Its Really Not About The Cookie with Hillary Andersson

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Amelia Grace: and welcome to the another exciting episode of Ramble by the River. I am that you say the host. You're the host.

Jeff Nesbitt: I'm your host, Jeff Nesbitt, and I'm joined today by my co-host Amelia Grace Nesbitt that I wanted upside down. Okay, go ahead. How about we start over? Go ahead.

Amelia Grace: Hello. Welcome to an exciting episode of Ramble by the River.

I'm your host, Amelia Nesbitt, j Nesbitt's daughter. My whole name is Amelia Grace Nesbitt, and his whole name is Jeff Nesbitt Stanton.

Jeffrey Stanton Jeffrey. and we got a great show for today guys.

Jeff Nesbitt: That was really good.

Thank you.

Okay. How old are you, Amelia? Four. That's awesome. Wasn't your

Amelia Grace: birthday March 9th? Always. It's always been March 9th. You know that

Jeff Nesbitt: dad. Okay fine. I do. I'm just proud of you,

Amelia Grace: dad.

time. You know I can't help [: 00:01:00

Jeff Nesbitt: No, you're the same person. I'm

Amelia Grace: not. I was a baby. That's what I meant. And the audience don't even see me as a baby. Duh. I was cuter.

So stick around. And this people, my dad's P fans. This show is also gonna have some songs in it. Woo-hoo,

Jeff Nesbitt: I like that. Thanks.

Amelia Grace: I just wanted added into, they knew. Yeah. That's perfect.

Jeff Nesbitt: So Amelia, how have you been? It's been a while since you've been on the show.

Amelia Grace: I've just been busy and going to school, dad, you

Jeff Nesbitt: know That's right. You're going to school now? Yeah. How? How are you liking that? I'm

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To go to my cousins. House to go be, do pumpkin carving. That

Jeff Nesbitt: is gonna be really exciting. That is gonna be a lot of fun. Are you a big fan of Halloween? Yes, I really am. Do you know what you're gonna be for Halloween this year? Um,

Amelia Grace: yes. What poke? I mean,

Jeff Nesbitt: Moana. You're gonna be Moana? Yes. You know any of the songs for Moana?

Amelia Grace: Um, let me think,

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I've lied in the, And see. Can you call me? No one knows how far goes done. Perfect.

Jeff Nesbitt: Okay. We should probably talk about real estate, right? Houses. Yeah. I know you came prepared with some

Amelia Grace: statistics and we should also talk about America where we live. Duh.

Jeff Nesbitt: This is America.

dad, look what I'm whipping though. That to start the show. Okay. Do you own a. Or are you planning to buy a home after you fix I? You're interrupting. Yeah. Big. Oops, huh? Mm-hmm. big. Oops. Go ahead. What were you gonna say?

Amelia Grace: I was gonna say, yeah, I do own a home. You

Jeff Nesbitt: do?

And you've been doing some research, haven't you? No. On market conditions? No.

Amelia Grace: I don't know what research means.

you've been looking into it, [: 00:04:00

Amelia Grace: Um, Really? I already know a lot about my house.

Jeff Nesbitt: You do?

Amelia Grace: Yeah. So tell me some stuff. So it's red and it's right next to the place where podcasting in mm-hmm.

And, um, we also have a dog.

Jeff Nesbitt: I, If I read you some stuff, can you say it after me? Yeah. Okay. Do you own a home? Yes. No, I'm gonna, You repeat what I.

Amelia Grace: Can I just say what I wanna say? No,

Jeff Nesbitt: I

Amelia Grace: just wanna say yes

Jeff Nesbitt: or no. I'm not asking you though. I'm asking the audience. Oh, and actually you're asking the audience

oh remember? Okay. Um, okay. Do you own a home? Yes, I do. ,

Amelia Grace: I mean, why,

Jeff Nesbitt: Just repeat after me. Okay. Forgot. It's okay. Do you own a home? Do you own a home

or are you planning to buy a [: 00:05:00

Once our, Once We fix our broken economy?

Jeff Nesbitt: Well stick around

Amelia Grace: because Hillary Andersson,

One of the associates at Bree and associates, is going to give her top tips on, where to buy where, when to buy, and how to buy and where to buy. Dad, we literally just said the same thing over again.

Jeff Nesbitt: You're doing so good, Thanks.

Marker News and Current Events

Jeff Nesbitt: But first, news and current events.

Amelia Grace: I don't even know what that means,

Jeff Nesbitt: can we

Amelia Grace: cut out the blah, blah part?

Cause I, whenever, whenever time I say blah, blah. Can you cut? Yeah. Cause I do not want the audience to see me say blah, blah. Yeah,

Jeff Nesbitt: that's fine.

Up first, the CDC adds Covid 19 vaccine to the list of recommended vaccines for adults and kids. Vaccine is now approved for everyone over six months old. Um, what did you just say?

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Amelia Grace: Okay. Dad, just for you to know. I'm not gonna say that cuz it's too hard.

You don't have to say

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So, yes, including you. I don't like that. I really don't. What? I don't like the idea of giving children this vaccine. It doesn't make any sense to me. What is the point of giving it to kids?

I have no idea,

Amelia Grace: but, um, Audience that are listening to us right now. Um, we are Act I, um, am I gonna sing? I'm gonna say something that by, but that my dad didn't tell me. And I'm also going to sing when my dad didn't tell.

Jeff Nesbitt: I wanna finish this article. Okay. Um, how about after this?

You can sing a little bit. Okay.

sponsibility of making these [: 00:08:00

eastern Washington Congresswoman Kathy McMorris Rogers warned Governor Insley to not mandate the COVID 19 vaccine for children following the advisory committee on immunization practices from the cdc in the letter to Governor Insley, Kathy wrote, I write to ask that you do not mandate COVID 19 vaccines for healthy children and leave that decision to parents and their pediatrician.

Families across the state may be forced to choose between either sending their children to a public.

Making the best decision for their health. CDC has made clear that the recommendations are not indicative of support or a mandate for all children and that the decision is left to the states. However, throughout the pandemic, you have repeatedly used CDC guidance as justification

trip parents of their rights.[: 00:09:00

So what do you think about that Melia?

Amelia Grace: Um, I don't know cuz I was just playing with

Jeff Nesbitt: my fet. Oh, okay. Well this, this government lady says, Please don't make our kids have the shots. Let the parents decide. And I think that's a really good advice. Me too. Yeah. Parents should have that decision,

Amelia Grace: but I have no idea what the doctor think that I don't either.

The parent should think that can I have and can I have a drink of our bubbly water? Of course. I just don't wanna walk over and I forgot my mic was even on me

here.

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Me neither. Moving on. Kanye West, or I should say the artist formerly known as Kanye West. Current

Amelia Grace: Kanye Way. Yes. Yeah. Kanye West. Kanye

Jeff Nesbitt: West. Do you know that one, uh, song that we play in the truck? Sometimes it goes.

We don't want no devils in this house. We want the Lord. And it was

Amelia Grace: that cute stuff. I'm

Jeff Nesbitt: trying to keep my faith We on ultra light being we on an ultra beam. This is a God dream. This is a God

Amelia Grace: dream. The one where it goes, we the best Music, music, music?

Jeff Nesbitt: You know that one? They're beautiful. Oh, that's a jam. Alright, I like that.

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Jeff Nesbitt: She the woman, Nobody else.

That one? Yeah.

Amelia Grace: um, she just want can done with this stuff and I can just do my singing parts.

Jeff Nesbitt: We haven't talked about Kanye yet, huh? Actually we don't have to because I'm gonna do that one and Ramble on the road.

I know that you didn't know that I did. I haven't told you. You're

Amelia Grace: smarter than me. I don't know about that. I mean, I'm smarter than you. Definitely not. Definitely. Yes.

Jeff Nesbitt: Okay.

Go ahead and sing.

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We all watched over the last two years as the real estate market exploded. Property values skyrocketed as many left the crowded cities for a more rural existence. And the demographics of local communities began to shift. The changes have been great for some home sellers, real estate agents and appraisers,

and have been catastrophic for others like low-income renters or homeowners on a fixed income who suddenly have to spend twice as much on property taxes. Needless to say it has been quite dramatic. It seems crazy to think that this frothy market could continue to rise. And many have been wondering if we should expect an impending crash. I wanted to ask somebody who knows what they're talking about.

of the underlying trends. My [: 00:15:00

She's passionate about her work. She seems to have a knack for helping people find the perfect new home. And she really knows her stuff. Without further ado, please welcome the hardest working lady in the real estate biz. Hilary Anderson.

Hillary Andersson: [: 00:00:00

Jeff Nesbitt: Uh, like a week. I didn't know I was doing it when I started. That's awesome. I was just like, Oh, I'll just put a mountain on the back. That'll look cool. Yeah. And I was like, Oh, that one looks weird by itself. , just throw another mountain up there. I just using that blue painters tape.

I love it. Yeah, it was fun. I, I really like doing arts and Krats.

Hillary Andersson: I am, I'm not an artsy person, so I'm jealous

Jeff Nesbitt: of people who are how You're not an artsy person. Did you ever take art classes or anything? I did. Are you still not an artsy, artsy person?

Hillary Andersson: I love the idea of it. They didn't take, Huh? I'm just, I can do photography.

I went to school for it. Oh yeah. But painting, drawing, I mean, I can kill a stick figure.

Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. Art's hard. Yeah. I always, I have a lot more drive to do art than I do skill. I don't have that much skill.

Hillary Andersson: That's a self-limiting belief.

true. But I think skills are [: 00:01:00

So it's not so much self-limiting. I, I think I have potential, but never the training to actually make it anything. Yeah. Um, alright. Just making sure that's not sliding down. If this thing slides down to where it's covering the camera, would you just, I'll let you know. Yeah. I'll try to keep an eye on it.

Oh. So how's the

Hillary Andersson: market? It's good. Um, I mean, it's shifted over the last 24 months. We were obviously in a very strange place just worldwide. Um, and real estate felt that things got intense Wild outta control. Um, Ferro kind of on fire.

Jeff Nesbitt: There was like no places left to buy, right. It was, market was completely, our inventory

Hillary Andersson: was solo.

ears, a short amount of time [: 00:02:00

Jeff Nesbitt: So she went through the last real estate recession.

Yeah, I believe so: 2008

Hillary Andersson: Yeah. Um, so there was such limited inventory that when something new came on, it was how fast can. Get in to see it if you get in to see it. If not, you're coaching your buyers on, Okay, we're gonna make an offer on this house site unseen. Was there

Jeff Nesbitt: a lot of that happening?

Yes. Wow. A ton. That's crazy. Would you ever do that? Yes. If the market conditions are right?

have as far as like, you can [: 00:03:00

Yeah.

Jeff Nesbitt: And you can always sell it after, and you can always

Hillary Andersson: sell it. It, Yeah. Uh, I truly believe that real estate's never about investment. Owning a house is always gonna cost money, but if you hold onto it, you know long enough, if you put in the effort and the time, then it's, you're gonna get your money back.

Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. Whe when's the best time to buy? When you need one, right? I mean, when, soon as possible. Yeah. Yeah.

Hillary Andersson: When people say like, Oh, I'm not ready, like, I'm just gonna wait, I'm, I'm just gonna save up a little bit more. Or I'm just gonna wait till the market, you know, drops a little more. Softens is what you hear a lot right now.

