Episode 16
016- Twenty-seven Years Later with Madeline Moore (Dickerson)
I welcome Madeline Moore (Dickerson) to the crabshed and we sit down for a doozy of a podcast. We talk about our shared past, Madeline's many achievements, and what drives her to achieve in her life as a rural millennial. We go deep into her past as the youngest hooker in a group of elderly rug makers, she details her time running her own critically-acclaimed bakery, and she graciously helps me to understand hot-button topics like white male privilege and cultural appropriation. There really isn't a dull moment throughout the whole two hours. I hope you enjoy!
Topics/Keywords:
Facebook, Instagram, Tiffany Turner, Randy Bloom, Rick Bishop, over-achieving, boredom, daydreaming, Rethinking Rural, ghosts, hacky sack, mistaken identity, Hannah Bolden, mushrooms, Institute for Democratic Future, rural identity, rural assembly, Rural Everywhere Conference, The Rural Juror, Tik Tok, targeted advertising, "sloppy ankle", kinetic chain problems, exposition, student elections, ASB, political office, most likely to be famous, stress, mean people, therapeutic crying, pregnancy books, new baby, other people's babies, pregnancy books, white male perspective, white privilege, kindness, Black Lives Matter, Columbia Pacific Heritage Museum, Chinook dug-out canoe, small businesses, Pink Poppy Bakery, organic farming, journalism, hipster wedding cakes, Julia Child, cooking, baking, Willapa Bay Artist Residency, old lady crafts, needlepoint, performance art, flute solos, banjo, Canned Heat, Up to the Country, Alex Mack, Elementary School, education, talent shows, musical talent, music theory, Johan Sebastian Bach, Chopin, tenor banjo mandalele, contemporary music, Tegan & Sara, bluegrass, vinyl, retro tech, active listening, Modest Mouse, personality types, sad music, grief, coping w/loss, parenting toddlers, Disney's Frozen, Long Beach Peninsula, tsunami risk, Klipsan Beach, tsunami, country-folk, Target, diversity, Willapa National Wildlife Refuge, nature, urban sprawl, Wal-Mart, role models, guilt, pranks, theatre, Peninsula Players, Pride Month, Pride Gala, LGBTQ and allies, cultural appropriation, Will and Grace, fashion, Pillow Cube, Eminem, specialty pillows, sleep, CBD, 2018 WA Agriculture bill, Bitcoin, industrial hemp, risk-aversion, tax policy, finance, divorce, Hawaii, Holiday Friends, first dates, step-parenting, Bend OR, Hometown, HGTV, Ireland, foreign accents, film studies, Apple iPhone, Garageband, Audacity, perfectionism.
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Music Credits:
--Meander, Jobii.
--Still Fly, Revel Day
Transcript
Ep. 016- Madeline Dickerson (Moore)
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[:[00:00:13] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:00:13] adult fun in general. Oh, no. Hate that thing. I got to rescale the display. Oh gosh. This is all very interesting industry jargon. You probably wouldn't understand. Don't even, don't worry about it.
[:[00:00:32]Jeff Nesbitt: [00:00:32] Okay. Display. It actually happens every time . Totally. Yeah. Yeah. Just how it works. Yeah.
[:[00:00:40] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:00:40] Most of the time though, when it's other people with you, I'm like, okay, no, it's okay. But I like act like I'm calmly fixing whatever problem is, I'm panicking. And my brain is frozen. I have no idea what to do.
[:[00:01:06] your little Zen plant.
[:[00:01:11] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:01:11] candle plant
[:[00:01:19] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:01:19] Yeah. Who knows? I shot lots of products just in case
[:[00:01:36] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:01:36] I feel like this was a challenge.
[:[00:01:47] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:01:47] passion project. Her birthday's in a week. I know it's coming out. It's not very good. Not ready for public consumption. I, you know, so I'm not, I might just have to spit it to her freestyle.
[:[00:01:57] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:01:57] it podcast. At some point
[:[00:02:14] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:02:14] vocals later.
[:[00:02:19] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:02:19] Look at coordination. I got the stuff it's going to happen that way, but it didn't sound better. It sounded much, much worse. I don't know how keys work. So I was like, ah, key. What key to put it in. So, most of that is me Googling.
[:[00:02:54] I won't bore you with that, but never recorded on anything my life and I ruined it more. [00:03:00] And now I'm sad. I haven't looked at it for awhile. Oh, that's kind of a bummer. Yeah. It is what it is. The rap game is not for the faint of heart before we get started. I have a pregame list that I was, we should go over.
