Principles of Strength for the Body and Mind with Calvin Baze

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[00:00:18] Saturday, July 16th, the year of our Lord, 2022. I'm Jeff Nesbit. And we got a great show for you today.

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[00:01:54] Right? We're all excited. James Webb, telescope. I don't know who James Webb is, but he made a damn good [00:02:00] telescope.

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[00:02:18] So I'm looking right now at this new have this new picture from the James web space telescope. And it's the one with all of the different galaxies on it. And it's got thousands of galaxies. It's just one little square of the sky and it's pretty incredible. You can see lots of stars. They are notable by their trademark six pointed lens flare, as opposed to the Hubble space telescope, which had.

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[00:03:04] The coolest thing about this James web photo is that there is some galaxies in here that look very smear and kind of rounded and warped. And the reason that is it's not because that's the shape of them. It's because there is some kind of a super massive galaxy in the middle that we aren't really able to see because it's creating a warped gravity field, where it essentially is making its own lens by . Bending space.

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[00:03:32] Yeah, that's crazy. here in this image that I'm looking at, I can see this kind of orb. It's like a presence that you can see because of the way it's bending the light, but that essentially lets us see back in time to the beginning of the universe those galaxies that are kind of smeared and stretched the light that's traveling from.

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[00:04:19] It's kind of hard to. But they definitely look billions of light years away. It's amazing. What if we actually do end up getting there somehow we're able to just like create worm holes and just jump and cover vast distances with the click of a mouse someday. It'll be cool. It'd be pretty cool.

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[00:05:16] Another advantage that the web's another advantage that web's telescope has over the Hubble is that it collects different kinds of light. Light comes in a lot of different varieties. The human eye can only see a very narrow band known as visible light, but the universe contains a lot of light that is outside of this range, including the higher frequency, higher energy forms like ultraviolet light and gamma rays.

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[00:05:58] This seems nerdy and [00:06:00] technical, but it's actually what allows a web to look farther back in time than the Hubble. INFR light is often very old light due to a phenomenon called red shifting when a light source is moving away from a viewer, it gets stretched out morphing into a longer and longer wavelength growing redder.

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[00:06:38] Infrared is invisible to human eyes. Don't forget that,

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[00:06:43] one of the coolest pictures that they have put out so far, is it what looks to me to be a NEB? That word just pops into my head. I don't know what a Nebula is. It looks like a space cloud.

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[00:07:02] In another stunning image, web observes the remains of a dying star in the Southern ring Nebula on the left below the Nebula is captured in near infrared and on the right it's captured in mid infrared, which bring out different details in the cataclysm.

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[00:07:36] Anyway, that's just cool. We've been looking forward to those pictures for a while now and, and we got 'em.

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[00:09:39] And we were all fairly poor. And Calvin came from one of those families, just down the road, his aunt and uncle were some of my very best friends growing. We had a lot of adventures, Amanda and Charlie, they would come camping with us. They hung out at our house all the time, spent the night regularly. [00:10:00] They were our best friends. They were really a major part of our childhood.

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[00:10:31] Calvin was just a little baby and I remember him being a cute kid and we, we packed him around a little bit, his older brother, Robert. . I remember him being packed around a little bit more, Calvin was still pretty young when I left the neighborhood. So we didn't hang out a lot. Growing up

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[00:11:05] . 13 years go by. I pretty much forgot Calvin existed so now I'm 27 and I have returned to the peninsula after college, and now I'm working at the job I have now, and I'm starting to coach track with my new girlfriend. Who later became my wife, Melissa NSBE. And while I'm coaching track, I, I see this kid standing around and he's blonde.

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[00:11:49] He's got that quality. Just something about him. You can just tell he's gonna make it. He's gonna be okay. He's got a good head on his shoulders. He somehow hasn't let [00:12:00] the darkness of the world taint his view or make him forget how beautiful life can be. I mean, she didn't say all that, but that's what she was thinking

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[00:12:28] And when she told me his name, I was like, oh my God, I know him. And I went and talked to him and he didn't remember me obviously. And I thought he would at first, for some reason, they had to remember me. How could they ever forget in my mind was like I was running those streets, but he didn't remember me being a, that he was just a toddler when I left. And so I explained who I was, where, where I knew him from and all that. And how I've been pretty close with his family. And , I immediately felt a kinship with him, even though we [00:13:00] didn't really know each other.

