Cannabis for Covid-19 and Other Exciting Technological Advances with Cooper Belisle

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[00:01:31] In fact, speaking of which

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[00:01:59] [00:02:00] Over that same time period at the time of this recording, many stocks and cryptocurrencies have started to recover a little bit and regain some of that loss value, but most analysts remain skeptical in light of the current state of the U S economy and the uncertainty about the future BTC Bitcoin saw some of the worst losses bottoming out around $35,000 per coin, which is a low not seen since the beginning of the last bull run back in July, 2021.

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[00:02:42] Crypto.com. The popular exchange and cryptocurrency trading app was hacked. And they finally admitted this in a recent blog post. this is from the crypto.com blog post on January 20th, 2020. Summary on January 17th, 2022 crypto.com [00:03:00] learned that a small number of users had unauthorized crypto withdrawals on their accounts.

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[00:03:22] What happened. On Monday, January 17th at approximately 12:46 AM. Crypto dot coms risk monitoring systems detected unauthorized activity on a small number of user accounts where transactions were being approved without the two factor authentication control being inputted by the user. So basically they saw some shady shit going on.

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[00:04:12] And this is keep in mind when we were sitting at six month lows. it was reported in the news at $30 million. So there's a lot of cheddar, people are probably wondering whether or not they can still trust this app personally, do what you want. But personally, I think, yes. So they reimbursed everybody who was affected and they caught it when it happened.

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[00:04:48] It was something like 1.2 salon, I think, and that stings, it really hurts, but it's nothing compared to losing $30 million. So I'm glad they did the right thing. I use crypto.com myself and I think [00:05:00] they're a great service. So I, I would trust them still. We're still in the very early ages of this crypto world.

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[00:09:20] You know, it's often said that we're living in the information age with the internet and Google. All of human knowledge is available with the click of a mouse. But in this age of information, it's becoming increasingly hard to know who you can. Trust news media outlets are peddling his stereo by the bushel and the internet is full of snowflakes, Q and ons, Russian trolls and pedophiles.

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[00:10:05] Welcome to better know a bias bias of the week. This week is the availability heuristic. Now the availability heuristic is why we worry more about something rare, like a plane crash, then something objective the deadlier, like Rotax.

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[00:10:49] And we, we, we thus make the false assumption that they are more common and more likely to happen to them. The availability, heuristic shapes [00:11:00] a great deal of the way we experience the world. The way we think about things every day in our own life. Because what you see is what you know, and what you know is your truth.

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[00:11:30] They are in the business of scaring us. They're in the business of showing us what's the most dangerous from across the world. Condensed down into an easy to consume terrifying. Including music and everything it's designed to make you feel fear because people who are afraid like to buy stuff, look, I'm no expert, but that feels true to me.

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[00:12:21] If you read stories about beautiful things that happen in the. Rather than murder mysteries and you know, the stuff that gets your motor running, it, doesn't have to be negative.

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[00:13:05] And you've got to figure out what works for.

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[00:13:22] That's a fact check says FactCheck did studies show that marijuana prevents COVID transfers? And this is published in Newsweek on 1 21 22 Let's check it out.

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[00:14:02] Since the start of the Corona virus pandemic, there have been a number of scientific studies exploring the potential links between cannabis and COVID-19 including a January, 2021 study assessing antiviral, potencies of cannabinoids against SARS cov two and in Israeli project to develop CBD based treatments for the Corona virus in 2010.

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[00:14:51] But while these and other studies into potential preventative or therapeutic treatments against the virus are encouraging the headline grabbing aspects of the research [00:15:00] tend to obscure critical information and nuance in the findings.

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[00:15:34] Clearly. That CBDA and CBGA are both able to block cell entry by SARS cov to the concentrations needed to block infection by 50% of viruses is high, but might be clinically achieved. The research authors explained, reiterating that any potential treatment should be combined with proper doses of the COVID vaccine.

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[00:16:20] Nor that there is any reason to believe that marijuana could be more effective than vaccines. This research, which included both cell based findings, preclinical studies and analysis of patient data, showing a link between CBD consumption and the SARS cov two infection.

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[00:16:55] It also supported previous findings that the substance suppresses cytokine [00:17:00] activation and response to viral infection, reducing the likelihood of immune cell recruitment and subsequent cytokine storms within the lungs and other affected tissues. Yeah. Right off. Fuck cytokine. But the authors also highlighted a number of issues, both with regards to using existing commercial products for prevention and treatment of COVID and developing new ones while CBD containing products are available on the market.

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[00:17:44] Oh, I guess I got that part wrong. That sucks. Okay. Well, that's not, not quite as exciting, but still pretty awesome. Actually, it's even more awesome because anybody can use it. Let's see, let's see what they say about that. This essentially eliminates the feasibility of marijuana [00:18:00] serving as an effective source of antiviral CBD.

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[00:18:29] Basically they're saying, okay, well it says right here, Newsweek at least says the ruling mostly false. A number of scientific studies into the effects of CBD or compounds derived from cannabis on SARS cov, two virus transmission have indeed shown promising results. However, did not broadly assess possible medicinal qualities or antiviral properties of the marijuana plant, which contains many other compounds in addition to CBD

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[00:19:12] Well, that's a little bit unclear, isn't it?

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[00:19:37] CBD does, does help with COVID a little bit, uh, but don't odds. They'll get the vaccination. Make sure you still get your shot. Of course, don't forget to get the shot and said, so they're just like kind of lukewarm in about it, you know? Right in the middle, if that's, I mean, that's how I interpret. If you disagree or you have a different interpretation, drop me a line, or [00:20:00] go onto Facebook and leave a comment on the ramble by the river page.

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[00:20:20] There's a lot of nitpicking and like, oh, we don't know about the other parts of the bland, um, fuck that who cares? It's a plant, you know, people have been smoking it and consuming it for thousands of years. I think people are going to be fine, but I mean, not to bitch, but that's my opinion. I think that that article had a serious.

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[00:20:50] You may remember my guest today from his critically acclaimed appearance on season one of ramble, by the way.

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[00:21:15] Episode 22 from season one. Very good. Especially for you men out there really made me rethink, ever ignoring my balls. it's been very helpful and yeah, go check it out. He's a great guy. I've known him for a long time and he's, he's interesting. He's funny. He's thoughtful yeah, he's got some cool stuff to talk about today.

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Cooper Belisle 2

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[00:00:01] Cooper. Belisle as I live in breathe.

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[00:00:05] Jeff Nesbitt: you, Jeff. Thank you for being here. Of course.

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[00:00:11] Welcome back to the show. Thank you, Jeff. Appreciate it so much for coming. Of course. how you man, man, it's been a year or I guess when, when was your episode? April or so? It was April. Yeah. Um, it's been one of my favorite episodes still to this day.

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[00:00:32] Cooper Belisle: Should I say insanity, man? Yeah. I've had a lot of good feedback and you know, I don't, I'm, I'm not the most interesting guy in the world, but I think we had a really interesting conversation for sure.

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[00:00:41] Jeff Nesbitt: you're very

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[00:00:54] Jeff Nesbitt: Which one did you get?

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[00:01:08] So I laid in my bed for a week, felt sorry for myself and, uh, got through, but I'm alive,

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[00:01:22] Cooper Belisle: Yeah. Um, I got pretty sick. , I started feeling kind of, it was a Monday night. I started feeling not too great.