And it's, you're gonna be waiting forever. Cuz there's always that next excuse. There's always that like, oh well I'm not ready right now. It's like, when's the best time to buy? Yeah.

Jeff Nesbitt: Now. Yeah, that makes sense. You gotta strike while iron's hot, when you feel ready or not. When, When it's available and when you need it.

Yeah. So how did you actually get into real estate? Cuz before that you were a nurse, right? Uh,

Hillary Andersson: [: 00:04:00

Jeff Nesbitt: paramedic school. Oh, okay. Yeah. All right. So similar, similar ballpark, but not similar ballpark.

So that's certified nurse's assistant. Yes. And then, uh, an EMT. Cool. Yep. And how long did you do that for?

Hillary Andersson: Uh, I still pull shifts

Jeff Nesbitt: in the ear. Oh, really? Yeah. Wow. Um, just for the love of the game or because they need you? They, you get called in.

Hillary Andersson: I get, I get scheduled. , but it's, it's very much out of a, I still love it.

It still fills my cup. Mm-hmm. , I've always loved the science medicine was my first love. I'm not sure I could ever give it up. I have a great career now that provides for me and my family, but I still have that thing inside me that's like,

Jeff Nesbitt: Okay, yeah, let's do this. People need those people. Yeah. The ones who are here to help.

w do you balance that? Good. [: 00:05:00

Hillary Andersson: it's setting boundaries is hard.

Um, but you have to mm-hmm. or you will do exactly what you just said. You will work when you work, no matter what time of day it is. I mean, I had an agent, um, you know, call me at eight forty five last night and I was like, I'm not taking your call right now. Good for you. It's 8 45 at night. Like, we can address this tomorrow morning at 9:00

Jeff Nesbitt: AM Yeah.

And we did. It's really hard to not take the call, especially if there's money on the other end.

Hillary Andersson: It's really hard to not

Jeff Nesbitt: take the call, but Yeah. It's good for your family to not take the call. Exactly.

Hillary Andersson: It's, uh, the balance is, you know, we set the parameters for our clients. We set expectations first and foremost is what they expect from me and what I expect from them.

appointments on Saturday and [: 00:06:00

Those

Jeff Nesbitt: are long days. They are long days. That's very long days. Um, but you love it, don't you? I love it. You're just, it's something you really enjoy. Yeah, it is. That's important. Most people don't have that. I mean, a lot of people don't have that for their job. They have to do what they love outside of work and then go to work and endure it.

Yeah. But that's a really special thing to be able to do something you actually enjoy.

Hillary Andersson: I feel very privileged that I found this, um, that I found real estate, that I found the team, I think is a huge part of it. Oh, yeah. Being a broker is, A huge job. There's a lot more that goes into it than people think.

Mm-hmm. . Um, but the team that I am surrounded by, I think is a huge part of why I love

Jeff Nesbitt: it so much. [: 00:07:00

Jesus, it matters who you surround yourself with. I a hundred percent does. Yeah. Um, so tell me about your path. How did you get from birth to here? Let's get in, in a nutshell. Okay. Who are

Hillary Andersson: you nutshell? Uh, born and raised in Hope, Idaho. It's even smaller than standpoint, but people know standpoint and if they don't know standpoint, then they know Colene.

And if they don't know Colene, then they know Spokane. Um, so how

Jeff Nesbitt: far is it from Spokane? Two hours. Okay. So that's pretty, that's like Portland in here. Yeah. Okay. Exactly.

Hillary Andersson: So it's just a small rural town. Um, Hope has no stoplights. One post office in one elementary school. And that's. The most easy way I can explain it in the most.

What's the population? Um, of the recent census or of the sign that I have in my backyard? It is

Jeff Nesbitt: like in the hundreds? Yes. Okay. That's a small town.

Hillary Andersson: Um, [: 00:08:00

Jeff Nesbitt: Wow. Mm-hmm. , That's like my graduating class in Highschool. That's insane.

And I thought we had a small town that's, that's tiny. It's little. So is there

Hillary Andersson: a mayor? I don't think so. Not of hope of standpoint. Yes,

Jeff Nesbitt: Not of hope. Okay. . Wow. Yeah. That's a tiny place. And what do your parents do or what did they do?

Hillary Andersson: Did they're both retired now and live their best lives? Um, my mom went back to school, got her master's when I was three years old, and she was a school counselor with her master's in psychology's.

Cool. Brilliant at it. An amazing woman. Um, and my dad was a contractor as well as like a, he went on to work for bigger companies. He did small construction jobs in Sandpoint, um, but he worked for companies, likely d and went to California, Indiana. All over the US when we were younger and did

Jeff Nesbitt: big jobs.

Cool. Yeah, like big industrial buildings

f. Big industrial buildings, [: 00:09:00

Jeff Nesbitt: Wow. So big stuff. Big stuff. That's, man, that's, that would be intense. I think about that sometimes when I'm looking at buildings like that, I'm like, imagine being the guy who just like, I'm gonna fucking build a giant building.

Yeah. It takes a balls.

Hillary Andersson: Or I'm gonna be responsible for the 500 people building this building

Jeff Nesbitt: that's even scarier. Mm-hmm. . Yeah. Cuz people die on giant construction projects and you have to try to make sure that doesn't happen. Like imagine being in charge of a damn construction or a bridge where it's, you're absolutely sure somebody's gonna die.

There's like, has there ever been a bridge construction without a death? I don't

Hillary Andersson: know. I doubt it, but that doesn't sound like something that I personally would ever be interested in. That's not my niche. Yeah.

Jeff Nesbitt: You know what? I'd be even less interested in. Being the guy who's at risk of dying from the bridge construction.

I'd rather be in charge. Don't get into construction then. Yeah, yeah. Or those guys walking across those beams and those old pictures. I don't wanna

: do that job. Those big eye [: 00:10:00

Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. It's crazy. They build some amazing stuff. Humans are impressive. What we can build,

Hillary Andersson: we can build humans, we can build buildings.

Yeah. We're pretty

Jeff Nesbitt: amazing. Pretty amazing.

So, um, you, did you spend this, that your whole childhood in the same little town all the way through Highschool?

Hillary Andersson: Yeah, all the way through Highschool. I went to Highschool and Sandpoint, Highschool. Um, and then I graduated early. I moved to California. I was a nanny for years in California. Um, loved it.

Jeff Nesbitt: What part of California?

Los Angeles. Oh, did you like it down there? I.

Hillary Andersson: I love it. It's a nice place. Um, I mean, it has

Jeff Nesbitt: its perks. People complain about it constantly, but if it weren't great, people wouldn't even talk about it. Like you wouldn't hear about it so much. People wouldn't want to go there if it weren't a cool

Hillary Andersson: place. It's true, it has.

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I was also 17 and very naive.

Jeff Nesbitt: There could have been a predator lurking around behind you the entire time, and you just barely, barely escaped. You never know.

Hillary Andersson: I should have died so many times. That's a scary thought. It's, it's one that I'm like, Yeah, that

Jeff Nesbitt: wasn't a smart decision.

It is a dangerous place. Yeah. The last time I was there, a homeless man harassed my wife. No good. No good, No

Hillary Andersson: good. Um, lived there, nanny there for two different families, the first moved away, they actually moved to Seattle, ba, Bridge Island. Hmm. Nanny lots of money. They, Yes. Well they started a really amazing company and they actually were kind of my first insight to, well my father was my first insight to running a business.

And then they were my second. And I knew, I knew I wanted to run a business at some point. I just didn't know I was gonna be in real estate. Mm-hmm. .

ff Nesbitt: Yeah. So you had [: 00:12:00

They started,

Hillary Andersson: uh, they started Kiki Pants. What is that? It is a bamboo clothing line. Oh. , it's actually a huge bamboo clothing line now. It's, it's grown so much over the last 10 years. , Aaron and Nick Cloak started it. Uh, they were working outta their garage when I worked for them. Like the offices were in the garage and we had boxes of clothes that would go out to Fulfillments.

And then there were fulfillment centers in

Jeff Nesbitt: Sacramento. Did they buy the bamboo cloth from like a supplier from China? Yeah, from China. Yeah. That's amazing that they can make such soft material out of bamboo. It's soft,

Hillary Andersson: it's sustainable. You can chop down a whole bunch of bamboo and it grows back like a weed.

So it's, it's

Jeff Nesbitt: grass. It's just really, really hardy grass.

clothing and like maternity [: 00:13:00

Jeff Nesbitt: Sleeping. Yeah. They were almost too soft. I almost didn't like it. Like No, I'm not even joking. They were too soft.

It felt like spiderwebs on me or something. What? Yeah, I don't like, Well, first of all, I'm not a top sheet guy. Do you sleep with a

Hillary Andersson: top sheet? I never used to. I've been trained to

Jeff Nesbitt: sleep at the top sheet. You strike me as a top sheeter. I'll, I'll be honest. I've never,

Hillary Andersson: You, you would laugh so hard actually. So I used to sleep at the bottom sheet and a

Jeff Nesbitt: comforter and that's it.

That's my jam. Yeah. That's how I like to do it.

Hillary Andersson: I've been trained otherwise now. Yeah. I've had to

Jeff Nesbitt: adapt and I like to just vary the thickness of the comforter, depending on the time of year, then you're, you're just, you're set with one

Hillary Andersson: blanket, so you wanna know what's funny? I'm like a down comforter all year round, kind of

Jeff Nesbitt: a girl.

Well, that one kind of regulates. It's got that air space space down. Comforter. That's pretty nice. We do that. We're, I think we're on a down comforter right now, but, Oh no, we got a Buffy. It's like a, I think actually it might be made of Bamboo. Maybe not though. What's a Buffy? A Buffy. It's just a brand.

was like, Oh, this actually [: 00:14:00

Yeah. And it's just like not, it doesn't look nice anymore. Yep. It looked like that right out of the box. Oh no. Yeah. So it was, it was not pretty, but I don't give a shit. I like it. It's comfy. So I, you know, even in the cover, the cover itself

Hillary Andersson: was like from, I was gonna say, what if you put it in kind of a, like a cover, like a

Jeff Nesbitt: duvet cover one.

Which one? Yeah. I, I think it was like kind of that, uh, something that appeals to people about being rustic. Like, I don't know. That's, it's that vibe, like a rustic, I don't know. I don't like the look of it, but I like the feel of it. So. Okay. I think we've covered Buffy enough. Um, Yeah. Where were, where were we at in your life?

toria. My sister lived here. [: 00:15:00

Uh, my sister and her husband lived here. They had just moved here and gotten jobs after college. Um, I moved in with them and, uh, I ended

Jeff Nesbitt: up staying. Nice. And how, what's the age difference with your sister?

Hillary Andersson: I have two sisters. The first age difference is three, and the second age difference is six. So I moved in with my sister, who's six

Jeff Nesbitt: years older than me.

Oh wow. That's probably perfect. Yeah. Far enough ahead of you to really kind of get the lay of the land. Yeah. What'd you do when you moved Astoria?

Hillary Andersson: I went back to school. I went to school at Clots Community College. Um, and I started taking courses in medicine and then I worked as a waitress at Supp

Jeff Nesbitt: Club.

t restaurants around. It is. [: 00:16:00

Hillary Andersson: These don't

Jeff Nesbitt: fall. I haven't fallen yet.

Hillary Andersson: The mother and medical worker in me gets very scared.

Jeff Nesbitt: I need to put a railing in here. It's pretty bad.

