Episode 101
Something About Guns with Kevin Sealy
Kevin Sealy joins Jeff for an engaging discussion about his gun safety business operating in the heart of the PNW. We meander into other familiar topics for Ramble by the River; conspiracies, local lore, and mental health. But the main topic today is guns and their place in society. How can we be safer? How can we live in a society where guns provide more protection than harm? Where can we go to become educated about how to properly handle these weapons?
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Transcript
[00:00:11] Uh, I'm your host, Jeff Nesbitt. And we've got a great show for you today.
[:[00:00:29] If you're not aware these invasive species have made their way up. Through California through Oregon and into Washington. And who knows. If we're not careful, they could be out here at the coast anytime. So I figured I better beat him to the punch. You know, cut them off at the past. I'm going down to California, I'm going to find one. I'm going to kill it. And I'm going to eat it.
[:[00:02:17] We talked for a long time. And the vast majority of that time, we spent talking about guns. I tried to get into conspiracy theories a little bit, but he was a stickler about it. He actually believes in the moon landing. Uh, silly boy.
[:[00:02:49] So be it. Go ahead. I just don't believe it anymore. I can't believe it. I don't believe it.
[:[00:03:09] We talk a lot about how guns and gun people. Are viewed and how that image could be better. There's a lot of people who get tied up with ego. When it comes to guns. You know, Briar from my cold dead hands type of shit. It's not really helpful. I think education is always the most important thing when it comes to things like this, things that are dangerous but necessary. And if you don't think guns are necessary, you're living in the dream world because they are.
[:[00:03:56] Nearing irrelevancy. Because I don't think it's possible. It's really hard to collect shit from people, especially when they don't want to give it to you.
[:[00:04:15] I don't see it being possible. I just don't.
[:[00:04:21] Possible. So it's, it's maybe not a good thing to just write it off as a possibility.
[:[00:05:02] as a military strategist. You don't want to have to go in and go house to house, trying to get people's guns, knowing that a lot of these houses do have guns. You're going to lose a lot of soldiers right up front. It's going to be a hassle. It's not going to be easy.
[:[00:05:23] I don't know, I'm probably getting too deep into this. I'll just let you guys listen to the episode. We talk about all this stuff quite a bit.
[:[00:06:15] Not even joking. Every single time somebody tells me, Hey, I like the show. I hope you keep making it. I immediately feel like running into the studio to make another podcast. But if I go weeks and weeks and I feel like I'm just grinding and never hearing anything back from anybody, I'm just like, what the fuck am I doing this for? Who is this for? Because it's not. Really bringing me anything. And if no one else is even listening or enjoying it, what the fuck am I doing? So just. Yeah, that's me just saying, if you actually like to show, let me know. Because I'll keep doing it. Because it's fun. But I want to do something that somebody is actually getting something out of, you know?
[:[00:06:59] So after a quick message from our sponsor, we'll get to the show.
[:[00:08:14] Kevin Sealy: If I had a podcast, this is the kind of thing I'd want to do. You ready to go? Yeah, I'll start it
[:[00:08:18] Kevin Sealy: now. We're going. Cool. All right. Yeah, no. If I was to do a podcast, this is what I would want. Just conversations with people, meet people, and more so to, to talk about the, just the regular bullshit in life.
[:[00:08:32] Jeff Nesbitt: okay if I Oh, totally. Yeah. Okay. Swear away. Okay. Say, say whatever you want. Yeah.
[:[00:09:04] I think Joe Rogan has some cool stuff, but like, to me, this is fun. Like, we're gonna hang out. It is fun. We're gonna have a drink. We're gonna just talk about weird stuff.
[:[00:09:26] That's the whole point. And I actually was inspired to start this based on not just Joe Rogan's show, because I don't do it just like he does, but his little network of, of podcasts, his podcast community like Theo Vaughn, Brennan Shaw, and Brian, see, I don't even remember his name
[:[00:09:58] He's met so many people and so many people have come on that he has an intimate relationship with more people than just about anybody in
[:[00:10:14] Kevin Sealy: voice. But, you know, I gotta tell you that my favorite of the shows like that is the Sean Ryan show.
[:[00:10:47] Uh, do you know who that is? Oh, yeah. She was fantastic. She was on his show. I've seen her on a few. Yep. And so he's met with a lot of different people like that. But his show is really cool because, you know, we all have heard different stories and seen different documentaries about people in these high level warfare positions.
[:[00:11:25] Yeah, I
[:[00:11:27] Kevin Sealy: a good show. It's a really cool show. Uh, the DJ Shipley interview, are you familiar with who DJ Shipley is? No, he's also a former Navy Seal. It's about a six hour long interview, and I tell you what, I ate it right up when I listened to that. It was one of the best shows I've ever listened to.
[:[00:11:45] Kevin Sealy: It's called the Sean Ryan Show. Sean Ryan
[:[00:11:57] He's got a lot of good ideas. Maybe he does, maybe 10 years down the road. There's a lot of people who've gone through that universe who eventually will probably see in high level positions
[:[00:12:15] We don't have that in our current government, and it doesn't matter which side of the fence you land on, and I don't care if you're far left, far right, or somewhere in between all of those positions. You know, we hear the, the, all of the stuff of, oh, well, there was voter fraud in the election. I mean, hasn't there been voter fraud in every election since?
[:[00:12:39] Jeff Nesbitt: ever. Thank you. That's, I keep, I I was never fully understanding what people were talking about when, I mean, I got it. The people who were saying Voter fraud. Voter fraud. I get it. You're trying to turn over the election, but first of all, why now, like you said, it's always been around and the people who were saying absolutely not, there was no voter fraud.
[:[00:13:00] Kevin Sealy: voter fraud, especially when they, the same people that will say that there was no voter fraud in this election, but there wasn't the one before that. But there wasn't in the one before that. But there was before that. You never, you never really know where they're gonna go with it.
[:[00:13:28] Jeff Nesbitt: we could, I mean, I, I'm into it.
[:[00:13:36] Jeff Nesbitt: I heard a great one today that Okay.
[:[00:13:42] Kevin Sealy: pour
[:[00:13:53] Kevin Sealy: I'm like, oh, it was, it was my, it was feedback from, it wasn't from you.
[:[00:13:57] Jeff Nesbitt: think your voice was coming through my headphones and being picked up by my mic and then back to you. Okay.
[:[00:14:06] Should I just right into the mic?
[:[00:14:16] Kevin Sealy: that's gonna sound good on the, uh, that's gonna sound really good. I hope you put that part in there. I
[:[00:14:23] check, check, check. Uh, these $24 studio monitors are still my favorite.
[:[00:14:37] Jeff Nesbitt: it's, that's all it needs to do. Cheers. Cheers.
[:[00:14:47] Kevin Sealy: a cool glass. Yeah, I got the other one over here.
[:[00:14:54] Kevin Sealy: you didn't make these, did you? I did not make those. I didn't eat, you know, actually they were both given to me by different people at different times. That's why they're slightly different, but, uh, really? I figured
[:[00:15:07] Kevin Sealy: a set. Nope. No. You can see this one I have slightly larger.
[:[00:15:27] Jeff Nesbitt: as a roofer, uh, we found bullets in roofs like sticking out. Yeah, I two different times over the six months I worked there stick, I have a picture of it, but it like sticking out at probably a mm, 40 degree angle.
[:[00:15:44] Kevin Sealy: Yeah. And it came straight down. Well, the, the funny thing is, is that people have this idea that if you shoot a bullet straight up in the air, that it's going to come down with the same force that came outta the gun. It's not, it's gonna just be terminal velocity.
[:[00:16:01] Jeff Nesbitt: you shoot it straight up now,
[:[00:16:09] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. So that would be the, the force would be the mass times acceleration, right?
[:[00:16:17] Kevin Sealy: Let's just act like we know physics and, uh,
[:[00:16:24] Kevin Sealy: yeah. At one point I was really good at that stuff and I can
[:[00:16:27] I just don't know the words. Yeah. Oh, I'm, I'm right there with you. I'm sure the listeners and all understand, but, um,
[:[00:16:34] Jeff Nesbitt: theory. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll get back to physics later. Oh, I'm sure we will. Um, okay. So really, I thought, I thought it was a shot. I just, well, I mean, you know, I just put it away.
[:[00:16:55] Kevin Sealy: it's, do you drink, do you drink whiskey that way too?
[:[00:17:00] It depends on who's watching me drink it and what they expect me to do. So what's your go-to? Um, I'm not a drinker. Okay. So I just do this to, to make
[:[00:17:26] And if I do go out to a bar, I drink one drink and then I drink. What's your drink of choice? Uh, I drink whiskey most of the time. Straight. Oh, yeah. Neat. Yeah. I, uh, my go-to is Scotch but awry or a Reg A bourbon? Both. Really? I both, that's what I'm talking about. Right? I, I,
[:[00:18:00] Jeff Nesbitt: Honestly, dude, don't even worry about it. I have the same issue and I cut 'em out. Okay. And, um, honestly, if I try to think about it too much, I'll start saying stupid shit that I didn't think about just to cover up the, the, the spaces where I'm like, the words I'm thinking of aren't coming
[:[00:18:15] Oh, you, uh, you should see me when I'm making a fucking reels for, for work. Yeah. I mean, it's, it takes some, it'll take me an hour because I just keep stumbling over my words and I struggle and.
[:[00:18:42] Jeff Nesbitt: How much thought do you put into pacing? Like in your, when you're talking, having a conversation with somebody, are you conscious of like, oh, I'm talking too fast.
[:[00:19:05] So what the hell, why, why would I care if they think about that? And I don't act No, ADHD is probably not a mental illness, but it's a, it's a condition. It's a condition. I, I have a bad Yeah. It's a,
[:[00:19:19] Jeff Nesbitt: I get it. I would like to stop taking the medication cuz it's getting harder to get, um, with, you know, the new world order, trying to collapse economy and everything.
[:[00:19:30] Kevin Sealy: the conspiracy theory you're gonna tell me?
[:[00:19:49] Um, there was this program gate, and I didn't realize that it was a nationwide program, but apparently it was a nationwide program. And so I listened to this podcast today and the guy talking about it said it's, he's never heard anyone else talk about this conspiracy theory. He's an independent researcher and so take that, take it with a grain of salt.
[:[00:20:15] Kevin Sealy: traits with what do you know about MK Ultra? Do you know, have you, have you researched much? As much as
[:[00:20:21] Kevin Sealy: Okay.
[:[00:20:30] Jeff Nesbitt: minutes in. It was 13. 13 when I looked at that thing and we started talking about MP Ultra. That's a synchronicity for sure.
[:[00:20:36] Kevin Sealy: yeah, no, for sure. No, I've definitely, uh, I've definitely done a lot of reading about, uh, MK Ultra. It's interesting shit. So if you know about MK Ultra, are you familiar with Midnight Climax? Oh yeah.
[:[00:20:53] Kevin Sealy: Creepy. Yeah, creepy stuff. Crazy. And then, you know, it, that same era had a lot of other weird, crazy shit.
[:[00:21:06] Kevin Sealy: what about the stuff that involved cats? You ever heard of Acoustic Kitty?
[:[00:21:12] Kevin Sealy: No. What they did was they wired a multiple cats up and they did a surgical implant with a microphone.
[:[00:21:42] Jeff Nesbitt: It definitely would not work in
[:[00:21:51] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh yeah. I actually ha, I think I probably have read that in, in time, but it just seems so much like one of those, uh, shitty live action movies they made in the nineties, like in between cartoons, Disney mm-hmm.
[:[00:22:07] Kevin Sealy: you know, what was the actual, the catalyst that killed MK Ultra?
[:[00:22:16] Kevin Sealy: rebranded. Okay. They, I agree with you there. But, um, the actual program itself, do you know what was the thing that actually caused it to fall apart?
[:[00:22:55] There was, uh, or I guess it'd be the freedom of, freedom of information. Yeah, I'm familiar. They pulled those documents and they were able to find what was left about the, uh, MK Ultra Program. But most of those, most of the things that we see in the world, you know, these big name things, the evidence is gone.
[:[00:23:29] Jeff Nesbitt: some stuff came out about the, the Warden Commission documents and there has been more evidence that the CIA was
[:[00:23:38] Yeah. There's evidence that we can connect them. Yeah. But their collected evidence, it's gone. Oh yeah. No way.
[:[00:23:49] bullet.
[:[00:23:53] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh, DB Cooper's the, my favorite one. Is it because it's local?
[:[00:23:58] And the thing is, is that, I dunno if you watched that documentary that came out a few years ago, but I can tell you that, uh, I wasn't there. But if my money was to say that that flight attendant was involved, I'd be putting a lot of money on it. I
[:[00:24:13] to
[:[00:24:14] They re the whole flight crew and the people that were there that day, it was these very guarded interviews. They wouldn't give stuff up. And it just, it felt very fabricated.
[:[00:24:36] Um, but I think you're more than likely, right. They probably were in, on, you know,
[:[00:24:50] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. Do you think he got away with it and got away with?
[:[00:24:57] Kevin Sealy: And there was a few people that they suspected and, you know, one guy that told his daughter that he was DB Cooper when he was dying. That's right. But honestly, that's right.
[:[00:25:10] Yeah. I'm gonna tell my daughter that just
[:[00:25:20] Jeff Nesbitt: At this point he got away with it. What difference does it make? Doesn't matter if we find out who it was. Yeah. He, there's no longer an is.
[:[00:25:32] Kevin Sealy: Um, well, you know, and then you've got, you know, we could really go even deeper than that and we could talk about, uh, you know, when we're talking about people that are, Fleeing and running away.
[:[00:25:47] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh yeah. That's not a conspiracy theory either. This, that's another one that's like facts. There's a town in our, there's a part of Argentina still that is German. It's like the people there, German, they speak German. It's uh, that's where they went.
[:[00:26:01] Kevin Sealy: Argentina? No. Nah, neither have I. I I've been to a lot of places. Um, I've been to right about 50 countries. Wow. That's awesome. And throughout, uh, mostly in Europe and Latin America. Caribbean been to a lot of different places. But
[:[00:26:24] Kevin Sealy: Um, you know, growing up, my parents were really in, um, interested in travel.