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[00:01:53] Cause I don't want to make anybody else sick, but you know, we're all gonna probably get it eventually. So it's starting to look that way. Huh? Yeah. [00:02:00] So it's a bummer, but you know, I was going to come down, but I didn't want to make my dad or anybody else. I know sick, so I just laid low, but um, I'm happy to be here.

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[00:02:10] Cooper Belisle: yeah, we've come a long way.

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[00:02:22] Jeff Nesbitt: I did not know. Um, no monoclonal antibodies. Uh, yeah.

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[00:02:32] She showed me up with some, some medicine shop in the hospital and, you know, I, I, by then I was kind of getting past it already. So I'm not quite sure how well it helped, but I like to think I'm reasonably healthy. I'm young. I don't smoke. I'm not, you know, not too out of shape. Thankfully. So

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[00:02:58] I don't want to make a bad claim, but [00:03:00] sure. It's associated with a better circumstances with COVID like it protects you from, from COVID something to do with the spike protein and the cannabinoid receptors, but interesting stuff. So it's interesting.

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[00:03:15] I mean, I smoked weed a little bit when I was younger, but it just never been my thing, nothing against it. It's just makes me kind of antsy and I'm not a very fun person to be around when I'm high. So I gave that up a long time ago, but yeah, there's nothing wrong with it. I mean, I think everybody should, you know, toe up here and there every once in a while.

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[00:03:39] Jeff Nesbitt: that is interesting though. I would like to see a lot more research on that. Definitely they could do it. Um, what is it epidemiological? Epidemiological study where they just call and ask or not call, nobody answers their phone anymore, but they just survey people and they ask like, Hey, do you smoke weed?

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[00:04:17] And they're looking for specific results.

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[00:04:35] I know. I'm not saying I'm anti-vax. I mean, I think people should have a choice to do what they want. I mean, I'm kind of the outlier, but obviously the majority of people are totally fine, but, you know? Yeah. So

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[00:04:50] Cooper Belisle: I'm kind of on the fence actually, now that I've actually had COVID I have antibodies now. And I like to think, I mean, again, I'm no doctor, but I like to think I'm better protected against it. Yeah. You know, [00:05:00] you

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[00:05:02] Cooper Belisle: says, you know, I mean, obviously again, we're only a couple of years into the same.

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[00:05:21] So I think it was just a vaccine.

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[00:05:24] Cooper Belisle: guess. Yeah. I mean, I've never been, I mean, besides, besides cancer, I've never been like really, really sick in my entire life besides getting taxis. I mean, yeah. RC cancer was the outlier, but, uh,

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[00:05:43] It's like, it's not a, it's not an infection. It's not a virus. It's, it's something that's kind of intrinsic in our DNA and it just goes, Hey,

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[00:05:58] Jeff Nesbitt: oh, by the way, listeners, if you haven't already [00:06:00] heard Cooper's last appearance on the podcast, and you're curious about his cancer, we talked all about it on that episode.

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[00:06:33] Done, but okay. Those things are still true, but I was unaware of the after-effects outrageous amounts of itching that, oh my God Cooper the itching. It's it's unreal. I, it, like, I don't even use an alarm clock anymore. Cause I get out of bed and start my day when my balls it's too bad to stay asleep.

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[00:06:59] Jeff Nesbitt: I had, [00:07:00] I had seen a doctor and the results of that were, oh yeah, vasectomy scars are itchy. And something about that. Didn't strike me as information that mattered in, in the, in the lead up to it. Sure. But then once it, you know, once the rubber hits the road,

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[00:07:20] I mean, I, I, as I told you, last time I had a vasectomy too. And, , I had pain for maybe three, four days slight pain. That was it.

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[00:07:33] Cooper Belisle: Uh, I believe it was an incision. Yeah. They numb you slice cut tie off the, I don't know,

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[00:07:43] They use a little contraption that rather than slicing the skin, the scrotum with a, with a scalpel, they hooked me up to this little machine that like tore a hole in it, like, yeah. And they, the justification for that was that it's your skin is like a lattice work. [00:08:00] And when you do it that way, and it's an irregular edge, it heals better and it heals in a more.

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[00:08:20] The lattice work connected up so good that these nerves, that weren't getting a good connection before now. They're like hyper-connected so I'm just aware of every little itch. Wow, dude, it's insane. I've never experienced an itch like this. Um, oh, it's just crazy. Just crazy. Yeah.

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[00:08:48] I need to know, I apparently, I guess they used to actually cut through the sack and just take it right out in there. And they, obviously that kind of plays is not, doesn't heal up the best kind of case in point in your situation. [00:09:00] And then they, they kind of learned eventually they started cutting through the groin like they did with me and they cut through all that muscle right there.

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[00:09:25] So

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[00:09:27] Jeff Nesbitt: a lot of blood going in and out of that area. Risky to cut into it. I bet. I bet a lot of people bled out back then.

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[00:09:43] Yeah,

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[00:09:48] Cooper Belisle: Pretty interesting though. We learned a lot.

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[00:10:04] Really crazy stuff. Not even all of it's that old, like, , frontal the bottoms, you know about those.

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[00:10:11] Jeff Nesbitt: But they were doing those in the fifties up until the 1960s. I'm pretty sure. And they were a very common thing. Tons of people got them. It's just like you, something you can do on your own.

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[00:10:26] Cooper Belisle: Hey, I do it every week.

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[00:10:48] Antidepressants.

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[00:10:56] Long thin. Spike. And it would be [00:11:00] pushed through the thin bone next to the eye socket. And into the brain. Into the frontal portion of the brain. The frontal lobe. And then they would do a back and forth motion. Like a windshield wiper. And that would severed the connections between the frontal lobe and the rest of the brain.

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[00:11:30] They used it a lot for people who are hard to control. People who were not responding to other. Methods people who were otherwise going to be locked in padded rooms and probably abused. So it was seen as a miracle cure because people who were before that very hard to control were suddenly more manageable.

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[00:12:04] So. I don't know something to think about

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[00:12:24] We learned a lot about what the human body is about and what it can withstand and how the human body reacts to different surgeries and medicine. And, you know, it was absolutely not worth it. I mean, obviously these, these are things we would have learned eventually through time and through medicine and science

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[00:12:39] Cooper Belisle: guaranteed.

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[00:12:57] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. Yeah. And not only just in the [00:13:00] science of biology and you know, what humans are capable of. Cause they were trying to build super soldiers and seeing how long people could go without sleep and food, like all kinds of horrible stuff, but, and probably a lot more that we don't even know about and yeah, terrible.

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[00:13:34] The Volkswagen beetle.

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[00:13:52] Jeff Nesbitt: million of those books and they sold more cars than anybody else.

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[00:13:58] Cooper Belisle: ever. Oh God they've been around [00:14:00] forever. I mean, I wouldn't doubt it. I mean, I know their factory in Germany, I think is the largest building in the world. I believe if I'm not mistaken, something like

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[00:14:09] Cooper Belisle: better traveled.

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[00:14:24] Jeff Nesbitt: I'm going to look up which company, has had the most, which audio manufacturer.

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[00:14:37] Jeff Nesbitt: Uh, oh, I was wrong, so, oh, that's 2017.

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[00:14:45] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah.

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[00:14:58] Cooper Belisle: beetle. Oh, Hey, we [00:15:00] were closed.