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[00:13:08] He was not actually on our track team, but he just happened to be there every day. Cause he was in the weight room When I was a kid, I remember knowing his dad Lionel and his dad was gigantic in my mind. He was gigantic. I don't know if he really was probably not that tall really, but he had huge biceps and I remember him just being pretty cool, scary, but cool.

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[00:13:41] So yeah, that would, I would've been a little kid, probably seven or eight years old, one time his dad, uh, jumped a bicycle over my body. I'll never forget it. it was pretty dope. I, uh, yeah, we used to do that quite a bit. We do a little bit of bicycle jumps, set up a [00:14:00] jump, lay, a human body down in front of it.

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[00:14:23] He can make it. So I laid right down, laid right down. No one was ever crushed. It was really a beautiful childhood memory.

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[00:14:54] Now he's working at snap fitness and you'll hear all about that in the show. But we talk about [00:15:00] Calvin's philosophies about working out about training, how he manages his interpersonal relationships professionally versus personally. And we just kind of talk about the idea of growing up and what it means to become a man how you can leave some of your pain and suffering behind you, how you can bring some of these things that you've learned through your struggles, how you bring that into your real life And use it as leverage to catapult you into the next chapter.

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[00:15:51] [00:16:00] Check one, two, check one, two. All right. That's like perfect. I gotta stop popping those peas though. P P peas go down peas down P P pop. You know what I'm talking. Plosives? No. So when you go, when you say things that begin with pee mm-hmm you hear that?

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[00:17:14] Calvin Baze: time and it makes a big difference when you are listening to it.

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[00:17:18] Jeff Nesbitt: does. If you're a sound editor, not, if you're a regular person, have you ever thought about that when you were listening to a podcast like that guy's popping his peas? That motherfucker, I don't wanna listen to this show. Never, no me either. No. I mean, I have, since I started learning how to do it and realizing like, oh, he's well that guy's a piece of trash he doesn't know how to just point his lips down, but you know how it is so etiquette

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[00:17:43] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. I mean, at the same time, it's good advice to just be like, pretend the microphone's not even there mm-hmm and just ignore it. Just have a conversation. Cause that's how you get the best content, but you gotta pretend it's there a little bit. Just kinda like I was talking about over or earlier it's it's half performative, half just real [00:18:00] conversation.

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[00:18:01] Calvin Baze: you have to have conscience. You have to be like con conscious that it's there. Yeah. But you don't wanna be constantly thinking about it being there. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Like almost like it being in your peripheral vision.

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[00:18:17] As I'm sure you know, we always start with Uh, just some basic questions. So if you don't mind, , please state your name. Calvin Baze. Date of birth. We'll leave that out. We don't wanna doc you, Okay. I'm gonna read a series of statements and you just tell me whether you agree with it or not by you.

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[00:19:00] Calvin Baze: turns on and off.

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[00:19:03] do

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[00:19:10] Calvin Baze: Uh, I would say, yeah, somewhat. Uh, I would say typically. Yeah, or definitely,

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[00:19:30] Calvin Baze: The impulse. So when you say impulse, is that an emotional response

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[00:19:45] What do you do?

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[00:20:09] Jeff Nesbitt: That is an excellent answer and very mature one. Not me. If something goes wrong or turns out badly, it's not my fault. , that's a tough one. Be honest. Uh, I,

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[00:20:27] Jeff Nesbitt: not me. Okay. Next question. I've gotten into legal or criminal trouble as an adult, not just a speeding ticket or a parking ticket.

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[00:20:51] Calvin Baze: That that is a loaded question. Um, I mean having self-confidence is great, but also being, being humbled is I, I mean, I, I could not answer yes to that because [00:21:00] I'm, it's fundamentally against your principles.

