015- Adrift on a Sea of Conversation with Tiffany Turner

015- Tiffany Turner audio

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[00:01:27] Tiffany Turner: [00:01:27] Tiffany Turner? Legally it's Tiffany Turner. Okay. And thanks so much for having me. Yeah,

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[00:01:34] I'm a little bit nervous.

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[00:01:45] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:01:45] same thing. Yeah. I have a habit of that, but um, I think that's kind of a, not necessarily a bad thing.

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[00:02:08]I had a buddy in here the other day. Who's very gregarious, uh, easy to talk to. And he was nervous and it was like kind of a surprise, but, uh, and it went fine, everything it's um, it's just hard to know how people will react. I think it's the extra pressure of knowing that it's going to go.

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[00:02:31] Tiffany Turner: [00:02:31] and it's going to be there forever. Yeah. I also, I I'm oddly nervous when I public speak. Sometimes my voice shakes when I do interviews or things like that. So I was like, I hope my boy, you know, I don't think it will. You're pretty comfortable to talk to, which is nice.

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[00:02:45] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:02:45] Yeah. That's, I've been getting that feedback a lot. People, people don't mind too much talking to me. It's doesn't seem too scary.

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[00:02:55] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:02:55] out. Yeah. Yeah. Try try to make it a kind of a comfortable environment to have [00:03:00] a conversation. Which is really all this show is, is just like, I'd like to get to know you, let, let the audience get to know you as well, because we've actually, I don't even know if we've ever just sat down and talked.

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[00:03:25] Tiffany Turner: [00:03:25] relationship? Sure. Yeah, absolutely.

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[00:03:46] Yeah. When she was in. Scotland. I was at Hilltop, so we taught together for a year and then she was gone. Um, so I taught Brooks, older sister, Ariel. Okay.

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[00:04:02] Tiffany Turner: [00:04:02] Yeah. And, uh, she would run into my room every morning Brookwood and just give me a hug.

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[00:04:33] So she started working for us at the end in housekeeping. And then, um, she started babysitting for the boys and they loved her kind of like a big sister. And then, um, as she. As she went off to college, she would spend, she would house it for us in the summers or, you know, watch the boys. And, you know, there was one summer, I think it was.

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[00:05:12] And I was like, Hey, live here this summer. So. From then on, you know, she was family, like family. I I've often referred to her as our, not daughter, but we're only like 12 years apart. So I now realize she's just more like a little sister. And so yeah, we have a pretty fantastic relationship. She's one of my favorite, favorite humans on the

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[00:05:34] Yeah. She is a wonderful human and she seems to really think the same thing about you. And, and your parents, she talks very highly of everyone in your family. It's, it's pretty interesting, uh, kind of cool dynamic. It is. I mean, it's a

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[00:05:51] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:05:51] That's great. Cool. So did you grow up in that house that she's living in now? What's. I I get, I forget whose house is whose [00:06:00]

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[00:06:07] They were unmarried and. They ended up buying the house. And my mom tells the story that she cried. Like she had a tiny bit of savings. They were both fishing at the time. And, uh, and she cried the entire day because she had, you know, spent all of her money on this house. But then they, you know, th they remodeled it when I was in third grade, we lived with another local family while that was happening.

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[00:06:51] And so when they passed, my parents owned the property. At that point, they left. Brady and I built a house on it. They gifted it to us to buy the house, the [00:07:00] house it's cool house. So we built that house.

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[00:07:04] Tiffany Turner: [00:07:04] beautiful. Yeah. And the boys grew up there, you know, driving the tractor back and forth to grandma and grandpas.

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[00:07:12] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:07:12] are so close. Yeah. It's wonderful. Really nice. I can't even express enough how blessed we are to have that. Yeah. Just to have in-laws right down, half a mile down the road from our house. And it's, it makes it a whole Chinook feel kind of like our turf.

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[00:07:27] Tiffany Turner: [00:07:27] Yeah. It's nice. And now Jedi gets to do the same thing. She'll run up to grandma and grandpa's and

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[00:07:43] Tiffany Turner: [00:07:43] connection?