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[00:15:13] If you guys care, what you

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[00:15:14] Cooper Belisle: I mean, yeah, it is the most valuable. I believe it isn't the most valuable car company on the world. Um, again, I could be wrong, but Tesla. Test is up there. Yeah. I mean, with that stock value, I mean, in our holdings, God, I've eaten so much shit on the stock market. This past couple of months, it's been bad, but Hey, hold in there, hold the line.

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[00:15:51] We'll be all right. I'm not even worried it'll happen. It's just not as fun right now. All right. I don't, I'm not built for the bear market. I don't, I don't like [00:16:00] to sell stuff and it, because then I'm always like, oh, then I gotta pay taxes. And I just, I would rather just accumulate little bits by bits and just hold.

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[00:16:08] Cooper Belisle: exactly. But I mean, I mean, 30 years from now, this we have forgotten all about this, you know, hopefully, I mean, I'm sure, you know, there might be a crash coming. I mean, nobody knows. That's the amazing thing. I mean, it's probably four people know what's really going to happen and the rest

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[00:16:24] Exactly. Well, because then they have a choice. Like if, uh, what's the guy's name, uh, SA uh, Got it just had it. the big coin guy who owns, um, fuck, I'm drawing a blank on the name of the company to Ethereum. No, it's a, it's a private company that they buy just insane amounts of Bitcoin. The guy is, uh, always talking about it.

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[00:17:02] Cooper Belisle: Yeah. It seems a little, I mean, that seems a little, kind of a little suspect a little bit.

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[00:17:25] It's a lot of times that needs to happen, just so it can maintain value. Yeah. I'm involved in a couple projects where they do airdrops of their tokens. So this one's called cave world. Check it out. It's one of the ones that seems like it's actually going to be successful.

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[00:17:56] Um, I bought five of their [00:18:00] caveman tokens, like not tokens, but NFTs, like back when they dropped in September and then they just kind of sat around the same value around one stolen. For a long time, I just kind of forgot about them. They're not that exciting to me. The art is not really, uh, it's there's not a lot of variation in the art.

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[00:18:33] Airdropped some of this cave coin, and it's going to be used in the upcoming game. It's a legit game to have a whole team building it. And, um, so the value of this cave coin starts shooting up. And over the course of a few weeks, I had it, it was worth $10,000 and I got it for free and my dumb ass didn't sell it and it'll be back

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[00:18:59] Jeff Nesbitt: and.[00:19:00]

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[00:19:15] And I should have sold it. I could be buying back in a week later for one 10th of the price because it fucking crashed really just dumped. And it's a brand new coin. So obviously it's going to have huge amounts of volatility, huge swings. I should have known. I could have shorted that it was an opportunity that just slapped me in the face and I lost it.

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[00:19:52] Really. I. For the most part, I'm not, I mean, I'm obsessed. I will say I can play some beat saber [00:20:00] on the VR headset, but beyond that, maybe donkey Kong on the super Nintendo, but the concept of play to earn and just crypto gaming period is so appealing to me as an investment opportunity because I know it's going to be huge.

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[00:20:31] So I'm, trying to get my foot in the door while it's still affordable. Um, and it's, it's exciting. Yeah. I mean

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[00:20:51] And you know, I mean, I, to me, I was, I don't know that much about NFTs. I just, I know they've been around for four or five months now. It hasn't been super long. Has it been [00:21:00] a few really? Wow, well, I've just

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[00:21:06] Cooper Belisle: But I know some people have made millions overnight buying these things, getting in and getting in early and video games now are more popular than, than ever.

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[00:21:18] Jeff Nesbitt: billion unreal engine, right. Is that

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[00:21:27] Jeff Nesbitt: It's fortnight.

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[00:21:33] Um, they're, they're known most mostly known for, um, unreal and, um, in gears of war and stuff like that, they're based out of North Carolina. Um, again, I could be wrong, but I believe that's what's going on. I believe that's how it works. And basically they make game engines and, um, I believe every developer that utilize one, their game managers, they have to pay them, I think, uh, like 33%.

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[00:22:00] Jeff Nesbitt: and then they have a game that blows up like fortnight with, with, uh, yeah. In

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[00:22:06] Yeah. Completely free to play, but they've made tens of billions of dollars over the, through the years. And it's just, yeah, Fortnite, I mean, not so much, not so very, not so popular with the older crowd, but all the kids. I know, you know, my nephew loved

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[00:22:27] Cooper Belisle: Um, but yeah, but Microsoft recently purchased a Activision blizzard, which is one of the largest game publishers on planet earth. Yeah. They own StarCraft, um, call of duty, uh, crash, Bandicoot, Overwatch, you know, and it was, I think it was the largest video game acquisition of all time. $69 billion. Billion.

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[00:22:47] Cooper Belisle: Absolutely insane. Yeah. I mean, that's amazing to put it in context is Disney bought star wars like eight years ago for like $4 billion in fast. 2022 of Microsoft is paying $69 [00:23:00] billion for a company, essentially. Yeah.

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[00:23:04] Cooper Belisle: Exactly. I mean, time will tell, I don't think it was a very smart investment from what I do know the video game industry, it's going to take a long time for them to make their money back.

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[00:23:29] It's crazy.

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[00:23:41] Cooper Belisle: I actually, I, I own a couple of shares of Activision as well, and I I've sold them as well, but I think it jumped like 20 something percent overnight.

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[00:23:59] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:24:00] Yeah. The amounts of capital that exists right now, it's unreal. It's unprecedented.

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[00:24:17] Cooper Belisle: Yeah. I believe Microsoft made the whole transaction with pure liquidity.

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[00:24:29] Jeff Nesbitt: that crazy? You have to take out any kind of loan to, to spend $69 billion.

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[00:24:44] That's been going on for about a year now with their CEO, Bobby Coda. He was one of the richest people in America. I don't know if you have that much money to just quit. I don't understand. I mean, I get, you know, some guys get a power trip and then also don't sexually harass people more importantly. Yeah, don't do that either.

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[00:25:12] Jeff Nesbitt: well it seems like the Microsoft would have got a bit of a deal then maybe they did exactly

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[00:25:17] Yeah, it was, their stock has been kind of declining and then they saw an opportunity to get in while it's cold and you

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[00:25:31] Cooper Belisle: That's a lot of money.

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[00:25:39] Jeff Nesbitt: None of those people who think that have any money.

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[00:25:53] Jeff Nesbitt: No, I don't. I, when you said that they did a cash deal, I had immediately pictured like semi-truck foals of Benjamins. [00:26:00] Right. But I mean, I know that cash deal doesn't necessarily mean they handed them paper.

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[00:26:06] Jeff Nesbitt: Just means like we actually have this money. It's not money.

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[00:26:25] Cooper Belisle: and the banks got greedy and we're giving anybody a mortgage. I had a poll. See? Yeah,

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[00:26:34] Cooper Belisle: lending. Then they got bailed out and pay themselves bonuses and knowing what the jail. Yeah. I was still sour about it. I mean, I get it.

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[00:26:44] True. Yeah. I've always gone back and forth. I don't know if I support the bailouts or not. Cause it would have been like a pocket apocalyptic, you know, like I was nine or 18 at the time. Like I didn't have a mortgage. I had no stake in the game, but

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[00:27:01] So it did affect us. I remember thinking that too. I was like, eh, whatever, I'm already poor. Like what is it? It's not gonna get any worse.