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[00:21:06] Jeff Nesbitt: So, but he couldn't take your place. he doesn't have your experiences. He has his own and they're different, but he couldn't take your

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[00:21:22] I

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[00:21:40] I do whatever I feel like doing, and I don't care what others think. Or even if it's illegal, this that's poorly worded. That's a bad question, but , I'll allow it.

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[00:21:50] Jeff Nesbitt: not me. Not me. Every person for themselves. I don't see the point in feeling sorry for other people. And I have no desire to help them.

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[00:21:58] Calvin Baze: not me. [00:22:00]

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[00:22:09] Calvin Baze: Well, the, the first one was as an adult, so, oh yeah. Yeah. So we're good here. Um, okay. Yeah. Yeah. As, as a minor, I did not.

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[00:22:25] Jeff Nesbitt: Okay. But it actually says not just a speeding ticket, so I think we're good. Yeah. But, and you didn't even get caught. That is true.

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[00:22:37] Calvin Baze: That is not true. Yeah.

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[00:22:50] Not me. I'm just gonna answer for you. Yeah. I, I never feel remorse, shame or guilt about something I've said or done that

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[00:23:17] Cuz I don't, I don't like that feeling or I try to root the emotional response to that feeling and try to think if that emotional response was correct. If that makes sense. So that makes complete

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[00:23:34] Last question. I don't see the point in taking responsibilities of any kind. They just weigh you down.

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[00:23:43] Jeff Nesbitt: either. No, not me. Mm-hmm if you had to guess and, uh, come up with what you think this test was measuring. What, what do you think is trying to determine it's whether or not you have a certain psychological profile?

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[00:24:06] Jeff Nesbitt: accountability. That's part of, that's part of it. Um, it's the, well, first of all, the good news, you are not a psychopath. Oh, okay. It's a psychopath test. Okay. It's a psychopath test. And you passed with flying colors actually.

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[00:24:31] Calvin Baze: Um, so I took a psych class last, last semester. It was pretty interesting. Um,

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[00:24:38] A lot of that was like personal accountability, like self self-regulation stuff. That's like more, more advanced, deeper, deeper content. Yeah.

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[00:25:16] So that's been really helpful for me.

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[00:25:21] Calvin Baze: cutting hams. Yeah, me too. Self-reflection has been, been, been a game changer for me. I've been thinking about it for the last while and thinking about the pros and cons of it.

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[00:25:49] Jeff Nesbitt: You can do it for five minutes though.

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[00:26:00] Calvin Baze: Yeah, exactly. So I I've been thinking about what I actually did when I was training back home is I had a, I had a journal of things I did that I liked to that like worked well when I was training people and, and I'd also write things I didn't work well and kind of miscellaneous things that I learned along the way.

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[00:26:33] So, and one really cool thing about training is I've learned how people emotionally respond to interactions within people and the context of what's going on around them. So if I'm stressed, if I'm, if I'm anxious and I'm moving really fast and trying to put weights on really fast or get people organized really fast and I'm kind of jittery or I'm moving really fast, it makes other people [00:27:00] stress.

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[00:27:22] The next thing makes people feel comfortable. Yeah, exactly. And they're already uncomfortable. I mean, that's, that's what exercise is. Yeah. That's the whole point. Yeah. So it's, that's a big, big part of it is I need to, to continue to learn, engage how I, my expressions are going to affect other people and my voice, cuz sometimes I can get really loud and that, that definitely has a light switch for some people that just turns 'em off.

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[00:28:08] Like, you know what I mean? That drives me crazy. I it's hard to communicate in areas like that. But um, I, my question was actually, is that something they teach in your training or is that something you kind of came up with on your own? Just the ability to kind of sense the, the energy in the room and kind of set the tone for a calm environment where you, where some actual progress can be made work can be accomplished.

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[00:28:33] Calvin Baze: So you said, did they teach me that as in like the certification

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[00:28:46] Just knowing that, just learn through experience it when you set up a tone in the room, people pick up on it.