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[00:08:02] And I probably got some of the details wrong. Is he moved here, fell in love with fishing, fell in love with my mom. My grandpa helped finance a boat at that point in time. Um, they bought a boat I think in Texas and took it through the Panama canal. And I think I was conceived on that boat trip. And, uh, and then , they fished together for a while.

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[00:08:33] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:08:33] him. Oh, I bet. Was he, was it because he just got too old. Was he, did he need to be done for some reason?

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[00:08:44] Yeah. And, uh, he, he had been fishing in Alaska really since I was in college. And so he was gone a lot, you know, depending on what he was tendering for awhile and then fishing for spot prawns. Yeah, exactly. And so I think, and she. Uh, once Jared and I graduated from high school, she spent a lot [00:09:00] of time fishing with him.

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[00:09:24] Tiffany Turner: [00:09:24] his youth? It's funny, I've talked about this with a couple of people recently. I think I never showed an ounce of interest. Did you have announced of interest

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[00:09:32] Tiffany Turner: [00:09:32] no, not at all yet.

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[00:09:50] Wow. Yeah.

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[00:09:55] Tiffany Turner: [00:09:55] It was, it was fun. I mean, I remember we went to, uh, my brother and I went to Starbucks a lot [00:10:00] concert, all cool. And we sang in a karaoke bar on bourbon street. Wow. And it was during, it was during Halloween and the haunted houses in Louisiana are insane, but so we got to go through all these haunted houses.

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[00:10:35] And that was like pretty formative. And that was the longest my dad had been gone in my childhood and it was hard. And I think that may play into why I never showed an interest in fishing. It also may be that I was a pretty social kid and didn't really want to be isolated on an ocean for.

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[00:10:50] Yeah. I never got into it either. I always had like somewhat of opportunities to get involved, just growing up here, but it, uh, the idea of being [00:11:00] trapped on a boat for any amount of time gives me anxiety, like crazy. Yeah. Um, and I do get seasick that doesn't really bother me so much. Um, but it's just the idea of not being, being able to leave when you want to leave.

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[00:11:14] Tiffany Turner: [00:11:14] Yeah. I mean, my dad, I mean, he loves it. It's his, I haven't listened to the full, last podcast that you dropped, but just the first, like 10 minutes actually on the way here and any, I mean, he loves the sea. It's his, yeah. Yeah. I

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[00:11:35] Because it is, it's so hard and you have to sacrifice a lot to do it. So if you don't love it, you it'll

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[00:11:47] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:11:47] hooks, you hadn't pulled you in. Yep.

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[00:12:06] Tiffany Turner: [00:12:06] Um, so I was very strong. I'm also likable in a China shop. I don't have great coordination.

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[00:12:33] And it was going down black diamonds that day. Wow. I tried to snowboard on our honeymoon at Whistler. And at the end of two days, I still couldn't make a turn and I was done.

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[00:12:47] Tiffany Turner: [00:12:47] slippery as hell, but it comes easy for all three boys in my family. You know,

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[00:12:55] I don't, I don't get it. I am not that way. Yep. I've been skiing one time and I. [00:13:00] Dislocated my knee bent completely sideways. Uh, yeah, no, I don't wanna do that. Well,

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[00:13:12] Oh, broke your fall. Yeah, accidentally. He was trying to pass me to be fair. Well, that son of a bitch, I felt really bad. I was like, okay, I'm putting my skis back on. Cause I skied since I was a

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[00:13:28] It's you gotta have strong ankles. I think I took out a whole pack of small Asian girls, probably five or six of them. At least just wiped them all out. It's terrible. Just couldn't stop. And they couldn't hear me screaming.

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[00:13:45] Okay. I mean, there's a lot of athleticism in my extended family. I, you know, I. Like to run. I'm not, not athletic, but I'm, you know, not athletically gifted.

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[00:14:11] You have been. I mean, I haven't looked at your books, but from the appearance on the outside, massively successful in business. , and you know, beyond just your own personal success, and I'm sure you have a lot of great people around you to make that happen , it seems like the success has kind of overflowed into the entire community and it seems like the community has really benefited from having that establishment.