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[00:27:17] Jeff Nesbitt: It seems likely to me. Yeah, just based on the current monetary policies and , it's like the government just keeps pushing the ball further down the court. That's not, that's not the right analogy. You know what I mean? They'll pass the buck, kicking the can. Yeah. Can the can that's what I was looking for, but it's going to eventually.

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[00:27:43] Cooper Belisle: something. Ridiculous. I have

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[00:27:46] Cooper Belisle: it was like 10. I don't think they even know it's going to be our grandkids problems.

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[00:27:52] Jeff Nesbitt: National debt. Whew. This is bad guys. Okay. [00:28:00] Did a little research wanted to put in a good ding here? This information is from the peter G. Peterson foundation. I know nothing about it, but I trust it. It looks legit. It's got really nice infographics. The national debt is now more than $29 trillion.

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[00:28:23] What does that mean? On December 17th, 2021, the gross federal debt of the United States had surpassed $29 trillion. Although the debt affects each of us, it may be difficult to put such a large number into perspective and fully understand its implications. The infographic below shows the different ways of looking at the debt and its relationship to the economy, the budget and American families.

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[00:28:58] In very [00:29:00] basic terms, this can be thought of as the debt to government owes to others. Plus the debt it owes to its. America's high and rising debt matters because it threatens our economic future. The Corona virus pandemic rapidly accelerated our fiscal challenges, but we were already on an unsustainable path with structural drivers that existed long before COVID putting our nation on a better fiscal path will help ensure a stronger and more resilient economy for the future.

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[00:29:47] Trillion is held in intra governmental debt. 29. Trillion dollars is greater than the economies of these countries, combined. China, Japan, Germany, United Kingdom, and India, [00:30:00] China and India are the two largest countries on the planet. Are they not by popular?

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[00:30:08] I thought it was kinda cool. Back to the dean

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[00:30:17] That's a lot of fucking money. It's bigger than the economy of China. China makes everything. Oh my God. This is scary. That amounts to $223,000 per household or $87,000 per person in America. Oh, no big deal. All we have to do to pay this debt off. Is each of us just have to fork out a quick $87,000 and we'll be good.

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[00:30:48] That's too long. Plus the debt still rising and it can harm our economy and threatened opportunities for every single. $29 trillion is enough to cover a four year degree program for every graduating [00:31:00] us high school senior for 72 years. Oh my God. Within 10 years, the federal government will spend nearly as much on interest payments as it does on research and development, infrastructure and education combined.

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[00:31:41] Wow. Guys, that sucks. Well, I guess I don't have to tell you. Go on with your life. Nothing we can do about it. Don't worry about it. We'll be fine.

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[00:32:09] I mean, this is

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[00:32:28] Yeah. And that's the thing, like, I think that's kind of their game plan is are we wait this out long ago? 30 years from now, 30 trillion won't be that much, you know, in the grand scheme of things, a dumb ass plan, the whole thing is dumb. Yeah. And you know, and yeah, I'll be, we'll be lucky to get our social security at this point.

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[00:33:06] I mean, that's my plan. At least I

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[00:33:16] He went, he's like, fuck him. I wasn't done. I'm still young. I'm only 78 years old. And I

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[00:33:27] Jeff Nesbitt: yeah, that's how you stay young. And, and he, he talks about that. He's actually coming on the podcast in a few weeks, he talks about that.

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[00:33:45] Cooper Belisle: I'll be 32 next month, man. It's like, where did, where did

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[00:33:50] Cooper Belisle: I'm, I'm halfway to 64. That's just insane to me. Yeah. But so far so good. I'm alive. So I have

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[00:34:04] Cause they seemed way older than I feel. They also looked way older than I look.

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[00:34:13] Jeff Nesbitt: kidding, mom and dad,

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[00:34:24] Jeff Nesbitt: his life, but it's weird to picture your dad pregnant.

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[00:34:34] Jeff Nesbitt: junior,

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[00:34:45] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah, you should. I think you'd be such a good dad. It's fun, man. If you've got the time to beat, to, to really put your attention into it, if you're focused on your career or, you know, not in for pussy, then it's not going to be that great because it's, it [00:35:00] is, it takes all your full attention, but if you have a balanced life and there's space in it for, uh, another person, a kid is awesome.

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[00:35:14] Cooper Belisle: I mean, I, I can tell, like, they'd be my best friend for sure. And like, once they get to the age where we can actually have conversations and we can go do stuff and play video games together,

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[00:35:27] The conversation. I mean, you can have them before they can even talk because they don't understand what you're saying and they can communicate, , on their level whether that's. Sounds or just emotions or movements or whatever, when you spend that much time with a person, you get to know what they want and what they're trying to communicate.

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[00:35:49] Cooper Belisle: Yeah. I'll still kick their ass and mark or yeah, any day

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[00:36:05] Really? Since I was a little kid, I've always, I followed that technologies from the very beginning. I remember when Oculus was just a startup before Facebook acquired them and all that. Yeah. They had no product. They were just like, Hey guys, this is what we want to build. And this is what we have a prototype.

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[00:36:37] I was just like, this is going to be big. And so finally I bought the thing just around Christmas because I never at Costco. And they're finally a consumer friendly price, like relatively speaking, still fairly expensive, but yeah, I got one and I loved it immediately.

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[00:37:14] She's pretty good at it. For a three-year-old. Wow.

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[00:37:25] Jeff Nesbitt: bad, but when it's kinda like a recessed head strap, it looks a

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[00:37:28] I've actually never actually played one, um, kind of hard to find these days, but they're coming out with a new one. That's going to be, it's not wireless, but it has adaptive controllers, um, with, uh, like dual sense feedback. So they vibrate different ways and they give you a different sensation in your, in your hands when you're holding it on, which is going to be really cool.

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[00:38:02] They haven't announced a release day, but I'm definitely gonna be buying one because I mean, that's kind of the future. I mean, what do you think about this whole metaverse situation with Facebook and whatnot?

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[00:38:15] It's either going to be. The beginning of the end for the Zuckerberg empire, or it's going to be the next big thing. And it's, it's, there's probably not going to be a lot of in between. I mean, ask Tom from MySpace right there. Something else is definitely right on their heels to come up and replace them.

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[00:38:50] Metaverse I'll call it the Metta metaverse because that's not, they don't just get to take the term because they want to, because they're the biggest, the [00:39:00] crypto world was using that. Long before them long before they made the switch. I even said it on the podcast before they, before they switched over and yeah, and I remember I was like embarrassed.

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[00:39:14] Cooper Belisle: I mean, I know the controversy is like eventually, possibly VR is going to be, it becomes so good. And so, you know, exhilarating, if you will, that Mr. People are just going to go home from work and just plug into these machines and they're going to live their whole lives and go to Nicaragua or go to Paris .

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[00:39:45] What if it is, it might be,

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[00:39:54] Cooper Belisle: I mean, there could be a lot of good things about it. It could stop pollution, it could stop people [00:40:00] instead of getting on an airplane and going to Paris, they can just go home and put on goggles and walk the walk around the loop, , for a couple hours.

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[00:40:21] So, I mean, who knows, you know, there's a lot of cool things I can see about it. I mean, I've always thought that video games I've always kind of held BR back. Like, they're so good that, but I think we're concentrating too much on the, on the gaming aspect of everything. , like I said, What have you, you know, if you want to see U2 in concert, instead of getting on a plane and flying all the way to London to go see U2 and spending all this money, what's stopping people from just putting on a VR headset and right then and there you're in your living room watching you too, when it's going to look amazing.