[:[00:03:29] You're not unquote w this is like a game of verbal hacky sack, which I think you okay. Ready? Yeah. You know how it hacky sack? The hacky sack goes back and forth, but if I want to keep it and bounce it a few extra times, you know, showboat a little bit give the people what they want to see. I can do that, but eventually I got to pass it back over.
[:[00:04:04] Yeah. Okay. Rule number one have fun. So, you know, we're here to have
[:[00:04:12] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:04:12] water. No mountain fresh fish. What's Olympia.
[:[00:04:32] It's like, they're no longer shipping to the peninsula bummer.
[:[00:04:51] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:04:51] Every time I've tried to ship anything from my Kia. It's like your item cost. Well, no, they're like, Oh, here's your item. It's $80. Shipping is [00:05:00] $240.
[:[00:05:11] Yeah. I can't help you come into the store. I came to the store. Oh. I was at the store when he was telling me this. That's why he was feeling guilty because he's like, eh, I know you drove all the way, but you're going to have to make several more trips or pay $200 an item for shipping. You sons of bitches, dish, motherfucker.
[:[00:05:32] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:05:32] They're great. I actually, I love, Oh man. The store itself. Fantastic.
[:[00:05:42] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:05:42] like Mecca. It is. It's the pregnant Mecca. Yeah. Just wandering in a big circle. Yeah. They've got food at the end, during purses.
[:[00:05:56] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:05:56] I brought them home in the freezer pack. Shiny sauce
[:[00:06:08] We can do bits or banter or, whatever we want. So don't put pressure to make it a certain thing. Oh, rule number three. This is a show. So God damn it. You better make it a show.
[:[00:06:26] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:06:26] rule. Number four, silences are okay. I feel people's tension when things are silent, because that happens in real life. There's lulls in conversation. It's part of the flow of how people communicate. For some reason on this, people are like, Oh my God, they're there to say, we got to say something. And they're looking at me like, say something and then I'll say something like, but I was then I'll ask a question that was unrelated to those noises.
[:[00:06:57] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:06:57] Well, that's like the first rule of [00:07:00] interviewing, like in journalism school is when you interview people like silence makes people tell you stuff that they weren't expecting to tell you.
[:[00:07:12] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:07:12] I know.
[:[00:08:08] [00:08:00] welcome to another episode of ramble by the river. I'm joined in the studio today with an old friend, Madeline Moore, Madeline. How's it going? It's
[:[00:08:18] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:08:18] I'm going to do that again. I didn't like the way that um, also I had an idea of, wow. I want to list off all of your jobs. Oh yeah.
[:[00:08:28] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:08:28] I don't see it
[:[00:08:31] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:08:31] Yeah. Or, or just, you know, the standard interest of whatever you want in there, I guess, actually.
[:[00:08:44] Where do we, where should we start? I don't know. I guess that's up to you in 1990. Okay. Where are your current jobs?
[:[00:09:01] [00:09:00] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:09:01] I better turn my phone off or was that, you know, that's on me.
[:[00:09:06] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:09:06] I never have my ringer on what you're a bad millennial.
[:[00:09:15] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:09:15] Co-founder yeah. Co-founder and director of rethinking rural, which is a really horrible word to say into a microphone.
[:[00:09:24] Yep. It's awful. Alrighty.
[:[00:09:27] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:09:27] but one more like real one, that's not funny or joking.
[:[00:09:37] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:09:37] a mom.
[:[00:09:39] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:09:39] Getting a mom is a job. I was kidding.
[:[00:09:45] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:09:45] the hardest of jobs.
[:[00:09:48] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:09:48] jobs. Not even sure if I'm afraid of my own mom or my
[:[00:10:03] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:10:03] Board of command. All right. What year was Junior Miss? Loyalty,
[:[00:10:12] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:10:12] 2000?
[:[00:10:21] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:10:21] when that also, yeah, I thought so you good at winning and stuff?
[:[00:10:33] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:10:33] stuff maybe we'll get to that. Okay. Well, miss loyalty, I had forgotten you one that also, Oh yeah. Okay. From the top. Welcome to another exciting episode of ramble by the river. I am joined in studio today with an old friend, Madeline Moore.
[:[00:11:21] How'd you get involved in so many things? That's a bad question. That's a bad question where I'm going to start with that one. How about instead? I would say something like, it sounds like you're good at winning. Is that true?