It's kinda like a tree fort. It is. That's exactly how it feels. . All that's gonna stink.

Hillary Andersson: It's like the tree forts we had growing up before. Things, you know, got up to code where it was like you might die every time you play in it, but it's fun. No, it's only kind I ever had.

I

Jeff Nesbitt: like these chairs. They're comfortable. I, they kind of hold you nicely.

Hillary Andersson: Yeah. What, who doesn't love a bucket seat?

Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. I've really gone through a lot of, uh, changes in chairs. Oh yeah. And equipment in general, but chairs has been probably the

Hillary Andersson: most, Well, I can imagine. It's what someone is sitting in.

So you want it to be comfortable. Yeah. And also you're sitting in it all day, so,

Jeff Nesbitt: Okay. [: 00:17:00

Hillary Andersson: From here, uh, you know, Taylor's oldest time, fall in love, stay in Astoria, and then the rest is history.

Jeff Nesbitt: So when did you decide to switch to real estate?

This was two years

Hillary Andersson: ago. Uh, this was probably closer to three years ago with like schooling and stuff. Um, so real estate, I was kind of at a crossroads. Um, I just had a baby trying to figure out if I wanted to go back to medicine, if I wanted to ride on an ambulance full time. Um, my husband works shift work as well, so it just.

Wasn't conducive. What does he do? He's

Jeff Nesbitt: a cop. Oh, cool.

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And,

Jeff Nesbitt: And did you know her from before or did you just meet

Hillary Andersson: No, I knew her in like a general sense of the term. I had met her I think, probably in passing a couple times, but I didn't know her very well. Uhhuh, I knew of her. , cuz she has built a name and a team that's very

Jeff Nesbitt: reputable. I see her signs around.

Yeah. All the time. I've noticed more since you've been working with her, but, um, Yeah. Bree Associates, right? Mm-hmm. see 'em all over the place. Yeah. It's like, Oh good. They're making some money. Yes.

Hillary Andersson: Um, that's the goal. Sorry. You're fine. Um, So I met her at a birthday party and we got to talking and it was kind of like, you and I should, should talk more.

And I reached back out probably two or three days after we had that conversation. And, you know, I reintroduced myself. And

estate specifically, or you [: 00:19:00

Hillary Andersson: I knew that I wanted to do real estate years prior, but it wasn't something that I ever thought was achievable because I had committed myself to Medicine Uhhuh.

Um, so I was thinking like, oh, you know, a career change, like,

Jeff Nesbitt: and a kid, Oh, you had that and a, Oh, I don't wanna throw more time down at like, I've already invested this much. What's that? That's like a lost something, lost fallacy. I don't remember what it is, but, um, yeah, it's basically like You already invested this much into Yeah.

Sunk costs. It was sunk costs.

Hillary Andersson: I had invested so much time and money into my education mm-hmm. for medicine that it felt like, I just felt like a failure. I was like, Oh God, you know, what's everyone gonna think if I start all over and change a career

Jeff Nesbitt: and think something

Hillary Andersson: catastrophic happened? Exactly. Or what is she thinking?

She couldn't hack it, you know?

Jeff Nesbitt: Um, do you still worry about that? No, I don't give a fuck about that. No.

Hillary Andersson: I stopped worrying about that.

, you probably don't cuz you [: 00:20:00

and, and started a new career is not scary to me. But the actual failing part is definitely scary to me. Like, well, what if it doesn't work out? Cuz things are okay now I'm safe. Yeah. Like, what if it doesn't work out, then like, that's a big Yeah. It takes a big leap of faith to do that. Did how did you, did you have trouble with, uh, coming to terms with that at all?

Hillary Andersson: Um, yes. No, I'd be lying if I said no. It was a huge leap of faith, but it was, it was like a crossroads. Mm-hmm. , I was also. You know, a brand new mom, uh, a fairly new wife. And I was just kind of having this like, I need my own identity. I need something that's just for me that I feel good about, that I thrive at.

Um, and when I met Brie and I started talking to her, it became so clear that it was way more than just like a career change. It was a life change. Yeah.

awesome. That's really cool. [: 00:21:00

Hillary Andersson: Start high and it can just slowly go down. Yeah.

Jeff Nesbitt: It's insane how many things happen in here that I'm just like, Oh, I wish I had somebody like working.

Hillary Andersson: No. I, There's so many moving parts, Jeff. It's, it's so impress. I don't think anybody realizes how much goes into what you do.

Jeff Nesbitt: It makes it to where I'm way shittier of a host.

Cuz the whole time I'm just like, All right, that's still going. That's good. Over here. Everything will check this one. All right, we're good. And Wait, wait, what'd you say? It's hard, but it's fun. I like it. It's, I don't know, I watched a documentary one time about musicians and Jack White was talking about the way he performs.

sic. And I remember thinking [: 00:22:00

Like that's so dumb. Um, just why not do it the most efficient way possible? That doesn't make any sense to me. Yeah. And now as an adult that where. At this time I was probably 20. I like had endless energy and motivation to do things that I thought were cool or fun. Mm-hmm. , now I'm like, I'm 33 and for some reason I have to actually motivate myself to do fun things.

And I'm just like, doing the podcast is actually difficult because it's socially difficult for me. And it, and it's like, I, it takes an incredible amount of time and, and it's just like unnecessary. So I, and I know that the whole time, so I'm like, I have to enjoy this somehow. But I feel like I'm doing that Jack White thing with the podcast because it's like, I'm.

, when I look back on these [: 00:23:00

Cuz it was always the same. Yeah. It was always just like me trying to get everything in place while this person sits there and tries not to be too uncomfortable. . Um, but yeah, I don't know. It's something about that I like and someday I'll have help, but for now it's, it's all

Hillary Andersson: Well, yeah, I mean, everything you just said, it pairs with I think a ton of different jobs.

Real estate, you've got a ton of different moving parts going on and nobody knows half of what's going on behind the scenes when they sign up for it. You do

Jeff Nesbitt: a lot of open houses, right?

Hillary Andersson: We do. Honestly, no. Our market is not, , it's not primed and ready for open houses. Okay. Like if you hold an open house in Astoria, even in Astoria where it's like a, a more condensed city, you've got these huge hills.

open houses. But open houses [: 00:24:00

Jeff Nesbitt: traffic and

Hillary Andersson: people are around and foot traffic and people around.

We still hold them and I do think they bring value, , but they're not, they're, they're sometimes not as productive, I think, as most people are hoping.

Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. You end up blowing all your money on the cookie

budget,

Hillary Andersson: which gotta have cookies. Gotta have

Jeff Nesbitt: drinks. Mm-hmm. , do you, do you really, uh, have to have cookies?

Would you feel obligated? No. I would expect to see them. I wouldn't buy a house without cookies at the open house. Really? Mm-hmm. Oh, nope. I'll take my business elsewhere. For a cookie? Yep. Well, it's really not about the cookie, Hillary, it's about the principle of the thing, you know? Okay. Should about going that extra

Hillary Andersson: mile.

Well, what if I told you I had something else but I didn't have cookies? I'll take it. What do you got ? What if I had

lking around the house, just [: 00:25:00

Mm-hmm. and they get the private show so you don't have to, uh, you know, be in there with all the looky loses. Yeah. You don't wanna deal with the looky lose. No. No.

Hillary Andersson: Well, that's, I do way more private showings than I do open houses. Mm-hmm. I bet it's, it's more intimate. You can answer questions.

You don't feel like your attention's being pulled.

Jeff Nesbitt: Do you own a house yourself? I do. How's that? You like being a homeowner? I do. I, I, I kind of own a house. I guess you could say that. My wife had this house before we were married, so it, I don't know, feels like her house , but we both own it and, uh, it feels so much better to be putting your money into something that's actually yours.

Yes. Like, all the years I spent renting really hated that. The feeling of paying rent is horrible, but the feeling of paying a mortgage is really not horrible. It doesn't feel like you're throwing your money away. It feels like you're giving your money to yourself, which is

Hillary Andersson: nice. It's, we have core values on our team.

use obviously that's what we [: 00:26:00

Jeff Nesbitt: about. You'd have to, you, you're seeing those go by all the time.

How could you not scoop 'em up every once in a while? Yeah.

Hillary Andersson: I have the conversation with so many of my buyers on, Okay, well you rent, you know, when's your lease up? What's, what's the plan? Like? Why buying now sort of, you have that conversation. You get to know 'em. You get to know either why?

Because without knowing their why, you can't help them to the best of your abilities. And it's when you're paying someone else's mortgage, it's throwing money away. You're not investing in your equity, you're not investing in your future at all. Yeah. And it's so hard because I know some people that are like, Well, I could never afford a down payment.

There are so many home loan programs that are 0% down really? That are 3% down. FHA loans have as little as 3% down. Are they hard to qualify

t's fha? Federal Housing Act?[: 00:27:00

Hillary Andersson: The Federal Housing Administration.

Jeff Nesbitt: Okay. Federal Housing Administration. Federal Housing Administration. And so they give, or is that like an organization that exists through the federal government to provide access to

Hillary Andersson: loans? Yes. So it's a different loan. It's a different loan branch. Okay. Um, so lenders have all these different loan types.

Mm-hmm. , uh, VA loan for the Veterans. Veterans, Yep. Um, fha, which we just covered, us da conventional. I'm still listening. I'm just looking. No, you're fine. I'm, I'm just going through all the different loans in my head. Um, so every, I mean, buyers can qualify. Different kinds of loans and it makes it so much more feasible

Jeff Nesbitt: for people.

And you walk 'em through that whole

I won't pretend that it is. [: 00:28:00

Um, and I get them connected with

Jeff Nesbitt: one of them. And do you try to like, try to go for the local lenders or does that not make a difference? You just go for the cheapest rates?

Hillary Andersson: No, it makes a huge difference. So online, online lenders, Quicken loans. Um, you get connected with someone and they, you know, they can pre-approve you.

Sure. And they are alone. Business. But having a local lender has so many advantages. Local lenders, I can call on Sunday mm-hmm. to get you pre-approved. Uh, I can call and actually have a conversation on like, where's the appraisal? Like what's our timeline? What's holding us up? What do you mean underwriting one approved X, Y, and Z?

eks ago. Why So it just lets [: 00:29:00

Jeff Nesbitt: you work with the same bankers over and over again, so you kind of get to know 'em.

Yeah. That's gotta be nice. Yeah, a hundred percent. Yeah. Imagine if you're doing it through the internet, Quicken loans or something, you're not gonna get the same person ever. No.

Hillary Andersson: Yeah. Um, and I've had so many clients that have come to me and they've said like, Oh, we're preapproved. I'm like, Great, who are you preapproved with?

And they're like, Oh, we got preapproved online last night with Quicken Loans. And I'm like, Fantastic. You know, they run a credit check, They ask for your, you know mm-hmm. your income documents and that's great. But then let's pivot. Yeah. Let's

Jeff Nesbitt: pivot. Can you use that information to bring it to the other lender to say like, Look, they're already preapproved here for this.

What can you do? Yeah,

d it's, honestly, it's up to [: 00:30:00

the buyer to decide who they work with, who's got a competitive rate, who, who they drive with best. Mm-hmm. , because you want it to be good for them too. Yeah,

Jeff Nesbitt: it makes a big difference. It's a lot of money. It's a lot of money. And you're gonna be dealing with them for a long time.