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[00:14:58] And it, and it seemed [00:15:00] just like, I don't know, you did something that was magic and it, and it really worked. how did all that come about? Where did it come from?

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[00:15:20] And I met when we were 12. I came back from that trip from Louisiana and the Panama canal. I'd been out of school in sixth grade for, um, in Mr. class for the full fall semester. And he, at that point moved from Okanogan. His two older brothers, one had just gotten married and the other one had graduated.

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[00:15:58] And you know, was gonna [00:16:00] go on to do all the things in Okanogan so that I think November, they were like, Hey. We're moving to the beach and he, he was at 12. He wasn't, that's a tougher. Yeah. Yeah. He was, he was pretty mad. Um, but they were moving because they wanted to buy what was boardwalk cottages? Um, it was, it was a it's right across from the movie theater in town and it was run down apartments at the time .

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[00:16:41] When we were in college, he like created a tech business with a friend. He's a go getter. He's just, yeah, he's a brilliant mind. Um, and always has new ideas. So when we moved back after college, I don't think that I really knew that that's what our path was. I think he definitely knew that the path [00:17:00] was that he would open a business of some kind in hospitality.

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[00:17:20] Sorry, my parents bought the property, but the end of discovery, coast design. And , they gave us the title to the property and said, now go build your business, take care of us when we're old. Exactly, exactly. And, uh, so we took a business plan. And a deed to a piece of property to the bank Pacific. And this was 2003.

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[00:18:00] [00:18:00] I don't, I think regulations wouldn't make it that easily now, but basically, um, it was pretty amazing and we built a house on site. Um, and so when we opened our business plan basically said one of us needed to keep working outside the home and one of us needed to work. At the business? Well, I had a nursing nine month-old at the point we opened.

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[00:18:37] we're a good team. And so, so, um, so then that was pretty successful. At that point. At a point I was pregnant with Beckett and we were like, we can't run this like romantic tourism destination while we have two screaming children while we answered the phone. Cause I was doing everything from , making breakfast baskets and running them to rooms, to cleaning.

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[00:19:07] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:19:07] is this the, in, at discovery coast? Is that the one that's just right down there? The, in the dunes, basically in front of Adrift, what's got like three stories

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[00:19:21]So basically then we were like, we got to move off site.

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[00:19:30]Tiffany Turner: [00:19:30] It's funny. I think we, at the time, you know, we were married and it was like our dream .

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[00:19:55] Then go to the city to basically do marketing or do [00:20:00] work, to get more heads in beds is what they call it to basically increase tourism and increase the tax base. So the visitors Bureau at the time came to this committee and said, we want to exclude. The edge water from, from the occupancy rates because they skew it so low.

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[00:20:30] we have plenty of time. Go ahead and go

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[00:20:32] So he came home and he was like, let's buy the Edgewater. And I was like, You're fucking crazy, which is how most conversations in our relationship start when it comes to like his crazy ideas, which are brilliant ideas. And then about 24 hours later. I'm like, all right, how are we going to do it?

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[00:21:02] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:21:02] for you, that actually seems like it could have been romantic.

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[00:21:05] Tiffany Turner: [00:21:05] getters. We didn't only write that. That's fine. Um, so we had a great time and we came back and then it was like during the recession, And scary. Yeah. I mean, we pivoted and just kind of like this most recent, you know, year, , we still had business and we were still doing well. And, but our local bank was like, well, you can run a 12 room in that doesn't mean you can run an 84 room in and lending practices had changed, but we ended up. Persevering or just continuing to bug them. And we were able to get a SBA backed loan to do Adrift.

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[00:21:49] Tiffany Turner: [00:21:49] kind of. Yeah. So it was a lot harder that second time around. And I mean, I think, um, to answer, I guess your original question.

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[00:22:15] My kind of what makes me tick has always been like community impact. I mean, my is in education. I love kids. I love making things better. And, and so it was interesting as we switched into this role now where we're managing a lot of people, Brady's an introvert and it was. Quickly apparent that he was like, I don't want to have anything to do with like the actual operating the thing.

