Just Give the Kid a Popsicle! with Mike Lambert

Mike Lambert

Intro

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[00:00:13] I was like, oh man, we got it. So I'm like crawling. I crawl over to my mom. I take her back to the bedroom. I make her crawl out of the window. She's like messed up, bleeding out her forehead, like super messed up and uh, drug her out of the window. I pretty much freaked out that we're going to get blown away.

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00:00:00] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:00:00] ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls. Welcome to another exciting episode of ramble by the river. I'm your host, Jeff Nesbitt. It is Saturday, July 3rd, 2021. The day before 4th of July United States independence day. So everybody's excited. You're getting your fireworks ready? You're getting your watermelon chilled.

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[00:00:47] I had kind of expected this episode to be kind of silly, kind of goofy. And I kind of pushed it that direction in the beginning. Not really knowing what to expect. What I didn't know is that. Michael had just come [00:01:00] back from, I don't even know what, what, how to explain it, but somebody in his life had passed away the day before this was recorded and he had just come back from burying them.

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[00:01:38] So it was really ended up being great. I had a really good time. We laughed a lot anyway, but it was not, we weren't just goofing the whole time. It got. And I think it was really cleansing and powerful and I hope you guys enjoy it. I wanted to do a special, thank you. Little shout out to Caitlin's cipher read at the coast weekend.

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[00:02:20] And it was really cool. So I just wanted to say thank you. I really appreciate it. And I hope you're listening. I hope you're enjoying the show. Thanks again. If you guys want to reach out on social media. Again, I'm still waiting to hear some DJ names. You guys haven't really done shit. As far as coming up with DJ names for me, I've, I've had a couple, but you know, the one that really pops just hasn't come through yet.

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[00:03:05] Or at the all-new ramble by the river.com. You can find links to all that in the show notes. Last thing before we get going last weekend, we talked about be the match that's that organization that collects donors for. People with leukemia and things like that. So I just wanted to let you guys know that I have got my kit.

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[00:03:47] That is the normal. That's a huge impact. It's more impact than I ever thought this show would have period. So let's do it. I think that's about it, guys. We'll get to the show now, please. Don't forget to like comment, [00:04:00] share and subscribe. It really helps. Thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate it.

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[00:00:09] So I figured you might as well. Just, I like it.

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[00:00:15] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:00:15] Yeah. I think it's probably going to be okay. But, uh, actually

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[00:00:30] Yeah. It was kind of nice.

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[00:00:41] Mike Lambert: [00:00:41] I'm not married. I live in sin. I'm a sinner. You're referring to those kids.

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[00:00:52] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:00:52] relationship.

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[00:01:21] He'll be three in August. So yeah, 2018. So that'd be yeah, 2017. Her and I got together.

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[00:01:37]Mike Lambert: [00:01:37] was driving a car yesterday. And it had buttons that like pushed in, but there was no, like, there was no like nothing that told you that it happened.

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[00:01:59] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:01:59] Oh

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[00:02:03] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:02:03] What you were just talking about the button click thing. Yeah. Completely interesting topic, which we should talk about right away.

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[00:02:19] Tick at the end, no relief, no nothing. And it drove me nuts cause I would, I would touch it and I you'd think it was working and wasn't working sites like smash it and then it would work and I'm like, okay, well where's the, like, you could never guess where the action point less than the push of the

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[00:02:34] And maybe it was just a lag and you're smashing too soon. Oh yeah.

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[00:02:44] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:02:44] design of like buttons and door handles and latches and that kind of stuff is something that nobody really thinks about.

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[00:03:06] Like a door that's notoriously bad. Like when you walk up to a door, it should be intuitive. You should know exactly where to place your hand. You should know to polar push without having to think about it. It is, it's insane that there are so many push or pull signs on doors. It's like, what the fuck?

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[00:03:29] Mike Lambert: [00:03:29] about the assholes when they got a door that opens both ways and it has a sign that says pole, oh, you're like, and then he pushed it. Yeah. It works. Why did this open? What are you guys trying to say?

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[00:03:44] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:03:44] and up there behind the desk, just watching you like a fool. Yeah. Can't trust anybody these days.

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[00:03:53] And then because it's the same door.

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[00:03:56] Mike Lambert: [00:03:56] robot arms on him. How many times I smashed into that thing? Like the first year they had those, [00:04:00] I would for sure. Oh, I smashed into a hard,

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[00:04:05] Mike Lambert: [00:04:05] It's an automatic door. And if you push it, it will stop you from pushing it.

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[00:04:12] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:04:12] state. You're in, there's a problem. Fighting the robot, trying to get him. He wants the

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[00:04:18] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:04:18] Yeah. Well, like I worked there or you probably remember that. I don't know,

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[00:04:21] I didn't have a lot of money to go to Jack's back then, but yeah.

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[00:04:29] Mike Lambert: [00:04:29] you weren't on the radio ads. Uh, when I first read back from college ever said an employee who was on the radio ads and he was the greatest radio ad person of all time.

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[00:04:39] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:04:39] Yeah. I would like to get into chase Millsap a little bit. He is

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[00:04:49] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:04:49] him like tacos, trains and pictures of uncomfortable women. I

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[00:05:00] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:05:00] his photography is good, actually legitimately good.

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[00:05:04]Jeff Nesbitt: [00:05:04] I want to, I want to see a reality show starring him because I don't, I want to know the story behind all these pictures. Absolutely. I like the ones with the angry dude off to the side, like with his arms crossed. Those are my favorite. I've been that dude.

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[00:05:21] I bet. Yeah, it's weird. It was weird. I didn't get him at first. And then I kind of realized like later on was like, he's just a genuinely nice guy. He's making connections, he's making connections. He's a person who's like, wow, I'm not going to accept, you know, whatever fate may lie here for me. I'm going to go out and create my own fate, which is what we should all be doing.

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[00:05:56] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:05:56] all. So, oh, that feeling though, when you.

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[00:06:10]Mike Lambert: [00:06:10] Kind of like the PostNet depression.

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[00:06:17] Mike Lambert: [00:06:17] you are down. Yeah, no, I'm totally ashamed when I go to McDonald's

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[00:06:29] Mike Lambert: [00:06:29] in that line? None.

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[00:06:33] And then I'm, I'm angry and ashamed because I already lost, I already made the decision. God knows I was going to eat the big Mac. And, but it doesn't matter. And now I'm enraged also on top of it and hungry. It's the worst, worst ever. That's like blue balls. It's above

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[00:06:49] And then you go to the mini-mart probably and get something there.

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[00:07:06] So I'm did you get ugly now? I still, now I just want to be healthy. I guess

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[00:07:24] Being maybe manipulative and then not kind and like misleading a lot, like yeah. Having, oh yeah. Definitely. Like that's actually a big, big part of my life right now is like trying to be honest. No, no. Trying to be honest, like I think I lied. I think most people lie to themselves more than they lie to anyone else.

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[00:08:05] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:08:05] No, no, man. It really, I think that's good stuff to talk about.

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[00:08:29] A hundred percent.

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[00:08:37] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:08:37] I'm going to keep

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[00:08:39] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:08:39] until I die ,

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[00:08:46] I would say in college, I lost it. And then, then I realized like, man, if you're just in this scene and you're like running this life, like do whatever you want. Yeah. I've seen a lot of like good looking people. Yeah. Yeah. There's a

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[00:09:03] Yeah.