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[00:41:04] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. I think you're totally, and I'm not mean specifically you to, why did you select you too?

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[00:41:11] Cooper Belisle: the first band that came to my mind. That's

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[00:41:35] That fucking album is still on there. And every time I plug in my phone to a, to a car, it automatically starts

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[00:41:50] Jeff Nesbitt: to despise you too, because of that. Sorry, Bano.

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[00:41:58] Jeff Nesbitt: And it, like, [00:42:00] my it'll start playing randomly. Like one time I was in a grocery store and I hear it and there's just music. I'm just like, ah, that fucking U2 song, even playing it on the radio. And I realized, no, no, this is just blasting from my pocket. It was like, God damn it. UT you got me again.

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[00:42:21] So. Whenever my Mac book or randomly start playing music, it goes my iTunes obviously. Cause that's, it's its own music, software and fucking YouTube. Yeah. So yeah, actually in the future, I'm not going to go to YouTube concerts because it'll

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[00:42:38] Cooper Belisle: Exactly. I'll be good to go.

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[00:42:44] Jeff Nesbitt: I'm pretty excited about AR as well. Augmented reality. Yeah. The, I just saw the Zuckerberg posted a thing on Instagram where he dropped a little hint about a possible collaboration with Ray-Ban. Oh yeah.

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[00:42:59] Yeah. I saw

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[00:43:17] Yeah.

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[00:43:41] But I mean, it's really exciting to see, you know, where we're going to go with all this, but I have some, some skepticism, but we'll

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[00:44:04] It's not radar it's, it's just regular cameras. They're switching actually to a, um, a specific kind of camera that only. It just reads differently than the visuals style that we actually use to look at pictures. So what they've used up until this point was just a regular camera, like you'd have in your phone.

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[00:44:44] Yeah. We're training AIS. That's what we're doing with that. We're training AIS to know what a motorcycle looks like. Wow. Isn't that obvious once you think about it,

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[00:44:58] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. So [00:45:00] yeah, the robot can't figure it out. We're going to teach the

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[00:45:06] You know, you take a picture of a document. It's going to decipher what's on, you know, which is impressive already. But yeah, I can totally. Wow.

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[00:45:24] it takes a it's a, it's not an easy task.

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[00:45:32] Jeff Nesbitt: to do

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[00:45:53] So you give, you provide text to the AI generator and then it goes back. [00:46:00] It basically reverse engineers, an image from your text. Wow.

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[00:46:38] Well, it makes some cool images. And so I think that's what I liked the most about them. The art aspect of it is not just. This is one artist who made this thing that's supposed to evoke a feeling in the viewer. It's an interplay between man and machine.

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[00:46:58] Cooper Belisle: time. I mean, [00:47:00] in our lifetimes, we're going to see computers become self-aware and for sure it's going to happen sooner than later, probably. And it's just kinda, it's going to be interesting to have a conversation with a computer one day and you can do it now.

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[00:47:30] And they were invented a new language. They were communicating with each other with. Permission or, you know, cassette or anything like that. And they were like, whoa, this is like creepy. Yeah. Like, cause in the end, the Esper is a curiosity. You know, this is like why people want to talk to each other because they want to see, you know, what that other person's about.

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[00:48:03] I feel like in a very biological stance, if you will like. I mean all the D I mean, dogs talk to each other like that, but I don't think they do because they want to, you know, get a response or get a reaction, but humans communicate with each other because we, you know, we want learn more. We wanna know more about the world and know more about ourselves.

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[00:48:28] Jeff Nesbitt: interesting. It's interesting. Yeah. And it is exciting to like, it's it's, but it's, it's exciting for the same reason. It's kind of creepy as you can look into the future and say like, well, where could this go?

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[00:48:59] It's [00:49:00] crazy. Pretty crazy.

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[00:49:05] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. Yeah. What do you think about implantable computers? Like Elon Musk's Neuralink? I mean,

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[00:49:21] Jeff Nesbitt: I'm going to narrow it down.

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[00:49:39] Cooper Belisle: I've got, I mean, that'd be amazing. I mean, you can learn a hundred languages. Yeah. You wouldn't even

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[00:49:47] Cooper Belisle: amazing for my travels. Um, but at the same time, like what's stopping them, you know, this lock from hacking in and, you know, seeing what Cooper's all about.

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[00:49:58] Jeff Nesbitt: only. He doesn't even have to hack in. You have to [00:50:00] give him access in order to get the device. I'm sure that'd be the way it is. That's the way Facebook is true. Yeah. You

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[00:50:16] W what would you do

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[00:50:40] I mean the early adopters, at

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[00:50:58] Jeff Nesbitt: and stuff like that kept wanting to chip [00:51:00] everybody

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[00:51:03] But isn't it crazy that the two richest people in the world are used to be where both from Seattle was

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[00:51:17] Cooper Belisle: what we're talking about. Jeff Bezos and bill gates. I'm thinking of the most for east, from South Africa though.

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[00:51:24] Jeff Nesbitt: He's been in the tech scene for a long time. How do you have time, man? He's done so much. Shit. It's just crazy, but

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[00:51:34] Jeff Nesbitt: mighty man.

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[00:51:39] It is. I'm excited to see where we go, transportation, computers, medicine, and science, you know, sky's the limit, but we gotta have some boundaries too.

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[00:51:54] They've

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[00:51:58] Jeff Nesbitt: They've used, um, aortic [00:52:00] valves, I think aortic or ventricular. I don't know if you use pig, heart valves. Oh, okay. Which is just a little piece of the heart, but they put a full born heart. Really? Full-blown heart.

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[00:52:16] Cooper Belisle: Wow. And he's alive

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[00:52:31] I'm like trying to make sure that when I say the stuff in the podcast that it lines up sharing illogically a little bit, just like they take so long to edit. Oh, for sure.

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[00:52:50] You're doing this Jeff in Europe, you know, the perfect person to do it.

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[00:52:56] You ever been skiing?

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[00:53:02] Jeff Nesbitt: Well, I what's up. Hi. I have a trip planned. Oh yeah. This weekend. And I don't really want to go.

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[00:53:10] Where are you going?

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[00:53:29] So when I joined this family, they're a skiing family. So I was like, alright, I'll try it. So we went skiing, , up at Timberline and I fucked myself up pretty bad. I, I didn't take a lesson. I should have probably taken a lesson, but I didn't want to. And I just started sliding around and it was okay for a while.

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[00:54:02] Cooper Belisle: Yeah. I mean, I've been snowboarding when I was like 14 and I had no business being on a mountain, let alone a piece of fiberglass.

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[00:54:26] Jeff Nesbitt: Exactly.

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[00:54:44] And I'm feeling like one of the group I'm like, I'm in, I'm in the club. I literally was having these thoughts in my head of being like, this is so cool. How did I ever think this wasn't going to crash? And, , my knee, I mean, it usually bands [00:55:00] front to back, right? Sometimes it bend sideways and that happened that day and it went cause snap and I, it was so loud and it, I hurt so bad that I was just like, fuck, I broke my leg.

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[00:55:33] Cooper Belisle: cars or whatever. Yeah. That's always huge, man.