[:[00:11:52] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:11:52] sports.
[:[00:12:12] I might not see all the time, but it's nice to
[:[00:12:28] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:12:28] Google rethinking role or ramble by the river.
[:[00:12:39] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:12:39] Well, you know what? The new law, the new like is on Instagram. I was just reading about this is saving posts. So people have to save your posts. The little, like, I don't know, it looks like the bottom of a ribbon to me,
[:[00:12:52] Is that, is that, so
[:[00:13:04] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:13:04] You heard it here. People saved those posts, but only mine. How do you know so much about the algorithm?
[:[00:13:13] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:13:13] Put her on the list. Yep. Put it on the list. Yep. You have a pretty substantial list of accomplishments and different jobs. When I look at your resume though, I don't get the impression that you were fired from these jobs. You seem like a high achiever is, do you get bored easily? What's the deal?
[:[00:13:32] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:13:32] when you add the first question you asked,
[:[00:13:39]Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:13:39] But basically
[:[00:13:41] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:13:41] questions. Oh, Tiffany. Yeah. I mean, I'm pretty I'm I am an overachiever 100%. That was like a nickname. I think that Randy bloom gave me, or maybe it was Bishop, somebody on
[:[00:13:57] Yep. I never had catchy nicknames. [00:14:00] Mine always just said my name. Oh man, this chair is squeaky. It's driving me nuts. I'm in the market for a new chair. Yeah. Ergonomics important, you know? Yeah. We're not getting any younger. Oh, that is a fact. Spinal compression
[:[00:14:19] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:14:19] Yeah. I asked my boss, I got my haircut yesterday. I asked the barber if he found any grades and he's like, no. Oh. And I think he was lying to protect my feelings.
[:[00:14:43] So like if something comes up and it seems exciting and like a good next step, then I jump in. But yeah, I don't like doing the same thing for super long periods
[:[00:15:01] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:15:01] I think it's a mix like rethinking rural was totally a daydream project. Those ones are scarier. Totally. That was a daydream, but then like a lot of things, I mean, being the director of the museum was totally plopped in my lap. And that was just like, Oh yeah, that seems like a perfect fit. I'm going
[:[00:15:18] It really does seem like a perfect fit. And that seems like that was pretty recent. How long has it? Just since
[:[00:15:36] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:15:36] like, must have been an easy choice for the board.
[:[00:15:46] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:15:46] Is that a full-time gig? You get to that's awesome. So we had some listeners submissions for questions.
[:[00:15:55] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:15:55] yay. Yeah, this that you just reminded me of when talking about the [00:16:00] museum, so I'll pull them out, but yeah, the museum thinks cool.
[:[00:16:09] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:16:09] pull up this one? Yeah. I mean, because it's such a small museum, we only have five staff and that includes our maintenance person. So, I mean, in terms of like daily programming at the museum, the executive director does a lot.
[:[00:16:34] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:16:34] Does that include ghost control?
[:[00:16:42] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:16:42] the ghosts.
[:[00:16:50] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:16:50] James. Oh yeah. I remember him. And he played the bass.
[:[00:17:00] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:17:00] right after high school. Me and my friends got into hacky sack for probably one summer enough to where we could like, I mean, it took a couple of months before we could all get a full hack.
[:[00:17:15] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:17:15] Oh, man. It's great. So a full hack is when everyone in your group manages to hit the hacky sack. At least
[:[00:17:31] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:17:31] hacky sack is a great team building exercise.
[:[00:18:00] [00:18:00] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:18:00] I don't know. Rowdy, Randy.
[:[00:18:10] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:18:10] Did you want to
[:[00:18:20] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:18:20] I want to make a confession.
[:[00:18:41] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:18:41] mushrooms. Push Hannah in front of the bus, for
[:[00:18:48] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:18:48] me, which I think really what I heard it, I laughed really hard because I was like, wow, this is going to confuse so many people.
[:[00:19:04] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:19:04] a few of those out there, whatever I've heard Silicon Valley's sweet with them.
[:[00:19:09]Jeff Nesbitt: [00:19:09] Okay.
[:[00:19:14] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:19:14] which is plus you're very trendy.
[:[00:19:17] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:19:17] That's great. Thanks for improving my profile.
[:[00:19:40] what is rethinking rural you can answer at whatever pace you need.