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[00:09:18] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:09:18] Yeah. See, I'm not sure. I feel like I'm complicating this. Uh, this is kind of a jokey thing mixed with, uh, with a risky topic. So I don't know the best. I don't want to. I hope

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[00:09:35] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:09:35] actually.

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[00:09:36] Mike Lambert: [00:09:36] write out that whole section, like that whole

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[00:09:49]Mike Lambert: [00:09:49] I'm really happy to bring this up because, um, my girlfriend and I were in Vegas, our first we've been there twice on vacation. And uh, our first trip we were, we [00:10:00] were tucked back behind a corner, just hanging out for no reason. Um, but actually we were smoking a joint and this is the best dude.

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[00:10:28] Like we just don't really want to see us, you know? Yeah. It's like trying to you don't you don't only want to know. So we're hanging out and they come up and approach my girlfriend and the way they approach hers, they come up and said, damn girl, you thick.. And that started the whole thing. The next thing you know, we're over in their little group and I'm pretty sure they were trying to put her to work, but yeah, the world loves

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[00:10:52] Mike Lambert: [00:10:52] Hey, they do. Think I have all along, you know, not, I mean,

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[00:11:04] Mike Lambert: [00:11:04] and if you love women, you love women's

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[00:11:13] I, uh, I'm, I'm not, I think you

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[00:11:17] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:11:17] yeah. I don't know. I had a good relationship with my mom. Yeah. What was that? Where, where were we? Vegas prostitutes. . Black

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[00:11:32] Yeah. The music . Yeah. Think, I mean all this sports that we've people worship. I mean, it's, it's dominated by black people and black culture. And so, um, I love that they're getting the awareness, but I don't, I don't, I think it's getting blown away with some of the racist hop. I don't know if it was good or bad, but I think it's fortunate that I grew up here where, you know, we're not exposed to a lot of it.

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[00:12:18] And so college town. Yeah. I mean, there was no, like I never saw it. I mean the only, the only things scary there was homeless people. Yeah. You know, and they, they weren't even scary. I loved hanging out with those guys. They bought me a lot of booze.

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[00:12:36] I want to talk about Eugene.

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[00:12:46] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:12:46] I think that a lot of people like you and me talk to white guys, sitting in a room with beards, talking about racism. Yeah. People will get mad at you. If you talk about things that you don't have the experience to back up.

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[00:13:00] Mike Lambert: [00:13:00] some people would think that we're not allowed to have an opinion. And some people would say that, but I don't think the majority thinks that we're says that. I, yeah, I don't think so. But there's definitely those people who do say white men should not have an opinion about things that they're we talked

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[00:13:18] That's what they're thinking.

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[00:13:20] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:13:20] We've talked a lot. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Have you watched Bo Burnham, uh, inside the new, the new Netflix special? I haven't, but I've watched it. They suck. And the new one is so fucking good.

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[00:13:39]Jeff Nesbitt: [00:13:39] Did I just blow your mind?

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[00:13:46] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:13:46] I changed that. I changed my mind on that completely after this special. Really? Yeah.

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[00:14:01] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:14:01] I mean, he probably could, if he works really hard and all that, it definitely like, but that's not his, his path I think he should take this show inside on to Broadway. It's so good, man. Should be a Broadway actor. It is insanely good. Yeah. You got to check it out. A talented person.

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[00:14:34] And he was just getting ready to start a standup tour or whatever. I don't know what happened. He's in there. He's stuck. And so he decides he's going to make this special. It's a collage basically of like his thoughts and different kind of different takes on it. Political issues and it is embedded with meaning and feeling and information and, you know, facts and opinions, and is very good at that.

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[00:15:00] Mike Lambert: [00:15:00] Is it, is it all really like poppy, poppy songs

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[00:15:12] Mike Lambert: [00:15:12] that. Okay. What I liked was his balance. Like he had, I mean, he obviously understands music theory, obviously understands comedy and he was able to put it together for a few songs that were really like, like songs.

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[00:15:27] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:15:27] felt for many of his

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[00:15:34] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:15:34] does a fourth wall breaks in this one where so fourth wall is like, so if you're, if you're watching a TV sitcom, you know how, like, you're the viewer sitting over here, you're looking into a, a home which has, and you see three walls.

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[00:15:54] Mike Lambert: [00:15:54] wow. I never knew that. Yeah. I know what you're talking about, but I never knew that,

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[00:16:07] It does. It talks to the camera. Yeah. Um, yeah. Or where the crew comes in, fourth wall break, where you're, it lets the audience in on part of the process of making the show,

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[00:16:22] Yeah,

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[00:16:43] Yeah. And so the whole thing is that he's like very candid and it's, it's really

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[00:17:04] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:17:04] It would be interesting to look at the actual numbers and see how they compare to what people perceive that they do. Because I bet it's nowhere near the same. I bet. I see. I feel like what, like I'm when I'm watching TV on a TV and I'm sitting on the couch and I'm fully just like engaged in that

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[00:17:24] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:17:24] but yeah.

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[00:17:51] Yeah. So I don't know. What

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[00:18:12] Like, I don't know. Yeah. Time for this,

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[00:18:16] Mike Lambert: [00:18:16] who, why am I going? Listen. So these guys, and then like 2016, I was working or somewhere in there I was working with this guy named Pete. And, uh, he, he was listening to Joey, Coco Diaz. And uh, one of my faves, I was riding around with him at work and he's like, have this on.

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[00:18:40] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:18:40] first podcast. That was

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[00:18:47] Oh, he's great too. And they're talking about Washington Heights and buying dope here and going over there. I was like, whoa, like you guys are talking about your drug, like your drug deals. And like, Joey's like talking about Robinson, [00:19:00] kidnapped the guy. What the hell? Like now Joey is one of my favorite guys.

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[00:19:18] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:19:18] I do know these guys, Joey Diaz. I mean the Joe Rogan crew, the whole fucking network are like, let my

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[00:19:26] So when did you start listening to podcasts?

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[00:19:44] Mike Lambert: [00:19:44] brands podcasts before Rogan's

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[00:19:51] So, and this one has gone through a few different iterations right now. He's on luminary. Uh, his podcast is called under the skin and it's okay. But he's [00:20:00] kinda transitioned him also, like, like you're saying with Joey Diaz, but Russell brand is now. Way more into spirituality and that kind of stuff, which I like.

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[00:20:18] Mike Lambert: [00:20:18] I thought he was like really

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[00:20:26] I mean, he's a smart guy. He's a good businessman. He, I mean, he repackaged the 12 steps and sold it and made millions of dollars. Like 12 steps, like, like AA. Oh yeah. Like he put the steps in a book, explained each step, put the F word in it a bunch of times and then sold it. Is

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[00:20:44] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:20:44] uh, he was addicted to heroin and crack, I think cocaine.

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[00:20:49] Mike Lambert: [00:20:49] don't know anything about Russell brand, but

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[00:21:00] Mike Lambert: [00:21:00] addiction, but, and then he plays like an addict or?

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[00:21:04] Sarah Marshall? Yeah. He, that was like seven years after he was sober or something. Yeah. But anyway, I'm a

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[00:21:12] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:21:12] Yeah. Probably. Well, not really. He's not that good. I don't think so. No, he's a good

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[00:21:21] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:21:21] I don't, I don't love him as a leading man because I'm like, I don't know.