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[00:22:44] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:22:44] each other personality wise very well. It sounds like.

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[00:22:59], [00:23:00] so for me it was about impact. Like how can we do this and make money obviously, but how can we like, not just do it to. Extract something from the community. How can we give back? How can we, you know, hopefully help our employees grow? How can we do things a little bit differently? And so I think a little bit of, of that is, you know, that lens impact.

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[00:23:23] Like when you go in there, you can sense it, that there's people behind the scenes here who really care. About the experience of being here and just the whole overall picture. , you have implemented a 15%, I think, uh, automatic tip for your employees, which I think is a really cool idea. And I'm sure you've had pushback and support both what prompted that.

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[00:23:46] idea? Um, so. We had been talking about kind of with, uh, with my management team for a long time about how to implement a more fair. And I say [00:24:00] more fair, more being the critical word there, because I don't think it is completely equitable way to, um, Compensate employees tipping.

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[00:24:14] open to implicit bias.

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[00:24:26] We had a pretty significant legal challenge in the Supreme court. So, um, basically it was, I think. And don't quote me if I'm wrong because it's been awhile. But, , it was, somebody was challenging. The fact that you couldn't basically pool tips that this was, you know, you got the tip, it was your money. And tip pooling is a practice where all the, all the money goes into one pot and you share the tip still, you know, there's a bias there because the person getting the tip, it may not be based on their actual service.

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[00:25:11] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:25:11] I've wondered about that. It's terrible. It seems like it would be illegal.

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[00:25:40] Plus. Tips and our, you know, our restaurants , have high ticket sales. So servers would be making 30 bucks an hour and your kitchens making 11 bucks an hour. Um, and you can, you know, ask them to tip out, but it still is very inequitable.

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[00:25:57] Tiffany Turner: [00:25:57] ask. Right.

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[00:26:20] So at that point, , servers were making between 28 and $24 an hour. When we initially implemented it based off of, you know, this pot of money that we expected would come in and back of house was making between 14 and 20 bucks an hour, not managing non-management wages. Um, and so you asked if it worked, if it was a success.

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[00:27:09] And, you know, all of a sudden child support was taken out and they were able to get their license back. I mean, it was, it was significantly different. So I think it's worked. I think that, you know, the reality is. A lot of servers probably would make more money if they got all the, tip

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[00:27:28] Tiffany Turner: [00:27:28] Yeah. So, so we've initially, usually we tried to not let people tip and we took the tip line off and servers got mad and some patrons got mad because, but we didn't want to be like, Hey, we're going to charge 18% and then monthly and then pay a tip. But since we've. Worked with our, actually our POS system to figure out how to really outline the fact that like your tip is already in this.

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[00:28:03] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:28:03] thing to deal with though, because there's expectations coming from the patrons, right?

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[00:28:20] Tiffany Turner: [00:28:20] I think our next step, I think the thing that.

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[00:28:38] So there's a lot of conversations happen happening nationally about wages and things like that. But, , I think we would like to. Roll it into food cost. So that it's actually like the messaging is, Hey, all of our staff get living wages. You don't need to tip. Period. And if you want to, you can do the additional tip.

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[00:29:15] And I was like, heard, like, let's keep it as is for now.

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[00:29:35] Tiffany Turner: [00:29:35] Yeah, this year's been quite a roller coaster of, you know, business emotions making it. Yeah. I mean, we're, you know, that's pure dumb luck. We have an ocean that is easy to socially distance, you know, like I think the hospitality industry in general has been really hard hit and. Our local area was really hard hit to begin with when everything shut down.

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[00:30:14] The goal is that it's an amenity to our, to our hotel guests. So making sure that we're providing that. Maybe eventually they'll make a buck, but that's,

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[00:30:31] Oh yeah. There's so you guys have a distillery there as well. Now here a little bit about that.

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[00:30:43] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:30:43] welcome to come on and go anytime you want. Hit me up. And I will put it on the

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[00:31:05] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:31:05] Yeah, probably no class ahead of me in school. Yeah. A friend of mine.