[:[00:27:04] Did that. And then when I was an adult, I just continued to want to go and see places. That makes sense. So I've been to, been to some pretty cool places. The, I will say though, that, you know, I say I've been to about 50 different countries. Those are all the 50 countries that everybody goes to. I'm going on three, you know, to me working on three.
[:[00:27:25] Kevin Sealy: wouldn't go back. But the thing is, those three that you've been to, Or the three that some two. I'm working on my third. Oh, where? Where's the third gonna be? We'll see. So Canada, Mexico, United
[:[00:27:38] No, I've been to Mexico. That's it. In the United States. Okay. Um,
[:[00:27:58] You're not even allowed to go some places. Sure. You're, yeah. There are now try to go to Antarctica. You can go to Antarctica. It's a little very difficult, just a tiny
[:[00:28:09] Kevin Sealy: You know, I've got, I've got a number of friends who live and work down there. Not, obviously, not their residency, but they have been there a number of times.
[:[00:28:24] Jeff Nesbitt: there at some point. Can I show you, speaking of conspiracy theories, I wanna show you something on Google Earth that I cannot make sense of. Okay. And it involves Antarctica.
[:[00:28:46] Kevin Sealy: why?
[:[00:29:14] We're go, let's go to Antarctica and research the snow down there and see if we can create the best snowball fight.
[:[00:29:22] Kevin Sealy: You know, I don't know. It's, it's bullshit. Why do they
[:[00:29:27] Kevin Sealy: Just it's because they, what they don't want is, and when I say they want all the good snowballs, we keep saying they, there's always a they, there's
[:[00:29:35] Yeah. Okay. But no, I know. Show me what you got. That is, I mean, there's justification behind it for sure, but I mostly, I think it's to protect natural resources. But, um, okay.
[:[00:30:02] Oh, I also
[:[00:30:10] Kevin Sealy: you remember that movie, alien Versus
[:[00:30:14] Kevin Sealy: The, uh, that movie started out in Antarctica.
[:[00:30:20] Kevin Sealy: like, I don't remember.
[:[00:30:27] Jeff Nesbitt: you know how water bears, um, the tardigrades? Mm-hmm. You can freeze them for Yeah. They don't really die. No. They're like dust with legs in a, you know, mission in life. Yeah. But the, what if there's little monsters frozen in the permafrost, there's a good
[:[00:30:41] Jeff Nesbitt: there are almost certainly.
[:[00:31:09] And let's say we wanna do China, that's the majority of it. Okay. Close that shape tells you how big it is, tells you what the perimeter is, makes a shape, no problem. And you can do that a polygon anywhere on the planet except for one spot. Because when we do it over here,
[:[00:31:43] It turns into a crescent shape. Mm-hmm. What the fuck is that about?
[:[00:32:11] As with the programming. I don't remember what it is though. You know what, it
[:[00:32:27] Kevin Sealy: Earthers are wonderful people.
[:[00:32:32] Jeff Nesbitt: for trying to fight for what they believe in. Uh, oh God. It's just something, isn't it? Because everybody thinks the earth is round. I mean, I do, even though I see things like this.
[:[00:32:51] Kevin Sealy: Yeah, I have. So, I mean, it's a great experience. So you look out the window and you can pretty clearly see the curve of the earth.
[:[00:33:03] I believe in it. I have faith in it. Well, it's, it, you
[:[00:33:26] That's true. There's, there's such a small amount of fluctuation in the height of the mountains to the deepest point of the ocean. It's really not that far. And so when you're in a plane, such a small thing compared to the size of the planet, and you're not flying all that high.
[:[00:33:47] Correct.
[:[00:33:49] Jeff Nesbitt: perceptively flat surface according to the argument you're making. But then how are you saying you see the curve
[:[00:33:59] Jeff Nesbitt: horizon and there's limits to our visual systems. But honestly, I do think that some of it is just a sloppy math That like people do these, the tests of like, look, I can see across that lake to that city that's 50 miles away, even though I'm expected eight inches of drop for every mile. That makes no sense. I, I honestly have no idea. There are things about that that I'm just like, well that is a damn good point.
[:[00:34:34] Kevin Sealy: I'm gonna go ahead and just say that, you know, I like to let people have their own opinions and believe on things. Yeah. But I'm gonna go ahead and say, right now the earth is not fucking flat.
[:[00:34:44] Jeff Nesbitt: in the moon landing? Do you think I landed on the moon? I do. Why are they so terrible at their photography? Why, why are the pictures so bad? Like, the Photoshop on the pictures is really sloppy, there's videos where professional photo touchers go through and like you can see very clearly where things have been.
[:[00:35:13] Kevin Sealy: That's not possible. I think a lot of that has to do with we are comparing film photography to digital photography.
[:[00:35:41] Jeff Nesbitt: honestly on that also, how did they get that film in, turned into a live feed that was broadcasted the whole nation during the moon landing?
[:[00:35:57] Kevin Sealy: because I'm sure it was some sort of radio
[:[00:36:11] If it was faked, I think that was a good move on, on their part. It was the Cold War, you know. Now
[:[00:36:26] Jeff Nesbitt: do it. I don't doubt that.
[:[00:36:29] Kevin Sealy: job now, today it would be, it would be easy. I
[:[00:36:37] Kevin Sealy: ai we could, we could fake a landing on fucking Saturn.
[:[00:36:50] The fact that like a lot of the, the so-called debunking could be faked itself. Mm-hmm. Like cuz people are ideologically motivated for Oh, absolutely. One way or the other. I'm genuinely not. I like, I like just trying to, uh, investigate and look for reasons to doubt. That's all. I think it's fun. I'm with you There Don't believe so many reasons to doubt that one, so many The motivation was so strong to fake it.
[:[00:37:22] Kevin Sealy: Uh, a friend of mine, he, uh, I'm sure he is gonna listen to this. So Tom, because I know you're listening to this, you should bring this dude on the show because he is another conspiracy theory lover. He does not subscribe to all of them, but anyone who does as an idiot.
[:[00:38:02] Jeff Nesbitt: actually waiting to get into that.
[:[00:38:08] Kevin Sealy: We could keep talking about this for hours if you want, because I'll just keep going.
[:[00:38:19] Kevin Sealy: time.
[:[00:38:55] And, you know, initially I, I knew I wanted to be a fabricator from a pretty young age, and I talked about it. I always said, you know, this is what I want to do. I wanted, back then it was, oh, I want to be a welder. I didn't really understand the difference between being a welder and being a fabricator, because there's a significant difference there, which is, well, it's like, you know,
[:[00:39:23] Jeff Nesbitt: time. Um, I, I'm, I'm not even sure, I know I was saying it for the audience, but now that, now that I think about it, I'm not sure I know. I would say, is it that a fabricator's more artistic?
[:[00:39:43] Um,
[:[00:39:50] Kevin Sealy: well, no, it's, it's, I'm trying to think of a really easy term to break this down with, and it's like saying, A, uh, okay, here's a good example. Here's a good example. A mechanic versus a lube tech. Okay? So somebody who's a lube tech is somebody who, their job is to change the oil in cars, but they're never going to rebuild a transmission.
[:[00:40:41] You're creating something out of metal and welding is a tool that you use. Okay.
[:[00:40:49] Kevin Sealy: not a black, I'm not a blacksmith. Yeah, yeah. Now I've done some blacksmithing just out of personal interest. Mm-hmm. But it was never my job. I started in that when, well, I knew that's what the kind of the career path I wanted to do, even at a pretty young age.
[:[00:41:27] I started into fabrication program with the welding program at the college here. Did that, got a job with Columbia Steel and Tim and Debbie Hill. Do you know, do you know Tim and Debbie? No. They, uh, they've been around forever and they owned j and h Boatworks and Columbia Steel. I worked for them for about 10 years, and then W c t bought the company.
[:[00:42:01] Jeff Nesbitt: Okay. You, I wonder, you probably probably worked on some of the, uh, wildlife airboats. Oh, with, for Ed? Yeah. Yeah. Ed works for me still or works with me, whatever.
[:[00:42:19] Kevin Sealy: I've on many of the boats. I actually was one of the people that initially, when do you remember? This would've been probably like 20 13, 20 14 when one of your guys' airboats flipped over and it got all Torah.
[:[00:42:49] Jeff Nesbitt: that boat was, they, they ran it. They, I'm pretty sure they, they found somebody to fix it. I don't even know what was, was the cage smashed?
[:[00:43:14] Jeff Nesbitt: wrong about that, but I'm pretty sure it's still around.
[:[00:43:25] Kevin Sealy: So I did that. So worked with them. W C t bought the company and I stayed there for another few years and I did a little bit of everything, uh, with j and h and Columbia Steel.
[:[00:43:58] It was just two older guys that were nearing retirement age. I was a 21 year old kid that came in there and was super interested in to learn. They were interested in teaching me kind of a once in a lifetime opportunity. And I had a real knack for it. I, I really enjoyed it. I was good at it, stuck with it for a long time.
[:[00:44:48] And he and I, I'll tell you that Willie and Remy and I, the three of us, we went through a lot together over there, especially through Covid. It was a real tough time, but it was a time that I learned a lot and had I not had all the experiences through those two companies would be very difficult for me to do what I'm doing today because I wouldn't understand a lot of the, especially the financial side of it.
[:[00:45:39] And obviously Ricky's there with me every step of the way. She and I do. You know, we do everything together and. The,
[:[00:46:03] where was I going with that? Uh, oh. Anyway, so we, we do a lot of stuff here with the, with the new space. We've got it all set up. And so what's your business, first of all? So I own a company called Safe Pace Defense. I'm a firearms instructor. I got into that mostly through personal interest. I knew that I was ready to get out of the construction world.
[:[00:46:49] That's really my interest in that. And I own a really cool thermal imaging drone. I do a lot of scans of commercial buildings. I've worked with Safeway, Walgreens, uh, Walmart, Fred Meyer companies, like for thermal leaks. Yeah. Because if a company like that has a huge building, let's use, you know, let's use the Safeway for an example.
[:[00:47:39] I'm talking about the people listening to this show. When you are flying a drone, You are absolutely brutalized by the people. They are. It doesn't matter who you're working for. I was working a job for the US Postal Service scanning one of their buildings down. It was down in Cannon Beach. And the amount of threats that you get, like actual physical threats is unbelievable.
[:[00:48:15] Jeff Nesbitt: I totally, I'm sorry, I'm, I'm not smirking because I, I think it's funny, I'm smirking because I didn't really think about that very much. I'm, I have a class scheduled in two weeks where I'm gonna go stay in Olympia for three days and take a three day class and then get tested to get my drone, uh, certificate.
[:[00:48:35] Kevin Sealy: And, um, can I ask why you're doing a pro, why you're doing an in-person, why, how come you chose to not
[:[00:48:50] Like, I'm, I'm, right now I'm just studying the booklet and then I'll go to the class and that will be like a cram review and I'll, you know, do the test and hopefully do well.
[:[00:49:06] Those are gonna be hardest ones. The second hardest is going to be interpreting the airspace when you, there's a lot of weird things that come into play when flying a drone, especially in controlled airspace. And those are gonna be your most difficult questions. But really the test isn't all
[:[00:49:26] That's pretty much what I had gathered is just that, like the airspace stuff, knowing how many feet be before you have to have 400 feet. Yeah. I'm not even gonna be operating over 400 feet. Everything I need to do is below 400 feet. So I'm using it for it because I'm the government. I have to have it to do any drone work.
[:[00:49:43] Kevin Sealy: to, to do anything commercial if there's any money being changing hands there. So when you see these people, this is another thing as to why it's a tough industry, is people always ask, oh, do you work with realtors? No, I don't work with realtors. Two reasons. One, they don't pay very well.
[:[00:50:22] Well, for me, I have insurance to pay for. I have thousands of dollars in equipment to pay for, and I'm a business. And at $50 a flight, it's not worth my time. I'm not, it's not even worth my time to get in the car at that point. No. And so these people that don't have a license that are flying mostly for realty groups illegally, illegally, completely devalue the industry.
[:[00:51:10] If I just book direct with a customer, that's probably a six or $700 flight. But getting in with some of these groups that have a contract with these job, with these job groups, you're just never gonna break it. So you just have to be able to find your way into that avenue.
[:[00:51:31] Oh, absolutely. To make it worth
[:[00:51:51] I had a pretty cool opportunity a while back to fly something in the firearms industry and that's kind of my indu in that is my interest anyway, as since you know that I, you know, I own a firearms business. I pretty interested in that. It's personal interest. I'd really like to kind of stick with that side of things and
[:[00:52:16] Was that a gun on a gun
[:[00:52:33] Are you familiar with Shot Show? I imagine it's a gun convention. It is the largest firearms trade show in the world. Is it in Vegas? It is in Vegas. Ah. And it's fucking huge. And it's so big that if you were there from the moment they open to the moment they close, every day they're open, which is four or five days.
[:[00:52:57] Jeff Nesbitt: Wow. That's very interesting that you, did you do that math? Yeah,
[:[00:53:05] Jeff Nesbitt: Um, yeah. That's pretty interesting. Well, that's about the perfect amount of time to spend at a booth, in my opinion.
[:[00:53:18] Kevin Sealy: conference. As, as somebody who's not been there, it's hard to explain how big these booths are.
[:[00:53:28] Kevin Sealy: No, they're, they don't have any booths that small. Mm-hmm. There are booths that are as big as the Garlic Festival.
[:[00:53:36] Kevin Sealy: Damn. It's inside the, um, the Sans Expo Center. Okay. It's millions of square feet. Wow. That sounds like a blast. It is. It's an industry event, so it is, it's close to the public.
[:[00:53:54] Jeff Nesbitt: and Oh, that's probably really nice, um, to not have a bunch of, uh, no offense to anybody, but a bunch of ran gun nuts.
[:[00:54:14] She went with, uh, her ex-husband in a previous life and in somewhere in Florida. And I, I've been to a lot of gun shows. I mean, I'm gonna be working at one tomorrow, and the people that are at those events are very different. The people that are at Chacho are professionals. These are people that are there from all over the world to make deals, to stock their storage, to buy equipment, to advertise.