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[00:21:33] Mike Lambert: [00:21:33] Lambert. Yeah. Yeah. You should be an extra that, like, I don't know, like a garbage dump or something. No, no,

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[00:21:42] Yeah. Yeah. It was more like a Rafi

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[00:21:44] Mike Lambert: [00:21:44] Rafi. Which one is he? He's the one that like craps out the booze. He's a Roxanne's brother.

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[00:21:57] Mike Lambert: [00:21:57] Yeah. That's just who he reminds me.

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[00:22:03] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:22:03] Yeah. Yeah. He had a podcast with this guy, Matt something, and they were very, very British and that's a worst. I like it. I like, I like accents. I like having to work a little bit.

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[00:22:35] It's like, no, what? It's listen to it, listen to it. And you

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[00:22:44]Mike Lambert: [00:22:44] When I'm at work, I pretty much have a wireless headphone and it's just playing, like I have like five, six podcasts I listened to.

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[00:22:54] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:22:54] Okay. So I used to be, yeah, I haven't really, since I started this podcast, you have a lot going on now. I [00:23:00] have not had nearly as much time to listen to podcasts. So you're

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[00:23:04] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:23:04] Yeah. It actually makes me feel more inspired when I'm listening to them because I'm like, oh shit.

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[00:23:11]Mike Lambert: [00:23:11] Podcasts pulled me out of a really deep depression. Really. That's cool. It really, it kinda like, like I was thinking I was crazy for a little bit, and then I like. You know, as listening to people who are talking about their stuff. And like, I was like, wow, I'm not that fucked up, I guess.

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[00:24:02]Jeff Nesbitt: [00:24:02] Yeah. Dude.

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[00:24:04] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:24:04] days. Yeah.

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[00:24:10] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:24:10] Yeah. I know. Very few. I tried to do a father's day episode where I was going to like have record a bunch of different people telling us like a 10 minute story about their dad.

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[00:24:34] Mike Lambert: [00:24:34] I think you'd have to be a certain age before you can really appreciate your dad.

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[00:24:44] Mike Lambert: [00:24:44] percolate.

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[00:25:07] Like, um, I don't see her very often. Like I actually saw him, my brother died a few years ago and saw her then, but I don't really have any contact with her, but my dad and I like, so I lived with him for a few years and then like, we had a falling out, like he didn't know how to be a dad and didn't really want to.

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[00:25:44] I just kind of had this feeling like I had to take this opportunity to at least see who I am, because at the point I was lost. Yeah. I was like, man, you did some bad, in my eyes you did bad things to me. But you know, especially now that I'm a dad and I wasn't a dad then, but I was [00:26:00] like, Like I had no idea who I was like, I was trying to be someone who I wasn't like trying really hard, like to be somebody that, and I think everyone around me saw that like saw that I wasn't trying to be, I don't know.

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[00:26:28] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:26:28] And you were just running away from who you really are.

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[00:26:47] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:26:47] um, and how did becoming a father change you?

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[00:27:25] And, , it basically I'd given like just didn't really care. Like I'd pretty much given up my, you know, my financial life and everything, just content with doing what I was doing, you know, working shitty jobs and not needing a lot of money and just didn't care. And. Yeah. And then when I had a kid, I was like, oh, this is what it's about.

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[00:28:11] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:28:11] wasn't doing.

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[00:28:14] Mike Lambert: [00:28:14] people. Yeah, no, absolutely. Like just getting back to, yeah, just in back to your roots. That's what it was. And so like when my dad died, I was back here. I dropped out of school, um, my senior year and had like one semester to go and just said, fuck it.

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[00:28:41] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:28:41] I learned to just, you needed to know,

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[00:28:55] Okay. Um, so pretty much the [00:29:00] rhetoric side of the communication. So like speech side, um, public speaking, part of that, , So, and I would do good in like my major classes, but I was going to a Christian university and that was really a challenge. I was not religious growing up.

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[00:29:17] Mike Lambert: [00:29:17] I wanted to play golf. And then so, um, they gave me an opportunity to play golf and I took it and flushed it down the toilet I played for a couple of years. And that was

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[00:29:30] Mike Lambert: [00:29:30] Not really. Did you

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[00:29:35] Mike Lambert: [00:29:35] Yeah. Maybe I was like, good enough.

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[00:29:58] I overthink things and I [00:30:00] sit there and I'll stew over things. If I have something that goes against what I want to do, I'll sit there and like I'll warp it and warp it and warp it in my mind until it's like, oh wait, I can do that. And it'll make sense. Yeah. You do these little mind games.

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[00:30:17] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:30:17] You have, do you have the rage? Oh, dear. Like Ben, has your temper gotten you into

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[00:30:27]Jeff Nesbitt: [00:30:27] Is it, have you ever done something in public? Where you're you let that out?

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[00:30:36] Mike Lambert: [00:30:36] about it? I, I have lots. Um, there's like serious regrets. Like, I've lost my temper. I lose my temper on a regular basis.

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[00:30:50] Mike Lambert: [00:30:50] made a fool?

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[00:31:13] I was like, motherfucker, like swung at him. Like we went flying across the dining room, table and stuff and it felt super bad. Like that's super embarrassing. Well,

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[00:31:23] Mike Lambert: [00:31:23] guys. Yeah. I mean the, not the nice, like a Teddy bear, like a cuddly little, super

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[00:31:30] Mike Lambert: [00:31:30] I've never spoken like, yeah.

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[00:31:45] And my face. Yeah, it doesn't feel good. No, it's the first time I've ever been hit hard where I had like, like a noticeably messed up face for a little bit. And that pretty much stopped. I was like, then I started watching the UFC and I was like, man, I'm never fighting anyone ever again, [00:32:00] I'm going to die.

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[00:32:05] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:32:05] No, some of them are in disguise of a normal person would walk up and it's like, oh

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[00:32:25] And are there, do you still struggle with it? Yeah. Yeah. It's a, it's a daily battle. Like now I have like small, like it's, it's a series of small bursts until something triggers me and like it's always like a volcano and then it just, it just explodes. And if there's alcohol involved. It's sorry I gave you cut that shit out of your life.

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[00:32:49] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:32:49] See, dude, that's such a bad problem to have that. You have

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[00:33:03] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:33:03] Pleasant. It's not like you're sitting down with, to have a conversation with somebody who you have tension with it, then you would know to, to modulate

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[00:33:27] Like he would know the right things to say, like, I remember fricking running over to his house in the middle of the night. Cause he had texted me something and I like, we are already heated. Like I had said something to him and like he had said something to me and then he waited until the right moment and said the right thing.

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[00:33:55] I cry. Like I go down, I usually try and go alone and my family knows. [00:34:00] Tasha. She knows to leave me alone. My mom knows. Just, just let me go. Like, if I'm, if I'm seeing, like, if I'm in that place, just let me go.

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[00:34:14] At one point you definitely

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[00:34:18] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:34:18] and where it was directed at me. And I was confused. I don't know, maybe

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[00:34:25] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:34:25] like high school, like around the time when, um, I had that blue and white pickup. Yeah. We were, we

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[00:34:35] Yeah. I lost my temper then. Cause like my mom came up and like the next day. And remember they came up that night.

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[00:34:54] Mike Lambert: [00:34:54] So you'll never know how bad I felt about that because it was like, shut up. It it's your fault. [00:35:00] Well, no, it was, it was kind of, yeah, it was my fault. Um, that was, I was like super excited to go. I was like the first time my parents ever let me like go do something. Like I'm sure. Like, it was everyone's like, I mean, it wasn't like CJ had done a bunch of stuff like that.