Hillary Andersson: For most people, it's the biggest purchase they will ever make in their entire lives.

Jeff Nesbitt: Oh, here's a question, and you probably could help me with this. I'm having an issue. So we just refinanced our, our mortgage this last year. Okay. And I think it was January, maybe even later February. And, uh, they sold our mortgage right away, like within a month. And then, They sold it again a couple more times.

Like it just keeps passing around. And so every time this happens, the we get calls, I get calls from people all the time saying, Hey, I got information about your mortgage. Hey, your insurance is blah, blah, blah. Hey, whatever scammers. I don't, I don't anytime somebody, if they don't state the name of the company mm-hmm.

man. I don't blame you. And [: 00:31:00

Look, if you're gonna buy somebody's mortgage, just hold onto it. . Like, what? It's, it's really confusing to be getting these random things from all, I feel like I should have been consulted. I don't wanna work with these new people. I, I made a deal with you. Yeah. Like, why? It doesn't make sense to me. It's

Hillary Andersson: frustrating, but it's all part of the process.

Jeff Nesbitt: Does that happen a lot? Yeah. Hmm. Why is it traded like a commodity? Just debt is a commodity. That's one way to look at it. That's insane. What kind of a country is this? .

Hillary Andersson: You don't wanna know

Jeff Nesbitt: that answer. That's insane. I know. It's terrible. There's more, there's way more crazy things than that, but, um,

Hillary Andersson: It's frustrating though.

Our, my mortgage has been sold multiple times. Mm-hmm. ,

Jeff Nesbitt: you, you have a ghost or new mortgage lender on accident. No. Happens to me every

to figure out who's calling [: 00:32:00

Don't

Jeff Nesbitt: you feel like a sucker though? A hundred percent. Don't you just feel, aren't you filled with rage?

Hillary Andersson: There's definitely some, some jagged days where I'm like, Who are you and what do

Jeff Nesbitt: you want? Have they ever actually got you though? Have you ever been suckered on a scam on the phone or No. Anywhere.

Mm-hmm. You never been scammed once in your life? No. Really,

Hillary Andersson: I mean,

Jeff Nesbitt: not by somebody on the phone. Yeah, I have once, but I got my money back I think. I'm pretty sure I got my money back on my birthday. Got scammed. Yeah. The nerve. Yeah. I was in a good mood and I, and I heard him out. I did your strategy and I decided to hear him out , and then he ended up having like $400 of my money.

n, I'm like, this seems like [: 00:33:00

Hillary Andersson: I was gonna say, at what point were your red flags going up?

Like if somebody was like, Hey, I wanna sell you a trip to eggs, I'm gonna be like, Hard pass.

Jeff Nesbitt: Well, we had already been talking about getting a trip to Vegas, like get a package. Okay. And he's like, Okay, this is, it comes with airfare for two people, um, a free stay in this hotel, casino money.

Mm-hmm. . Um, and he's like, Yeah. And then they like, they tricked me, basically. It sounds stupid. It is stupid. Um, but I thought it, it was like in vouchers to that, it wasn't cash, it was in vouchers to that casino. But, um, they had like all these restaurants and I was like, It'll be like cash. And so I, I did it and I sent, I, I paid them the 400 bucks.

And then I was on the phone with the contract person at the end of the, like some chick. And, um, she like read off all the perks that came with the, the package. And I was like, Oh, it didn't happen to hear a thousand dollars in, vouchers to this. Resort. And she's like, Oh yeah, that will come later that comes.

That's gotta be part of the [: 00:34:00

And I, they sent me my money back, but it took like weeks. It was terrible, . Worst birthday ever. How long ago was that? Uh, probably five years ago. It wasn't that long ago. . Yeah. I, ,

Hillary Andersson: to be fair, you were still in your twenties and you're a male.

Your frontal lobe wasn't fully developed yet.

Jeff Nesbitt: I was definitely at least 25, so it was probably fully developed. Mine. Mine kind of stopped developing early, so I, I think, I'm not sure, uh, if it'll ever be fully developed, but that's okay. It works well enough. .

Hillary Andersson: We can just talk that up to a life learning

Jeff Nesbitt: lesson.

Yeah, it, it certainly was. And I was, it just happened. It just happened. Things like this happened, but yeah.

Hillary Andersson: I haven't been scammed on the phone, but I've definitely made decisions where I'm like, that's,

t of risky behaviors, do you?[: 00:35:00

Hillary Andersson: Um, not anymore.

Jeff Nesbitt: That's good. That's good. That's, that's about best case scenario. Cause Yeah. There's only really three scenarios either. Yes, I do. Not anymore or no, never did. Not anymore is probably the wise one.

Hillary Andersson: Not anymore. Yeah. I had, I had my twenties. They were great. Been onto my thirties.

Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. What was the greatest part of them?

Hillary Andersson: The memories, the knowing that I, I don't regret not doing it.

Jeff Nesbitt: Doing what? ,

Hillary Andersson: Um, making reckless decisions.

Jeff Nesbitt: What kind? Tell me about some of

Hillary Andersson: those. Oh god. Um,

Jeff Nesbitt: you've heard a lot of my embarrassing

Hillary Andersson: stories. I, I'm just trying to the two think about what is appropriate and what will not get me

your business. Um, but, uh, [: 00:36:00

Hillary Andersson: twenties are, are adventurous. I living in, living in Santa Monica with my best friend, um, you know, we would go out, we'd go dancing.

I love dancing. We'd have some cocktails. Southern

Jeff Nesbitt: California's so nice.

Hillary Andersson: So fun. It was, you know, 70 degrees at 11, 11 o'clock at night. Yeah. Um, and we would get invited to, to house parties. We didn't know the people at all, nor did we know where their house was. But we would go,

Jeff Nesbitt: just hop in a car. Yep. Yeah. I I don't think it's normal to just hop in a car with strangers anymore other than Uber, which I guess is completely a stranger.

Completely a stranger.

Hillary Andersson: But, but it seems different hindsight, you know, looking back, you're like, Oh, you know, jumped in some random guy's car to go from

Jeff Nesbitt: one party to the next, not

Hillary Andersson: knowing who he was or where we were going. Yeah. At all, the destination just had my best friend, and we were like, All right, let's, let's do it.

hy not? Let's throw roll the [: 00:37:00

Jeff Nesbitt: that, Did you ever have any near death experiences? No. Never. That's good. I bet you have enough even know. Oh, I guarantee, I probably, probably When you were jogging and those lurkers were chasing you, you had no idea.

Hillary Andersson: I would jog on what's called the Bluffs in Westchester. Um, and I guarantee, I've read, I've read stories of, you know, women getting attacked and raped and Yeah. No good. And I'm like, Oh, that could have been me.

Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. That scares me thinking about that just cuz I have daughters. Yeah. And they're always wanting to go out and be on their own.

a paved trail that like, is [: 00:38:00

Okay. It goes up the road a little bit and then it goes up the, another road up to North Head Lighthouse. I

Hillary Andersson: think I went there a very long time ago with a

Jeff Nesbitt: ex-boyfriend. Mm-hmm. . Well there's this spot where the trail crosses the highway. Okay. And it's on a curve so the cars can't see well. And my daughter Amelia just bolted up the hill and I was walking the dog and then my wife was walking just in front of me and Amelia was probably 30 feet ahead of us. And then there's another 50 feet and then the opening in the fence and the highway. And Amelia was like, Can I run ahead a little bit? And we're like, All right, but stop at that yellow sign with the stop sign on it cuz there's like a, a pre stop sign.

So it's like, Hey, there's a stop sign ahead. She didn't know that we were talking about that sign. She thought we meant the actual stop sign. So she kept running past that yellow sign. And um, then coincidentally the dogs started taking a shit right at that moment, right in the middle of the paved trail.

Right. And it was a weird [: 00:39:00

And I wanted to share that with my wife. And so, uh, I called her back, I says, Melissa, come back and, um, look at this, this poop. And she did. And then just like right at that moment I realized, Oh no, what if Amelia didn't stop? And I turned around just to see her start running down the side of the highway, and I, we both just like screamed and, uh, started chasing her.

nd, um, it was all fine, But [: 00:40:00

Life can change so quick. It's terrifying. Yeah. But yeah, they're both very independent. My daughters, they like to run off and be on their own. It sucks. I have to constantly be the bad guy. Like, No, I don't want you to walk to the store by yourself. I don't care if it, I just don't care. Yeah. That you really want to, It's like, it's not worth it to me.

year [: 00:41:00

She's as tall as my wife and she's very independent, but, I could easily throw her into a back of a van and speed off if I, I mean, it wouldn't be hard at all, right? Like, I don't, I don't care what, what she thinks. Like I, and I'm not even an exceptionally strong man. There's men much stronger than me with much worse intentions.

So yeah, it's not okay with me for her to just go off on her own when she's with her brother. It's one thing, right? Cause he can like scream. He's, he's al he's much more, uh, afraid of, he's aware of threats. She's, she's like not thinking about it. Not that she's oblivious, but she's just not thinking about that.

Um, I think she's naive about the world.

Hillary Andersson: Do you think that's a boy versus

than me. And, um, I was like [: 00:42:00

I was more thinking it just random stuff. But, not that. Uh, so it's, I think it's a personality thing. People who just like are prone to see ways that things can go wrong, that it's harder. I mean, being a person who's not like that, it can wear on you being around people like that all the time, cuz it eventually you're just like, Can you please, please look at something positively

Like if just constantly feels like the world is a terrible place.

Hillary Andersson: Yeah. I, um, , I'm familiar with that scenario. Well, how's

Jeff Nesbitt: your outlook overall, your worldview?

Hillary Andersson: Uh, it's changed over the years, but I have been called naive more times than I can count because I choose to see the best in people. Mm-hmm. , Uh, it might be one of my fatal flaws.

It might be the thing that eventually kills me. .

Jeff Nesbitt: It could be, but I, you wouldn't be the same person without it. It's, it's definitely the kind of a personality trait that shapes your interactions.

efinitely had to, to curb my [: 00:43:00

I wanna give them the benefit of the doubt. I think that's good. Um, and it's because it's true overall. I think it does me well in life because I try really hard not to be a jaded person. Especially given everything that's happened in our world, you know? Yeah. It's, it's hard not to be jaded, hard not to think the world is out to get you or that the world's collapsing around us.

Or

Jeff Nesbitt: it might be right. It might be, but it's not gonna help you to wallow in it. It's

Hillary Andersson: also, I think, benefited me raising a smile child. I don't wanna raise him to hate the world. Yeah. I wanna raise him to be like, This place is awesome. We live in a beautiful place.

Jeff Nesbitt: Cause we do both, Both things are true.

Cause we do, The world has a lot going on. It's not all bad, it's not all good, but, Extremes. It's,

ons of like, okay, you know, [: 00:44:00

Jeff Nesbitt: Um, no. The ones, I mean, most people really will at when it comes right down to it, because they don't want hit it person, but they, it's the ones who don't see you that I'm most worried about. Yeah. How, I mean, how often do you see somebody on their phone driving Every day, All day, every day. A lot.

Especially if you have, if you're for some reason sitting by a highway or like on an overpass or something, you can look into a lot of different cars. Huge proportion of those people are on their phones, like almost half. It's really crazy. It's, it's really crazy. It's been a while since I actually took the time to do that, but it is amazing to see how many people are actually driving and not wrecking, but not looking at the road.