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[00:31:24] And at the time we were looking for a bar manager and I don't, I don't know that Matt had ever worked in a bar, but he was. It's extremely competent. And I think one of my charismatic,

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[00:31:33] to. Yeah. And one of my like best skill sets is finding good people and, you know, holding onto them. I think that's like why our business is successful it's not Brady.

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[00:31:58] And then, you know, you get to [00:32:00] eat out on property and then you can go taste booze, whatever it is. So we had kind of always talked around that idea, but Brady and I don't know, distilling and we weren't going to learn. So it was hard to consider. And so anyway, Matt managed the bar, he did a great job year and a half later, we figured out how to open a distillery.

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[00:32:33] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:32:33] Yeah. I've been really impressed with just how fast it's grown too. It seems like you guys just broke ground. And now it's, I'm seeing regular posts from Matt and Jacob about like releasing new products and things like that. It's pretty exciting.

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[00:32:50] It's cool. You know, cool companies, the grain comes from, I mean, they're doing it right. And they deserve all the credit.

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[00:33:00] Tiffany Turner: [00:33:00] make? Yeah, I mean, they run it by me. We talk about the numbers. Um, obviously now we've, we're in year three, so the numbers kind of are helping guide that.

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[00:33:16] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:33:16] I don't really know much about it at all. Okay. The Brown stuff takes longer. Is that why it's Brown? Because it's been sitting in a barrel barrel.

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[00:33:27] Some stuff around and rebonded the space so that we can have kind of a storage room that we can put barrels in. Um, again, I'm not going to go too deep in the process cause I'm going to say something wrong, but Matt, for sure. Or Jacob or both. Yeah. And the funny thing is they were childhood best friends growing up, so they would.

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[00:33:46] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:33:46] Yeah, I had, I believe it was algebra two with Matt and Jacob. That was when I first started getting to know them and the teacher used to refer to us collectively as the boys club. Oh, that's awesome. So we would sit in the back and talk. It was mostly them.

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[00:34:06] Tiffany Turner: [00:34:06] Yeah. Have you ever had two people on at once? I haven't.

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[00:34:18] I worry that I would just never have a chance to talk because, well, not really with Matt and Jacob though. They're, they're pretty polite. You get some people though. They just want to. Ramble.

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[00:34:29] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:34:29] and yeah. And that's fine. I, I want lots of that. I just got to have a little bit of time to throw in a yeah. Or a huh. And what else? That's kind of things, but yeah. But yeah, I think once I'm a little more confident we'll do three person shows. Yeah.

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[00:34:56] Tiffany Turner: [00:34:56] Right.

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[00:35:09] Tiffany Turner: [00:35:09] Well, , education has always been my passion. I grew up. Pretty conservative. , and education was the thing that I was always pretty liberal about and believing the public education is the great equalizer in our society.

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[00:35:51]Jeff Nesbitt: [00:35:51] yeah, your hands are kind of tied in that way.

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[00:36:11] It's kind of a thing now. And then I got roped into the business and, um, I always saw myself, you know, it's still my probably deepest love, you know, we hire. Cohorts of teenagers. We hired, I think, 50 teenagers this summer. No, I think it was 40 who worked for us. So, I mean, I still see that I'm able to do some of that work in more social ways and hopefully supporting teachers.

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[00:36:49] So I think for me, it's. Now as in a community role, figuring out how to support our educational system, because I think it is still the most important system that we have, and [00:37:00] it is worth everyone investing everything they can in because it is how we as a society grow. It's these humans that we're teaching.

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[00:37:07]Tiffany Turner: [00:37:07] I guess that's, that's my answer. I mean, I'd be on the school board forever. If I can, I don't know that's going to be an option, but yeah. So how old are your kids now? They are 15 and 17. A freshman and a junior. Wow. Time flies, man. Stretch. Yeah, I don't, no don't remind me.

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[00:37:27]Tiffany Turner: [00:37:27] sentimental?

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[00:37:31] No, not at all. I mean, you're a lot more free time.

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[00:37:57] Yeah.