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[00:35:18] Mike Lambert: [00:35:18] everyone was like pretty green and like, everyone was like acting like they knew what the fuck was going on. And so like my parents, the only way they were going to let me go is like, if they knew where I was at.

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[00:35:37] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:35:37] name of the spot.

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[00:35:50] It's like, I told them how to go like salmon Creek. And, uh, I tried to make like some wrong turns and shit. And it's just like, no one goes over there. Like that all [00:36:00] came out the funniest part about, well, the whole thing's funny. The whole thing is funny. I lost my temper the next day. Like I got a flat tire on the way down.

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[00:36:11] Mike Lambert: [00:36:11] because I got a F yeah. I definitely got a flat tire on the way down. And I had already been up and down. Cause I remember taking Cody and Colton home, like in the middle of the trip, that's like, cause they had to go to work and they weren't going to get to go.

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[00:36:36] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:36:36] We were a bunch of teenagers, 16, 17 years old. And we're out in the woods, we're in the woods doing work hard. Anybody know they should have left our beer, but we, we had built that little, why

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[00:36:49] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:36:49] start running like stone ice chest out in the Creek? All the beers were,

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[00:36:55] Like I remember not wrecking. I remember thinking it was a game warden and I was like, I [00:37:00] was going to run. And years later I'm thinking about it. Like maybe tell him the story about it or something. I've told it a hundred times, but I remember thinking that I was like, yeah, dude, I was stupid. Cause my truck was parked there.

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[00:37:12] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:37:12] They already saw you. Okay.

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[00:37:19]Jeff Nesbitt: [00:37:19] You did. Because I think your mom got out of the car

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[00:37:35] And so like I'm skipping rocks. They come up with like, Hey Michael, what are you doing? I'm like, Hey, we're camping. She's like, let me smell your breath. Like, I couldn't even breathe. I was just like so scared. And like, I was like, oh man, like, everyone's going to hate me. I was such a bad kid. I thought drinking.

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[00:38:05] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:38:05] Seriously. And I, I share annoyed about being trash. I don't want to be trash.

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[00:38:14] Mike Lambert: [00:38:14] I realized that like, I don't need, like, I wear dirty clothes. Like all my clothes are stained on purpose. Like I don't wear only stain stuff

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[00:38:25] Mike Lambert: [00:38:25] I just get shit on my, on my clothes. I work in, you know, I'm doing construction. Yeah. Like, you know, I'm just going to get dirty.

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[00:38:39] Mike Lambert: [00:38:39] So you want to hear the funniest part about that whole camping story?

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[00:39:02] And, uh, so we go there and there's, you know, growing up and seeing that it's like, cool. It's like, oh, that's where the men go. And they drink whiskey and like tell stories about all kinds of stuff do man stuff. So I was like, you know, what better place to turn 21. I was like, let's can we just have a barbecue?

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[00:39:32] That was from our camping trip. What? Yeah, the leftover leftovers, the leftover half gallon of vodka. They kept the bottle.

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[00:39:45] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:39:45] D. What is that? I don't even know what river distillery.

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[00:39:58] Mike Lambert: [00:39:58] been the punchline. Like when [00:40:00] I tell this story, I'm like, we were so good. Like I don't even really leaving.

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[00:40:18] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:40:18] So unlike my mom, my mom's not a conspirator. I don't know how she ended up. She thought I was so cool. She knew what was getting fucked up and she would not have it.

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[00:40:36] And it's like just rattling. Yeah.

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[00:40:49] Mike Lambert: [00:40:49] There was, there was like enough to get, you know, five, 16 year olds drunk again.

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[00:40:55] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:40:55] I'll tell you,

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[00:41:03] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:41:03] of it.

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[00:41:07] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:41:07] much fun. Yeah. It's awesome. We've got a spot out and they sell on the river that are just a family friend. Lets us go camp out. It's really fun.

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[00:41:17]Mike Lambert: [00:41:17] You mentioned that you started,

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[00:41:21] Mike Lambert: [00:41:21] So like I started hunting a little bit when I was a kid, like 15, I think 14 or 15 I started, but I didn't take it seriously. You ever get anything? Uh, no, no, no.

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[00:41:38] And he was still kind of going out there a little bit and then I kind of like screwed him over one time. Yeah. Just blew him off to go do something else. When I was really young and then he never asked me to go again. Like they never, then I was like left out of the hunting group in the family for awhile.

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[00:42:09] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:42:09] So cultural stuff and the family stuff, but it, the meat is the highest quality meat you can get.

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[00:42:17] Mike Lambert: [00:42:17] a lot of mouths to feed. So an elk goes a long ways. Yeah. Um, so anyways, when I moved back from college and went through all that with my biological father and like, you know, kind of discovered myself, I was like, oh, I'm gonna start hunting again.

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[00:42:44] Yeah. Horrible. Yeah. So like I'd asked a lot of people and I would ask friends, Hey, do you want to go hunting with me? And like weird feeling, we would do it. And like, I went with guys who didn't take it seriously. And it made me uncomfortable. You're never going to get anything except maybe killed. No, I'm like exactly.

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[00:43:19] And they just were like, whatever, you got to figure it out, kid and sucks. Yeah.

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[00:43:26] Mike Lambert: [00:43:26] seven years walking around, trying to figure it out and learning on my own reading, uh, studying, listening, you know, just trying to get an edge and there's no, there's no resources for this area.

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[00:43:49] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:43:49] people who live here have it and they pass it on to their crew and that's it. Yeah.

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[00:43:53] Mike Lambert: [00:43:53] shunned if you try and share it like that. Commercially. Yeah. Um, so [00:44:00] anyways, so this guy. I finally got them to like start coming out with me and now he's like, you can't really get around, but he tries, he likes to go down there. It's just a well of knowledge, just a well and knowledge. Like, like not like, Hey, if you go around this corner, you're going to shoot something but knowledge about the lay of the land and how the land is watering hole down here.

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[00:44:42] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:44:42] time.

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[00:44:45] Mike Lambert: [00:44:45] Um, I use a combination. I use Onyx for, um, for property lines and I use just Google earth mostly because they have the best photos. Um, and they're updated more often. So you're more likely to find. You [00:45:00] know, current logging. Cause that's the big thing is you want to find the logging and, you know, see what's current, what age things are at.

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[00:45:25] Yeah. So there's things like that. And a lot of guys, so a lot of guys will use that and then use walkie talkies and whatnot to communicate. But I'm kind of out there by myself doing my thing. Me too usually. Yeah. How'd you get into it?

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[00:46:00] And so like friends of my parents would give us meat or, or my dad would do body work for it. And so we had wild game in the freezer. So you liked, you liked it? Oh yeah. And uh, I've always just had a fascination. Harvesting from nature. Like the idea of taking something that's just there. Like, it's just there, you just take it and then you incorporate it into your life and it literally becomes you.

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[00:46:45] And

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[00:46:48] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:46:48] ones are not fun to pay, um, because

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[00:46:54] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:46:54] It is. And I think it will change. I really do

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[00:47:01] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:47:01] you might not need to .

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[00:47:03] Yeah. There's some pretty, I'm really interested in that just for like mental health purposes. Yeah. Just as like a maintenance, just like a, just a maintenance type like I think it could work for like someone with anger problems.

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[00:47:17] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:47:17] Yeah. The same way that steroids work. If you want to build muscle, you know, you, you need to take them, but also lift weights. Like you could do the, do the microdosing, but also you need to do the self work. Like you gotta, you gotta be able to identify when things are going to trigger you.