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[00:55:41] Exactly. But anyways,

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[00:56:00] In, and it felt actually a lot better right away. But, , the amount of tension in the system when your leg is bent sideways, like your nervous system knows something drastic needs to happen. Like fix this shit, you got your you're fucked up here. And so it was just like a frantic feeling when it snapped back in, even though it was extremely painful, the amount of relief that swept over me was so amazing that I was suddenly in like a great mood.

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[00:56:42] it was not a deep toboggan. There's not a lot of clearance. Like my chest was sticking out over the top. So it would have drugged me face first, but, um, yeah, it made it back to the lodge. It took ibuprofen. I think Melissa had one, she had one ibuprofen that was the extent of her first aid kit.[00:57:00]

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[00:57:20] Um, but you know, I don't want to do that again, but Melissa still loves skiing. And so we haven't been back since then that was 2017 and we have not gone again. And it's because of me. So I wanted to make sure she gets to do something that she actually enjoys.

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[00:57:48] It's good to have. Yeah, it is exactly, exactly. It's like, Hey, I'm going to protect the family. She's part of that. She's going to want to do the same thing. It's like, it made sense, but it's. It's not a, it's not a [00:58:00] sexy

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[00:58:04] Jeff Nesbitt: so I was like, I want to do something that she actually wants.

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[00:58:31] And, you know, having a hard time sitting on the toilet or driving, driving was really hard. so I know I'm not gonna say.

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[00:58:57] You're a little bit more protected. I'm not just exposing my [00:59:00] belly and just like flying through space. I was like, fuck that. So I would like to try snowboarding, if anything also I have been told, and this is, as I'm saying, this is sounding like very weak evidence. I've been told that riding a snowboard is similar to driving an airboat on the mud because of fact you steer with your back end.

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[00:59:33] Cooper Belisle: don't know too much about all that, but, whoever thought of that whole thing.

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[00:59:50] Jeff Nesbitt: me, I don't want any part of that.

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[00:59:55] Cooper Belisle: Yeah. I mean, no, most extreme things I've ever done was, you know, I used to ride my dirt [01:00:00] bike all the time and I wasn't even that good at that. So like, yeah. I'm not

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[01:00:06] Cooper Belisle: bike. Yeah. Here and there. But I was never, you know, a motorcross rider by any means, but, uh, I mean, I've been skydiving and I was a fucking blast.

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[01:00:15] Jeff Nesbitt: haven't skydiving. Yeah. On my

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[01:00:32] Jeff Nesbitt: Cause landings are so fraught with chaos.

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[01:00:43] Jeff Nesbitt: You're more likely to die on the way to the airport than on the

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[01:00:53] Jeff Nesbitt: pitch.

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[01:00:54] Cooper Belisle: you out of this plane. Yeah. Well, my feet were hanging over the side of the plane. We jumped at 15,000 [01:01:00] feet and it was a beautiful sunny day in July. And. I was like looking down, like, what the fuck I paid money to do this shit. And then all of a sudden they push you out.

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[01:01:29] Wow. It's a hell of an

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[01:01:45] Cooper Belisle: Yeah. I mean, I've also been bungee jumping I'm with bungee jumping in Mexico, which was kind of scary

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[01:01:54] Cooper Belisle: The case arrives with the cable guy. Yeah. That's

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[01:01:58] Cooper Belisle: the last podcast. [01:02:00] Yeah. Don't let your wife bungee jump in Mexico. They don't have the regulations. That's such a great fucking movie.

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[01:02:10] Cooper Belisle: good at those. Yeah, actually that was a record breaking deal.

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[01:02:15] Jeff Nesbitt: Didn't it take a huge loss to it. Nobody went and saw

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[01:02:19] Cooper Belisle: I think. Yeah. It's obviously you can stare like a coal classic, but it's a great fucking great movie. Love that movie. Somebody got to

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[01:02:28] Cooper Belisle: Oh my God. Yeah, the basketball scene. That's great. But I was a kid.

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[01:02:33] Jeff Nesbitt: not understand that movie at all.

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[01:02:37] Jeff Nesbitt: strange. And I was used to like the mask and ACE Ventura. I was like, where's the lovable Jim Carey. And he was actually still pretty lovable in that as chip. He just wanted a friend.

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[01:02:47] Jeff Nesbitt: Chip Douglas. That character is a lot more like real life Jim Carey,

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[01:02:51] Yeah. He's got a crazy these days.

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[01:03:09] I actually believe to.

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[01:03:20] Jeff Nesbitt: He's, he's a bit of a philosopher. Like he. The nature of reality, which is stuff that I love thinking about.

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[01:03:37] Cooper Belisle: hundred percent actually. But the scariest thing I've ever done was I went hang gliding in Brazil and I will never, ever, ever do that again.

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[01:04:06] Jeff Nesbitt: fall itself. Poles, holes.

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[01:04:20] Jeff Nesbitt: Where you, you had a guy on there with you.

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[01:04:24] Uh, yeah, it was a guy. Yeah. It was never again. I'll never do, I'll go skydiving again, but I'll never do that shit again. Yeah, fuck that.

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[01:04:47] The, the S the flight looks awesome though. Just like the fact that there's zooming around mountains, but I don't know. That just looks pretty scary. A little too extreme for me. I'll, uh, I don't want to see one of my friends turn into pink [01:05:00] mist. Yeah.

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[01:05:06] Yeah. Hey, more power to you. It's your

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[01:05:13] Cooper Belisle: Um, so I've had, I've actually bounced around a couple of jobs this year. Uh, oh yeah. I bought a house. Oh, congratulations.

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[01:05:24] Jeff Nesbitt: I love Lynwood. Nice place. Lots of shopping.

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[01:05:39] Exactly. Yeah. So, I mean, I, I get it too. I mean, Kirkland's an amazing place to live, but, um, yeah, but I found a three bedroom condo up in Linwood. I got, I got a great deal on it, bought it in may, um, S you know, sold a portion of my portfolio to put, you know, put down for the down payment and I've been there ever since.

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[01:06:13] I mean, I'm either considering joining the police force possibly, or, you know, finding another career, I might go back into recruiting, which was, which I was doing for a couple of months. So thinking

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[01:06:24] Jeff Nesbitt: being a cop, huh?

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[01:06:28] Jeff Nesbitt: I would be scared for you. People are so mean to cops these days.

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[01:06:45] Cooper Belisle: mean, it's, um, you know, a couple of bad apples, you know, gave, you know, 3 million, some odd costs we have in this country, a bad rap.

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[01:07:08] A few bad apples. Like we really have no idea what the, what the breakdown actually looks like. It would be interesting to know. I mean, yeah, there

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[01:07:32] So, you know, I mean, I don't have all the answers, but I'd like to think I'd be a decent cop. I like to think I'm pretty level-headed and logical. And when I interact with other people and just be fair, be stern and, do your job. I mean, I'm not a cop yet. I haven't, you know, There's a lot, I have to learn about the profession, but I'm considering it.

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[01:07:50] Jeff Nesbitt: good at it. I think that one of the things that is as a really critical ingredient in a good police officer is humility. And that's something that is hard to balance because you also, [01:08:00] you need to have authority, so you can't be a little wimp.

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[01:08:24] You're motivated to use that power to improve their lives or the lives of people who they might be victimizing. Cause that's what a lot of it is, is you're trying to protect somebody from somebody else. Sure. And that does create lots of opportunities for negative interactions.