[:[00:55:03] And that's pretty cool. There's all sorts of weird random trade show giveaways that, you know, you end up walking out with all sorts of weird, free souvenirs.
[:[00:55:14] Kevin Sealy: of the art It is. And it's someplace that you can make connections within the industry and you can see things that otherwise we won't see for maybe even a couple of years.
[:[00:55:32] Jeff Nesbitt: maybe some stuff that you can't sell now in Washington after these new gun laws. Have you seen this? It's horseshit. I wonder if it'll be overturned. I hope so. NRA has already filed a lawsuit. I hope so about it. I do too.
[:[00:55:45] Kevin Sealy: are you a gun person? May ask you. I
[:[00:56:04] But at the same time, um,
[:[00:56:26] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. I, I kind of feel the same way I feel about everything and, and that education is the key to safety.
[:[00:56:40] Kevin Sealy: That's a perfect segue into what I'm doing now. So I own a business called Safe Pace Defense, and I'm in Gearhart. That is strictly what I do is education.
[:[00:57:15] Because the problem with that is if you don't know what you're doing, you're not gonna really get a lot better until you know what you're doing. Great example that I like to compare this to is golf and, or I don't know, do you have a, what kind of hobbies do you have? I went to
[:[00:57:36] So you're not a golfer? Not per, per se.
[:[00:57:40] Jeff Nesbitt: It's a lot of fun. It is, but I don't know. I've never had, I've had one lesson, uh, and it didn't take,
[:[00:57:48] Jeff Nesbitt: peninsula? No, no. Just I, I take my daughter to top golf. Um, okay. Because we go up to tired for her eye specialist, and I want it to be a fun memory, not a horrible memory.
[:[00:58:00] Kevin Sealy: you the, the golf cars, the golf course up in Ocean Park, or I guess that Surfside Surfside. Yeah. God, that's a great course.
[:[00:58:14] Kevin Sealy: weed.
[:[00:58:24] Jeff Nesbitt: It's my gift and my curse. Yeah. Yeah. But it is a fun course. That's where I have my one lesson. Shout out Blake, co. Friend of the show.
[:[00:58:31] Kevin Sealy: uh, that course is great. Yes. Cool. I've had a lot of fun golfing there. Seaside. Another great course. A lot of people don't like the smaller public nine hole courses. Mm-hmm. I love 'em because they're usually less expensive to play. There's less people there. And if I decide, you know what, that ball didn't really go as, as expected.
[:[00:59:01] Jeff Nesbitt: golf. It's, uh, yeah. I've never really tried to take it seriously, and I don't, I think it may be, uh, enough to just gimme a heart attack because it's, I'm, I'm good enough to where I sometimes think I'm going to do well.
[:[00:59:15] Kevin Sealy: I never got, you know, I was, I was down in St. George, Utah with Ricky and she was in a class and I went golfing at a, here, pull
[:[00:59:26] Kevin Sealy: I, uh, you're good. All right. So I was in St. George with Ricky and she was there for a class. I went golfing at a really, really cool course down there, really high end 18 hole course.
[:[01:00:02] Okay. Their rental clubs, nice rentals. Oh, their, their rental clubs get changed out every year for the best stuff. I go in there, I'm in the pro shop, he says, do you need anything else? I says, yeah, I need a box of balls. And he goes, do you want a box or a sleeve? And I said, I'm playing 18 holes. You better gimme the whole box.
[:[01:00:41] And they're like, yeah, best thing to do is lay it up by the tree. That's the only flat spot. And I'm thinking, what the hell are you talking about? I am smashing that ball and hoping for the fucking best. Yeah,
[:[01:00:51] Kevin Sealy: straight over the top. So I yard out a three wood and they're like, that's kind of a lot of club.
[:[01:01:17] 18 holes in a row.
[:[01:01:21] Kevin Sealy: lot of luck. I still shot over a hundred so
[:[01:01:26] Kevin Sealy: high. Okay. Yeah. Good golfers don't ever good golfers don't go over a hundred. Good golfers don't even go. You want lowest number possible.
[:[01:01:39] Jeff Nesbitt: day. Oh cause that's how many strokes? Over 18 holes. I gotcha. Yeah, I gotcha. Yeah, that sounds like fun. I see. I think that you could get really hooked on golf.
[:[01:01:56] And that skill is moving a small projectile using a tool that is held in your hand using I eye hand coordination, going a long distance to a very small target. Am I talking about shooting? Am I talking about golf? Because at the end of the day, it's the same thing. Every little bit of your grip, your stance, your swing, everything that you do affects the outcome of the trajectory of that projectile.
[:[01:02:31] Jeff Nesbitt: down to like your
[:[01:02:52] And this is especially true with people that carry concealed. They have this idea that they're just going to rise to the occasion if they're ever in a defensive situation, when in actuality they're gonna fall to their highest level of training. And if that's zero, they're gonna freeze up.
[:[01:03:14] Kevin Sealy: It's, that's not a hundred percent accurate. And I'll tell you why. Because it's most people that carry a gun concealed. Most people that carry a gun have little to no training. Most people, the only tr formal training they've had is their concealed carry class that really doesn't share a whole lot. And they've gone out and shot, you know, they shoot in the woods, they blast piles of garbage.
[:[01:04:06] Like I say, I originally planned on a live fire range, decided to go a different route with it. So what I did, so what
[:[01:04:13] Kevin Sealy: So I have a, my program is you, I have the whole classroom set up. People come in, take classes. I do the concealed handgun classes. I do family classes, I stuff where people can get just verbal education.
[:[01:04:53] And the thing that we absolutely can't set up outside of maybe doing something with simulations is we can't do scenarios. I can't say, Hey, let's go and practice thing. You know, you and I go out to the range and I say, okay, I've got a target here. I want you to pretend that he's saying this to you. I want you to deescalate only shoot him if he points a gun at you.
[:[01:05:28] Jeff Nesbitt: Cool. So how's the simulator work physically? Is that a big screen or is it like a room? Yep.
[:[01:05:40] The lights are dimmed. They've got, I mean, I, I will say that I did add some of the, the fancy RGB touches to it, kind of like you've gotten here and, and I'll show you a picture of it too. I bet that's cool. It is cool. I bet that's really cool. It's so cool. Nobody who's come in and used it has been like, well, that was lame.
[:[01:06:32] But if you were to say, Hey, you know, I want to try this with my own gun. Bring your own gun in. Don't bring ammo in. I don't allow live ammo in the facility, but bring your own gun in and I've got laser diodes that'll fit inside your gun for just about every caliber. Now you carry something weird, you know, I'm not gonna have it.
[:[01:07:16] Yep, exactly. You know, I you're of the right age that I should have just said a frozen paintball.
[:[01:07:24] Kevin Sealy: No, you know, I used to play paintball all the time. It's so
[:[01:07:32] Usually. Now how old are you? Uh, I'm 34. Okay. So how old are you? 34. Okay. Yeah. So right in the heat of things, um, we Right. Yeah. Thirty four eighty eight. Born in 88. Born in 88. Yeah. And, um, yeah, so we were shooting each other with our BB guns and having like full on battles. My friends were coming over and we were like doing this all in secret.
[:[01:08:14] And so we had to tell his mom and the hospital called the cops and they came to our houses and it was, it was a whole thing. So we switched to paintball immediately after that. And then all my friends bought paintball guns and it was like the thing to do for the next two years, probably telling my paintball gun in the
[:[01:08:30] Yeah. We, uh, we used to play paintball right across the street from my parent where I grew up, and there was glided area over there. And I'd go over there with my friends pretty much every day after school. And we'd shoot each other with paintball guns and, you know, we, uh, we had a lot of fun with paintball guns and then, but I, you can injure yourself with them pretty easily.
[:[01:09:03] Jeff Nesbitt: And they were lame. Yeah. They were
[:[01:09:08] Jeff Nesbitt: they're better than paintball guns now.
[:[01:09:16] Kevin Sealy: coming out. Yeah. It's
[:[01:09:19] Kevin Sealy: Yeah. So the guns that I use in the simulator are actually manufactured by the same company that manufactures Airsoft guns.
[:[01:09:34] Jeff Nesbitt: And they don't add the egg smell. Uhuh. I didn't know
[:[01:09:42] I've
[:[01:09:44] I didn't know what that's, it's an alternative to co2. Okay. So you're not getting those little, I, I remember in when we were doing paintballs, we were still using the little silver canisters. Yep. You twist 'em in there. Yep.
[:[01:09:59] Yeah. You didn't actually have to rack the slide every single time. Yeah.
[:[01:10:09] Kevin Sealy: but ones Yeah. They were the, they were the black and silver Walter P 99 that all of us
[:[01:10:23] Should we have another drink? Yeah, that sounds
[:[01:10:29] Jeff Nesbitt: actually ice in that white thing if you want. I have ice.
[:[01:10:37] Jeff Nesbitt: Um, yeah, we used to do duals
[:[01:10:42] You wanna hear a funny story? Yeah. Okay. So this is actually going to, um, this is actually gonna involve my buddy Tom, who we talked about earlier. When we were in Highschool, we were in Spanish. We had another buddy who was with us in, we were in the Spanish class together, and
[:[01:11:27] And it's really unfortunate because we don't have the video anymore. It was confiscated by the school and we never got it back. Odds are one of the teachers or faculty still has it because they're like, we're not going to, we're not getting rid of this. What was on it? Well, it was basically we recreated jackass, but spoke in Spanish doing all manner of fucked up stuff.
[:[01:11:55] Jeff Nesbitt: we like the same pranks that they were doing on the show or the movie.
[:[01:12:28] And we just kind of represented each one in some, some manner except for, um, we did do a cartel execution and we heading No, uh, Tom sat in a chair and with a, um, he had a, we actually put a, a motocross chest plate on him, but then we put on like one of the ponchos uhhuh and a sombrero. Oh, that's perfect.
[:[01:13:05] Jeff Nesbitt: again? Highschool? Ninth, 10th grade. 10th grade.
[:[01:13:15] We were trying to drink a gallon of milk. What do you think? Yeah. Um, we did another one, I can't remember what we called it, but we, uh, towed. We were towing each other down the beach behind a car with a sled. Um, Yeah, it was just stuff like that. I mean, oh, we, the other really good one that we did is we had this gorilla costume and one, one of the guys dressed, Tom dressed up in the gorilla costume, and our other friend, he dressed up like in a safari outfit and had a toy gun.
[:[01:13:58] Jeff Nesbitt: like in the public. So people were like,
[:[01:14:01] Yeah. Okay. Okay. And like we did all sorts of stuff like this and the vi everyone in class thought it was great. Oh, I bet it was the talk of the school like shortly thereafter it, and we, uh, didn't get good grades on that.
[:[01:14:32] And, um, it was like right when I think Star Wars episode one had just come out, no, that was actually 1999. It would've been two years after that. So it was one of the next ones. But
[:[01:14:48] Jeff Nesbitt: You like the Phantom Menace?
[:[01:14:51] Kevin Sealy: I finally, you know why you think it's great? I'll tell you why. It's because you were in the fifth grade when that movie came out. Yeah. It's the same reason that people that are a generation ahead of us think that the original series are the best thing ever.
[:[01:15:08] Kevin Sealy: Oh, it's because they were kids when that came out. And Yeah, you're totally right. Coming
[:[01:15:13] Kevin Sealy: time. Oh yeah. Because I'll tell you what, when I was in the fifth grade watching. Pod racing. Oh my God. Oh my
[:[01:15:26] Kevin Sealy: And I loved the original trilogy.
[:[01:15:28] Jeff Nesbitt: were fine. I didn't, I didn't hate 'em. I didn't, uh, it wasn't something that blew me away. Like it did some of the Star Wars kids, like, you know how there was the Star Wars kids with, they wore the shirt. They like, didn't care if they had friends or not because they had their action figures and I wasn't one of those kids.
[:[01:15:59] Kevin Sealy: When I was in Cub Scouts, my Pinewood Derby car had Star Wars characters on it multiple times.
[:[01:16:06] Jeff Nesbitt: uh, Cub Scout kid? Oh yeah, I was an Eagle Scout. Oh, nice, nice. Um, I joined just for the Pinewood Derby so I could whoop some Cub Scout ass. And then I quit. Unfortunately, Pinewood Derby was cool. I loved it. I was like undefeated. I loved that shit. I got, I got, I POed every Pinewood derby I ever did.
[:[01:16:31] Kevin Sealy: Yeah, we, so my mom was really, was really involved with the, uh, um, with the whole scouting program district wide. And it's actually one of the reasons, you know, I keep bringing up my buddy Tom, is why, how he and I came to be such close friends is that his dad was equally involved in the program.
[:[01:17:08] Jeff Nesbitt: I wonder if they're still doing that.
[:[01:17:16] Kevin Sealy: Yeah, it's, well now it is. It's a co-ed program. Oh. And they still call it Boy Scouts. I feel like they should just call it scouting.
[:[01:17:26] Kevin Sealy: Scouts? Mm-hmm. I just bought some Girl Scout cookies at the store a couple days ago.
[:[01:17:29] Jeff Nesbitt: they need to just go independent with that shit and just make it do an I P O. Um, you, I'll buy some
[:[01:17:58] They do. And they look like humanitarians because the kids are the ones doing it. So there are working for free. There are some conspiracy theories around that actually, that
[:[01:18:15] Oh yeah. That's not a conspiracy theory, that's just the truth. They don't pay them and they work for free. Yep. Um, that's, that's not to say that it's right or wrong. It, I personally think it seems wrong, but, um, I'm not playing in the ncaa, so who gives a shit what I think about it? Dad's. Damn right. Yeah.
[:[01:18:37] Kevin Sealy: Yeah. Oh yeah. What's your favorite Girl Scout cookie? Ooh, don't make me cheat. You know what, I'm gonna tell you that there's, there's one that if you say it, I might just take these headphones off and get up and
[:[01:18:48] Well, don't worry. It's, I'm not gonna say tag alongs. Fuck you. I'm not a fucking
[:[01:18:55] Jeff Nesbitt: pick a random one cause they're all so good. Um, I really honestly love them all. But, um, if you're not a coconut guy, are you a coconut guy? I do like the samos,
[:[01:19:04] Okay. I'll tell you the one I hate is the thin mins. What's wrong with you? You know, I absolutely despise chocolate mint.