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[00:47:33]I hummed with a 30 out six, uh, Springfield really? Yeah.

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[00:47:39] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:47:39] You're born to be a podcast for me. I look at you interviewing me. Um, but yeah, it did. So my, this I've had this gun my entire life. It was my great grandpa's gun and he gave it to my grandpa Stanton.

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[00:48:08] Where to get set, like settled and yeah. yeah, I remember the way it felt in my, like, firing that thing. I still, it goes through my head every time I fired the gun now. And it's just like, all that's connected. It's all makes it very special, and it's got a black Walnut stock and it's been all refinished now it's, it's

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[00:48:27] I have a gun. , that's very old like that, that maybe I've created the story, but , it came to me in a special way and, , not anything heritage, but that's what I want. Like I want to give it to my son and you know, both of them I have to and let, let both of them use it to hunt and have them like, be able to give that away and , that'd be so cool.

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[00:48:53] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:48:53] It is. I think it's cool too. I didn't even target shoot really until, until I was getting ready to hunt. But like I never, I just [00:49:00] didn't even, it was just like something that was, I knew it was special to me, but I didn't really know why, but now that I've actually like packed that thing around the forest for hours and hours and hours, and I've killed a deer with it.

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[00:49:13] Mike Lambert: [00:49:13] a deer? Did you digitally hunt deer or did you have,

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[00:49:31] Yeah. I put none. I basically just like decided last minute to try to get

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[00:49:53] I got soaked and miserable and you know, whatever. . But yeah, it's, you definitely have to put in the [00:50:00] time from what I've learned, I'm obviously like not an ex. I have a one animal and that's all I need loop, but I've been hunting for seven years. I've been hiking my fucking ass off for seven years.

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[00:50:29] Oh yeah. That's how I feel. And I know people who hunt easier areas and it's like, I've, I've just always been drawn to the harder hunts because lower competition, lower competition , dude, I hate when I get somewhere and I see this old dude out there and I'm like, how the hell did you get here?

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[00:51:01] I'm like, wow, she's serious. This is unbelievable. Blame. Yeah.

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[00:51:12] Mike Lambert: [00:51:12] relatively new to it too. .

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[00:51:18]Mike Lambert: [00:51:18] He doesn't even really hunt. Well, he, he pays me, it pays a shitload of money to go on spectacular hunts.

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[00:51:43] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:51:43] Meat Eater?

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[00:52:01] Absolutely. It seems like his, his main motivation is to increase awareness and, the right way to hunt here.

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[00:52:21] And I don't know, I think he spends most of his time. Down in the desert. I'm not sure where he is in Eugene. Yeah. Kim Haynes lives in Eugene. Yeah. Yeah. Which is weird. Yeah. I was just there. Yeah. I love this is my second home. I love that. I have a cool town. I have a deep, deep affection for that place.

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[00:52:42] Mike Lambert: [00:52:42] Hayward field. Have you been to it for like events?

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[00:52:54] Mike Lambert: [00:52:54] ago. Is that before they renovated

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[00:53:02] Uh, so we had to go to a different one, but yeah, that place

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[00:53:05] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:53:05] It really is. You can feel the energy in there. Yeah.

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[00:53:16] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:53:16] that's one of my favorite things to watch track Olympic track trials, because that's like the culmination of so much work, just the amount, the sheer amount of hours.

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[00:53:32] Mike Lambert: [00:53:32] was there for the event. And then they do something great and most people don't even understand how great what they do is they

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[00:53:51] Just to show you guys

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[00:54:08] I

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[00:54:14] Mike Lambert: [00:54:14] me. Try some runner, like serious runner out there. Like you fucking idiot.

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[00:54:25] I did. Yeah. I did track. I did track in junior and senior year. I ran

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[00:54:34] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:54:34] Did you, do you did drama that, that year? Huh? After you?

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[00:54:40] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:54:40] was fun. You were great, man.

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[00:55:05] And

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[00:55:29] She's a good woman. She, she pretty much called me out on my shit and was like, look, you can do the work or you can not do the work. And you can be here every summer and not graduate and, you know, whatever. And I was like, or, and she's like, oh, you can just do this work. And so I started doing the work and I started.

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[00:56:03] Maybe I might've been trying to impress someone. I can't remember. Well, you impressed me, but yeah, I got a lot of compliments for that and I was shocked because like, up until like opening day, I didn't even know my, all my lines. Like I was like writing shit down on my hand. Like, I'm sure I have a picture somewhere, but I had like paragraphs written on my hands.

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[00:56:20] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:56:20] that's the thing I that's, I think that's why I was surprised because I knew he was kinda like a blow blow shit off lotion off kind of guy. Yeah. And you had a shit load of lines in LA

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[00:56:35] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:56:35] learned. In that play from your, from your part about waste motions, do you remember talking about waste motions?

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[00:56:45] Mike Lambert: [00:56:45] productivity expert. That was the career in the play. And so like, there was a bunch of jargon like that. I was like, yeah, I found it. It was always time in the kids, like in and out and yeah, it's weird. And it's all coming back to me now, but

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[00:57:03] An arm or something. And you're like talking about the difference between strokes this direction or this something, I don't remember

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[00:57:13] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:57:13] and I was just like, holy shit, my mind is

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[00:57:19] I was just memorizing a

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[00:57:21] Mike Lambert: [00:57:21] Martin. Uh, well they may not know. Well, there's a movie from back in the day. That's more, more correct to the play. Um, the Steve Martin play was like, um, a modernization of the idea of having 12 kids as nothing to do in the movie. He's a football coach and in the play he's a, or in the old movie in play, he's a productivity.

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[00:57:44] Mike Lambert: [00:57:44] Yeah. Like a productivity expert is not going to be more commercially sold than a football coach. And in college football you can make more stories out of a college football coach. Yeah.

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[00:57:57] Mike Lambert: [00:57:57] about that.

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[00:58:04] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:58:04] play. Was it? I was more productive after watching it. Where

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[00:58:08] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:58:08] good Rachel shout out cheaper by the dozen by

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[00:58:14] It's not like, it's not like one of my highlights. Yeah,

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[00:58:18] Mike Lambert: [00:58:18] dumbest shit is my top 10. What are you,

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[00:58:22] Mike Lambert: [00:58:22] Um, mostly just dumb, my like dumb things. I, the things I had. Cause like my life's so much better now, I guess, more fulfilling now that I look back and like, ah, that was fun.

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[00:58:39] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:58:39] mixing it up. Yeah. Um, the car accident, you were in a horrific car accident when we were kids and, um, that had to be pretty impactful.

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[00:58:52] Mike Lambert: [00:58:52] Yeah. Oh man, that, that is, yeah, that impacted me in a lot of ways. At [00:59:00] first it impacted me. I mean, obviously superficial cause I got hurt and I obviously hurt someone else really bad. Um, gotcha. Should I say who was with me? Casey marsh. Shout out Casey marsh. Yeah. Doing all right buddy.

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[00:59:35] It made it, I mean, it really made it, so I didn't want to drive, but that was like nothing. It's a PTSD. What? Yeah. Severe, like, I'd be in the passenger seat and like gripping as soon as someone like shifted in their lane a little bit. Yeah. And then like, I didn't even want to drive. I, when I drove again, I had to get a car with airbags.