[:[00:19:50] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:19:50] That's probably how she originally became your
[:[00:20:05] And they bring together people all over across the state, but it's really Seattle centered in Seattle focused in terms of politics. But it was still a really great program. And I met a lot of like really great gage, young people, but the whole time I was like, it's like a six month program. I just wanted it to be more focused on rural.
[:[00:20:59] And they [00:21:00] were like, yeah, that sounds great. Like, sign me up. So. I have now had a four-year partnership with those two women, a shout out Mallory, shout out to Denise. And we started rethinking we're on. So we did a symposium back in 2018 in March, and we had 50 rural millennials from across the country, come to port towns in for like three days and talk about what it means to be a rural millennial and how to make our communities better.
[:[00:21:51] So
[:[00:22:07] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:22:07] Yeah. So we're partnering with this national organization called rural assembly and they do a conference. Well, they usually do in-person conferences, but since the pandemic they've been doing this thing called rural everywhere, and it's these national digital conferences, they did one a couple of months ago and we're producing three videos on specific people that will premiere during that digital conference.
[:[00:22:50] So for example, the first one is about this woman, jury who lives in port Townsend, who created a bicycle delivery service during the pandemic. So she delivers [00:23:00] groceries to people and NATS also creating a comic to go along with the video that we're creating for that. And then it's later like three to five minute long videos, and then they'll premiere during the.
[:[00:23:12] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:23:12] Yeah. What exactly is rural? What does rural mean? And how many times can you say it fast?
[:[00:23:22] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:23:22] That's a tough one. It makes my lips feel like they're not big enough.
[:[00:23:37] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:23:37] rethinking rural, actually that kind of freshens it up.
[:[00:23:52] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:23:52] bird, I had that kicking around in here just now. And I was like, grasping, I couldn't think of what it was.
[:[00:24:09] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:24:09] Yeah. What would be even a, you can't even,
[:[00:24:26] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:24:26] Yeah, for like the first three weeks of this podcast, every time I tried to say the name, I called it ramble on the roof.
[:[00:24:35] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:24:35] You should have, he should have just written named the
[:[00:24:57] Yeah. It's still just pops out every once in a while. It's [00:25:00] weird. Yeah. Instagram is actually getting old. It's 10 years
[:[00:25:06] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:25:06] Instagram. I know. It's it's weird. It goes through like where they're.
[:[00:25:18] Oh
[:[00:25:26] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:25:26] such a time suck. Like I
[:[00:25:31] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:25:31] when I first downloaded the app for the first time, I think I spent like three hours just like, Oh my God, this is like, Oh, more cat videos, more moms drinking, wine videos.
[:[00:25:50] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:25:50] Yeah. What's your go-to social media. Instagram. Yeah, me too. It's simple. Yeah. I wish they could let you direct link stuff.
[:[00:26:03] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:26:03] all that.
[:[00:26:13] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:26:13] could be. I think originally the reason why they didn't have it is because they were trying to make it more of just like an image based. They didn't want you to leave the platform.
[:[00:26:34] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:26:34] stuff there. Yeah. And their ads. I was talking about this with Allie. Oh yeah. It's like the new mall, except it's specifically targeted at you and the ads are like insanely good.
[:[00:27:02]You will look deep into their soul. That's
[:[00:27:10] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:27:10] would look totally. When you think of someone looking at yours, does it make you feel pangs of terror? Oh yeah, me too. I can't let people know, even though I'm not looking at anything that would even be remotely surprising.
[:[00:27:28] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:27:28] like that on mine. They don't think I do any physical abuse.
[:[00:27:39] Oh. And I'm like, I'm gonna figure it out. And I have, and it's like, I'd trace most of it back to like compensating for injuries that have caused other injuries that have caused other injuries all the way up the chain. Like I have problems with my jaw all the way down to my ankle. And I think it all stems back to [00:28:00] a really bad sprained ankle I had in eighth grade where I tore ligaments in my foot and didn't go to the doctor and it's my, the doctors say I have a sloppy ankle.
[:[00:28:20] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:28:20] hate when people do that, Hey, when people quote stuff, that's not actually quote or like in emails, put quotes around stuff.
[:[00:28:30] It should be punishable by death.
[:[00:28:38] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:28:38] have more sympathy for, for, you know, the dummies than I used to when it comes to that stuff. Because, well, it's harder now to remember for me. So like I'll be writing a word and I'll be like, is it, you know, I E or E I, I, who gives a fuck.