[:[01:19:15] Kevin Sealy: you know what's funny is that, um, my, you ever go Sunday market? Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know the fudge booth there? They have the, all the fudge and the gold bars.
[:[01:19:24] Jeff Nesbitt: So, so you're not coming out of this without experience. You know what you're talking about. You've had probably the best chocolate mints fudge. That's where you, that's you go Sister c
[:[01:19:36] Jeff Nesbitt: well, I mean, thin mints. That's, that's a derivative form of chocolate mint.
[:[01:19:39] Kevin Sealy: I, I, I absolutely despise chocolate mint and,
[:[01:19:44] Kevin Sealy: the fudge, my parents over the years have made many variations of chocolate mint. Mm-hmm. And I've hated every one of them because
[:[01:19:53] opinion.
[:[01:20:00] They've had that business for 30 plus years. That's, and that's cool. The, uh, um,
[:[01:20:10] Kevin Sealy: Yeah. There a few
[:[01:20:14] Kevin Sealy: Oh, tons. Tons, tons. Yeah. At one point they were doing 300 pounds a day.
[:[01:20:20] they
[:[01:20:21] Kevin Sealy: boxes, shipping it, going to stores, going to, going to customers, going to events. That's so
[:[01:20:30] Kevin Sealy: Yep. That's cool. Now I will say that like, I have done a lot of working for them throughout my life. And up until a few years ago, I mean, I was, during summertime, I worked seven days a week.
[:[01:21:09] Yeah. And to this day, I still eat it. Fudge is good. I should have brought you some.
[:[01:21:20] Kevin Sealy: What's your, what kind of flavors would you, so I'll tell you this, they make the flavor, whatever flavor you say that is gonna be the one that you like. Mm-hmm.
[:[01:21:30] Jeff Nesbitt: I mean, I always tend to buy the same flavor profiles for myself, but I don't even know if I would say those are my favorites because I am a guy who just likes to try new shit. I will always take new over my favorites when it's for an experience, especially if it's with other people.
[:[01:21:48] Kevin Sealy: so, I would imagine, are you a pretty adventurous eater? Yeah.
[:[01:21:57] Kevin Sealy: I go into a restaurant and I see that something is like kind of their house specialty, I'm trying it, I don't give a fuck what else is on the menu.
[:[01:22:12] Jeff Nesbitt: Well let's say though that it turns out to be dog shit. How do you handle actual, like literal dog shit? Well, no. Cause if they're serving dog shit, they must have come up with a way to make it
[:[01:22:28] I would
[:[01:22:46] Cuz I can't do it. Okay.
[:[01:23:07] Yeah. They should
[:[01:23:10] Kevin Sealy: I'm good about filling out comment cards. Yeah, me too.
[:[01:23:14] Kevin Sealy: my phone. If I have to do like, like a Yelp review, the likelihood of me giving a place a one star review is so low. Yeah. Because if I go in there and the food sucks, but the server was nice, it was clean.
[:[01:23:44] You're paying for
[:[01:23:46] Kevin Sealy: Yeah. And I will tell somebody, if they come over and say, Hey, how's your food? I, especially if it's a steak, if they come over and I, and there's, I'll tell you what, if you wanna piss me off is to, is to fuck up a
[:[01:24:06] So you get your steak, it's overcooked, it's dry as can be. It tastes like shoe leather. It's going back. He comes, he comes over. Okay. So you send it back, you eat that. Disgusting spit steak that they picked up off the floor and sent back to you. You eat that.
[:[01:24:23] Don't even think about it, huh? Depends on the restaurant. And here's the thing. When it comes down to spit steak, how many people do you know that have died? How many people do you know that have died from eating at a restaurant somewhere?
[:[01:24:46] And it, I chose to never do that again. I'll, I'll never use that again. Just because it won't kill you to eat somebody's cu in a fruit and yogurt parfait doesn't mean you should do it. Well, think
[:[01:25:18] Have you ever worked in a restaurant?
[:[01:25:22] Kevin Sealy: it. So I have, I've worked in a number of restaurants throughout my younger years.
[:[01:25:36] I'm not giving that, I'm not giving them that satisfaction. What I mean by that is they ruin my first steak.
[:[01:25:55] Jeff Nesbitt: I don't think it's high.
[:[01:25:58] Kevin Sealy: But you know what happens though? I think a lot is you'll send the food back and they'll be like, okay, whatever. We'll make 'em a new one. And then they sit there and they glare at you through the window. Not because they're waiting to watch you eat their spit filled food.
[:[01:26:19] Jeff Nesbitt: also don't like.
[:[01:26:41] You were in roofing. If the roof leaks, they're going, we're going back. You're
[:[01:26:46] Kevin Sealy: not gonna pay. And you know what? It's not gonna pay. And what are you gonna do? Go somewhere else and drill a hole in the roof? No, no.
[:[01:26:55] Kevin Sealy: No, you're gonna be nice.
[:[01:27:01] Jeff Nesbitt: Well, I think it's because there's some creative element to it. So I think that, at least from the consumer's perspective, I assume if I'm paying for this meal, it's because I, I, I want to believe it's because I'm paying for something I think is good and it's the best effort of the chef.
[:[01:27:27] Kevin Sealy: it. Okay, I'm not sending a burrito back at a Mexican restaurant. What if it's shitty? If it's, I'm still gonna eat it, I'm just gonna eat it.
[:[01:28:02] Mm-hmm. And I'm, I'd like it nearly raw.
[:[01:28:09] Kevin Sealy: tearing out the flesh. No, the thing is, is that it's a properly cooked rare steak is, there's a difference between a raw steak and a properly cooked rare steak. It's rested there.
[:[01:28:42] He, he and my mom were on vacation. They took this class on state cooking and uh, God only knows where. And after that, for a very extended period of time, almost weekly, my dad would go out and he would buy the whole loin. He'd make filets and you'd go over to their house and he'd, he would try cooking rares, medium rares mediums.
[:[01:29:30] And so my dad got really good at cooking, especially filets. And I've gotten pretty good at it too. I'm not as good at cooking a filet as my dad is, but I'm really good at doing ribeyes. Is that your favorite Cut? Prime rib
[:[01:29:51] Kevin Sealy: Similar. Similar. It's similar, yeah. But like an actual primary ab roast.
[:[01:30:04] Jeff Nesbitt: horseradish mashed potatoes. I love horseradish. Me too. Me
[:[01:30:09] Jeff Nesbitt: It's, it's one of my favorite flavors. Oh
[:[01:30:11] And do you like, so you probably like Chinese mustard too then?
[:[01:30:17] Kevin Sealy: horseradish. Well, yeah. I was gonna say wasabi. There is a, now you can actually get real wasabi for like
[:[01:30:26] Kevin Sealy: Did you know that there's, there is a place in the United States that actually produces real wasabi and it's actually in Oregon.
[:[01:30:37] Oh,
[:[01:30:40] Jeff Nesbitt: though. I bet you I've seen it. People like grind it fresh on, it tastes internet. It tastes different.
[:[01:30:50] Yeah. Now, do you like sushi? Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[:[01:31:04] Kevin Sealy: I sushi's up there in my, in my top favorites.
[:[01:31:20] Jeff Nesbitt: on Thursdays and Fridays. Huh. You
[:[01:31:32] Oh, I get that for sure. When I was a kid, I remember adults telling my parents Oh yeah. On, you know, Friday night, the, uh, the kids stayed at such and such house and we went out to Bowie nine and had prime rib. And I remember thinking, what the hell is this? You know, I had not had prime rib as a young kid. I had not, I had not experienced it yet, but I knew that it was something that adults were interested in and it was something adults liked to do and usually late at
[:[01:32:09] Kevin Sealy: or it was something that kids just weren't invited to.
[:[01:32:34] And I was like, what? This is what they're go, this is, this is why. And I remember that. And you know, here's the thing. You go out to a restaurant, I'm 10 years old, I'm not ordering prime rib at 10 years old. It's just, and besides, we're probably not going out to a place that even serves it because the only time that you can get it is Friday and Saturday.
[:[01:33:22] Yeah.
[:[01:33:26] Kevin Sealy: dish. And then once I was more of an adult and I could afford it, I, if we had the opportunity to go out for Prime rib, I was like, well, that's what I want to go do. But I'll tell you what, after Easter. They had some incredible deals on Prime rib Fred Meyer.
[:[01:33:53] Jeff Nesbitt: Geez. That's awesome. Yeah, that's, I mean, that's a small prime rib, but that's, that's like Chuck roast prices. There were,
[:[01:34:00] Kevin Sealy: Yeah, because it was already on the sale because Easter was over. Yeah. And then they had one of their digital coupons that made it even cheaper.
[:[01:34:12] Jeff Nesbitt: not to. Yeah. Yeah. I got the, uh, nostalgia factor with the prime rib. Also, my dad, I remember my dad always talking about it when him and my mom would go out for dates. That was the thing. Go for Prime rib. Pretty much. Exactly the same story you told, and it took place in the exact same time period.
[:[01:34:47] It's not, it's not involving you. Especially back when we were kids when they just told you, shut the fuck up. You're not involved. They didn't like answer all your questions like parents do now. Um,
[:[01:35:07] Jeff Nesbitt: now.
[:[01:35:24] Uh, but if you wanna be mad all the time and just make your kids think they're shit, that's fine too. Um, but anyway, the, uh, my point being my parents talked about it all day. They're going out on a date tonight. It's date night. They had the prime rib night babysitter planned. Oh yeah. Prime rib is happening.
[:[01:36:00] We're going out for a prime rib. And um, the fight with my parents had progressed to a level to where my dad wanted to make sure that he still got to go out and have prime rib. And, um, I don't know if my mom decided she wasn't going or if he decided she wasn't going. We loaded up in the van and we went out to Stephanie's cabin.
[:[01:36:31] Kevin Sealy: that night. Didn't,
[:[01:36:35] Kevin Sealy: fuck yeah. The first time you eat prime rib. The, it's, it is a moment where you, it's a transitioning point in your life.
[:[01:36:45] Jeff Nesbitt: it was the first steak I ever had where I was like, there's nothing I need, need to like secretly slip to the dog here. I can eat the fat, I can eat every bit of this. It's all soft and
[:[01:37:00] My friend Chad, who is Tom. And Chad and I we're the, we are the fucking three amigos. I mean, we are super tight, Chad, same age as us, and. He's probably not gonna actually listen to the show, but if he does, I hope this is going to be the point that he needs to listen to. Because I'm gonna tell you right now, this is the craziest shit you've ever heard.
[:[01:37:42] Jeff Nesbitt: thing. Well, can I ask a few narrowing down questions?
[:[01:37:46] Kevin Sealy: do with prime rib? No, it has to do with
[:[01:37:51] Is it because he once heard someone use the expression beef curtains to talk about a droopy vagina, and he was disgusted by it
[:[01:38:06] He No, but, but let's cut that part out. Okay. Because this guy is like actually a professional. Okay. Okay. But cutting back in. No. The reason why he doesn't eat beef is because when we would've been, what about probably about 10 at this point. Remember Mad Cow? Oh yeah. Mad cow. Never made it to the United States.
[:[01:38:42] Jeff Nesbitt: Well, that is a bit of an overreaction
[:[01:38:59] Yeah. And we give him shit about it. But we're talking about a person that holds. Strong to their convictions that I've, I've never met anybody in my life that will say, this is what I'm doing and never give it up. Yeah. Ever. And it's why he's as successful as he is because he
[:[01:39:28] He, oh God, he doesn't have krutz filled yaks disease. Listen, listen. He doesn't have mass wasting disease cuz he is a safe person. You know
[:[01:39:48] It was fucking worth
[:[01:39:54] Kevin Sealy: yeah, he, uh, um, he, and he doesn't drink. Does, he's never drank alcohol, doesn't do drugs. I mean, I mean he's very successful. We're talking a very successful individual. He is a high level executive for a, um, kind of a, for a robotics company working with some of the largest corporations in the world.
[:[01:40:41] And I'm actually tomorrow, I'm, I told you I was gonna be doing a gun show. I'm actually staying at Chad's house tomorrow night. Oh yeah. And, uh, he's, he lives down in Albany and, but uh, he's from here and we all grew up together and. It's super tight, but um, but let's back up. Actually, I was gonna say, let's kind of back up too when we were talking about, uh, gun stuff.
[:[01:41:07] with my business, I have a lot of people come in and I don't even remember how we, we started talking at what's, see. Oh, drones. We were talking about drones. We were talking about drones. No, we talked about, I want, we talked about, oh, you were
[:[01:41:23] Kevin Sealy: Star Wars.
[:[01:41:48] So I have a lot of cool things that I can do in that when people come in, the way the program works is you can book a, you can book time with me, or you can book an open enrollment course and you don't, you don't mind if I do a little light? No, please do.
[:[01:42:08] Kevin Sealy: Let me, uh, let me just go ahead and gimme just a second here. Yeah. Give a,
[:[01:42:17] Kevin Sealy: zone. Yeah.
[:[01:42:22] Kevin Sealy: one. I literally have SOS
[:[01:42:28] Kevin Sealy: No, it's all right. I can, we'll just go down the list here and I'll, and I'll do my best at listing off what I have and we can talk about each of the classes. Uh, you can
[:[01:42:39] Kevin Sealy: I've done that before. You know, and, and here's the thing.
[:[01:43:01] Jeff Nesbitt: Podcast. Have you tried it?
[:[01:43:12] Kevin Sealy: really cool. Yeah. I mean the, um, at when we get done, I'll, I'll play a clip on here of me talking, and then I'll play the unedited, I'll play the edited and unedited.
[:[01:43:23] Jeff Nesbitt: shocked. I, I have a similar program. It's called Descript, and it's, uh, it does a similar thing called Studio Sound, where it'll take really bad audio and make it sound really clean. Mm-hmm.