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[00:59:53] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:59:53] you know, you're hurling through space at a obscene speed. It's not an, it's not a crazy reaction. The crazy thing is that we're [01:00:00] all

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[01:00:11] Um, then when I quit that job and decided to go to college, I was living down in Eugene. So this is like probably two years after that car wreck. Um, I thought everything was done. I got a call from a lawyer. Then my parents got a call from a lawyer and said, oh, we're going to go to court. And there's a lawsuit being filed.

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[01:00:53]You know, this is all getting brought up again. So now you're going back to court and dealing with this thing. It's like, man. So I'm like thinking I'm over [01:01:00] this thing. And then all of a sudden I'm dealing with this. I'm like, wow, this kid was really fucked up or, you know, really ruined his life. I would imagine he might not think about it that way, but what

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[01:01:11] Mike Lambert: [01:01:11] So we were going to golf practice. We'd just gotten out of school. We'd stopped by his place. Got some stuff stopped by my place, got some stuff, Casey, add some snacks or something. I was chewing gum. I went to go throw my gum out the window and just, just happened to swerve over enough to catch a telephone pole.

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[01:01:29] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:01:29] this is on a narrow two lane road, average Sandridge so it's not like the

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[01:01:45] I don't know. I had my one hand, I was rolling down the window, you know, before they had real windows and uh, Just fucking hit that pole, man. I remember it's like a bomb went off and uh, when I came to, like, I actually ran, I don't know how I ran, [01:02:00] but I ran to a house pounded on the door and then ran back.

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[01:02:26] And then I went out and then I remember like came to in the hospital, Casey screaming dude, then the next, next room over. And like, I couldn't, people were coming in. Like my girlfriend came in, my mom came in. I would want to talk to anyone. I didn't want to, I wanted to die at that time, dude. Like just it was so bad.

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[01:03:08] And I, you know, I had a hard time walking and stuff, but I wasn't, it wasn't like nothing like him. He, he got a bad, yeah, yeah. They had to use a jaws to get them out. It broke most of his bones, I think, lost all of his teeth. It's such a sad, sad deal. Um, yeah, that's one of the things I would try and block out.

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[01:03:40] I'm going to get super serious with you for a second. Um, so I told you about my biological parents a little bit, and I live with my mom, so my mom was a drug addict and uh, she lived down in Modesto, California, and I lived with her and she lived kind of all over, mostly homeless, just like bouncing from place to place.

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[01:04:18] Yep. It

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[01:04:21] Mike Lambert: [01:04:21] So, you know, when you're a kid, you just kind of go along with things. And, uh, when I was about seven or eight. Say eight. My mom had started running drugs. Like, I don't know if it was for the cartel or what I didn't, you know, I wasn't old enough to know, but I know that she was leaving for days at a time.

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[01:04:58] And I [01:05:00] remember, um, I wanted to go somewhere else. I didn't want to stay at the house. I had like this weird thing going on. I was like, I gotta get the fuck out of this house. You know, eight years old. I didn't say fuck. But yeah know, I gotta get out of this house. And it's like, it's hard to explain that part because like, , this is a drug addicts life.

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[01:05:31] And the neighbors, like, I remember playing with the kids and , this one neighbor, like, they hated my mom. , they didn't want this druggy and the, in the thing I like I'd always go over there and the fucking guy would give these kids popsicles, probably a pedophile, but he wouldn't give me a Popsicle.

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[01:05:55] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:05:55] I bet. Live in a closet. Nobody taking care of you.

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[01:06:04] Like he gave everyone popsicles. I was like, yeah, eventually I'm going to get my Popsicle

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[01:06:12] Mike Lambert: [01:06:12] And maybe that was it. He's like, man, I'm not gonna be able to fuck this kid. You know, his phone is off limits. Yeah. Tough kid.

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[01:06:38] Look over and fucking door comes flying in. Like the height of bed was in the front room and the bathroom was like this like front room, then bathroom. And then a little hallway back to this other bedroom and run in one dude jumps on the height of bed and puts a gun to my head. Two other dudes run over, start searching the house.

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[01:07:17] You know, they're going to kill us right here. And I'm eight years old. It's like, I'm only enough to know what's going on and why these people are here. And they keep telling her where's the dope, where's the money. Where's the dope. Where's the money. What I didn't know is that her and her friend who were in this little operation, they had like ripped off the, whoever they were working for some I'm sure they were running down to Mexico, like Arizona, like on the border and then kept bringing it back up into California.

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[01:08:07] I'll shoot up. Blah, blah, blah. So

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[01:08:11] Mike Lambert: [01:08:11] a person. No, no, this is just, just a chore. Just shut up, you know, mind your business. so when they left, like they just left, like she said something to make them leave. And I don't like, I remember a little bit, but I'm not sure. I don't remember what she said, but she said something to make them leave.

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[01:08:46] And uh, I was like, oh man, we got it. So I'm like crawling. I crawl over to my mom. I take her back to the bedroom. I make her crawl out of the window. She's like messed up, bleeding out her forehead, like super messed up and uh, [01:09:00] drug her out of the window. I pretty much freaked out that we're going to get blown away.

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[01:09:22] My mom's like, no, let's just go. Let's just go. It's fine. Let's just go. I'm bang. He comes to the door. I'm like, Hey dude, these guys just robbed us, broke into our house. And fucking guy was like, can we use your phone? Like I need to call someone. And, uh, my brother who passed away at his grandma lived in the same town.

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[01:09:56] I'm like, are you serious, dude? Jeez. So I could [01:10:00] grab my mom and I'm like eight year old dragging my mom down the street. And every time a car would like every once in a while a car would come, I'd be freaked out that there were the eyes that there's like serious gang problems in this town. So like, you just didn't want anyone to see you at night ever.

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[01:10:25] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:10:25] but also kind of hiding

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[01:10:30] I remember calling collect and my brother's grandma finally came and picked us up and like. That night, there was always like 12, 15 people living at this like seriously, like trash people. But like, so there's always, these peoples had to go like sleep on the floor, like, uh, next to two other people who I barely knew that I just played with once in a while, like, there'd be all these grownups that lived there who were, you know, her kids or her nephew or niece.

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[01:11:34] I'm like, I don't ever, they had mass on dude. Like, I don't remember anything. Yeah. Like they had guns and mass, like you've shown me a dude with a gun in the mask. That's the dude. Oh, I'm sure they had somebody ready for you. I, you know, I don't know what I said. Maybe I sent someone to prison. I don't know,

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[01:11:49] There's a good chance that, I mean, I wouldn't say you send somebody to prison, but that's a ready opportunity for them to fuck over. That's exactly a common tactic.

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[01:12:06] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:12:06] kid here who could put somebody away for him, they're going to bring it up.

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[01:12:27] My biological mom, not my mom now. Um, and uh, I turned on her. I pretty much didn't want anything to do with her at that point. I said, I want to go back to Washington. I didn't know my dad, my real dad. I didn't know him. I knew of them, but like I knew my grandpa and I knew my brother was here. And like, I was like, you know, I want to go to Washington.

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[01:13:09] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:13:09] He puts that in really clear perspective to me. Yeah.

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[01:13:23] I was like, Hmm. You know, I didn't really have any structure until all the Sheldons took me in. And then I had some structure, but yeah. You know, it was enough. Yeah. It was enough. It was more than enough. I mean, there's the most generous people in the world they've taken some fucking homeless, homeless kid, you know, that's really something special.

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[01:13:43] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:13:43] good family. Well, who can do something like that for a fellow human there, those are one in a million people.