[:[00:28:58] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:28:58] way more sympathy for [00:29:00] like misspelling, like yeah, sure. Whatever. Misspell a word. Turn your caps lock off.
[:[00:29:16]Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:29:16] I think you asked me what rural means.
[:[00:29:23] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:29:23] just testing you. I'm just asking questions. You already know the
[:[00:29:45] No, we put in a box, but I felt like I was, I was going to try to be an achiever as well. And you got a lot of that attention that
[:[00:30:06] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:30:06] Loki dig.
[:[00:30:10] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:30:10] So anyway, refresh my memory where like what? Well,
[:[00:30:18] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:30:18] career, which is something I was always very bad at winning. Never
[:[00:30:24] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:30:24] job. I never won. I never won a student
[:[00:30:31] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:30:31] So that was, I liked that I can
[:[00:30:35] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:30:35] kid. What would be that what I'm trying to think, like what that would be in like the presidential cabinet, like the person. Yes, exactly. All right. I was cheap stuff.
[:[00:30:52] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:30:52] I mean, I hold political office now with the hospital board. That's an elective.
[:[00:31:00] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:31:00] someday?
[:[00:31:04] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:31:04] That's in the yearbook right here. Let's see. Oh, let's see. What else do you want? Do you want more than one of those
[:[00:31:20] I live in, in Chinook.
[:[00:31:24] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:31:24] the football football picture powder puff.
[:[00:31:29] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:31:29] That was fun. We got a few of the former guests, Hannah Bolden, Alison Brooks.
[:[00:31:41] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:31:41] that can be said for most sporting events in which she was involved with.
[:[00:31:47] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:31:47] ass. Oh yeah. Yeah. You did not mess with her in sports. No, she was good. Yeah, no, I definitely see myself running for. Other political offices. I mean, I think it's really, it's hard for me [00:32:00] sometimes to want to do it because it is so unfair. It's a fucking mess.
[:[00:32:23] And no matter what we do. Yeah. And I met I'm a crier.
[:[00:32:41] Oh. Just, you know, little lady stuff.
[:[00:32:56] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:32:56] Yeah. People are mean
[:[00:33:11] Stop the bleeding. I will stop the bleeding. I will make sure you don't die. But if someone's, I mean, to me, it all just crumbles and I just like,
[:[00:33:33] But as soon as people start, like putting undue expectations on me or blaming me for the problem, the bleeding, whatever it happens to be in this scenario, it's kind of morbid, but it works well here. I react in anger. I'm like, all right, fine. Fuck it. You guys let them die.
[:[00:33:56] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:33:56] crying is all right though.
[:[00:34:06] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:34:06] couple of weeks.
[:[00:34:09] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:34:09] time. I mean, I feel like probably, yeah, probably a couple of weeks.
[:[00:34:22] I would think that me too, that's probably what they want you to think as well. Private, a little crime bitches.
[:[00:34:48] Yeah. And I can't talk, even if I'm not that upset, you know? Yeah. What's your
[:[00:34:56] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:34:56] Oh yeah, totally.
[:[00:35:05] Almost too much. I can't do
[:[00:35:15] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:35:15] I actually haven't had other people's new baby cry. Oh yeah. But I had my own, and that was a powerful moment. I, it actually gives me a little bit of the shivers now thinking about it because it was stirring.
[:[00:35:32] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:35:32] Yeah, I do. I mean, I think it's weird. Like I think I would, I would have said no, like a year ago and my mindset about that has changed a lot. Uh, It hurts partially. That does happen.
[:[00:35:56] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:35:56] insulting, always telling you what's what about babies and [00:36:00] pregnancy when, but then
[:[00:36:03] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:36:03] Yeah. When Melissa was pregnant, I read a ton of pregnancy books and I've always planned on being a dad.
[:[00:36:12] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:36:12] Which is good. Men
[:[00:36:27] Cause you can be around some people who, you know, didn't read the books and if you give them advice, they still get really mad ladies don't they don't want to hear that shit from a human with a Nope.
[:[00:36:43] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:36:43] Yeah. Especially in this day and age, it's getting real tricky to be able to sling out advice these days for the old white man.
[:[00:36:51] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:36:51] yeah. Yeah. You're not on like super, super solid footing right now. Nope.
[:[00:37:04] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:37:04] couple. Yeah. Thousand years of few being paid attention to, so I think it's okay.