[:[01:43:36] Jeff Nesbitt: They're very, uh, advanced.
[:[01:43:46] Kevin Sealy: I use. Um, I have Acrobat, I have Photoshop, I have Illustrator, and I'm, I'm also a Mac user too. So I, uh, um, I have a lot of programs that are built in that I, that Adobe could offer me that I don't really need.
[:[01:44:21] I need to make, do something. I've gotten really good with that program, and it's a very in-depth program. Yeah. You can do a lot with it to do the pro use. Have you used it before? Yeah, I use it for work.
[:[01:44:36] Oh yeah.
[:[01:44:45] Jeff Nesbitt: of these softwares have seemed to kind of converge. Like the new Microsoft Office suite does a lot more than the old one does. Oh yeah. And they're starting to incorporate AI into that too.
[:[01:44:54] Kevin Sealy: the, it's pretty cool. Well, now, um, if you have, what do they call it? Microsoft Edge is their
[:[01:45:03] Kevin Sealy: T integration, so Yeah. So Microsoft Edge though has it as well. Oh, really? Has chat gbt. I didn't know that. Yeah. But anyway, so my programs that I offer are you, so do you just like, edit these around and just like cut
[:[01:45:15] To be honest, most of this sound very podcasty. It'll probably stay pretty much the way it is other than taking out little, like this bullshit Right. We're having right now. Yeah. Yeah. Some, I, I cut most of it out. Uh, but I mean, not that much. It's, it's,
[:[01:45:33] Oh really? I envisioned you sitting in one room with a, like a glass panel, me in one room with a glass panel and like we're looking at each other. I didn't expect us to be sitting this close together. I've thought about
[:[01:45:48] This is great. It's, it's really about managing the vibe. Like I used to have it to where there was a table here, it was like an old kitchen table actually with a tablecloth on it, but it was made to look like a desk. And I would sit over there and the guest would sit over here and there was a partition cuz it was covid.
[:[01:46:13] Kevin Sealy: and maybe that's, maybe that I was thinking of that because maybe Ricky had showed me a picture of it. Yeah. When she was
[:[01:46:27] Um, I'd film it and then use that to make still images and stuff. And I just kind of stopped doing all that cuz it was taken away from my ability to have a conversation cuz I would constantly be checking the camera and Right. Not worth it. And um, so I, I just took it eventually stopped making 'em for a while and I was like, I don't have to do it exactly the same way every time.
[:[01:46:50] Kevin Sealy: So anyway, yeah, I, uh, I offer a number of programs and I can work with just about anybody. It doesn't matter if you have never even held a gun before in your life or if you carry a gun for work every single day, it does not matter.
[:[01:47:32] Okay. And I went through their program there to become a, a tactical firearms instructor. And my buddy Tom, he's also been through, he and I went through the program at the same time. When I left my job, I called him up. I was like, dude, let's go do this thing. And he's like, let's do this thing. Cool. And so we loaded up a ton of gear, drove down to Southern California and enrolled in this program.
[:[01:48:21] Jeff Nesbitt: What was it?
[:[01:48:25] Kevin Sealy: Nope. Nope. Not even a rim fire. Oh, it's actually a nine millimeter. Wow. Yep. It was a Smith and Wesson 59 0 6. And, uh, it was my dad's backup gun at the time. He was a cop. And that was the first gun I ever shot. I believe he actually still has it. I'm not, I'm not a hundred percent sure of that, but I'm pretty sure he still has it.
[:[01:49:13] It's where, out where Fort Clatsop is, where their new annex parking lot is. There used to just be a big sand lot out there. And a friend of my dad lived right next to it, and that's where it was. And.
[:[01:49:30] Now it's hard, harder and harder to find them.
[:[01:49:47] And cuz it's right behind his desk and always holding something and you know, he, he always had different cool guns and I, uh, that's kind of where I got my start, was just kind of seeing all the cool stuff that my dad had.
[:[01:50:09] Exactly. Yeah. But, um, he had a, a, a few guns, not a whole lot, but um, a few rifles and a few pistols and just like, uh, I was always, I just thought they were cool mechanically. Oh yeah. I love gear. I love tools and I love, I'm the same way. Mechanical devices. Are you a knife guy? Oh my God. That was my childhood obsession.
[:[01:50:28] Kevin Sealy: like knives today? I do. Yeah. You want, you wanna see something cool?
[:[01:50:33] Kevin Sealy: It, it
[:[01:50:36] Kevin Sealy: person? I am naturally, extremely adhd.
[:[01:50:52] And it comes out of me as anxiety a
[:[01:51:03] Jeff Nesbitt: So when I was a kid, I was, uh, that was my, my special interest was knives and I collected them.
[:[01:51:27] It's my, the one I'm carrying now is a Milwaukee. They're sharp as fuck and they can open hard plastic packaging. And when I lose 'em, I don't feel devastated. I don't lose knives.
[:[01:51:43] Jeff Nesbitt: lose my gun.
[:[01:51:44] Jeff Nesbitt: do you lose your knife? Because it falls outta my pocket in my truck and down into the seat.
[:[01:51:50] Kevin Sealy: so you haven't lost it, you've misplaced it. Well,
[:[01:51:53] Kevin Sealy: a better distinction. And the other thing is, is have you ever considered like maybe putting a string on it?
[:[01:52:03] Kevin Sealy: you say you're like, do you, do you own like any nice knives?
[:[01:52:29] Nice,
[:[01:52:34] Kevin Sealy: automatic. So it is a, that is an automatic, so it is a switch blade. Yep. It's cool. So that knife is a very difficult to come by knife. This is, um, it was, it's a spider co and you can see it's got the small hole. Cause normally coasts have the big hole.
[:[01:52:53] Kevin Sealy: tactical? It's a, is Spider CO's one of the biggest names in the knife world? Okay. Um, I've
[:[01:52:58] Kevin Sealy: a while. Yeah. So this is, this knife's really cool. So it is G 10 scales. It's an automatic, which I'm, I'm an auto guy. I really like autos. Um, are they illegal in this state?
[:[01:53:37] So getting this knife is very, very difficult. You have to buy 'em first if you're not in a, if you're not a first responder military or law enforcement. And even then it's difficult to get one. These are a hard knife to come by. They're not like rare. They're just hard to get. And so I found, I tracked this one down a few years ago and I've carried it ever since.
[:[01:54:05] Kevin Sealy: I've wanted this knife for a long time and I carried, and for me, like, so this is not like the most expensive knife in the world. This is like a $300 knife. And I, you know, I typically carry a spider co or a bench made.
[:[01:54:43] Um, but this knife was originally designed by Spider Co for the Coast Guard as a swimmer knife. That's why it's lc 200 n. And it has this huge button on it. Yeah. You're not gonna miss that. And I mean, you can feel when you opened it, it pops. Yeah. This was designed that you could grip it with gloves, you could cut, and it's just a really cool knife.
[:[01:55:14] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. That's a huge benefit. Do you, do you not worry that you're gonna damage it or it's just that tough? You don't have to. I mean,
[:[01:55:26] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. You're not prying open to metal containers with it and stuff like
[:[01:55:39] Jeff Nesbitt: for the
[:[01:55:46] Do you carry it
[:[01:55:52] Kevin Sealy: crazy. Nope. No, I just, I mean like, everything is a clip on it. Yeah. You know, like this pen. I mean, I've carried this pen with me every day for years. What kind of pen you're rocking? This is, um, eroding 600.
[:[01:56:23] Jeff Nesbitt: I recognize the tip. I was gonna say, you could probably put a, a bick that's a monitor
[:[01:56:28] That's a Monteverde gel roller that I put in there. Yeah. Um, and I'm one of, I'm somebody that I, if I carry something with me every single day, I'm not going, I'm not gonna half-ass it and I'm not gonna worry about the cost of it. Yeah. Okay. Sure. I'm not carrying a $5,000 pen, but, you know, this is, you know, I think I paid like 50 bucks for
[:[01:56:50] A $5,000 pen is not meant to be carried. It's meant to be put in a case. Right.
[:[01:57:13] I carry a flashlight with me, you know, I carry, I carry stream light wedge and I carry a leatherman. I carry What's a stream light wedge? It's a, it's a, it's a flashlight actually left in the car. Um, before I came in here. Just, I, I, I kind of took some of the metallic stuff outta my pockets. Yeah. Well
[:[01:57:29] I mean, I wish we had the wedge now, but still it's less jingly.
[:[01:57:51] Jeff Nesbitt: That's a pretty, that's a pretty hefty list. You don't lose shit.
[:[01:57:57] Kevin Sealy: Can't afford to. No, no, no. And I respect my belongings. Yeah. And those are things that I have with me every single day. And that I respect them because I count on them that if I need to use that tool, I don't wanna be in a situation where I'm saying, you know, you charge your phone every night.
[:[01:58:45] It's, it's a useful tool to have, you know, my leather man, I need it. And I respect those as things that I need in my life. Which leatherman do you use? I carry a leatherman crunch. Is that the small one? That is, it's a kind of a mid-size, but instead of pliers, it works like bi grips.
[:[01:59:05] Kevin Sealy: kind of a clog shaped, yep.
[:[01:59:07] Jeff Nesbitt: the one I choose. Right on. That's probably a great one to have. It is. Especially if you already
[:[01:59:26] Jeff Nesbitt: The knife is an important one. It is. You can do a lot with it. And my gun.
[:[01:59:46] And I was gonna ask if you put a light on it. I do run a light on it this time of year where we are having lighter, it's light later. Mm-hmm. I typically don't. So I'm running the macro slide and barrel on an Excel frame and with an, with an extended magnet. Nice. And this is something that I go over in my classes that, you know, I'll talk to people.
[:[02:00:19] Jeff Nesbitt: I know they don't like it. Do you carry a gun? I do.
[:[02:00:25] Glock 17 full. Wow. You go the full size and that's your daily carry. Yeah. So are you running Wow. The Glock 17. Are you, so I'm, I would imagine running that size gun. You're not carrying a spare mag? No, no.
[:[02:00:45] Kevin Sealy: you know, I, uh, you know, I typically don't carry a spare mag.
[:[02:01:14] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. Just I, I'm very, uh, aware of my, what's on my body. Like even just like if I have a key in my pocket, it will bo it will bother me.
[:[02:01:33] Kevin Sealy: That is not something that is uncommon. Mm-hmm. That I tell everybody. Anyone who takes my classes has heard me say this, that not the part about me saying that you spend more time carrying than you do shooting.
[:[02:01:57] Jeff Nesbitt: And it's something hard. So when you sit down, it's digging into you. They don't, the movies make it look like you don't even know it's there until
[:[02:02:04] Well, the thing is, is that once you learn how to carry properly, find the right holster and the right gun, you don't even know. Another
[:[02:02:10] Kevin Sealy: carry it all, and I can tell you that right now is I'm sitting here with a gun on me right now. Yeah.
[:[02:02:14] Kevin Sealy: I assumed so. No, I'm, I'm not trying to say that like from like a, a bragging standpoint.
[:[02:02:28] Jeff Nesbitt: I prefer that position. That's a great spot. Because the, it's where my body folds. That's a comfortable spot.
[:[02:02:56] And then inside of that, out to about four feet is your personal space. And then anything inside your reach is your intimate space. And right now, you and I are sitting here, we're, we're close to somewhere between social and personal space. If I was sitting in that chair, we'd be in our personal space with each other, but we'd be far enough, we'd be understanding because this is what we're doing.
[:[02:03:44] Jeff Nesbitt: us.
[:[02:03:58] Uh, because be weirder. If we had our arms around each other, well now you're just getting me turned on. Let's just move past it. Uh, but you know what I mean though, the making the effort to turn sideways is different cuz like, hit this way. I'm just, you're just in my field of view. Right? Yeah. But,
[:[02:04:19] That is somebody that you know, that you were intimately connected to because they can kill you from there. So, well, they can kill you from any range if they
[:[02:04:33] Kevin Sealy: you.
[:[02:04:56] Yeah. Good example. You're at the grocery store, you're, look, you're on the bread aisle, you're looking for something, somebody else comes up there looking for a loaf of bread in the same area. They're gonna keep their distance from you because they equally want that distance. Yeah. If they went and stood shoulder to shoulder with you, you'd move away.
[:[02:05:13] Jeff Nesbitt: See, that's okay. I understand your point. And you're correct in that I'm autistic and I immediately sense that in other people. And when somebody comes and stands directly next to me in the bread aisle,
[:[02:05:24] Kevin Sealy: So do you ever have a situation where you're talking and all of a sudden. The R sound comes into your head and you have to work that situation around. So the word, you have to say something, you have to work the word, the word red into the situation so you can mentally hear yourself say
[:[02:05:43] Similar things. I, I play similar mind games with myself like that, not that much specifically. Um, I, I get words or names stuck in my head and, uh, like the way people get songs stuck in their head, which I do that constantly, but the, I'll get like, like a name that I like and not necessarily, I don't even have to like it.
[:[02:06:09] Kevin Sealy: okay. Yeah, I'm gonna, I, there's a woman she used to work for, a company that sells perforated metal and her name is, can I say it on the show? Yeah. Her name is Naomi Escalante.
[:[02:06:21] Jeff Nesbitt: that would get stuck in my head, stuck
[:[02:06:37] It's stuck in my head for a couple of fucking days. And it's
[:[02:06:45] Kevin Sealy: Yeah. And you get to the point where you, uh, you hear the, you hear this song and you, you just hope to God that whatever song it is is not a song you like or that because you won't like it by the time it's gone.
[:[02:07:01] Jeff Nesbitt: Sometimes a trick that I have found for that one to get it outta my head is go listen to the song and in particular, listen to the, the resolution of the melody. Let let the melody resolve. Cuz sometimes when a song doesn't finish, like somebody turns it off like three quarters through, I get blue ears.
[:[02:07:20] Kevin Sealy: melody resolve. I, uh, I got linked up with this, this, these two girls, this was years ago that they, I met 'em. I can't remember where it was like, I don't know, like Facebook or wherever that, but they were going snowboarding and I, they were saying, Hey, we're going to say if you can just pay us to split gas with us and go.