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[01:13:51] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:13:51] you know? Yeah. Dude, I didn't not know that story and it really, really shines a light on [01:14:00] so much about

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[01:14:02] I, you know, I know people that were close to me, you know, my, my girlfriend knows and you know, a couple people from my past and uh, some people, you know, I've told parts too. And you know, that's an easy story just cause like, like undoubtedly I've had to run that over my head, like

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[01:14:22] And imagine all the times it runs without you knowing

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[01:14:29] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:14:29] Young and some trauma, like that happens to you. It is imprinted on you

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[01:14:39] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:14:39] yeah. And did they just go away or did you learn till they went

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[01:14:46] Like they tried to send me to like, so another part of growing up like that is you learned a lie. Yeah. And you learned a lie as, as, as a priority, not a priority, [01:15:00] like a necessity. So like, I could never get shit. I could never go to school. She always would tell me, like, if you tell anyone that I'm a drug addict, they'll take you away and you'll live in a foster or an orphanage.

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[01:15:42] I was, I was always her picked a lot, but my dad wasn't lacer picker. And then he had like this kid show up who was nine years old, who he didn't have anything to do with for nine years. And

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[01:15:54] Mike Lambert: [01:15:54] year old, who'd been through some fucking trauma. And like, like, like I looked back like, had I [01:16:00] not moved up here?

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[01:16:06] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:16:06] dude. I really I'm like dumbfounded. That's so cool.

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[01:16:23] Like there's no reason those guys didn't kill us. They hadn't, they would've got away with it. Yeah. It was just another ghetto mother and kid, you know, they had no reason not to. Um,

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[01:16:37] Mike Lambert: [01:16:37] Yeah. Um, I, I am. anti-Christian

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[01:16:47] Some things, some energy.

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[01:16:53] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:16:53] time really quickly. Let me put a bow on that top. Okay. Um, there are certain parts about you that have always [01:17:00] been an enigma to me because you're like just talking to you. You're you're obviously like an intelligent, , thoughtful person.

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[01:17:24] And most of my life now I'm realizing like when you were a lump of clay, you were formed by this world into a person who needs to make sure you are taking care of your fucking self. And that, that makes you really easy. I mean, and makes you an angry person. I think it makes you ready to defend yourself at, at the slightest need.

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[01:18:04] Like, as you're just looking at your own behavior and looking at your own life and seeing how, when things are this way, you feel good. And when things are this way, you feel bad. And , it all just seems like all those puzzle pieces fit together to create this person. And that's really special.

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[01:18:48] That's exactly how I would've responded a little fucker. That's

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[01:18:54]Mike Lambert: [01:18:54] The kids blow me away every day, but whenever like them like coaching [01:19:00] them on losing their temper has been probably the best thing for me. And you can't bullshit, dude.

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[01:19:09] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:19:09] well, I'm sure she gets the worst of it,

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[01:19:23] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:19:23] no, dude, I feel like that actually connected the dots really well.

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[01:19:33] Mike Lambert: [01:19:33] and you don't, I mean, you can't explain that to everyone and you know yeah. And there's, I don't know. I definitely have good friends that I don't talk to. And probably can't talk.

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[01:20:10] I was

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[01:20:23] Mike Lambert: [01:20:23] have been said or when you like, yeah. Like, cause there's there's people who probably know yeah.

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[01:20:39] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:20:39] problem. Yeah. But I'm definitely the type of person to bite my tongue when, when I need to.

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[01:20:57] Mike Lambert: [01:20:57] My girlfriend. I like when we first got together, like that was a hard [01:21:00] thing for her.

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[01:21:21] We like a little TIFF, like I was hanging out with my younger brother and like, we ended up at the bar and had a few drinks. I came home a few hours. I forgot my phone at home. It's like, she knew I forgot my phone, but she didn't go. There's no phone with anyone else. I'm like, well, no, we're golfing and drinking.

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[01:21:52] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:21:52] believe you were wrong?

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[01:21:57] Mike Lambert: [01:21:57] Yeah, no, I w yeah, [01:22:00] no, always

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[01:22:12] I got distracted. I didn't think to call. I really should have first.

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[01:22:31] How are they being shitty? Uh, and just being a smug fuck, I

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[01:22:40] Mike Lambert: [01:22:40] Not really. No, the details are definitely, and I don't want to bring it up too much. Cause cause then someone might call me on the way home and be like motherfuckers, even though this isn't live, you know what I mean?

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[01:23:06] And uh, then that was fine. And then they're like, well you need to apologize. I'm like, no, I am not apologizing. I will never apologize. And he's lucky. That's the only thing that happened. And like, so that kind of immature attitude is not like that. That's just kind of who I am.

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[01:23:27] I could

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[01:23:41] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:23:41] You forget.

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[01:23:52] Mike Lambert: [01:23:52] I'm pretty sure. I th I thought you hated me. And then one time I ran into you at pioneer. And I was like, uh, I think you had just gotten married, it was like [01:24:00] the middle of the night. And it was like, w it was like, oh, we didn't mean to run into each other, but we had to like, say hi, but then you were like, oh yeah. Hey man. Well, it's always a plan. I'm like, I'm like, oh, well, I wasn't sure.

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[01:24:26] There was a lot of things that happened at that party that, uh, were more important than seeing Jeff, but not really did not really. There are more important things. Uh, the only time I remember seeing it was in, like I said, Humboldt, I went to see the Luke. Oh, that's right.

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[01:24:49] Mike Lambert: [01:24:49] education for 10

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[01:24:57] People are tired of it. Yeah. Yeah. I'm [01:25:00] tired of it. Mostly.

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[01:25:09] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:25:09] Didn't do much for dos.

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[01:25:14] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:25:14] didn't really make much of a

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[01:25:16] Not much, but it has for other things. Yeah.

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[01:25:24] Mike Lambert: [01:25:24] weeks. Yeah.

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[01:25:34] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:25:34] do. I would love to. Are you going to do it? I don't think so. I decided to podcast instead and I like it. It's it's so far it has completely open mic. I don't know where I would do it. Make one.

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[01:25:48] I bet you can go to Portland on any given night.

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[01:25:55] Mike Lambert: [01:25:55] I love standup too. Who's your favorite?

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[01:26:07] Did he did a crowd work special that he put out a special, that was just him talking to the audience. Brilliant. Clearly improv and that like put them on the map to a lot of people.

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[01:26:21] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:26:21] I haven't seen it. I was just watching this show the other day called crashing, where it's like about a standup comedian.

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[01:26:34] Mike Lambert: [01:26:34] but I like him a lot. Is he your guy? Um, no, but he is interesting right now. Who's the funniest comedian working. Oh, I like your deal on a, on a Schultz. I like Tim Dylan, but he's not everyone's flavor.

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[01:26:56] Mike Lambert: [01:26:56] His, I, there's not a lot out right now.

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[01:27:01] Mike Lambert: [01:27:01] got, there's so many funny. I just like him. Cause he's, he's so bombastic. He's like, it's almost like he's trying to become Trump. It's like, it looks so much like Trump. He was, he was at the Beto conference Bitcoin conference.

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[01:27:21] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:27:21] in heaven. He loves him and tall drink of water.

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[01:27:28] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:27:28] I do. Yeah. I think, I don't know that. I believe it really I've seen him fucking

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[01:27:33] Well, I haven't seen him. Fuck a dude either to Shea. Yeah. You show me I'm fucking, a dude

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[01:27:42] Mike Lambert: [01:27:42] also a character. Yeah. But get this. Would he be, are you able to say some of the stuff he says so freely if he was a straight white man who looked like he does? I think so,

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[01:27:57] Mike Lambert: [01:27:57] all the time.