[:[00:37:11] I think I didn't do all those horrible things, but
[:[00:37:17] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:37:17] Yeah. And, you know, it's kind of funny actually, because there's a lot of talk about white privilege, which is 100% real and I don't even need to make any jokes about that. And it kind of the argument with that is that we may not have, you know, perpetrated those acts, but we did benefit from the systems that they created.
[:[00:37:52] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:37:52] I think you've still gotten a lot of privilege.
[:[00:37:56] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:37:56] fine. I have to agree. My life has been pretty good. It's just [00:38:00] funny to think about, because people do act like most of that, I mean a lot, not all people, but people between the ages of 18 and 24 act like these are black and white issues. And it's really easy to get sucked into that.
[:[00:38:31] That it's almost hard to understand. And that kind of, it just comes with age perspective and
[:[00:38:54] Yeah. I think it's easy. That's the easy way we're to just finishing each other's. Yeah, I think it's [00:39:00] easy and I lazy,
[:[00:39:08] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:39:08] Yeah. I mean, I believe you never stop learning and in our society and our culture is never gonna stop evolving and changing.
[:[00:39:30] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:39:30] and things change faster now than they used to. Like the rate of changes has just accelerated,
[:[00:39:39] Like I think people need to be. Filled with grace with, for each other, because I think like it is, it is fast paced and it is hard for people to wrap their brains around sometimes that, that things do change so quickly and that what they learned when they were 16 is not the case now. And that's fine.
[:[00:39:58] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:39:58] about it. Yeah, I guess. [00:40:00] And is that what you mean when you say grace is yeah. Be kind when people, when they make
[:[00:40:18] And I think like, as like a white person and a white woman, like I have a lot of learning to do, and I will always have a lot of learning to do. And my experience is very different than most. And so like if, when I make a mistake and I say something that is not sensitive or is incorrect or whatever with someone it'll happen.
[:[00:40:58] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:40:58] And then be just as quick to forgive when [00:41:00] somebody offends you.
[:[00:41:24] How am I going to better society? But that's why it's important to have principles so that you just know there are certain lines you don't cross.
[:[00:41:50] And I don't think anyone's getting anything out of it. So I just don't engage.
[:[00:42:01] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:42:01] I mean, I'd Mo I'm a doer. Like I would much rather go get shit done. I don't want to sit around and just like talk about it. And
[:[00:42:12] Yeah. When people just argue about. You know the same shit over and over again. Totally. It's exhausting. I
[:[00:42:39] So I think it's super valuable. But then it's like, well then what are we going to do about it? Because if we just have about it and we all think that we're like a little more enlightened and that we're a little more sensitive and we understand our privileges and our biases, but we're not doing anything, then what's the point.
[:[00:42:57] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:42:57] to kind of take it with you into real life.
[:[00:43:05] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:43:05] day-to-day. Yeah. Listen to Madeline dropping how many books she can. We get it. You're so smart. Okay.
[:[00:43:19]Jeff Nesbitt: [00:43:19] I think most of it was in my own head if I'm being honest. Yeah. I'm, it's, it's 90% of joke, but yeah, the truth is, it was always like if there was any kind of. A vote for something, or there was one slot that, or that was a writing contest or anything. You're really
[:[00:43:43] Are you okay? Oh my
[:[00:44:03] I heard there's some canoes.
[:[00:44:10] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:44:10] something. That's where I got off the phone with him. I wrote it down. Sweet. Perfect. I was curious about that too. It sounded like a good question.
[:[00:44:17] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:44:17] mean, I think that the museum is more of a treasurer than a lot of people just assume from like walking through our exhibits are kind of like the day-to-day of what the museum does. I truly believe that the museum is the it's the keeper of our heart, of our communities. I mean, it is, yeah, it is that it is the keeper of our culture.
[:[00:45:02] We do, we actually have like a modern built, Chinook canoe. And then we have a canoe that apparently came out of Loomis Lake that's like that people always thought was a native canoe, but it's not, it's like a, it's carved out of one LA one log. And it's just like a recreational canoe. And then we have a duck boat, a double under deck, this mystery canoe.
[:[00:45:27] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:45:27] Mr. So somebody pulled it out of the Lake and popped it in the museum, but then like an expert came and saw it and it was like, Oh actually, no, it's not her. What, what's the story on that? You know, I
[:[00:45:47] Cause you'll get that a lot. I mean, whenever people dig anything up, it's like, Oh, this must be from, this must be from the Chinook. Like, and it's not. So yeah, well that, and I mean, it's just assumed that if it's [00:46:00] old and it's in the ground, sometimes that it like has native connection and that's not always the case.