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[01:08:58] And, um, you know, a lot of people are dying for [01:09:00] unnecessary reasons and wrong reasons and, I just think, you know, I think I'll give it a shot and, you know, we'll see what happens. I've already started the application process and, um, I've taken my written exam and, um, I, um, taking my physical next week and you know, I've already gotten the ball rolling, so awesome.

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[01:09:39] Yeah. It's just, yeah. But in all that, we still need to find order and there, we need people to enforce that order and it's a necessary part of our system. So that's, that's very admirable of you to want to do that. Honestly, I'd be terrified, like just given the, the cultural climate.

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[01:10:08] Yeah. And you know, which I don't think is fair. I mean, who, I mean, when something goes wrong, who do you call? I mean,

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[01:10:24] Cooper Belisle: Some cops do bad things and they need to be held accountable needs to be justice. Yeah. But , we gotta learn some more, you know, we have to learn to accept each other and we got to learn to support one another.

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[01:10:37] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah.

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[01:10:51] Like I bet. Yeah. I mean, every department in my entire area is hiring. So thankfully it's rather, I mean, it appears to be rather easy to get a job. I haven't gone through [01:11:00] with it just yet, but they just want a new batch of men, , they want a new mentality, a new, , aspect and a new, , reputation around the police force.

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[01:11:10] Jeff Nesbitt: That's good. I have high hopes. Yeah. Thanks. I think that will be really good for you, dude. I mean, we're, we're entering, entering a new era for our society We've never been at a time like this before, and it's we're at the age where we're going to be taking the reins.

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[01:11:38] Cooper Belisle: We have a leader. Oh, Joe. I mean, I, I mean, I honestly agree with a lot of Joe Rogan stances, especially in regards to, you know, the vaccine and these mandates and stuff like that.

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[01:11:51] Jeff Nesbitt: these things. Exactly. That's his whole stance. He's not pro or anti-vax, which a lot of people are misrepresenting. Yeah. He is pro free [01:12:00] speech and he's pro discourse. Exactly. Like he wants to talk about stuff.

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[01:12:24] Does that miss mean he's bad? And they believe it. They really believe it. Yeah. It's just

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[01:12:50] A lot of us have become, you know, and we've always, you know, our interactions have become so surface level and a lot of people are afraid to tell people what they really think and how they really feel and [01:13:00] who they really voted for and how they politically align and stuff like that. But there's a reason for this is because whenever somebody does give their honest opinion and does tell you how they really feel and does tell you what's really in their heart and what they're really thinking in their mind, and if that is not received well, then they're attacked and they're harass and their docs, and they're labeled racist and they're labeled stupid Democrats are labeled stupid Republicans and it's just like, Ugh, you know?

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[01:13:38] Yeah. And it's just, you know, it's just like, we can't win. You're damned if

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[01:13:44] Cooper Belisle: Exactly. And it's just like, we need to have more discussion and we need to, you know, learn to have, you know, more common ground with one another. And this is one of the reasons why I think like mental health is just gone, you know, through the floor of this past couple of years.

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[01:14:11] And, you know, people feel trapped and depressed and they're filled with anxiety and it's just, it shouldn't be like that. Like we need to have common ground. We need to. I know a lot of people that are hardcore Trump supporter Republicans, and they're good people. And I know a lot of people that vote blue, no matter what, and they love buying.

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[01:14:34] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah, exactly. We need to open the floor for discussion. Always. There should always be room for discussion. We have to allow people to be wrong separately, without fear of never finding a road back to recovery.

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[01:15:03] That's the way it works. Like it's always worked that way now. Because of accessibility of information through the internet. Now we are in a system where people are. Imposing expectations on everybody throughout your entire existence.

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[01:15:26] Cooper Belisle: mainstream media.

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[01:15:36] So it's basically creating a world where people are never going to take risks. They're never going to produce real art. They're never going to do anything risky. The world will be a vanilla flat bullshit place, a hundred percent, and it will still be dangerous because people will still, the standards will drop.

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[01:16:06] Cooper Belisle: Exactly. Yeah. Censorship, I wouldn't, that's a hill I'm dying on. I'll never be a fan of no matter what it is, because once you give them a little bit of an inch, they're going to take a mile and you know, we're never going to get it back.

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[01:16:29] Jeff Nesbitt: exactly. And wouldn't it be way worse if people could say what they want about you, but you're not allowed to respond.

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[01:16:52] Yeah. It really was. And he was booted off of Twitter. Like this guy's clearly. Knowledgeable clearly [01:17:00] experienced. Clearly doesn't have a dog in the fight qualified. Yeah. And no, no conflicts of interest, nothing. There's zero reason for him to be

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[01:17:13] I look at the world around me.

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[01:17:30] Yeah. When you're balanced. Exactly. I mean, I try, yeah. I try to be a man. It's just, it's a lot healthier and a lot easier way to get through life than just digging your heels in. And yeah. I'm going to vote this way and think this way, no matter what,

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[01:17:47] Cooper Belisle: And it's just, it's, you know, it's kind, kinda like the toxic 10% on either side of the political aisle that kind of ruined it for the 80% of us that are able to see both sides and are able to, you know, I mean, these people are passionate and I respected, I mean, that's a great thing about America. You [01:18:00] can think and vote and say what you want.

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[01:18:16] That's, that's his right. And I didn't vote for him, but that's his opinion. That's what he wanted to do. And I think that's

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[01:18:23] It's two choices that are meant to appear different than are very much the same. Exactly. I it's really not nearly as big of a deal as people want it to be. And the, the fight is what, like getting us all polarized and all, all frothy and mad at each other is what they're, they're trying to do a hundred percent.

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[01:19:04] Cooper Belisle: I couldn't say it any better. It's it's classism. It's. You know, white versus black or Republican versus Democrat stuff like that. It's the corrupt, evil, greedy 1% versus the 99% of us. And, you know, they rather have us kill each other, then go after them. Yeah. That's one conspiracy conspiracy theory that I don't a hundred percent believe in because I mean, it makes total sense.

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[01:19:29] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. And th they don't even really try to hide it. They just like, I mean, if you own the news, you're not going to put a news story about it, but it's, it's very visible. Exactly.

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[01:19:45] I know a lot of great shops, support Trump supporters. I know a lot of people that believe in certain things and other, and I can see both sides and, you know, all I can do is, you know, do my part and not contributing to the toxicity. So

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[01:20:00] that's why I don't spend a lot of time on social media because I just have a. Policy where I don't, I don't like to add negativity, even when it's true. Like why do I need to add that and make that person feel worse? Whether they know they're an asshole or not me saying it isn't going to change anything.

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[01:20:18] Cooper Belisle: I'm guilty of it. I'm not on social media that much either anymore. I deleted my Instagram and I'm just trying to, you know, I'm, I'm not saying I'll never go back on it again or maybe get a new one, but it's just kinda nice to distance yourself and just kind of concentrate on your own mental health.

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[01:20:31] Jeff Nesbitt: definitely is. It definitely is.

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[01:20:54] It is, but you know, we've, Hey, I grew up poor. So kind of going back to my roots, if you will, under [01:21:00] the, I don't want

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[01:21:05] Cooper Belisle: but, uh, you know, I mean, life's good, man. I got problems like everybody else, but I'm just trying to get by. And, uh, I really appreciate having me on what, how about you've been good though?