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[01:28:05] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:28:05] Well, I know, but the. He doesn't. I don't know. It just doesn't seem to lean into it as much as he could, if you want it. Good.

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[01:28:15]Jeff Nesbitt: [01:28:15] Chris? the Stefano. Is way gayer than Tim Dylan.

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[01:28:22] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:28:22] Yeah.

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[01:28:27] Hub's my classic guy. Yeah. He's I like

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[01:28:33] Mike Lambert: [01:28:33] Yeah. That's a really shitty podcast too. I don't listen to like a super terrible really. Um, I just heard one. Oh, The King and the Sting I love the King and the Sting. Oh my God. I listened to it for the first time.

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[01:28:47]Jeff Nesbitt: [01:28:47] If I had to pick like five podcasts to do like that are my core, but king of the staying is honestly in their king of staying this past weekend and fighter and the kids.

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[01:29:03]When he, like, he was talking about how he likes to do cocaine and 5s? Um, I

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[01:29:09] Mike Lambert: [01:29:09] Oh, go on YouTube. But I do know he loves the vest, ruin the story, but he, he like does a bunch of cocaine and buys, vests online and he is wearing like two, three vests and a bunch of Coke had a music up loud.

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[01:29:27] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:29:27] Um, I, me and my brother went and saw him in Portland. Oh really? Um, two years ago. Really? Yeah. It was fun. He puts on a good show, but there's drunk lady in the front row.

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[01:29:49] Mike Lambert: [01:29:49] talk about it, of the things. And like, I don't know if it's a character, like, I wonder if he's like that in real life or if he's just like

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[01:29:57] I don't, I just listening to that many [01:30:00] hours of somebody talking, especially when they don't have guests, he doesn't have guests a lot. It's just him. You feel like, you know him.

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[01:30:10] Like I do bill burrs, just cause I liked his thought processes and he's another guy that like battles his anger and like stuff like that. So I listen to him every week. Cause he's always got a story about how he almost lost his shit and like, well, I, I didn't tell the lady to go fuck herself. Like

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[01:30:26] Yeah. Yeah. I like bill Burr he's growing on me more and

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[01:30:34] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:30:34] See, I, I was having a hard time with him, like, because he's, they put them on a pedestal, like so many. Cause he's a movie star now. Well, comedians reference him as like the goat and I don't think he's that

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[01:30:47] Hands down, hands down. No question. Richard Pryor than Dave Chappelle

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[01:30:58] Mike Lambert: [01:30:58] uh, oh you don't, you don't think he's [01:31:00] the

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[01:31:07] Quite a bit of it, but honestly, if some of my first standup material I ever heard, yeah, me too. Um, him and bill Cosby,

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[01:31:29] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:31:29] too.

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[01:31:48] And then everyone's going to erupt in this physical reaction where they shake all over the place and make noise. It's like, yeah,

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[01:32:04] It's all about how you, like you have to, it's not something you can just go up there and just be funny. Like you have to write it down. You have to work at it.

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[01:32:22] So you have to like get their attention in the

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[01:32:30] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:32:30] my brain goes back and forth between those two really, really easily. Sometimes I switched to fast. The heavy

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[01:32:36] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:32:36] Yeah.

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[01:32:44] Mike Lambert: [01:32:44] almost wanted to postpone it. It's just because I had such a heavy thing going on. I'm glad we didn't talk about it too much. It's like,

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[01:32:52] Mike Lambert: [01:32:52] Yeah. Yeah. I didn't expect to talk about that. I was like, thank you. Hey, I wasn't sure. Cause like, you're like, oh, I want to be funny, like joke. And I'm like, [01:33:00] well we can, but you know, sometimes that's forced and I really don't think I have a bunch of funny stories, but they're mostly just like, I don't know, drunk shit.

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[01:33:09] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:33:09] I, I like the occasional story about drunkenness or drugs and stuff because they are funny, but they're better if they teach a lesson, like if there's like, Hey look, I made all these bad choices and this is the bad shit that happened to me. And this is what I learned from it.

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[01:33:26] Mike Lambert: [01:33:26] like it's like, you're bragging a little bit about the funny hat or

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[01:33:33] Mike Lambert: [01:33:33] it's just, yeah, it just kind of depends. Yeah.

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[01:33:42] And I don't want that kind

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[01:33:57] Like I was bragging about that stuff. And it just, I was like, [01:34:00] man, this is no way to get anywhere. And like, eventually it's like, oh, well you're, you're not going anywhere. So just be a hermit, you know? And then he was just no good either. No, he started going to the little hole and then like get real sad.

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[01:34:14] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:34:14] Super sad. Loneliness is very, very

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[01:34:21] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:34:21] the number one correlate of early death. Is it really?

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[01:34:29] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:34:29] problems. I'm sure it is. There's a lot of coal variables in that.

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[01:34:35] It's yeah. I don't like to talk about it because I don't want to get red flags. I like my guy who, I don't know by anyone.

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[01:34:48] Mike Lambert: [01:34:48] I've never been diagnosed except for ADHD. Um, like I had a doctor prescribed me Adderall several times.

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[01:34:55] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:34:55] Do you think you have ADHD? Do you think ADHD exists?

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[01:35:15] And just, just go through my day. Yeah. It was probably like, I was probably like 5% better, maybe 10% on a good day. So like close

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[01:35:23] Mike Lambert: [01:35:23] Yeah. Like I can have, like, I drink an energy drink every day and it's like, it's a low sugar, like no sugar, like a thing with vitamins. It's not a red bull or rockstar or anything.

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[01:35:52] It's all dead for me.

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[01:36:13] Uh, well they all took the, they didn't know what they were getting. So it's double blind. Each one took an identical pill. Some of them were caffeine. Some of them were Adderall. Some of them were nothing and people felt better on the Adderall, but per the performance on their tasks was no different. So what they kind of.

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[01:36:39] Mike Lambert: [01:36:39] they should put some more cocaine on it.

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[01:36:46] So

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[01:36:47] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:36:47] Adderall. Yeah. It ages you like , three times faster. It feels like,

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[01:37:04] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:37:04] What is it about being young and wanting to experiment with your consciousness? I dunno. It's like a really powerful drive.

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[01:37:15] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:37:15] but he wants to get into it that I to get Sam Harris on here.

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[01:37:24] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:37:24] Oh, the electrification was when I heard,

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[01:37:33] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:37:33] guys, one of my top five

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[01:37:40] He like his, his crypto ones are good. Cause they're like, they're breaking it down and he's very good at like, okay, now let's break it down into simpleton terms. Yeah. And, uh, but he just gets too brainy. Like I've really had to listen to Sam Harris was tough

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[01:37:59] And [01:38:00] after that I get bored of his voice.

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[01:38:08] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:38:08] time in podcast life.

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[01:38:10] Anyways, um, yeah, we should probably wrap it up now. You're late.

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[01:38:15]Mike Lambert: [01:38:15] Hey, thanks for having me. I'm super glad you asked me. It's great to catch up.

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[01:38:20] Mike Lambert: [01:38:20] to make a good podcast.

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[01:38:24] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:38:24] Do they, this actually seemed more coherent than a lot of them. A lot of times it's, I'll leave here and I'm just like, I don't know what the fuck we talked

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[01:38:42] Like,

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