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[00:38:22] So it's like, Oh my gosh, we have one year left. And

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[00:38:27] Tiffany Turner: [00:38:27] Yeah, exactly. So, so I think that, um, we're just leaning in, I guess, on, you know, taking the time to really Oh yeah. Fair. I'm like, what are you doing? Um, so really trying to figure out, you know, while we're still.

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[00:39:21] It's like, yeah, let's do

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[00:39:22] Tiffany Turner: [00:39:22] Yeah.

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[00:39:38] Yup.

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[00:40:00] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:40:00] the good parts and dreading the bad part, everything else.

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[00:40:23] Uh, taking time to prepare healthy meals. Doesn't always happen, but. At the same time, I kind of have accepted that if I'm going to be a person who produces and who's continuously growing and improving and trying to leave my Mark on the world in a positive way that some things have to take, you have to be able to prioritize and you have to be able to.

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[00:41:11] You really feel like you're able to give what you, what is needed of you in every different? So,

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[00:41:36], and I think. Also kind of seasons of life, right? Like I say, right now with the boys being at the age, they are, and knowing that we have limited time left, I'm like, Oh, I would rather make my kids breakfast and go on that run. I'm just going to accept that, you know? And so, and you know, when they're both in college, I'm going to have so much more time on my hands.

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[00:42:13] So we're burning the candle at both ends and that, you know, when we're not making the kids breakfast or watching them, you know, do something else, we're up late, you know, picking out furniture for a new hotel or, you know, answering emails at 10 30. And, you know, and we also know we've been through this enough that, you know, in four or five months, that'll wane too.

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[00:42:51] It's like a mental thing. I'm like, Oh, I only got five and a half hours of sleep. And then the next night I'm like, I've got to get seven hours of sleep. And then I can't fall asleep because I'm worried about the fact that I'm not [00:43:00] sleeping and I'm not. I know, and I don't get stressed. Like, you know, my, I, I rarely get stressed , but that's one of the things that stresses me out. It's not getting enough sleep, but other than that, you know, I'm able to really try and get myself.

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[00:43:14] Tiffany Turner: [00:43:14] You know, I don't my, so I will say I've been, I love to, I haven't been running very much. Um, I'll kind of do some intervals here and there, but, um, I've been walking a lot and I walk, I, um, with a really good friend sometimes.

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[00:43:46] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:43:46] Yeah. It's, it's really hard to do it consistently . Like I, I think of myself as, as a meditator, but if I really think about it, I haven't. I haven't meditated for five days in a row for years. Like I got it. I used to try to do it every day [00:44:00] twice.

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[00:44:15] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:44:15] Yeah. That insomnia that you were talking about, struck a chord with me because that the feeling of when you know, you're behind and then that causes your arousal state to come up and you're just like, you're, it's a threat basically, right? It's a threat to your health.

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[00:44:29] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:44:29] So you get panicked and then especially if you've got to get up early and you, and you know it, and there's going to be people waiting for you and you're doing the sleep math. You're like, if I fall asleep right now, I can get this many hours. Yeah. And then you're just like, but I can't fall asleep right now. It's like, Oh, that's a bad feeling. Yeah. Um, yeah. I used to get insomnia really bad, but I don't really too much anymore. Now I have it to where I can't stay asleep. Like I, I fall asleep super easily. Like if it's, if it's dark outside, I can fall asleep. Um, but then I wake up at like two in [00:45:00] the morning and I cannot go back to sleep and that's sucks too, but it's not nearly as bad.

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[00:45:19] And so, but since then, I've been like, all right, I try and get eight hours every night, knowing that. If I get sick, I'm fine. So I give myself a giant buffer. And so if I go to bed a little late, you know, I might like sleep alarm set. That it's fine. I use the sleep

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[00:45:36] It just gives me a little nudge.

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[00:45:50] Tiffany Turner: [00:45:50] Well, you're an, ER, you're a super early riser. So I have my sleep alarm set for, I think it's like 11, 15 and then, Oh yeah. And then like six 30.

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[00:46:04] Tiffany Turner: [00:46:04] Well, because when we add littles, it was the same thing. I mean, it was like work and then kids and then eight 30. You're like, well, I'm not going to bed. I can finally hang out with you. Yeah. I just got off work. Yeah, exactly. And now. They often go to bed after us. So there isn't any of that, but yeah.