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[00:29:22] But no, that's not something that I learned, um, through training or like through training as in certification process, I have learned a lot about it through the experience of training, but it's not something that someone's deliberately. Not something that a book has deliberately said to do. Yeah, no

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[00:29:42] So do you, when you go to endo a training session, do you think of that as part of your protocol? Or is this something that you carry with you into regular life and where you're like, you're going to meet somebody? I don't know you're going to the bank or you're going meet somebody to talk about being a possible new roommate, you know, like all these interactions with people that could be kind of [00:30:00] tense.

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[00:30:03] Calvin Baze: I'm I'm, I'm beginning to more. Yeah. One thing that can be hard for me as a person is to draw the line between being professional. So I work I'm very professional and I'm not, there's obviously a, you're gonna act differently in your professional life and then in your casual life.

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[00:30:44] So I, I think that comes more into the aspect of personal training of just being myself, but understanding that professionalism can, can being intertwined with who I am as a person. So just being more to me, the idea of that is just being more mature. So

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[00:31:05] You're talking about bringing more of that maturity and awareness into your personal life. Yeah. Like, so you don't have to worry about the bleed over, , from identity to identity because it's positive. Yes.

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[00:31:20] Jeff Nesbitt: the jail, so you don't have to fake it.

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[00:31:23] Calvin Baze: cause that's just who you are. Exactly. So it's not like a, it's really hard to change habits because I, I mean, when I was younger, I would just, I, I haven't, you know, it's hard because when you're with friends or this and that, you might just say silly things. You're like, then you say that and you're like, you're sitting there like, shit.

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[00:32:06] It'll drive you crazy. Yeah. But then there's also like, that's where, that's where you have to come up with your own boundaries as a human

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[00:32:25] Yeah. And you're like, fuck, that was not my intention. I, and, and if they are able to bring it to your attention without triggering you into feeling defensive or attacked, that can easily be resolved, then you can just be like, oh, well actually I was making a joke about blah, blah, blah. I wasn't. I had no idea that you, you know, lost your leg at that brothel.

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[00:32:52] Jeff Nesbitt: had a few and it sucks. It does suck. It really sucks.

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[00:32:58] Jeff Nesbitt: you're just wrong. [00:33:00] Sometimes you're just wrong and it's just like, oh, I fucked up.

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[00:33:03] Calvin Baze: guys. Yeah. Like I had an incident with an incident where that had happened and I apologize, and the person didn't really semi apology. So then I just stings. Well, it's just like, okay, like then that's where you have to understand, like, I am me, so. The everyone everyone's going to have an instance where someone doesn't like them or someone really likes them, you know, no matter what you're doing.

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[00:33:39] It's stuff like that. The uncomfortable conversations, because as a trainer, you have to have those uncomfortable conversations. And that's one thing that's really hard for me to have in the real world is conversations where I'm saying, I good communication is how I is, how I actually

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[00:33:55] Like having to tell people like you need to change your diet or are you just point [00:34:00] blank, matter of fact about it, or do you try to soften the blow? Do you do give them the old shit sandwich? What, what's your strategy? I, I do

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[00:34:16] Jeff Nesbitt: Do you know, "The Shit Sandwich"?.

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[00:34:19] Jeff Nesbitt: Okay. Oh, the shit sandwich is when you have to deliver a piece of shitty news, uh, you sandwich it with two good things. You're like, Diane, your calves are really popping today. But also you're dropping your ass on those squats. You're getting a lot of butt wink.

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[00:34:45] Calvin Baze: I do not do that. No.

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[00:34:48] Calvin Baze: No, I, well, I don't, uh, I don't, I don't soften the sandwich in that way...

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[00:34:53] Calvin Baze: No, no. I, I try not to butt wink. I, I definitely have before, but...

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[00:35:00] Calvin Baze: but no, I, I don't try to soften the sandwich because I've, I'm trying to get better at limiting the amount of words I use.

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[00:35:23] Jeff Nesbitt: The positive emotions from the compliments are gonna overshadow and distract from the criticism.