Marker

Hillary Andersson: It's scary. No. Well, everyone's attention is, um, It's 10 different places nobody's ever focused on just driving.

. So like I have this theory [: 00:45:00

So like you, you, it's a deficit in the ability to control where your attention is and how long it stays there. Uh, so it's based on stimulation, so, and which is mainly dopamine driven. So activities that produce a lot of dopamine are gonna be more desirable for a person with adhd. Dopamine is not just involved in feelings of pleasure or feelings of like being on the right track, feelings of reward.

, you're moving towards a, a [: 00:46:00

Uh, but I have this theory that you have a certain threshold, everybody does. It's different on everybody, but you have to meet a certain threshold of dopamine activation to initiate movement. And, uh, one of the really big problems with ADHD is, uh, executive dysfunction and failure to initiate tasks. Task initiation is, is something that people with ADHD really struggle with.

So I, I have this idea that, um, That's the reason walking or for me driving is very stimulating for mental activity. Or like a lot of people, a shower even works where you're like, you're doing something else. And that allows you to, like a lot of people I've heard attributed to it, like, is enough to distract you.

e that feedback loop in your [: 00:47:00

So the, that motor pattern is gonna need more dopamine. So you make it, and then once you're up to that threshold, then your brain turns on and like regular functions start happening, your executive dysfunction goes away because you're, you're at that threshold almost like, um, a, a tire. When you're filling up a tire, it's completely empty.

And you sit there and so the wheel is on the ground and you hook it up to the air, hit the air, and it starts filling up. And you can hear the air going in, you can feel the air going into the tire, but the car stays on the ground for quite a while. Mm-hmm. . And it takes, until that tire is all the way around, it's filled with enough air to create a high enough pressure to lift that vehicle off the ground, which is thousands of pounds.

move. Otherwise you're just [: 00:48:00

Hate that. When the, when I first started, it was like, it felt like a huge chore, but over the 10 years I've been doing it now, I like rely on it. I, my brain knows that is my processing time. So I'm like excited about it every day. I, I'm, that's a time when I, a lot of times I'll put on my podcast , and screen it, , and just take notes in my phone with a voice recorder.

Okay. Uh, to make edits and add stuff later. Smart. But it's, I always feel like my brain works so well during those hours because really that's the only time when it works at peak is like when I'm driving and able, and able to just fully detached from, uh, that feeling of wanting, of like needing to move. I, when I'm working in here, I hate it.

I, I. I don't enjoy it. It's [: 00:49:00

I need stuff to be happening. Uh, and then my brain just turns on. So like, I'll sit in here for hours and accomplish nothing because, and I, I just feel brain dead. Like, I feel like my brain doesn't work until I'm moving. And then, then all of a sudden I'm, I'm coming up with all kinds of ideas. All, I have thousands of notes in my phone of just little things I've written.

Things I thought were funny or I don't, all kinds of stuff. I'd say 90% of it was written while driving. Okay.

Hillary Andersson: What if you did a walking podcast?

Jeff Nesbitt: I've thought about that. Okay. I like walking. I love walking. Actually, that would be cool. And it does the same exact thing. It creates the same effect.

a thing for my phone. I have [: 00:50:00

I don't, I don't love the camera part. I hate it actually. But it's like a, I have to do it to make the podcast successful, so I'll do it, but don't know

Hillary Andersson: secret. I don't love the camera part either. Really. I have to do it for my job. Mm-hmm. , it's social media is huge. Yeah. Uh, I mean we've, we've heard it from influencers, but also influencers, but also some of the top producing real estate brokers in the United States is being front of mine, is being front of face.

a conversation with someone, [: 00:51:00

I'm trying to remodel my own house and it's a shit show. .

Jeff Nesbitt: Oh, you are, You posting stuff about your own remodel?

Hillary Andersson: I post stuff about my own life. I post stuff about my son. I post stuff about, I try and get on there and be authentic. It's hard because it is really hard. You're terrified of

Jeff Nesbitt: the judgment. Yes.

And it's not even the judgment of people thinking your content is bad. No. It's the judgment of people thinking like, why does he think I wanna see him?

Hillary Andersson: Oh, it's for sure. Just like, what is she doing? Yeah. I'm like, well this is just every day. This is just, you wanna see what I look like at 8:00 AM when I'm trying to juggle getting a kid out the door, getting ready, answering an email and, oh God, I don't know.

Possibly trying to get myself ready for work. Yeah. Like it's not pretty.

sorry if you get cringy from [: 00:52:00

Um, I don't feel that from people that I don't know. Yeah. Like when I, when I see strangers online and it's somebody from LA or something doing, I, I don't feel that at all. No matter what they're doing. Yeah. They're just an internet face. But when it's somebody I know from real life and they are trying to do some internet trend or whatever mm-hmm.

I'm just like, Oh, I feel it and I don't know why it's hard. And so, and it's just, I do know why actually it's projection cuz I feel it most significantly when it's a video of myself and I, and it's just a little shred of that because the people in my actual life are connected to me even however peripherally more so than the people on the internet who I've never seen or will never see or interact

Hillary Andersson: with.

fuck with. Their opinion is, [: 00:53:00

When it's somebody that you love and you're like, Oh yeah, please, please don't think I'm stupid. Yeah, please don't judge my outfit or what I look like today. It's a lot harder. Yeah, it's a lot harder because

Jeff Nesbitt: I mean, I don't at least harshly judge other people for the things that I don't want to be judged for.

Ever? Not consciously. Not consciously. That's true. Well actually, you know, that's probably untrue because that's, that's a main thing when you find yourself really feeling contempt for people, examine yourself and be like, Do I just hate this in myself? Mm-hmm. . And cuz a lot of times it is that. Yeah. And even if it's something you're repressing and you don't want to acknowledge it, or it's, maybe it's somebody, somebody at one point told you, Don't do that, or don't let that out.

hen you're disciplining? How [: 00:54:00

Hillary Andersson: Parenting is hard.

for real. Um, with love and grace, um, personally, it's, I have a conversation, uh, If my son does something that I'm not okay with, that's not part of our house structure. Um, we sit down and I'm like, Buddy, that's, that's not okay to do like that. I try and tell him like, That hurt mommy. Like he hit me Last night.

We were having just a total meltdown. It was the end of the day. We were both exhausted. Um, and it was bedtime and I was at the end of my day. I wanted, I wanted the day to be over very badly, and he wanted the day to be over, but we still had to get through bath and we still had to get through bedtime.

And it was just meltdown city. And he whacked me across the face. Oh. Oh yeah. Not,

Jeff Nesbitt: Were you making eye contact? Oh, yeah. Oh, so he knew exactly what he,

knew, I mean, it was, That's [: 00:55:00

Jeff Nesbitt: You managed not to slap him back. Oh,

Hillary Andersson: a hundred percent. I just way to go.

I set him down. Uh, And I just walked away for a minute, and then I came back and I, you know, and he's just screaming this whole time. It was, it was a rough night.

Jeff Nesbitt: It didn't work. He didn't give him catharsis. He didn't re relax after

Hillary Andersson: that. Right. I just, I sat him down and I had to walk away. And then I came back after I had, you know, taken 10 deep breaths and I said, Bud, that's, I said, We don't hit in this family.

I said, Hitting is never okay. I said, We don't hit people. I said, I don't care if you're angry. I don't care if you're frustrated. You know. I said, I understand. I said, It is really easy to want to hit someone. Mm-hmm. . But hitting's not okay. I said, That hurt mommy. Yeah. Like, your actions hurt me. And he, he eventually calmed down.

We worked our way through it and he, you know, he touches my face. Sorry, mama. Yeah.

Jeff Nesbitt: Um, do you ever threaten to call the cops? ?

house. Like, that's assault [: 00:56:00

Like my love is not conditional. Your big feelings. They don't scare me. Like, have 'em have your big feelings. I said, I know you're working through something. They don't scare me. Like it takes a lot more than that to scare me.

Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. They shouldn't be scary. No little kids are gonna have those, But big feelings are

Hillary Andersson: scary

Jeff Nesbitt: to a lot of people.

Well that's because of resonance. Like if you're not careful mm-hmm. , you'll resonate with whatever's happening around you. So if you're a parent and especially a parent who's very connected to a child mm-hmm. emotionally, when that energy's coming outta the kid, it's gonna resonate. And if you match it, it's gonna accentuate it.

It's not going to take it down. You have to bring in a stronger, more calm energy. You have to be the

Hillary Andersson: ceo, it out your household. A very wise woman told me that one time would've never forgotten

Jeff Nesbitt: it. That's true. what do you mean by that? Could you expand on that a little bit? Yeah.

e to be the calm CEO of your [: 00:57:00

My best friend told me that, um, and it resonated with me years ago. She's like, you. You run your household, you have to be the calming force. You have to be the calming light. It doesn't matter if everything else is spinning outta control. You have to come in and be calm, cool, and collected. Because that's like, you can't yell at someone if

Jeff Nesbitt: they yelling back at you like, you made this situation.

You have to.

Hillary Andersson: Yeah, exactly. You can't yell at someone if they're yelling back at you. Like it's just, you're not gonna solve anything. So you come in, you know you can be upset, you can be frustrated. I was pissed and I was so frustrated and believe you me, I wanted to just, Yeah, but that's not the answer.

Jeff Nesbitt: No, the answer isn't.

All that would do is teach him the wrong lesson. A

Hillary Andersson: hundred percent. Or scare him. Break his trust that he has in me. Yeah. Like he needs to trust me more than any person in this world will and his dad. But it's, if I yell at mom like, we're gonna make it through. If I hit mom like we're gonna make it through, like, no, it's not okay.

g out. Like that's never the [: 00:58:00

Jeff Nesbitt: Do you think you'll have more kids?

No. Y'all done? Yeah. Well then you won't have to deal with the issue of them hitting each other. Cause

Hillary Andersson: comes up . I can, I was raised with two sisters. Yeah.

Jeff Nesbitt: Did you guys fight? Uh,

Hillary Andersson: yeah, we did. We more when we were older I think. I don't remember. So

Jeff Nesbitt: more, uh, verbal a ton when we were younger. More

Hillary Andersson: likely. Oh, very verbal.

Yeah. I don't think there was, And I mean, it's girls. We, we definitely attack more verbal than physical. Yeah. In my experience for sure. It's, it's the petty shit. Yeah. Um, they're, they're my best friends now, but when we were younger there was definitely the ages of the teenage, the teenage

Jeff Nesbitt: rivalry. It's so, it's unavoidable.

. , because I've have ton of [: 00:59:00

It made his life way worse. And then, I mean, luckily once we grew up, we became very close, but I, I still have guilt over it now and it's been a long time. But, so I try to tell my kids, I'm like, You guys just, you don't understand how special your siblings really are. Right? Like you, this is one of the most important relationships, if not the most important relationship you'll ever have.

Yeah. So you guys, you really need to value each other. But it doesn't matter. They don't see it. They'll never see it until it's, until it's until they have to. I was

gonna

Hillary Andersson: say, and that's the hard thing, is like you can. I remember my parents, I have amazing parents. I love them so much, and they are smart and they are strong and they've helped shape the human that I am today.

. Hardest job I've ever had. [: 01:00:00

Jeff Nesbitt: ready.