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[00:46:27] Tiffany Turner: [00:46:27] Um, that's a good question. I mean, you probably know that I was so I love systems.

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[00:47:13] Money and politics doesn't really make for true, , leaders or people who really want to go in and shake things up, which is what I like to do. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's like, it's not designed for that. And you know, I grew up, I started the young Republicans club in high school at a Walker high school, which is now no longer there.

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[00:47:48] Um, and so it's, I'm in a, in a place right now where I'm trying to reconcile myself with like, how do you still make change to that system? While being disenfranchised in it. I think for me, it's not running through us for office. It's truly like [00:48:00] trying to pick up the people who maybe are less , um, Willing to conform to the system, but are willing to make small changes.

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[00:48:16]Jeff Nesbitt: [00:48:16] , it seems like the power structures have shifted a little bit and it's the, just the average person has more power just through the internet and you can do a lot of things influencing there.

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[00:48:34] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:48:34] Those are the things that we act that affect our everyday lives. Like, you know, I don't, I'm not affected all that much by whether Roe V. Wade is overturned at the federal level.

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[00:48:47]Jeff Nesbitt: [00:48:47] no, I know, but I'm saying like, I care about that just as much, even though it doesn't affect me directly. Right. Because that's just what we see. We're we all follow the federal politics. It seems like more closely than local. And, , [00:49:00] what people really need to pay attention to like school levies and whether, you know, the roads are being fixed. That's what people care about.

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[00:49:22] So, yeah. So,

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[00:49:26] Tiffany Turner: [00:49:26] run. Yeah, I know.

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[00:49:44], it really felt like that. And you grew up here. I, I don't know if it was just. My own personal experience, but it seemed like all, everything was just dwindling. Like the buildings were falling apart. The place seemed kind of run down [00:50:00] and, , it doesn't feel like that now. It seems like things have really improved.

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[00:50:15] Tiffany Turner: [00:50:15] We do. I think there's a couple of things. Uh, from a tourism perspective, our season has definitely, um, expanded.

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[00:50:47] And so it's been so refreshing, you know? So when we decided to come back, it was like,

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[00:50:56] Tiffany Turner: [00:50:56] I mean, we, we didn't, you know, we were, I was teaching radio was running insurance, [00:51:00] so it was like, Oh, that's so cool that they moved back, but there was nobody else that had moved back. And so it's been, so there are so many young people. Who have decided , to come back or to stay here. , and , they've added vibrancy to our community. And, and I think it makes such a difference because now we, I can look and I can see people from 20 to 50 who grew up here and who are choosing to live here now. And a lot of that is advantages of technology and, you know, but it really has made our community more vibrant, which makes it more accessible and more attractive to tourists, you know?

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[00:51:32] Tiffany Turner: [00:51:32] absolutely

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[00:51:46] Tiffany Turner: [00:51:46] Nope, it doesn't.

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[00:51:48]Tiffany Turner: [00:51:48] there's so many great people

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[00:52:08] Tiffany Turner: [00:52:08] Yep.

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[00:52:32] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:52:32] She's a high achiever.

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[00:52:36] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:52:36] She will .

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[00:52:38] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:52:38] Oh, I hope she doesn't though. Cause then I'm going to have to, I don't really want to,

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[00:52:42] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:52:42] well, I would only do it just so I can beat her.,

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[00:52:48] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:52:48] Well, I don't actually want to do it. Um, hopefully I'll just when she can get a runner up. So after I get impeached, then she'll take over good job. Perfect.

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[00:52:57] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:52:57] That's an inside joke. Okay.

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[00:53:44]Jeff Nesbitt: [00:53:44] We need people to do that.

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[00:53:46] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:53:46] And especially, I'm sure it's a. I'm sure there are people doing it, but it, I get the impression from what comes down from Olympia in Seattle that we don't even exist. No, they talk about Willapa Bay as if it's just like a, uh, [00:54:00] it is a wildlife refuge, but it's also,

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[00:54:03] And it's absolutely there's aquaculture going on there.

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