[:[02:07:55] Jeff Nesbitt: probably painful for her too, that I, I recognize that in people as them having anxiety that you're not gonna like their song choices.
[:[02:08:18] And, uh, but then I'm like, they're probably autistic and I Did you ever watch the show?
[:[02:08:23] Jeff Nesbitt: I haven't. I actually have. You should watch it. I should. Um, you should watch it. It's great. I avoid watching autistic stuff because it, a lot of it is kind of just, I don't know, it just makes me feel weird.
[:[02:08:46] Jeff Nesbitt: It's, it's tough. Yeah. Well, I, I had to study that in college a
[:[02:08:58] Jeff Nesbitt: is a, is a behavioral thing that is caused by some kind of a brain thing, but it, it. Very much looks like a lot of other ticks. Well,
[:[02:09:13] And it's not like the people with ticks that do it all the time. I'll just do it uhhuh and I'll be like, what the fuck was I, why the fuck did I just do that? Yeah. And Ricky will even say something, she'll be like, why did you just all of a sudden come in here and shout? I'm like,
[:[02:09:28] I'm sure you do it too. Oh, I do it a lot. Yeah. Um, I, one of my favorite stems, I guess, uh, I didn't realize that's what it was until I recently, um, started learning more about autism is, uh, music. Like I Yeah, sure. And then, um, but yeah, I, I really listen to music in a way that doesn't seem like the way most people do it.
[:[02:10:07] Kevin Sealy: Cool. Yeah. I, uh, I play the flute before that I play, I, I can play the, I can't play the flute well, but I know how to play it.
[:[02:10:31] Jeff Nesbitt: hands you something and says like, Hey play.
[:[02:10:34] Kevin Sealy: I would be able to figure, uh, on a saxophone, I'll kill it. Uhhuh, I'm really good at the sax. Oh, on the woodwinds? Yeah. The woodwind instruments. Gotcha. Um, saxophone. That's my primary instrument. I pl I started in sixth grade, played it. I played in every different version of band all through schools.
[:[02:10:50] Jeff Nesbitt: can play all of them. Oh, nice. What's your favorite?
[:[02:11:16] I still
[:[02:11:18] Kevin Sealy: Yeah, I can, but definitely saxophone is my, that's my instrument and I still play it. Do you? Yeah. That's cool. Not like every day or
[:[02:11:31] Kevin Sealy: I, I won a number of years. I probably went five years without playing and then kind of picked it up for a while and then let it go.
[:[02:12:01] Oh, yeah. But so backing up to the, the bread aisle? Yeah. Yeah. So you have your intimate space. There's a, something called your control zone. And if you take your hands and go like this and you don't have to do it, I will anyway. Okay. No, not that far. Come in into here so that when you're looking right at me, you can still see your thumbs.
[:[02:12:44] And the concept of that is you are controlling everything that goes on in there. If I stood up right now and I tried to take something from you, You would see it happening before, even if you couldn't react, you would at least see it happening. Anything outside of that you're not gonna see, or you might not consciously see, I'm hypervigilant.
[:[02:13:28] They could get you because that's not in your control zone. Mm-hmm. That is the problem with carrying a gun in the four o'clock position is that it is outside of your control zone. And also that if something changes that you lean over and your shirt gets caught on it, now it's showing you don't physically see it, you act, you have to actually reach back and check to see the condition of it.
[:[02:13:55] Jeff Nesbitt: uh, yeah, no, you're right about that. And when I'm in the woods with, that's where I carry it, and every once in a while I double down a hill. And you do have to check. It's not a good feeling to have to check if your gun's there.
[:[02:14:07] Jeff Nesbitt: Um, because I'm also wearing a backpack and carrying bags and, you know,
[:[02:14:21] Jeff Nesbitt: it's, it's actually, it's in the, the three o'clock position, not
[:[02:14:26] But that's what I'm saying. If you were to go three o'clock outside the waistband, it's outside the waist band. Oh, it is an outside the waistband or not inside? Yeah, it's outside. Yeah. Yeah. For me, I care, you know, if, like, when I teach classes, especially like on the law enforcement side, I, I run a full size gun.
[:[02:14:58] Jeff Nesbitt: I'd probably, if I could go back, I'd get the 19, I would
[:[02:15:01] It does, it doesn't matter. You have, you have integrated your, you know, your doing, your ability, your grip, your stance, all of your fundamentals into the Glock platform. Yeah. And what people don't understand is that switching from a Glock to a sig or a sig to a Glock, or even a Smith and Wesson, it doesn't really matter.
[:[02:15:32] Jeff Nesbitt: It just that you can't really put your finger
[:[02:15:41] It's the grip angle. Grip angle. So when you look at a Glock, you have, I know exactly what you mean. You have a shallow grip angle and a Glock. Glocks have a sig, a very shallow grip angle. Compared to other brands where SIGs and Smiths, they have a much steeper grip angle, like closer
[:[02:15:56] Right? Correct. Yeah. It looks weird to me from shooting the Glock.
[:[02:16:16] Jeff Nesbitt: stance.
[:[02:16:28] Kevin Sealy: shockwave. Yeah. Yeah. You're familiar with the shockwave for a shotgun? No. So the shockwave grip that you can put on a shotgun looks just like those
[:[02:16:37] Okay. Yeah. But it's, it's like, there's, there's basically no angle to it. It's just a curve. Yep. It's not, not
[:[02:16:59] Jeff Nesbitt: Unless you're firing both of 'em every day. It doesn't matter. I
[:[02:17:08] Jeff Nesbitt: No, I know, but just the, the way the brain works and the way your motor system works, if you shot both of those guns every day, you would develop independent motor patterns with both.
[:[02:17:15] Kevin Sealy: but, but you don't have enough time in the day to do that. No, nobody does. Nobody does. Nobody does. And, you know, I mean, I shoot a lot and, you know, I run the Glocks. I ha So my sim guns for the simulator, they are, they look and feel just like real guns. They're modeled after real guns. And if I didn't tell you, it's hard to tell the difference between the two of them.
[:[02:17:52] Yeah. I will say that the, the gun that I have the most rounds through is a, is actually a CZ 75. And I found one at a gun shop. It was a race gun that somebody built for competition. I bought it and I ran it for a long time, got really good with it, and it was a good quality gun that I was.
[:[02:18:27] Jeff Nesbitt: Is it like a military issue somewhere or something through
[:[02:18:32] It's Czech. It's a Czech brand. Okay. Okay. And they're a really cool platform. They've been around a long time. They're a great gun. They've been around since 1975. And I have my, my full size CC 75, I've probably got somewhere probably 30,000 rounds through that gun and my sig platform probably, probably a little more than that.
[:[02:19:34] Why give the prosecution the opportunity to say, Hey, um, so you used your own reloads because they're better for killing. Why give them that opportunity?
[:[02:19:51] Kevin Sealy: you, are they better for killing? Are they, did you build them that way? Did you intentionally build hotter loads with more deadly bullets?
[:[02:20:02] Kevin Sealy: hollow points, I mean exactly that are defense rounds. Yeah. So you, you're going to have to justify to the jury that you don't know who they are. It could, these, you don't know what their political standpoint is, that they, the prosecution convinces them that you intentionally made ammunition.
[:[02:20:36] Jeff Nesbitt: life. And how does it, how does they, uh, how do they determine that is like by stopping power?
[:[02:20:44] Kevin Sealy: manufacturers? Yeah. I mean, they're, they don't, okay. They're just, they're creating ammo that's really good for, I mean, it's, what they're designing is ammo. That's good for killing people. Yeah. And what they're ammo and they're listing it for killing people is, well, not all ammo is great for killing people.
[:[02:21:17] Jeff Nesbitt: want to shoot anybody.
[:[02:21:20] Kevin Sealy: actually, and I tell everybody that I, I really, really hope that they live a long and happy life and at the, at the very end of their life, they think back on my class and go, well, that was kind of a waste of money. I doubt it. I hope, I hope that everybody thinks that, because I hope that nobody ever has to use it.
[:[02:21:47] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. When I was a kid, we went to a church just down the road, and the pastor was, I'll be honest, he was kind of like a. What, at the time I thought of as like, kind of like a beta male, like a kind of a feminine, I mean, he had several kids.
[:[02:22:32] And I, and I saw the clip on the internet and I remember thinking like, just like, wow, the, that's what it is to be like a manly person, like to protect the people around you when you can. Like, and I, like, I felt bad for judging the guy, um, for all back as a kid. Let's talk about
[:[02:23:10] Most, there are a lot of people that have concealed handgun licenses. Now, in Washington, it's called a concealed pistol license. In Oregon, it's concealed handgun.
[:[02:23:44] I have a Utah permit and Y Washington has reciprocity with Utah permit, so I can carry the state of
[:[02:23:54] Kevin Sealy: No. And I could, I could come over and just get one. But you don't. But I don't because I have a Utah, and so I teach Oregon and Utah.
[:[02:24:27] Now, I make a living doing this. But that being said, I believe that the, we should have be a 50 state constitutional carry. I do not believe that we should have permits or classes to carry guns. Our second amendment right is that we have the right to keep and bear arms. I believe that you should be able to keep and bear arms anywhere you want within the country, with the exception of, you know, courtrooms and, you know, certain restricted areas.
[:[02:25:25] Mm-hmm. Is that somebody who's a, a good golfer, they've been golfing for a while, they're pretty good at it. If I told them, Hey, uh, you're gonna be competing in a tournament this weekend, they're going to say, yeah, I'm not
[:[02:25:46] Well, uh
[:[02:26:08] Now what if I tell 'em, Hey, you have to win this golf tournament. First place. You have to get first place, or you're going to die. They're really gonna practice. Yeah. Yet these same people have this idea that I'm going to carry a gun. Yeah. I go out and I shoot and blast garbage piles in the woods once a year without a lot of real intent in no training.
[:[02:26:55] Absolutely. And if you are in that level of combat, you are there for one purpose, and that is to win. And you are now competing with the ultimate stakes, your life. Why is it that people think that any other hobby that they have, they're just, they would practice and they'd get it right, or I wouldn't do well yet with firearms.
[:[02:27:22] Jeff Nesbitt: any women that think that? Yes. Really? Yes. I was gonna say I've had
[:[02:27:43] Jeff Nesbitt: It's the same reason people think they can knock out a, a robber with one punch. Yes.
[:[02:28:04] um,
[:[02:28:39] Go and take a class and learn the information. Amen. So that side says, yeah, don't care to learn all the facts. We just want to get rid of them. It would make
[:[02:28:52] Kevin Sealy: but's might make you change your mind. Let's go to the other side. Typically, the people on the right, they have this mindset of their very pro-gun.
[:[02:29:27] I don't actually know everything I do need to learn. It's this. Well, yep. I'm, I'm good with the gun. And so that's where I'm kind of caught in the tough place with my business is that I have to, the only people that are coming in are the people that are willing to admit that they don't know everything about this.
[:[02:30:08] A little bit of Spanish. Okay. You've taken some, maybe a Spanish class here or there. Yeah. And you met with some people. Okay. If you had to go and take a first year Spanish class at a Highschool, you'd get your way through it. Mm-hmm. And you, cuz you got some understanding of it. And I said, okay, well, you know, take the class and I want you to put in all your effort.
[:[02:30:51] With guns, it's a little different. Most people think that they're at about level two, maybe level three, but they don't have a real solid understanding of level one. And, you know, we could go down the, um, you know, the fundamentals of marksmanship and there's a lot to the fundamentals of marksmanship. And you know, with that, if you're just off a little bit, it goes back to the whole thing with golf.
[:[02:31:51] For me, I'm not teaching golf. I'm teaching you how to defend your life in the unlikely situation that you're in it. But if you are in a situation where you're carrying a concealed handgun, why go into it not knowing what you're doing? Just because you can go out and take the, take the class and get it, you know, look at a, somebody who has a driver's license who's 16 years old.
[:[02:32:36] Jeff Nesbitt: see. I think education is the thing.
[:[02:32:38] Kevin Sealy: it's, it's, I think driver's ed is a great thing. Yeah. I think that, and I'm
[:[02:33:01] I had my shit down and I was a better driver because
[:[02:33:13] Jeff Nesbitt: No. At the time restricted thing.
[:[02:33:23] There I am. I don't believe that, you know, abortion should be used as a weekly form of birth control, but I believe that it is not the government's place to decide that. Me too. That's what I'm, while I, I have my own opinions on it. I believe that with most things, the government needs, needs to stay the fuck out of it.
[:[02:34:11] They made it. I don't agree with it. I think that while I am, while I am personally pro-choice, I think that if you are in a situation that the doctor says this is okay, they're a medical professional. Yeah. They aren't, the people in Congress aren't metal. Okay. Maybe a few of them are, but most of them are not.
[:[02:34:59] Yeah. It's kind of like you don't go out and shoot across the street here, across the highway because that's irresponsible. Even if we were just a few miles down the road in the county where it w it's legal to shoot into the woods. Mm-hmm. We don't do it in certain areas because it's irresponsible. Yeah.
[:[02:35:23] Jeff Nesbitt: Well, yeah, we're, we agree on that and that, but the thing is people do and they do a lot and, and the, a lot of people that end up killing someone on accident are doing exactly that. And that's the thing.
[:[02:35:55] Well, let's, let's
[:[02:36:39] And this was something that we went over a lot when I was going through the schooling to be a law enforcement instructor shifting baselines is that in, in the state of California, you don't even have to shoot while moving anymore. When you are, when you go and do your qualification, it's 32. You have to have 32 hits out of 50.
[:[02:37:22] But still you are talking about a pretty low percentage and a pretty important thing and a pretty important thing we all, we hear about cops need more training, whether it's you're on the side of defund the police, or we need more police, whatever it may be. Um, anyway, the, okay. With law enforcement, we see a lot of deteriorating standards because, okay, well, we're not meeting the standards, so let's back it off and let's just make it so that we can get these guys through it.
[:[02:38:26] I don't want somebody who's showing up that couldn't pass their qualification. So we lowered the standards to let them
[:[02:38:44] We have a problem we do with law enforcement. We do. It's on a
[:[02:38:59] Jeff Nesbitt: And it needs to be modernized and, and.