No, no they won't. And even then, like I try to, I try to release the, uh, the desire to have them understand or relate to or anything in the moment, right? Because a lot of the stuff that my parents. Taught me came much later where like I would think back to something they had said after having life experiences that gave it context and then be like, Oh, okay.

into your worldview and the [: 01:01:00

Hillary Andersson: Yeah. I think very few things happen in the moment. Unfortunately. We want them

Jeff Nesbitt: to. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's interesting too, cuz that's the only thing we ever really ever experience is the moment. It's just one long moment. Yeah. And yet we cannot fully appreciate it in the moment. We always appreciate things in retrospect, or not as much as we do in.

In anticipation. Like the, the, the times I appreciate things the very most are when they're about to happen. like, yeah. That's when I get the most joy out of things. Well,

Hillary Andersson: anticipation. Yeah. That's, that's been a study being an having, So setting something on your calendar, setting a goal, that anticipation.

inally comes to the peak and [: 01:02:00

Well

Jeff Nesbitt: cuz there's a, I mean, if you just want to make it about neurotransmitters. Yeah. It's the dopamine. Dopamine is that anticip chemical and leading up to the thing. And then once the thing happens, you have a drop in dopamine that go, it goes below baseline before it comes back up with the rebound and you get a, a Russian serotonin, which is like the, everything's good.

Mm-hmm. , um, because you accomplish your goal. Right. But that's not as exciting. It doesn't feel as. Happy. Right. As, as the, you're on the right track, feeling

Hillary Andersson: dopamine is a special drug.

Jeff Nesbitt: It really is. It's, it is much needed. Mm-hmm. . Um, okay. So I've got some questions that I can use for pretty much anybody

all right. what activities make you feel like you lose track of time, Get you in a flow state running,

ays been something that I've [: 01:03:00

Mm-hmm. short distances were my thing. Softball's fun. Softball's amazing. Um, and baseball on that note, but yeah, uh, that's what

Jeff Nesbitt: I mean. Same sport. Same

Hillary Andersson: sport. Bigger ball. Yeah. I started running when I lived in Los Angeles to get away from my problems and I just kept running and running and running. And then it became my outlet.

, but somewhere along those lines, it became healing. It, it became less of an escape and more of a, a healing thing. It became more of a positive thing. Kind of therapeutic. Very therapeutic. It's where I can, Well, one of two things. Now that I'm in a healthier place in life, um, I can actually think through my thoughts before it was where I went to shut off my thoughts.

one with my run, things feel [: 01:04:00

Mm-hmm. and like I have figured out the solution. Or if I haven't figured out the solution, I'm probably still running. Yeah. and I'll lose track of time. . If I had endless amount of time, I would probably run a lot more than I do still. Mm-hmm. . Um, I've started biking recently, just a at home stationary bike.

Jeff Nesbitt: Oh, you get the Peloton? I did. Oh, you do Peloton. I do Peloton. That's a very exclusive club. . You're fancy. I'm not,

Hillary Andersson: I'm not fancy. Do you

Jeff Nesbitt: do the live classes? I've

Hillary Andersson: never done a live class. They always happen really early in the morning.

Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. I don't, I don't like that kind of stuff. .

Hillary Andersson: It's, I They're all recorded.

Yeah. I do like being able to get on and have somebody tell me what to do. Have

Jeff Nesbitt: you played the game once? Lane break? Once. That's what I do. Okay. I

Hillary Andersson: think it's fun. I've done it once. , I get on, There's one instructor, her name is Kendall Tool.

Jeff Nesbitt: Oh, I, yeah, I'm

Hillary Andersson: familiar. She's a knockout first of all. Um, but she's just, she's phenomenal.

I love her

nde. Yeah. Yeah, she's good. [: 01:05:00

Hillary Andersson: Um, she's, she's my, she's my people. .

Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. It's cool though. It really does build like a community around fitness. Mm-hmm. that didn't exist before. Um, their stock is doing terrible, but the, the company's cool. We bought, we bought some Peloton stock right after we bought our Peloton.

Okay. Just for the hell of it. Cuz Melissa really likes the company. Yeah. And it was right before their treadmill started killing kids and uh, things went down from there. I have a treadmill. Oh really? The old one? No, the new one. Good. Um, I've heard the new one's great. The new one's fantastic. Like, barely ever kills kids.

Hillary Andersson: It's great. Yeah. That's fantastic

Jeff Nesbitt: news. But yeah, that first one sounded rough.

ison Chains, Lamb of God, to [: 01:06:00

Jeff Nesbitt: what do you, what do you put on when you put on music?

Like do you go to a random, like a Pandora random thing or do you have set, do you listen to full albums? How do you listen to music? Mm.

Hillary Andersson: I have a lot of mixes that have been cultivated over the years and things as I find songs, whether it's on a mix or at the gym or on the radio or SoundHound, it doesn't matter where I find the song, it literally just goes on to like a big master playlist.

Okay. And the playlist is like 13 hours long. So I can just like skip through it and find the song I want or whatever comes on, whether it be something a little bit harsher or country or EDM or pop or

Jeff Nesbitt: you know what? What service do you use? Apple Music. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. I haven't gotten into Apple Music.

I've got Spotify. I was in too deep by the time that Apple Music was invented. I don't even understand what's the difference between Apple Music and iTunes.

puters that you had all your [: 01:07:00

Yeah. Um, you'd like swap CDs with friends to like get the biggest, you know. Um, and then, you know, CDs kind of went away.

Jeff Nesbitt: But you could rip, could rip your CDs into the thing though. So you could, you could steal music with it.

Hillary Andersson: You could steal music with it. They got smart. And then basically every album that, um, people make, so like, I don't any album now, you can just go on and you can just type in like, uh, Keith, Brian, Keith, Brian, any of the Keith's problem. Any, any of them. Um, Taylor Swift, you know, you go on, there's her new album, or Lady Gaga, her new chromatic album.

You go on and you're like, Oh, okay. Just like add to library

Jeff Nesbitt: and you can just stream it or download it. You can

Hillary Andersson: stream it or download it so that it's on your phone permanently, but you pay yearly for the subscription to Apple Music to have access to all of the music. Okay. Yeah. So there's no more like buying individual songs.

Yeah, but I have all the music that I could ever want for 24 bucks

bucks a [: 01:08:00

Hillary Andersson: I never got into Spotify. Um, and then by the time, like you said, it's like you, you know, you choose your one lane. That's a way

Jeff Nesbitt: I love it. I should switch also. I I'm not gonna, I would've a long time ago if I was going to, Well, cuz I had a free year trials of the Apple music and I was just like, I just can't do it.

been with Spotify since like: 2012

It was like the email I had forever. And then now I've had the one I have now for like 12, 13 years and I still feel like this is the new one. Like it's terrible. I.

Marker Heaven and Hell

ther, I gotta start all over [: 01:09:00

Hillary Andersson: save you a seat. It's like lakefront.

Jeff Nesbitt: I keep doing this. I like this place. It's pretty good. , are you religious? Uh,

Hillary Andersson: I'm, I mean, yes, yes and no. I'm more spiritual, religious. I think

Jeff Nesbitt: it's getting pretty hard to be regular religious.

Hillary Andersson: I think that there's a lots of answers.

You know? I don't think there's just one, One God. Yeah. I think there's a lot of them.

Jeff Nesbitt: I think they're, I kind of think that they're all, uh, it doesn't matter the distinction, the, the lines that we draw don't matter because they're not really there. , it's kind of similar to where like, we're sitting in this room, the molecules of the air that are up against our skin, they're.

r, but a molecule outta your [: 01:10:00

Mm-hmm. . So that empty space is just continu, it's a continuation of the space that's everywhere. So, Okay. There's no separation. So to me, the God distinction is, is almost only relevant in this space time. Like, so you say it might

Hillary Andersson: not be relevant and you say, you know, there's no distinction, but you believe in hell.

Jeff Nesbitt: I really don't. Okay. I really don't. I think hell is gonna be, um, I, I think that consciousness is fundamental to reality. Mm-hmm. . So a consciousness being an observer. A point of observation, something to have an experience. So for hell to exist as a physical place where all different consciousness is people go to.

have to be a physical place [: 01:11:00

You never know. It's possible. It's not. You believe there's

Hillary Andersson: other beings beyond us out there?

Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah, I do. I do believe in interdimensional beings and things like that. So, um, maybe it's an interdimensional thing, but it just doesn't make practical sense also in the whole system. It doesn't, there's no purpose, like there, It doesn't serve a, a purpose to me other than, To instill fear and to control people and fear-based structures and fear-based systems that, that you can claim ownership to are manipulative inherently.

l of experience , is within. [: 01:12:00

That's a really good feeling. And I think that's probably what heaven is, is just that, that knowledge that everything's okay and that your individual consciousness is not really even important. And it's different than your ego is different than yourself and all this stuff. We, we know this inherently, and it's, we forget, but I think that that would be heaven is, is to just to know that all the time and to kind of have access to all, .

Experiences simultaneously. And I think hell would be the exact opposite of that, which would be to have access to no experiences and to know nothing but the feeling of separation. That's what I think. I like it. What do you think

Hillary Andersson: I don't know. I have a hard time putting those thoughts into words.

Jeff Nesbitt: Why do you think it is that that people do struggle so much to talk about that stuff? Fair. Because I get exactly, I get the, I get the, the strangest reactions from people when I try to talk about it. , and I've always talked about it cuz I grew up in it.

I was [: 01:13:00

Hillary Andersson: I think it's really hard for people to try and explain and take apart something that they don't understand.

Yeah. Because you have, I've found that a lot of people have like one of two ways of really looking at it. Either you believe it because it's how you were raised and you're told this is God, If you don't obey God, you're gonna go to hell. , God created all, we abide by this. This is a sin, you know, If you sin, you're going to hell.

Yeah. And you're raised in that structure. And then as you grow and you evolve and you get your own mind and you start to understand what you believe it might be, Well, I believe there's something greater out there. I do. I, I have to believe for myself, that's, I believe there's something greater out there.

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Call it karma. Call it the universe, you know, call it whatever you want. There's something greater. Mm-hmm. . Um, and whether that's just putting it out into the universe, putting out good, good energy, good vibes, call it whatever you want. Everybody has a different opinion and that's amazing. It's, you gotta put that energy out.

You gotta be grateful for like, grateful for the day. My son and I say, Well, we're grateful for every night before bed. And it's not. That's very powerful. It's not so much as like, Dear God, thank you so much for this day. It's, Hey buddy. You know, let's say our nighttime, you. Grateful thoughts. Mm-hmm. and I, I ask him like, What are you grateful for today?

Yeah. That feels good. Like [: 01:15:00

Jeff Nesbitt: something bigger than us.

Yeah. It doesn't even matter what the thing is. Like, we used to do that quite a bit, but we've kind of dropped off lately. But yeah, it's the act of putting yourself in a place of gratitude. Mm-hmm. is, is what's really profound because then you're, you're already there when you start or finish your day.

Like Yeah. It's, it's a very good habit to get into. I wanna get back into that. I haven't done that for a while. You should.

Hillary Andersson: It's amazing. I love ending the day that way with him because I feel like it's, if it's one practice that I can instill at a young age, it's like thinking about what you're grateful for during the day.

Then you're not gonna wake up and be pissed off at the world. Yeah. You're gonna wake up feeling grateful. Yeah. And you're gonna go to bed remembering what you're grateful for. Like, that will be your last thought when you

Jeff Nesbitt: think you learned that the gratitude benefits?