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[01:21:13] Jeff Nesbitt: things are great. Things are great. Um, Daisy died. That was not great that my dog, um, I I'm pretty sure you met her last time. Golden retriever, yellow lab mix. I've had her for 10 years. That affected me so much more than I expected.

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[01:21:55] I am still devastated. This was like two weeks ago. And [01:22:00] yeah, dude, I like for three days, I, I couldn't think about anything else. I just felt so fucking sad. I bet. And, um, but you know, it was kind of a, I mean, it was the way it needed to happen.

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[01:22:23] So made an appointment and took her in and we went to the beach ahead of time and like, got her, let her play one last time, got her stick and all that. Then she was very into her sticks. There's a giant pile outside of my house. They're all driftwood. Um, Daisy brought us every one of those really? Yeah.

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[01:23:11] she was still conscious and awake, but she was like very Gumby. And, um, so like she's in the backseat and I got out of the front and opened the door and she pushed herself up. So I could slide in there under then she collapsed and like put her head on my lap and she never moved again. And they came out a few minutes later and gave her the other shot and she took a few big shutter breaths and I felt her go and took her in and buried her.

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[01:24:05] And you're dealing with people who are suffering like that. I never know if it's okay to be okay. Like, do I need to adopt your pain right now? Or am I okay to just be okay? Like, is it insensitive of me to be okay, but when you're the one who said, you just feel sad and you just let it flow. And I did that for a couple of days, before we had her put down so that when it actually came time, I could be there for the kids.

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[01:24:42] cause I'm just like, fuck, how is she this old it's just like, she was just that puppy just not long ago. So, so quick, just 10 years just zoomed by, but I felt good about it. I felt like I did the whole thing. I've had a lot of dogs. She's the only one I've ever seen through [01:25:00] from puppy to old dog. And through her death, that's buried her.

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[01:25:13] Cooper Belisle: And w when life comes death, man, we all got to, we all got to walk through the doorway, so yeah, I got a cat shout out little pancake. Nice. Yeah. Uh, I got her like a month after I moved into my place, you know, I wanted a roommate, so, uh, yeah, she she's my best friend.

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[01:25:28] Jeff Nesbitt: awesome. That's can be so great. The ones that aren't great are really bad and the ones that are good are really good.

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[01:25:49] Yeah, I got her, her, her birthday is a day before mine actually. Oh, cool. So I go way to remember too, but, uh, yeah. Um, I love her. I miss her. You let her

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[01:25:59] Cooper Belisle: Probably not. [01:26:00] Hell no, no. She actually has fleas right now. Oh my God. That's been a fucking nightmare. I've been treating her for three. Oh well she's had him for like four months.

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[01:26:31] And they just have heard that they just keep selling it, cause there's nothing stopping them, but it doesn't do anything.

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[01:26:39] Cooper Belisle: immune. Right. And, so yeah, that's been a $500 and five month journey. A good friend of mine brought her cat over and This girl had been seen.

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[01:27:01] Jeff Nesbitt: a long hair. Cat, short hair, cat, long hair.

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[01:27:06] Cooper Belisle: I've been shaving her neck and applying it because I apparently has to go straight to the skin. So,

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[01:27:15] Cooper Belisle: And I'm not

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[01:27:20] I just feel bad. Cause you know, I love that.

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[01:27:23] Cooper Belisle: you know, the only time I ever seen them, when they're on her, you don't even see them at 90, 90% of the time. She just scratches a bunch. Yeah.

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[01:27:40] It's disgusting. Yeah, dude, I don't even know. Yeah, it was the last episode I talked about when I had fleas finale last time. But yeah, when I was in middle school, we had a bunch of kittens and they got our house so infested with fleas and we couldn't get rid of them. I had fleas like as a human, it was terrible.

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[01:28:19] Cooper Belisle: I wasn't either,

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[01:28:27] Cooper Belisle: Hey, over shout out to Daisy though.

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[01:28:43] A lot less emotional about it, obviously, but still pretty beat up about it. , but don't wanna talk about it afterwards. Amelia has just brings it up randomly all the time. Like she brought it up. I had her in here when we were doing a little, podcasting and she just brought it up in the middle. Um, like we were talking about [01:29:00] the Aztecs killing people and she's like, oh, when I heard killing it reminded me of Daisy.

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[01:29:22] Um, but yeah, she was staring out the window and millions like poppies probably looking for Daisy, but she's not going to find her because she's dead.

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[01:29:36] Jeff Nesbitt: It actually makes it easier because I, I don't have to it's w what I'm really realizing is I'm worried about just offending people or making people hurt worse when they're already hurting. Sure. And that's just not what I want to do, but when it's a little kid who just says everything that's on their mind, you don't really have to worry too much about

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[01:29:55] Cooper Belisle: I mean, that's probably like one of the most , significant things that ever happened to her probably. Yeah. Yeah. [01:30:00] So it's going to be on her mind and, you know, that's understandable. You can not, you can tell she loved that dog. I understand. Understandably. And so, yeah,

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[01:30:10] Fantasizing about years down the line of like my kids playing with his dog as an old dog. And it actually came to fruition. So it, she had a beautiful life and she honestly had a beautiful death. It was, it was as good as it could have been, but yeah, just a heartbreaker. I feel like I just expected to get a couple more years.

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[01:30:35] Cooper Belisle: shout out. Fuck cancer.

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[01:30:42] Cooper Belisle: the hashtag. Where do I sign up?

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[01:30:50] Jeff Nesbitt: Life really is good. Yeah. Even like all the crazy shit going on in the world. I, I try really hard to maintain that, that idea that. It's a miracle that we're here. Every [01:31:00] moment is a miracle, the statistical possibility that we were going to exist out of all of the possible occurrences.

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[01:31:23] Cooper Belisle: Great time. Thanks for having me back. I know I hit you up kind of late notice.

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[01:31:31] Jeff Nesbitt: this was really fun. It was really nice to catch up and I feel like we've covered , some good ground.

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[01:31:42] Jeff Nesbitt: you're really want to learn about stuff, come back and we'll do a full episode about it.

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[01:32:02] Like some will make you passive income. Some will give you membership to exclusive clubs and things like that. They're pretty cool. And eventually they're going to be a very major part of our everyday life, the same way that like 10 years ago, the idea of having all your credit cards on your phone would have seemed crazy.

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[01:32:42] Cooper Belisle: future.

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[01:32:48] Jeff Nesbitt: cave coin yet? I actually believe I will. They're going to launch the game soon. And, , I'm excited about that one. That one I legitimately think is going to do well.

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[01:33:11] And so a lot of the prices went down, but some of them, the ones that did actually pop out of there are doing quite well. Nice. One that I am excited about is called Portals. It's a metaverse apartment and it's still brand new, but it's, it's doing really well. And they're going to have a downtown .

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[01:33:46] Check out spatial.io and they have a metaverse where you can build a bunch of different rooms or spaces where you can insert furniture or, art. I've got a, digital [01:34:00] metaverse art museum in the works that I'm building. It's cool. It's just like the it's a pre.

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[01:34:24] Yeah. lots of cool stuff coming up in the future.

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[01:34:31] Jeff Nesbitt: can come back. Yeah. Anytime dude, I don't, I don't mind the short notice when it's you it's like, I know. Yeah.

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[01:34:44] Cooper Belisle: hours? Almost two hours. I'm like last time. Yeah, it goes by so fast. Does

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[01:34:54] Yeah. Thanks brother. You guys all have a good day now. Bye everybody.