[:[02:39:05] Kevin Sealy: so why is it that we think for a second that we, the same people that want to hold the police to this high level of standard, why is it that they think that they can go out and carry a gun and never practice and, well, I've been shooting since I was 10 years old, so, yeah.
[:[02:39:53] And, you know, we could, we could spend hours going over draw technique, stances, marksmanship and all that. But it's probably psychology. It is. There's a lot that comes down to, you have to, he wasn't open to learning. Exactly. You have to be open to learning and you have to understand, you know, one thing that I teach people when they come in is that just because you come in and take a class for me, I'm not telling you what the right way is.
[:[02:40:43] Jeff Nesbitt: works. I'm noticing that you're having to do a lot of ego mitigation.
[:[02:40:50] Kevin Sealy: huh? You know, and it's not, I. It's not to the extent that you probably think it is with the ego mitigation, it's, it's more so people grasping the concept that they need to learn a little bit more. Yeah. And it's, it's, I don't know that it's really their ego saying that they're too good for it, it's that they don't realize what their skill level is.
[:[02:41:30] Jeff Nesbitt: that shoot. I would say. So
[:[02:41:35] It just fits so perfectly. That's one thing I love about guns is there's the precision engineering. Oh, I'm
[:[02:41:45] Jeff Nesbitt: I bet you get it. But it's, it's, it's just, it's beautiful. It's
[:[02:41:54] And this is something that I'll say to your listeners that they can, that they can hear is that there are a couple of myths in the gun, the gun world that, you know, I, I see stuff, you know, we all see the memes and the videos that say, tell me you're a blank without telling me you're a plane. Have you ever heard the term?
[:[02:42:48] Jeff Nesbitt: That sounds like somebody who's dangerous if they do have a
[:[02:43:00] Jeff Nesbitt: those are the, those are the people that are the most dangerous. Yes. And not because they're evil, but because they're stupid.
[:[02:43:10] Jeff Nesbitt: And they spin the gun on their finger and show their friends how cool they are. Yep,
[:[02:43:22] Yeah. Um, you know, I, uh, and I'm not gonna say that I didn't have that era of my life because you kind of have to get through that to get further along. You're never gonna get to be the professional level of anything unless you experience the amateur version first. That that's true. That's true. You know, there was a time that when you started in your job that plants were plants,
[:[02:43:49] Oh, that's true.
[:[02:44:09] Jeff Nesbitt: still don't. And you still don't. I mean, I, I know a lot of plants, but there is a lot more out there.
[:[02:44:19] Jeff Nesbitt: Guns have always been very humbling to me. I mean, something that has that much power and capacity to end my life is, do you own a lot of guns, if
[:[02:44:27] Jeff Nesbitt: I, I don't, I own two guns. Um, interesting.
[:[02:44:32] Jeff Nesbitt: Uh, 36 Springfield rifle. It's a family heirloom. I've had it my whole life and, um, yeah, I've actually researched it over the years and, and I talked about it on the podcast once, but my memory's escaping me right now.
[:[02:45:02] And, um, I love it, but I don't have a huge arsenal. Yeah. I have a safe, and my son has a lot more guns, actually. But, you know, it's funny how old's your son?
[:[02:45:20] And I mean, I will say that he and I both have a lot of really cool guns for me. We have, we have very different interests, you know, My dad's interest in guns and my interest in guns are very different avenues. I, I like the, I, I really like eighties era semi-auto pistols. I'm really interested in that. My dad is really into a lot of the like classic revolvers.
[:[02:46:12] I ended up, I was actually the one that found it for him. I founded it at a, it was in a pawn shop in Florida. I found it online and I told him, I said, Hey, here's this guy. And he's been looking for one because the 10 and the 12 are both 38 and he wanted a 3 57 version I nine. And I don't know that this thing had been fired much before he bought it.
[:[02:46:57] So it's got a rifle barrel with a really tight twist on it. So it's accurate at long range. Oh yeah. I mean this thing I've got, the way I have it set up now is, I mean, this thing's a pipe hitter at a hundred yards. Wow. And it's a cool gun, you know, that just like weird stuff. Yeah. And I really love like eastern block guns.
[:[02:47:23] Jeff Nesbitt: that sort of stuff. Yeah. It seems like the Russians and the Americans both really got into guns. So
[:[02:47:38] Jeff Nesbitt: illegal in Washington now or to make and sell?
[:[02:47:41] Kevin Sealy: well I've got, I've got AKs from a bunch of different countries, but Polytech AKs from China are pretty uncommon. They're, they're very hard to find. And I've got Noran cos I've got Segas, I've got the whole bit. But for me, I'm more interested in the gun building Uhhuh. And we're not, and I'm not talking about building ar that's Legos people like, I mean,
[:[02:48:06] They're modular, right? You can buy pieces, interchangeable
[:[02:48:29] Jeff Nesbitt: Do you ever, you do mill parts, you fabricate pieces. Oh, fuck yeah. Wow. That's so cool. I bet that's really fun.
[:[02:48:42] since I left the fabrication industry, I don't do it as much anymore because I, I'm not really set up for it as I once was. Oh yeah. But I've built some pretty cool guns. You know, I've got a, my long range gun is a six five creed more.
[:[02:49:02] Are you sure? Positive.
[:[02:49:22] Other than, you know, the 3 0 8 is super popular. It has been forever. But the Creedmore is a low recoil, very accurate, high velocity round. And there is modularity, there is affordability, there's availability to an extreme level. You know, so the Creedmore is really popular for that. And it's a fun gun and you know, and then I, you know, I'm running that with, uh, you know, and I, and I'm big into, you know, silencers and the cool.
[:[02:50:21] Jeff Nesbitt: bet not. It's just like anything else you got, you ever shot a gun in silencer on it?
[:[02:50:37] Kevin Sealy: a little different. It's quite a bit different. I will say that my favorite machine gun, my favorite machine gun experience I've ever had.
[:[02:51:06] Rifle ranges. They've got an indoor trap range. It's the only one in America as far as I know. It's the only one. It's big, it's the, yeah, it's massive. But they also have a really cool selection of rental machine guns and they had a Glock model 18, which was kind of my dream gun to shoot. And so we went there and Reiki paid for me to be able to rent.
[:[02:51:45] You could how fast would go through 21 rounds nearly instantly. Wow. It's, it's one of the fastest firing machine guns. Wow. It's really cool.
[:[02:52:13] Other than
[:[02:52:26] Jeff Nesbitt: okay, so then I guess there's
[:[02:52:30] It's fully automatic. Okay. It's fully automatic. So now there are even semi-automatic
[:[02:52:51] Kevin Sealy: they're not.
[:[02:52:56] Jeff Nesbitt: motorcycle? No. I wish I
[:[02:53:16] No, but I've ridden it across the Mega bridge at 200 miles an hour. Ah-huh. Do I need a motorcycle that can go that fast? Absolutely. Fucking not. Is it a crotch rocket? It is, yeah. I built it. Cool. Um, it started as a very different bike uhhuh, but you know what, that was me in a younger part of my life that thought that that was like the coolest thing.
[:[02:54:05] Yeah. Do you need it? Not really. Do you? There's a lot of things that we don't need. Yeah. But we can have them for sporting or responsible use. Now is riding a motorcycle that fast on a public thoroughfare responsible? Absolutely not. Well, yeah. You were
[:[02:54:26] Kevin Sealy: But that's, this was, that was me.
[:[02:54:32] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. I've done like 1 0 9 probably I don't like going over a hundred miles an hour in a, just a regular passenger car situation. I, it just too many variables. Um, but it is fun and it is exhilarating and I can see why
[:[02:54:47] You know, and I've ridden that bike. I've ridden that same bike on tracks. You know what, actually
[:[02:55:06] Motorcycles are,
[:[02:55:11] Jeff Nesbitt: that I'm making as a private citizen that because I recognize that danger, I'm choosing not to engage in that activity as an independent person. But everybody has that choice about everything.
[:[02:55:25] Kevin Sealy: No, but okay, we could say the same thing about surfing. Okay. You're standing on a piece of fiberglass in the ocean. You don't need to do that. Do you need to do that? Yeah. Not really. There's not, there is actually no, there's not really any way that you could quantify and need to do that smashing up coral reefs.
[:[02:55:54] Jeff Nesbitt: smashing them. They're getting smashed. They are. You
[:[02:56:06] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. One surfer though, who goes out there untrained can smash up a coral reef and mess it up for a lot of people.
[:[02:56:33] Yeah. So it's the same thing with a gun that you are choosing to do something that you don't need to do. Now there are some situations where you could, you could quantify a need, but when we go back to the machine gun thing for you and me, we don't need either of them. We don't need silencers. You know, there are some benefits, especially in the hunting world.
[:[02:57:07] Jeff Nesbitt: It looks good. I will say that. It does look nice. It's the, the
[:[02:57:12] Jeff Nesbitt: protection, right? No, not at
[:[02:57:30] Now you shoot subsonic ammo out of a nine millimeter pistol with a can on it, with, especially with a big can on it. Um, it's pretty quiet. Like to the point you can hear the striker reset. Wow. Yeah. Wow. We'll go do it. You Yeah, we're gonna go do it. We'll go. That sounds fun. We'll go shoot and, uh, you'll get a kick
[:[02:57:51] Yeah, no, it looks, it looks cool. I like, I really, I I need to train more. I would like to do that. Come and take a class.
[:[02:58:09] And if you're a Washington resident, just take the Oregon one and I give you a discount. The um, other class that I offer is not something that meets any requirements. It's called Advanced Concealed Carry Workshop. This is when you take the concealed carry class. It's about a three hour class. We have a lot of information to cover.
[:[02:58:45] Mm-hmm. And that's also semi intentional that I didn't want to have 50 people in a class. Not because it's a lot of work, but because. When you have 50 people in class, it's hard for somebody to ask a question and for me to get through everybody. Yeah. 20 people is a group that I can really focus on everybody's needs and what they want to learn.
[:[02:59:33] You know, all of these little things that we only could scratch the surface on. And I book the class out for an hour, but if we're there for two hours, I don't care. I want people to learn. The other class I offer, that's also open enrollment is called Families with Firearms. Now this is a course for parents or potential parents.
[:[03:00:18] That so that people aren't in a situation where they shield their kids or, or shelter them from learning about guns because they don't know anything. Oh
[:[03:00:31] Kevin Sealy: And the funny thing about it is it's actually like people have a lot of. Support for it, but surprisingly less interest in it than I thought.
[:[03:00:57] Kevin Sealy: em to go. So that's, that's what I do for open enrollment.
[:[03:01:29] The, um, families with firearms class, I do every, I do that every other week on Saturdays, just so that I can have a Saturday afternoon off. Yeah, I bet. That's nice. You know, and, but the advanced class that's on Tuesdays, and I don't care if you don't even have a concealed handgun license, you're welcome to come in and learn.
[:[03:02:17] And if I, and if I know how to teach it, I'll teach it to you. But I, my, my basic classes are what's called firearms fundamentals. And this is actually a. Version of the concealed handgun license class. It's just a private group with a max of six people. The difference is all of the stuff where I would teach you grips, stance, all the fundamentals of marksmanship, instead of me standing in front of the class teaching you in a PowerPoint presentation, we're gonna do it in the simulator.
[:[03:03:12] And like I said, all of the guns that I teach with are non-live fire. I don't have any, there's none of the guns that we teach with can even be modified
[:[03:03:29] Kevin Sealy: Now, if you bring your own gun in because you want to learn something about it in the simulator, obviously that's a little different.
[:[03:03:52] Jeff Nesbitt: And yeah, imagine it is. I won't bring my own diode.
[:[03:03:56] Kevin Sealy: It, which is probably very, very similar. Maybe even the same
[:[03:04:05] Kevin Sealy: Yours is probably from I from imo. Uh, yeah. I don't remember. That's the, that's the most common one online.
[:[03:04:32] And whether it's just you or you and another person, I'm charging the same amount. Anybody after that, it's 50. After the first two, it's only $50 a person more. And I book the class out for three hours. But if it takes longer, it takes longer because to me it's, I'm not gonna take six hours. But it's important that we all have a fundamental understanding of what we're doing.
[:[03:05:17] I would like that
[:[03:05:34] Yes. You know what I mean? If you don't know
[:[03:05:43] Jeff Nesbitt: doing.
[:[03:05:58] Looking at every inch of your body to see how you're standing, how you're gripping, how you're moving.
[:[03:06:18] Yeah. I know. I can see, I can see everything that you're doing wrong. Even if you don't realize it and you're spending your hard-earned money with me so that you can learn something more. Don't try to hide what you know is wrong. Yeah. So that I can't help you fix it.
[:[03:06:36] It is. It's guns and ego are very tied together.
[:[03:06:40] Jeff Nesbitt: I, no, I mean, it's not surprising, but it is
[:[03:06:51] Jeff Nesbitt: 18 and up two or can I bring in a
[:[03:06:56] Okay. Um, but obviously it's in that situation. It is. You know, I'm not gonna just say somebody under 18 can sign up. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. To sign up for any of my classes, you must be 18 or over, or with a parent. And so, firearms maintenance, you come in, we will go over your gun, we'll disassemble it together.
[:[03:07:45] I don't stock a kit that's designed for that. It's designed more for the pistol aspect because most people that are coming in are doing concealed carry based stuff. Yeah. And
[:[03:08:26] Yeah. But I want this to be affordable for people to come in so, well
[:[03:08:35] Kevin Sealy: you know, I mean, obviously I'm doing it for a living, so I have to make some money. I have to make something out of this. I have to make it worth my time.
[:[03:08:46] Kevin Sealy: But at the, but what I'm, I guess what I mean by that, I can't lose money. I have to do a little better than break even.
[:[03:09:01] Kevin Sealy: So I charge, my standard rate is 75 bucks an hour. Mm-hmm. And which is
[:[03:09:10] Kevin Sealy: If you can buy a gun. Yeah. If you can go out and spend five, 600 bucks on, on your gun and then another a hundred bucks on your holster, another 50 bucks on your ammo.