[:[00:46:26] I think that's what people, some people assume as like, Oh, you must be like an expert on that. He was like, no, right away. I assumed I right away. I mean, I know a lot mostly because I grew up volunteering at the museum and grew up, I interned there a couple of summers and things like that. And I'm interested in local history, but I mean, my job as the director is to make sure that we make money like that we have money and that we can pay staff and that our doors stay open.
[:[00:47:05] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:47:05] totally. And I'm sure you're good at that.
[:[00:47:14] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:47:14] Yes. I mean, I, I feel like running your own business is like the best training ground for just about anything. I
[:[00:47:24] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:47:24] Yeah. So after I graduated from college Jacob and I went and worked on organic farms in Ireland for six months. And when we were there, we were trying to decide what to do when we got home. Cause I didn't have a job. And I had just graduated with a journalism degree in 2011, which was not great time to have a journalism degree and I couldn't get a job.
[:[00:48:00] And so I was like, I just throw it on the beach. So we moved home and I started like a little farmer's market bakery and yeah, did it for over six years until I had Quincy and it was great. It was really rewarding. And and I ma I became a part of the community in like a really. Unique and special way that I wouldn't have become had I not had my own business and not.
[:[00:48:31] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:48:31] embraced. Yeah, it's really cool. Plus it was awesome to have a bakery that was that you could get delicious treats from because I was
[:[00:48:47] And I was doing like, kind of the, what is now like the hip kind of wedding cakes, but back then was like still pretty fresh and new. And [00:49:00] so we, yeah, it just was like this little niche that I was able to fill for six years and and it was super great. I loved every second of it really. Is
[:[00:49:16] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:49:16] Do I feel like I did it, it was a lot of work, like so much work. It was something that I could really only do in my like twenties without kids. Cause it was really grind. Yeah. Like, Oh, I'm going to be in a bakery making stuff for. I mean, I would have like a 16 hour day, like there were days where I was just in there from 4:00 AM until 7:00 PM just working and and then all the markets, and I didn't have any employees until I had the storefront for a year.
[:[00:50:09] And then sometimes also at like the long beach, Friday market,
[:[00:50:29] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:50:29] trying to remember what I made.
[:[00:50:37]Jeff Nesbitt: [00:50:37] You might've cooked or baked more than once. I don't know.
[:[00:50:43] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:50:43] it was in various there's sixth grade. I'm I'm pretty sure. Yeah. Cause I know it was at Hilltop.
[:[00:50:50] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:50:50] and Dan Chang, but I remember that very vividly boiling bagels. I loved baking all through high school and everything. I baked all the [00:51:00] time. And I was constantly working through the at-home or a baking with Julia book,
[:[00:51:12] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:51:12] Julia child, child, without an S yeah, whatever.
[:[00:51:29] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:51:29] yeah. Maybe a little less, like in the last six months or so, but well, before I was the director at the museum, and before I worked for drift, I was a private chef for the willpower Bay artists residency up in oyster bell.
[:[00:52:00] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:52:00] good ingredients.
[:[00:52:09] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:52:09] and they would like not pick out the capers.
[:[00:52:32] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:52:32] world, one of the best steaks I've ever had, so good.
[:[00:52:40] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:52:40] hit or miss, we all have our days yeah, love that place. And so I was a waitress there for a number of years, like when I'd come back from college in the summer. And anyway, Doris grass who was married or is married to Nells, who used to be the pastor at the church here in shuck.
[:[00:53:21] Cause I was trying to figure out what I was going to do when I had Quincy. Cause I knew I couldn't do the bakery anymore. And she was like, no one, you would be perfect. So you just
[:[00:53:34] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:53:34] Yeah. And it worked, I mean, it was perfect cause it was like, I knew Doris really well.
[:[00:53:48] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:53:48] got it. So obviously you put yourself in a position to have opportunities and just as the, you always have, do you ever feel like it's somehow predetermined, like it's fate, do you believe in any kind of [00:54:00] destiny or is it just random?
[:[00:54:03] Madeline Moore (Dickerson): [00:54:03] I, Oh, I think I believe in a mix. Like I do believe in fate and I believe that there are, there are things that are going to happen to you. And, but I do believe you have to make the right decisions when they're presented to you. And that you have to jump on things when you have the opportunity to, so that's kind of what I've always done is li
