates some of that fear of being a weirdo because you're like this isn't really weird,
[:[01:49:28] Like that's a common issue for people is that they, they are worried about meditating the wrong way and actually worrying about doing something. Then you're not meditating, you know, like you, it's about, um, just kind of stepping back and strictly observing for your period
[:[01:49:51] Yup.
[:[01:50:04] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:50:04] cycle back, just take a step back. And
[:[01:50:16] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:50:16] body changing, your flesh is reacting.
[:[01:50:46] And I find when all those things well up, I don't make decisions during
[:[01:50:56] Jacob Moore: [01:50:56] Wait, because my body's kind of screwed up right now. [01:51:00] Yeah. Like it's, it's, it's dealing with a whole bunch of stuff. There's stuff washing
[:[01:51:03] Yeah. I'm dealing with a thousand years of, of training.
[:[01:51:24] I'll stop and say, yes, it makes perfect sense right now, but let's just give it a day so that we're not in this state and just double-check then. And if it's right. Yeah. If it's right, it's right. It's still be right. But a lot of times they'll be like, you know, I'm really glad I waited because I'm going to do it just a little different.
[:[01:51:59] Instead of [01:52:00] just when you're in it so much, when you're just, especially if it's anger or where you've been wronged, or somebody did something and you're trying to just control because it
[:[01:52:18] You
[:[01:52:21] Jacob Moore: [01:52:21] be anger and
[:[01:52:31] Jacob Moore: [01:52:31] an emotional state, yeah. Then you're not thinking
[:[01:52:39] How many people who are just our age have one or two divorces under their belt a lot. It's starting to seem like a lot. Yeah. And it's because you're on a drug when you're like falling in love with somebody new for the first time. It's like, yeah, that's a potent one. That's an important emotion. Yeah. And meditation would even help in that situation because if, I don't [01:53:00] know, some people don't want, cause it almost D romanticizes things.
[:[01:53:20] That's step into it to put a toe in. It's like you're diving in and it's dangerous as fuck there's sharks in there. Yeah. We all got to do that and figure it out for ourselves. Are you going to try to get back out there dating?
[:[01:53:43] Like, you got to put yourself out there, like make something happen, you know, cause something going on, something, anything whatsoever, like a walk on the beach and it's in those moments that I stop. And I'm mindful of this pressure I'm feeling, where does this pressure come from? Someone
[:[01:54:04] Totally. And that's
[:[01:54:12] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:54:12] priority at all. Yeah. Whatsoever. Especially a man, you got one very special lady in your life who takes a lot of your time and attention and she's more important than you.
[:[01:54:27] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:54:27] Yeah.
[:[01:54:35] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:54:35] You're going to have to pick somebody who's who's in love with her too. It has to be there. Otherwise it's not going to go well, no way. I mean, a lot of people have made that mistake.
[:[01:55:09] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:55:09] last seven months.
[:[01:55:27] Makes
[:[01:55:35] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:55:35] in my mind. Yeah. Um, this is really strange, but I'm going to say it anyway. Cause it's it's it just popped into my head. But um, so like maybe 2017, Melissa had a dream, she'll probably be pissed at me for telling you this, but she had a dream that you had fallen into a horrible alcoholism and that sh and it was destroying your life.
[:[01:56:19] Jacob Moore: [01:56:19] Yeah, I'd
[:[01:56:23] Yeah.
[:[01:56:30] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:56:30] not know that.
[:[01:56:36] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:56:36] you drink now? Um,
[:[01:56:45] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:56:45] outgrown it, at least
[:[01:56:57] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:56:57] It makes you feel like shit.
[:[01:57:03] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:57:03] when I'm drinking because you feel like shit. I agree. Yep. I struggled with that. Some somewhat in Matt's episode because like you guys legitimately make an awesome product. I'm super impressed. I mean, not a person who loves alcohol and I, that cranberry enjoy drinking that stuff straight.
[:[01:57:44] So just. Accepted universally, absolutely. Compared to other drugs that are just universally just hated. Right. I do not agree with that. And I think each one of them has its own use cases that are good and its own use [01:58:00] cases that are damaging. Yeah. Our, our culture
[:[01:58:04] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:58:04] there all the time. Yeah.
[:[01:58:23] It's it's tricky, but yeah, I commend you for being able to not be a drinker and being surrounded by some of the best alcohol I've ever had.
[:[01:58:39] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:58:39] Yeah. That's cool, man. I don't have a sauerkraut
[:[01:58:44] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:58:44] How much saccharide do you eat?
[:[01:58:55] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:58:55] it's every day. Yeah. You notice that you feel better when you're eating a lot of fermented foods. I [01:59:00] feel, I think
[:[01:59:05] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:59:05] Walgreens and help digest it.
[:[01:59:14] Jacob Moore: [01:59:14] nutrients. Yeah. And some sodium sodium, it tastes so good.
[:[01:59:25] Jacob Moore: [01:59:25] Like there's no one around I'm drinking all
[:[01:59:27] So quenching.
[:[01:59:33] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:59:33] yeah, dude, I think we actually got to wrap it up. We've been here for two and a half hours right on time flies. Um, so yeah, we'll just, we'll just try to call it good. But, um, do you have any closing thoughts you want to hit before we wrap up?
[:[01:59:47] Jacob Moore: [01:59:47] I'm glad we got kind of all
[:[02:00:02] Jacob Moore: [02:00:02] cheated as well, really been looking forward to it and it came
[:[02:00:06] It really did. They always do. Uh, before we go, why don't you, uh, give people your information for social media or for your business and all that. Anything you want to get your attention on? I'm um,
[:[02:00:21] Jeff Nesbitt: [02:00:21] underscore. Didn't talk about Jacob's hammer at all. There we go. We got to definitely do that.
[:[02:00:30] Jacob Moore: [02:00:30] and stuff in, and we can really
[:[02:00:42] Thank you so much for coming and. Talk to you next time. All right, bye. Everybody now say free. [02:02:00] [02:01:00] .