[:[03:09:53] Mm-hmm. I offer a class called, uh, youth Safety Marksmanship. This is a class that is, um, it's kids based, but it's also private instruction. This is not open enrollment. I can't, I'm not just gonna have a bunch of people come in. This is, you know, you and your son would book it together and I charge per person because I expect that parents when they come in, they're not going to sit at the back of the simulator and watch me teach their kid.
[:[03:10:33] Jeff Nesbitt: you, what is a scenario if they're not like after the class, is the kid just carrying a gun now and the parent doesn't know how to use it?
[:[03:10:43] Kevin Sealy: stuff? Well, you know, this is not something, you know, I don't teach anything with defensive situations with kids. Yeah,
[:[03:10:59] So
[:[03:11:19] I just expect parents to use discretion over such a serious matter that their kids are mature enough to learn fundamentals and safety. You know, if I have, you know, The training guns, they're made by a company called Next Level Training. They're called Cert Guns. They are glorified laser pointers that look like pistols.
[:[03:12:01] You know, I'm not gonna allow, this is not laser tag, this is not where a place where the kids can come in and point 'em at people. I expect everyone that comes in to treat them as if they are a real gun. Oh, yeah. Has
[:[03:12:12] Kevin Sealy: do you do? You know, in certain situa you have to treat each situation differently.
[:[03:12:40] You teach that you're gonna use, you're gonna point guns at each other and force on force training, but most people are not cops, most people are not military. They're going to come in to learn how to defend themselves. And in that situation, the person that you're gonna point at is the guy in the video screen.
[:[03:13:21] You can. But what is that? Is that how you win? But here's the thing. If he's just standing there, just like yelling at you Yeah. You can't just draw a gun and shoot somebody because you're, they're yelling at you. Are there
[:[03:13:33] Kevin Sealy: Yes. Yeah. And well, I mean there's con it's the, you know, in, in the real world, if you shoot somebody because they were yelling at you, the consequences is that you're probably gonna go to prison if you don't get shot first.
[:[03:13:48] Jeff Nesbitt: mean, the cops might just come shoot you right away. They might, but Yeah. Oh, I know there's railroad consequences. I'm
[:[03:14:05] And this is your opportunity to do it wrong and see what the outcome is. And then we can talk about that. Because that's not something I can teach you at the range. If we go in there and we run this scenario and you get it wrong, I can say, well, you probably shouldn't have done it that way. Let's try it again and do it this way.
[:[03:14:37] I tell 'em they think it's a video game. That's the problem is that they don't understand. They, they, until they've been through it, they don't understand the, the seriousness. And they're like, I thought I had to shoot 'em. I thought I had to shoot 'em. No. The option is this is for you to learn what you can and can't do.
[:[03:15:16] Superiority. Yeah. And I'm trying to teach people that the best option is to never draw that gun for every, for every situation that you could be in, that you have to draw that gun. There's 10,000 reasons not to, or why you could do something else. Yeah, exactly. And that's the same thing in the simulator.
[:[03:15:55] And the projector's shooting it on there, and it's, uh, and you say, Hey, I'm sorry. You know what? I, I really didn't even notice. I'm, I apologize. You know, you, you know, you deescalate it. Yeah. He's gonna say, well just pay more fucking attention next time. Yeah. And he gets in his truck and drives away. But if you escalate it, he's gonna shoot at you Uhhuh.
[:[03:16:37] Now, the maintenance class doesn't include that. Um, if you, and I also offer like, private sessions of the concealed carry class. You know, let's say a church calls me up and says, Hey, we want to do one at the church for the whole congregation. Okay. I come out and do it there. Obviously that doesn't include simulations.
[:[03:16:58] Jeff Nesbitt: is that not, it seems weird. Is that not weird? It's
[:[03:17:13] Yeah. And not, and I'm not just saying that for personal experience, I'm just saying industry-wide, they're very, uh, it's very common. I
[:[03:17:24] Kevin Sealy: surprise me. Yeah. And so other courses that I offer, I offer two different one-on-one training courses.
[:[03:17:55] And I tell you, I want you to draw, aim, shoot and re holster. And as crazy as this sounds, I can pretty much from just watching you draw, aim, shoot it once and re holster, I can pretty much figure 90% of your shooting ability from that. And actually, even if you don't fire, you don't even have to shoot. You just have to draw, aim, and recover.
[:[03:18:32] Jeff Nesbitt: me what you, what the cues and the giveaways are because then I'll be playing to that when I go to
[:[03:18:42] I would try to practice. At least it is. Okay. That's okay. But here's the thing, you try to practice. I had a week to do it. I would practice that whole time. But here's the thing. You take that week to practice. So what all that's gonna say is you're gonna come in and you've already defeated the things that we're gonna talk about.
[:[03:19:16] They want to go target shooting, they want to shoot with their kids, shoot with their friend. You know, they, their friends all have guns, but they're not concealed carrying, they're not going to be putting themselves in a defense situation. Maybe they don't even keep a gun in their bedroom at home. They're all locked in a safe somewhere where that's never gonna be a situation.
[:[03:19:56] And I say, okay, well I want you to imagine the most heinous crime somebody could commit against you in that situation. Could you take their life? And, you
[:[03:20:16] Kevin Sealy: someone's life?
[:[03:20:37] Now, could you end their life now? And some people, the answer might be no. It's gonna be, it's gonna be slim. But some people, the answer is no. And for those people, I say, this is probably not the course for you, because now, if you are not capable of utilizing this tool, You are now a greater risk to society and yourself than you are if you just don't have a gun on you at all.
[:[03:21:15] Jeff Nesbitt: Are you gonna be able to make the judgment in the moment?
[:[03:21:28] You need to make that decision. And you know, I tell people that for me, the second to the last thing in the world I want is to have to shoot somebody. The last thing I want is to be in a situation where I could have stopped somebody or protected myself and I didn't have a gun. Oh yeah. That's definitely worse.
[:[03:22:13] One won't include simulations. You know, I offer a course called Intro to Red dot, which is a, are you, uh, have you ever carried a pistol with a red.site on it? Uh,
[:[03:22:29] Kevin Sealy: And that comes from the fact that you don't have experience with it.
[:[03:22:34] Jeff Nesbitt: I liked it. I just, it was just bulky and I, it seemed unnecessary. Felt like it, it made it seem like I was playing gun. Um, and I was like, I don't need this thing. So
[:[03:22:49] It is. Okay. That is a great point that you bring up. They shouldn't be easier to shoot. How come? Because you should have the fundamental skillset to use your sites like the peep site. Yep. Your irons on the gun. The site picture is where it changes because do you, do you know how to properly aim with a pistol?
[:[03:23:24] Jeff Nesbitt: the target. Well, I try to look, I try to focus on the target. I'm, lemme try to, I have to put myself in the position.
[:[03:23:30] Kevin Sealy: this, like you're doing
[:[03:23:51] Kevin Sealy: So when you're looking, when you're aiming with a standard pistol with regular irons, you want your focus to be on the front side and you want to cover whatever you're aiming at. And then you're going to bring the rear side up so that there, the height is equal height between the two of 'em and equal light showing between the rear fork and the for and the front side.
[:[03:24:34] But if I move this over to here now they're all in a line that middle, that front site, that's the middle point. Yeah. You need to, you are using that to make sure that that gun is aligned. Just
[:[03:24:58] I've, somebody has told me that at times over the years, and you know how like when you grow up shooting people tell you little stuff that sticks and uh, but to hear it in order like that makes it seem like, oh, there's so much just a right way to do this. Um, because like, that's what I do. But I do, I do, uh, remember when I first got the Glock thinking, like, am I now, am I supposed to put the, the front site?
[:[03:25:25] Kevin Sealy: but uh, that depends on the manufacturer. Mm-hmm. 95% of guns. Oh yeah.
[:[03:25:33] Kevin Sealy: a ball on the top. Yeah. 95% of pistols that you're gonna own, you're gonna cover, you're gonna cover whatever you're shooting at.
[:[03:26:02] You get it aligned, you aim it at the target, and you pull the trigger. The rear side should be slightly blurry. The target should be slightly blurry and the focus should be on the front side. That's how you make your alignment with a defensive situation. Somebody is, say they are holding a weapon.
[:[03:26:29] Kevin Sealy: Exactly. You're pointing the gun at him and your sight are aligned and you're looking at 'em. You've got a good, so now you've looked back at 'em. Realistically, you're not gonna focus back on the front side. You're gonna just point shoot, but your, your accuracy will be diminished. If they're moving. It's going to significantly impact your.
[:[03:27:14] You are now target focused and you are superimposing a red dot and wherever that is because there's no parallax error with Oh yeah. Cuz there's no depth with a Yeah, it's two dimensional. Yeah. With a, with a reflex site, there's no parallax error. Wherever. If, if the.is in the top right corner of the, of the window, that's where it's gonna hit on the target, wherever you're aiming.
[:[03:27:52] Jeff Nesbitt: what it, that's what makes it feel easier
[:[03:28:11] Mm-hmm. I can draw a gun and shoot the same speed, the same range every time. The it's
[:[03:28:30] Kevin Sealy: up with something else.
[:[03:28:49] If one of those is off, it's going to diminish your accuracy.
[:[03:29:00] Kevin Sealy: overall a whole bunch. Here's a good example. When I'm aim, let's just say this is the grip of a pistol.
[:[03:29:26] Jeff Nesbitt: with the lower
[:[03:29:29] I mean, my whole hand is bit taking up. I'm ro rotating my elbows up and my wrists in. This is where I feel it. Mm-hmm. Now, okay. Are you right-handed? Yeah. Okay. Grip my hand As hard as you would, you would grip your pistol.
[:[03:29:50] Okay. I would try to death
[:[03:30:08] Now with your support hand, you can put a lot more grip onto it because that's, that's not really doing anything. It's support. Yeah. It's a support hand. And I'm gonna show you the reason why. Make a fist really tight now. P point your finger out while not, don't release your grip tight as you can and go like this.
[:[03:30:34] Jeff Nesbitt: You can't do it. You don't have that fine motor.
[:[03:30:51] In any situation, whether they're holding a gun or not, they assume a very similar posture. They start to do that when they're holding a gun, especially when they're holding a gun because they're nervous of the gun and they start to lean away from it. But they'll bring their arms in because this is the, the comfortable position is to cross your arms and kind of make yourself small.
[:[03:31:22] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. I have a very clear memory of being a kid.
[:[03:31:39] Kevin Sealy: it. I see. But that I see people put their thumbs behind the slide.
[:[03:32:06] That's just you and just me. Yeah. It's we're, I don't have other, I, I don't let in those courses. I don't let you bring your significant other, your kids or anybody else. And the reason for that is that all of a sudden we have more than one coach and Oh, yeah. And the, you know, your wife can go and take a class and learn something.
[:[03:32:38] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah, you're right. Actually, that's very true. And same with your kids.
[:[03:32:53] And then the other thing is, a lot of times people are hesitant when their partner is around. Now I do offer courses that are group, you know, I offer one called group simulator training and I'll, I allow up to four people in that and we'll do whatever the hell you want to do. If you want to shoot. And the simulator, I've got shotguns, rifles, pistols, the whole bit.
[:[03:33:28] You and up to four people can come in and learn. Now I don't record it and I'm not gonna leave, give you homework to take with you to do other stuff cuz this is just time for you to learn and you'll, you'll have fun and you're gonna learn at the same time, but it's a little different. That being. And then also I do offer a intro to Modern Sporting Rifle course.
[:[03:33:58] Jeff Nesbitt: I got, seems like you can make class for anything that you make different thing that you need
[:[03:34:14] Intro to moderate sporting rifle, firearms maintenance. The two, uh, I've got two classes that are one-on-one. The Defensive and Skill Builder, youth Safety and Marksmanship and Firearms maintenance. Yep. That's a lot. Yes.
[:[03:34:35] Kevin Sealy: I am on Facebook, I'm on Instagram.
[:[03:35:08] And it's a great
[:[03:35:16] Kevin Sealy: you know, you see, like with my logo, you can see the colors that I chose mm-hmm. Non-threatening. Mm-hmm. Because there are, th this industry is dominated by green and silver and red and black, and people have kind of misconceptions of what, of, you know, what this industry is because, you know, there's a guy that is, he's never gonna hear the show, so I'm gonna say his name, but, um, he's a guy he's in, he's got a company in Missouri.
[:[03:36:11] I'm teaching people how to safely handle firearms and how to effectively defend themselves.
[:[03:36:41] Kevin Sealy: Yeah. And the other thing with that is that I don't want. I don't want to have an image of exclusivity. I'm a very inclusive person. Ricky and I both lead a very inclusive lifestyle where I do not give a fuck what your belief structure is. All I care about is that you are interested in learning. I do not care if you are an ultra, ultra-conservative.
[:[03:37:42] All I care about is that you come in with the interest to learn and you want to, you want to leave knowing more than you came in through the door with. That's all I care
[:[03:38:01] Kevin Sealy: that attitude. And, you know, I have learned, you know, it's funny because I have a sticker on my front door at the business.
[:[03:38:29] I have a
[:[03:38:34] Kevin Sealy: but yeah. Yeah. The, um, this, uh, the liberal gun club, they're, uh, east Coast based, but they are. A liberal group of people that believes in Second Amendment rights. And it's not, I wouldn't say it's like overly difficult to become a, an endorsed instructor by them, but one thing is that kind of disqualifies people is their own personal prejudices that they bring into their business.
[:[03:39:17] there's a lot of, it's not that the, the club itself would exclude them. It's that people will choose to not want to be part of it because, oh, well I don't like this person or that person, you know? Oh, it's the liberal gun club. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't wanna be part of that, you know?
[:[03:39:37] Oh, sorry. No, no, don't be sorry. This is great. I've had a really good time. Learned a lot, and I think that your business sounds awesome. I, I think I'll come take a class. Yeah. And I think it sounds like a really good idea overall. Do you have anything else you'd like to say before we get outta here?
[:[03:39:51] Let's, uh, let's go shoot in, wrap it up. Let's do a class. Let's, uh, yeah. You know.
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