Hillary Andersson: Not long ago, honestly. I feel like I was definitely an adult.

five years ago, trying to be [: 01:16:00

Jeff Nesbitt: Um, the amount it effects your mental health is so crazy. It's huge. It's similar to the way it feels when, uh, you're like somebody who's never drank much water and then you get hydrated for the first time.

Yeah. Or somebody who can't sleep, and then you, you get really good sleep for the first time. . Yeah. It's like, holy shit. People feel like this all the time. This is a whole new world. Wow. And it, and it really just does come from how you frame your life. It's how you, how you see yourself in the big picture and wh why it's easy to feel grateful for stuff.

I think that part of, uh, being a kid, you're. A lot of times you feel like you don't have a lot of control. And so one thing you do have control over is feeling resentful. And if you, if you feel resentful of people or if you look for ways that things could go bad for you or things have been going bad for you, which is natural, everybody does it naturally.

r adulthood and that kind of [: 01:17:00

And then that's, yeah, it really has an impact.

Hillary Andersson: Okay. Question for you then as a kid. Um, Do you think that's nature versus nurture? Ooh. Because if you're a kid, and I mean, I'm raising my son and he doesn't it to me, he doesn't wake up feeling resentful. Mm-hmm. , like, I feel like that might be something that's learned versus just you don't know what your emotions are.

You don't know what to feel. So you inherently feel regretful or resentful to everything that you can't explain. That's, that's teaching. Yeah. To me anyway. That's, that's teaching. Like, you don't have to feel regret. Like if you feel your big emotions, that's great. Feel your big emotions. Let's talk about them.

Are you frustrated? Mm-hmm. , like, tell me you can be frustrated.

p against the time when he's [: 01:18:00

And, um, when you come at, with, come at it with like, Well, let's break this down a little bit. Let's, let's get to the bottom. There's just like, No, how about you shut up? And it's like, I mean in, in essence, that's what Yeah. I'm talking about like, you get, you get the picture. it feels like a righteous, a righteous form of negative emotions where they, they want to have it, like they feel entitled to it.

Mm-hmm. and I don't have that because I have recognized a long time ago that I don't want to have negative emotions. It's not something that's fun or enjoyable to me. And so I'll as quickly as possible, once I recognize them mm-hmm. , I'd like to end them. Yeah. And, and, but not everyone feels that way. And it can, it can be hard to navigate that.

arning because I do, when he [: 01:19:00

And he wouldn't be able to do that if I was just like, Oh, are you pissed? Like, what are you pissed about? Yeah. He doesn't know what being pissed was. He's just feeling it in his body. He just knows that he's upset and he doesn't know how to explain it. Um, it's my job as his mom to be like, Feel it. Scream.

Okay, You wanna scream into a pillow? Scream into a pillow. I scream into a pillow. Hell, it helps. Yeah. But like after you're done with that, after you can take a deep breath and like, bring yourself back. Let's figure out why you were pissed. And nine times out of 10, he is able to walk himself back and figure out exactly what it was he was upset about.

ted? And he's like, I wanted [: 01:20:00

And that's okay.

Jeff Nesbitt: I think that's a huge part of really all they need to learn at the young years. Like that birth to three or four years old is like, being able to label your emotions is such an important skill. A lot of adults don't have it, and, and they get actually really good at coming up with excuses or, or, or attributing their emotions to something that it's not.

And that is a very important skill to have. So that's, that's really good. Yeah. Yeah.

Hmm. How about, what about food? Are you a foodie? Love food. You

Hillary Andersson: cook? Huge food

Jeff Nesbitt: eater. What's your favorite

Hillary Andersson: summer fruit? My favorite summer fruit is pineapple. Oh, that's a good one. Yeah. It's also a thing I'm

Jeff Nesbitt: allergic to. You're allergic to your favorite summer fruit?

Hillary Andersson: Yeah, I'm allergic to my favorite fruit food in general.

That's

without losing a ton of the. [: 01:21:00

I mean, that outer, outer part of the flesh is the very sweetest part.

Hillary Andersson: So this is an amazing tool that I only learned about a couple of years ago, probably about five years ago. You literally screw it. You cut off the head. Mm-hmm. , you screw it into the pineapple and it takes a very minimal amount of the skin off.

Like you still have some of those little posi like,

Jeff Nesbitt: oh, it screws around the outside. It

Hillary Andersson: screws like down and around the outside. So it's like this. And you pull out the core and it like scrapes off the outside. It's, That sounds

Jeff Nesbitt: great. It's the ticket. Yeah. Pineapple fresh pineapple's delicious. It's amazing.

Hard to beat. Yeah. How often do you cook ?

Hillary Andersson: Uh, not, not very often anymore. Yeah. It's hard when you are busy. Yeah. No. Um, cooking falls to the bottom of my list. I love to cook. I do not like having to clean up afterwards. Yeah. I don't

Jeff Nesbitt: like that part either. Yeah. That part sucks.

Hillary Andersson: It's so, I don't mind doing dishes, but I don't like having to do both.

Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. [: 01:22:00

Hillary Andersson: I do a lot of laundry past

Jeff Nesbitt: 7:00 PM I don't do laundry at all. Oh, you're lucky. . That's, Yeah. I, I am very lucky.

Shout out Melissa . She does all the laundry for me.

Hillary Andersson: That's, She gets, she gets big credit in my eyes for doing all the laundry.

Jeff Nesbitt: Mine too. Yeah. I don't, I don't forget that. Like I used to have to do my own laundry and. It sucked. And now you don't I didn't do it as much. Yeah. I would, I mean, I did, I did laundry.

Like an ADHD person does laundry. Okay. I had, I had my clean pile and my dirty pile. Sure. And that's it. Totally.

Hillary Andersson: Uh, when Yeah. Laundry is, I, I get a lot of laundry done after I put aid into bed. Yeah. There's a ton of laundry done. And it's good. You know, I put on a podcast You have a nice space to do it. No.

Mm-hmm. Oh no. Sure don't. Nope. A laundry room is something I long

In my garage. Oh, so you're [: 01:23:00

Hillary Andersson: garage is attached to my house, but is it

Jeff Nesbitt: heated? Yeah. Oh, okay. Well, that's okay. Yeah, that's basically insulated.

It's

Hillary Andersson: got a concrete extra bedroom for your car. I mean, it's my pantry, like, it's our workout room, it's our laundry room. It's really a, Yeah.

Jeff Nesbitt: Have you ever tried those meal delivery services?

Hillary Andersson: Yes. So I did Hello Fresh for quite a while. Um, and I liked it. I was good at it for a while. They use a lot of sauces, ton of salt, too.

Ton of salt

Jeff Nesbitt: I wanted and sugar. They put sugar in way too many things. They put

Hillary Andersson: sugar in a lot of things and I wanted it to be healthier than it was. And then when I started looking at it, I was like, This isn't super healthy, but it was healthier than getting, you know, a burger and fries or sushi

Jeff Nesbitt: every night.

Yeah, the burgers on Hello Fresh are the best thing they make it. They are really, really good. They have, they have changed the way I make burgers.

Hillary Andersson: They had a beef bulge that I absolutely.

Jeff Nesbitt: Love. Yeah, we, we like that one too. That's, Begoge has been become a word in our house that didn't exist before . It's so good.

We [: 01:24:00

Hillary Andersson: think so it's originally, it's a Korean dish.

Yeah. Um, which I didn't know.

Jeff Nesbitt: I've learned that on the Costco bag. Oh, there you go. Yeah.

Hillary Andersson: Love Costco. Me too. Um, But I thought it was the sauce. I thought it was like the way the meat was prepared with the rice and the beef and the sauce and the cas. I thought it was the sauce

Jeff Nesbitt: too. I thought it, but maybe not.

I have no idea. Maybe it was the sauce and it's in these pot stickers. I don't know. But they're better than the normal pot stickers, those lings, which are good. Which are good. Which are good. I ate a lot of lings

Hillary Andersson: back in the day.

Jeff Nesbitt: Me too. Yeah. Too many. I burned myself. I haven't had them out for a long time.

Yeah. Yeah. I burned myself out years ago.

Hillary Andersson: Um, so cooking, not a ton of cooking anymore. What are you

at are your favorite places? [: 01:25:00

Hillary Andersson: Well, I am a sushi girl through and through. It's my favorite food.

Uh, anybody who knows me knows like, it is delicious. What does Hillary want? Like, oh, she wants sushi. Like, But she just had it yesterday. Yeah. She wants it again. Does your husband like sushi?

Jeff Nesbitt: He loves sushi. What about your kid?

Hillary Andersson: Uh, he's had some sushi. He's only had. Just a small amount. He was down

Jeff Nesbitt: for it.

It's really, there's some that are good for kids. Start 'em early. So they get used to the, the ocean flavor.

Hillary Andersson: My son loves steak. Oh, nice. My son will take down a ribeye, a ribeye, like a full ribeye, like a full ribeye. He'll eat three quarters of it all by himself. Wow. And I'm not talking like overcooked, like he will eat a medium rare rib.

Mm-hmm. , like it's his ma last meal.

Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. All of my kids like steak. Medium rare. Which gosh, I found very surprising.

Hillary Andersson: I, I haven't been able to eat red meat like steak in almost three years. It was just an aversion after I had Aiden. Really? Yeah. He stole your meat Love. He stole my meat Love. Wow.

Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. That's terrible.

heard of the Lone Star tick? [: 01:26:00

Hillary Andersson: forever.

There's no remedy cure? I

Jeff Nesbitt: don't think so. I think you're just done with beef.

Hillary Andersson: Yeah. See, I would have a problem with that because even though I can't eat like a steak, like steak just makes my stomach turn. I will go to town on a cheeseburger.

Jeff Nesbitt: Mm-hmm. , when was the last time you tried steak? Two nights ago.

Okay. So it's a for

Hillary Andersson: sure thing. I keep trying, I keep hoping. Oh, because I, I don't mind the smell. That's not true. I mind the smell, but I want to like the smell when it's like the butter and the salt

Jeff Nesbitt: and then I was gonna suggest trying the smell and to get you, you know, get the, the stimulation back. Yeah.

But that didn't do it, huh? I

Hillary Andersson: mean, it's hard not to smell it. You bring it in from the grill and everything smells like it and it just,

Jeff Nesbitt: it's so good. Ugh. But yeah, that,

Hillary Andersson: that would be terrible. I want to love it so

bad. I didn't love, I didn't [: 01:27:00

So a steak was never something I loved. It was always like really kind of a stressful dinner cuz I was like, uh, you gotta navigate the fatty chunk. Sure. And the gr yeah. And you're doing all of this while being watched and monitored and, and trying to get, get the pieces of the dog that need to go to the dog when no one's looking.

It's just the whole thing. And uh, once like I was out on my own paying for my own food. I was no longer eating steak for obvious reasons. And, uh, yeah. And so by the time I was like married the second time and cooking steak regularly and actually getting good at it, I also fucked up steaks for like years because I didn't know Were you overcooking them?

like a one time used product [: 01:28:00

Hillary Andersson: My, It's, it's huge in our house. My husband and my son loves steak. Yeah. It's like you're ribeye family.

Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. We're a ribeye family. I used to do the ribeyes and I've, I started getting New Yorks just cuz they're usually on sale. And I actually like New York better now

Hillary Andersson: we have New York, so Freddy's will have like, you know, the three or four New Yorks for under 20 bucks.

Yeah. And I'm like, that's fantastic. So I get that quite often. But I do, I do splurge on, on some buys because I know it's, They're so good. It's the favorite

Jeff Nesbitt: bone. It's flavor is and the, Just the fattiness. The marbling. The marbling. That's a good cut of meat. Yep. That's a good cut of meat. So that's,

Hillary Andersson: But I can't do it.

Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. So what do you eat instead? A lot of salads with. Salads. Chicken. Mm-hmm. . Those are good too. New

Hillary Andersson: salads. I make a really good shrimp taco. Oh wow.

Mm-hmm.

ary Andersson: prawns. Yeah. [: 01:29:00

Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. Do you get the precooked ones or the Not No. Raw. You

Hillary Andersson: gotta do rock. Cause otherwise you're overcooking them.

Yeah. By the time you haw them and then put them back in the pan, then they're robbery, rubbery. No good. Um, corn tortilla is,

Jeff Nesbitt: I have a hard time cooking shrimp correctly too. They always end up rubbery

Hillary Andersson: once they turn pink, they're done. Yeah. I guess. And it takes like three minutes and that's it. It's quick.

It's quick. It's so quick. Which is another reason I love them.

Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. You ever eat 'em undercooked though? No. It's bad. It's very bad. I don't like that. I gotta texture. I like text. Certain textures are really hit or miss. Mm-hmm. get that weird. You ever get that just like sudden disgusted feeling on a food that you like, like I get it with a deli Turkey.

, I, I've got it with steak. [: 01:30:00

I can't say I've experienced. That could just be a weird thing for, I

Hillary Andersson: can't say I've experienced that. I, I am a texture person though. Mm-hmm. . Um, some textures are just really hard for me. Grits, A lot of people love it. It's a texture thing for me. Grits are weird. They're like waxy. Okay. But also it's like the oatmeal cream of wheat, like that whole family.

Oh,

Jeff Nesbitt: you like that whole family of foods? No, that whole family of like malto meal. You ever tried that? Yes, I have. It's very lumpy.

Hillary Andersson: I just, that whole cottage cheese is another one. Like, Oh yeah.

Jeff Nesbitt: I love cottage cheese. But yeah, I can, I can see how that could be disgusting. I like yogurt,

Hillary Andersson: but it has to have like fresh fruit and granola in it.

Jeff Nesbitt: Mm-hmm. some texture.

Hillary Andersson: It has to have some texture. Yeah. But not. You know, not like a grainy, slimy, weird

Jeff Nesbitt: texture. Yeah. I don't like big Glo, like, uh, What's that? Pan Cota. You ever had a good pan Cota? I've had a good pan Cota, I like them, but it needs a crunch. Okay. I think maybe throw a crust on that thing.

ange to me. Same with jello, [: 01:31:00

Hillary Andersson: what would you like to see on a

Jeff Nesbitt: jello? Something crunchy. Really? I need something to bite. Like I chew ice cream.

I like to have something to chew on. .

Hillary Andersson: So do you ever just have like vanilla ice cream or does it always

Jeff Nesbitt: have to have vanilla eat whatever kind you got and you chew it?

Hillary Andersson: Yeah, I'll chew it. Do you put anything in it?

Jeff Nesbitt: Sometimes if, What are you chewing? Not available. The ice cream, it's frozen. It's a solid.

It's not a milkshake. I don't chew milkshakes. I'm not a sociopath. Well, you

Hillary Andersson: chew ice cream. I'm not so

Jeff Nesbitt: sure. It's just a way to digest the food quicker. I don't. Okay. I do do it though. I've noticed myself do it. Um,

Hillary Andersson: So you don't have sensitive teeth

Jeff Nesbitt: then, is what you're saying? No, no, I don't. My teeth are mostly fake.

ck pretty bad. It sucks. And [: 01:32:00

And when I went in, finally the gap had closed, my other teeth just moved. I also have hyper mobility, so my shit just moves around and, uh, yeah, the gap closed and he is like, All right, well, We don't have anywhere to put this other crown. So you just, this is how your teeth are now. So you

Hillary Andersson: don't have a crown.

Is your nerve

Jeff Nesbitt: exposed? No, it's uh, it was

Hillary Andersson: just your tooth was filed down and you

Jeff Nesbitt: had a crown on top. Yeah. Copy. It's a root canal, that root canal tooth. But um, yeah, so now the, my jaw shifted and now I have awful jaw pain. Oh yeah. And I actually had horrible jaw pain my whole life leading up to getting braces right before all this crown stuff happened.

le thing happened and now my [: 01:33:00

Hillary Andersson: good. I clench my jaw. Oh yeah. And I wake up with headaches and excruciating jaw pain.

Jeff Nesbitt: You ever get a mouth

Hillary Andersson: guard? I have a mouth guard. I take it out and throw it across the room in my sleep. Me too.

Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. I would wake up and it would be in the bed. Oh yeah.

Hillary Andersson: Yeah. Mine's

Jeff Nesbitt: like clear across the room. Yeah. Stuck in the wall like a throwing star. Oh my

Hillary Andersson: gosh. It's like I found it on my dresser. I found it under my dresser.

I found it like in my hamper. I'm like,

Jeff Nesbitt: where the fuck is this nighttime sleep? You is not the same person as the one who goes to bed. It's no, it's just like, And it's weird too cuz when you're in that state, you, you're, you're different. Like you don't have the same intentions. It's

Hillary Andersson: the one I stopped sleeping with it because I was tired of trying to find it the next day.

Mm-hmm. , I sleep pretty, I'm the weird, I am the, I am the weird person that sleeps like in one position and doesn't like flat on

my back. Well, yeah, you're [: 01:34:00

What you, as opposed to on your side? Well, yeah. When you, you wanna just kind of protect

Hillary Andersson: that shit. Do you sleep in the fetal

Jeff Nesbitt: position? Doesn't everybody, No. Huh? Well,

Hillary Andersson: no, I sleep on my back. You wanna take

Jeff Nesbitt: the risk . You live with a cop, you're probably safe. Yeah,

Hillary Andersson: I sleep on my back very still. Um, and I Do you cross your hands,

Jeff Nesbitt: like on your chest?

Like, I'm dead in a coffin? That seems like, what would be natural? ? No,

Hillary Andersson: they're usually just right here. That's pretty close. Yeah. No, I wake up and you can see like where I've slept and then the bed is just,

Jeff Nesbitt: that's crazy to me. Just made, That's crazy to me. You must feel great. You just sleep all night and wake up and go to go on with your day.

Do you dream?

Hillary Andersson: Uh, no. Not in a long time. Wow,

Jeff Nesbitt: that's odd.

Hillary Andersson: Well, my sleep is interrupted a lot lately with my son. Oh. So it's, I

Jeff Nesbitt: don't Do you have him in his own room? Yes. Does he get up and come into yours?

carry him. Oh, okay. Because [: 01:35:00

Jeff Nesbitt: Oh, okay. Yes. He can't get outta that thing.

Fuck. Good job. I, we never did make the crib work on ours.

Hillary Andersson: Not yet. It's uh, he was a very noisy sleeper. I tried doing like the co-sleep thing and he like ground his jaw and was clicking his tongue and shit and I was like, You've gotta go. Yeah. I can't sleep and I need sleep. Yeah. So he went to his own room and there he's been for damn near three years.

That's

Jeff Nesbitt: gotta be nice. Yeah. We haven't been that successful with that. So how, what's your sleep getting disrupted by?

Hillary Andersson: He's been waking up. He wakes up and he cries and then, you know, go in console him. Rock. Sometimes it just doesn't work. Yeah. And whatever he's working through, I'm not gonna fight it at two o'clock in the morning when I'm half asleep and he's half asleep.

And so, you know, snuggle him for a while and then if he goes back down, great. If not, it's.

. I actually slept good last [: 01:36:00

Yeah. Usually my sleeps are like, I'll lay down for an hour. Okay. Get up, walk around a bit, lay back down, get up, walk around a bit all night long, just like over and over and over again. But I don't know what the factor is that leads me to be able to just do it on one random day. Just sleep like a normal person and I would love to figure it out, but I, I can't seem to, I guess it wasn't that normal.

I fell asleep on the floor. Um, not this floor, but a similar floor. Okay. And, uh, woke up. and went into the bed at some point. I don't even remember going into the letter last night. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But I must have been really just really tired. I don't know. Sleep. Sleep evades me most times. Try

Hillary Andersson: you. I'm sure you have.

Do you, have you tried meditating? Have you tried box breathing? Oh,

Nesbitt: I do all that stuff [: 01:37:00

Eat the right foods. Like try to get my circadian rhythms right. And then see how it is. Maybe you have a form of narcolepsy? Uh, maybe, but I don't sleep during the day. Well, very much. It's clear. Is it narcolepsy when you just fall asleep

Hillary Andersson: randomly? I mean, mild forms of narcolepsy can be like, Oh yeah, this person can just like take a nap anywhere they want and they can have like a mild form of narcolepsy.

Mm-hmm. . Or like I've, I've heard and read of studies, um, but people who can't sleep during the night and they're just like up and down. I mean, insomnia is a very real thing,

Jeff Nesbitt: but Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's terrible. I wish I could sleep well, but if you have the

Hillary Andersson: opposite

Jeff Nesbitt: of narcolepsy. Yeah, I have the opposite. I stay up too much.

t you were gonna talk about? [: 01:38:00

Hillary Andersson: Uh, oh, Well, you had asked me, you know, about the market, Market stats. Market stats and things like that, but I think that might bore people. Yeah. Okay. the market shifted, average days on market is.

Jeff Nesbitt: Is, and that's

Hillary Andersson: normal, right? Yeah, it is. Well, I mean, if we look back historically, it's, now we're going back to what people are calling like the normal. Okay. Um, to where like 20 19, 20 18, 20 17, we had a much greater inventory and days on market where sometimes, you know, 60, 70, 80, 90 days on market was normal Uhhuh where um, whereas we just came out of 24 months where, you know, you'd have like 24

Jeff Nesbitt: days on market.

Yeah. It's so not a reason to panic.

Hillary Andersson: If you look back historically, as far as like interest rates, inventory, we're still in a historical low for inventory.

So the supply and demand and like the fear of the crash. Mm-hmm. , we still have historically low inventories. And a huge demand. Yeah. So it's not going anywhere. Yeah.

Jeff Nesbitt: But [: 01:39:00

Bring in some cash and what do you think that industry's gonna be? Probably crypto.

Hillary Andersson: Okay. Most likely. I know nothing about crypto. I'm here to tell you,

Jeff Nesbitt: You don't wanna get into it. It'll just break your heart. Okay. . I, I feel like it's, it's hard for me to even talk about it anymore. It. I stepped away from it just temporarily so that I could preserve my mental health.

And every, When I went back, everything was so different. It had only been a couple months and like whole projects had risen and fallen and it had been just a whole nother landscape. Things change really fast. Okay. And if you don't have the time to invest in research and or the interest, like a lot of people just don't have the interest, which right now I don't.

can't learn about it. So I'm [: 01:40:00

But for now, I don't see anything that excited about it. The metaverse, that's another thing that, that was all about a year ago. Everyone was talking about the metaverse and now it's, it's, it only took a year for that term to be coined, come into popularity, and then crash and burn. And Mark Zuckerberg is crying about it.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, what, uh, let's see. We've done two, almost two hours. Oh my goodness. That's, We're already, we're done.

cover? Closing words, final [: 01:41:00