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[00:35:34] Calvin Baze: They're on a path. So some, some people might view it as criticism. I personally have, not had an incident where the person I'm training and I, have a discrepancy on something that they're doing.

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[00:36:02] Um, I hate brown. You're wearing brown. So

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[00:36:07] Calvin Baze: yeah, no, it's, it's really interesting though. Training here compared to training back at school because you know, the, the clientele here is a little different. The, the, the setup in terms of sessions is, is different.

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[00:36:26] Calvin Baze: private gym?

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[00:36:38] Jeff Nesbitt: good. You have to pay shitty. I bet. Huh? It's

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[00:36:41] Um,

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[00:36:47] Calvin Baze: a really good experience. Yeah. But it, I mean to ho to get into personal training, I would say it's a great opportunity because I'm getting to work with a multitude of clients. I'm, I'm engaging with a lot of different [00:37:00] people and I'm around a lot of different people.

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[00:37:19] Jeff Nesbitt: Not trying to be codependent. Yeah.

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[00:37:33] Yeah.

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[00:37:56] How could you not be? It's a very intimate relationship, but it's [00:38:00] still it's uh, it's one that has set parameters. So it's like, I like that philosophy of just like being able to separate it out from your regular life. So you're not emotionally attached to it.

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[00:38:25] Almost almost a nonstop, as weird, as weird as that sounds in your own

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[00:38:32] Calvin Baze: everything about it. Principles and philosophies. Um, even, even my own workouts, other people's workouts, just constantly trying to think out outside the box within the box.

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[00:39:05] Right. So, so you have parts of the body that move in, in response to others. So, so think of like the, the rhomboids in your back and, and the musculature there. So you have, those are the ones

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[00:39:17] Calvin Baze: the back. Right? So you're scapular retract, right? So pulling my shoulders back. So you have, you have muscles that are that move there.

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[00:39:38] Yeah. Until, until I can have a better understanding on movement and stuff, but it, they helped me understand movement because different parts of the body have affect different O other areas of the body. Right. So a really, a really simple way that I, I show people is if you, if you have your arm hanging by your side and you put your hand, like under your, your chest on the same side of the arm that you're gonna raise.

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[00:40:14] Jeff Nesbitt: I'll go on the side. That actually works.

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[00:40:17] Calvin Baze: When you raise it, you can feel it pulling the skin , in the fascia surrounding the musculature. So it's going to affect other areas that

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[00:40:30] Calvin Baze: Yeah. So like there's a, a piece of fascial connection called your, your, uh, I think it's called your superficial back line and it's from like the top, oh, the spiral line. Well, is that another name for it? Maybe I'm not too sure. Explain

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[00:40:46] Calvin Baze: it's basically from the, the, a ACI Portu.

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[00:41:09] Jeff Nesbitt: body.

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[00:41:20] Calvin Baze: Um, I wouldn't necessarily say. The fascia is communicated, uh, communicative because it's, it has nerves in it, but the nerves are what is communicative.

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[00:41:33] Jeff Nesbitt: yeah. Yeah. It's like fat right. Or protein. Um,

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[00:42:00] They took hamstring and placed it on top of my a, they placed it with my ACL. So a ligament in my anterior crucial ligament. And guess what? My hamstring

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[00:42:09] Jeff Nesbitt: the muscle from your hamstring

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[00:42:13] Jeff Nesbitt: HSR. That's amazing. Yeah. That makes sense though.

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[00:42:34] Um, so it's the real, it's basically like these exact replicas. It is bodies really though. I don't know how they do it anymore. I knew after I went and saw it, but um, it's kind of fucking creepy to be honest. There's like they put 'em in these weird positions and stuff. I didn't, I didn't love that. It, it made, it kind of spooked me to be honest, but.

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[00:43:09] Ligament. Yeah. Ligament muscle to tenon. You like the eight, it's a different thing. That's connecting two bones and not a muscle and a bone. Correct. Um, but yeah, the tendons, that's what I mean. It's crazy. I didn't know that before. I always assumed that it was like a separate thing, but it's, it's just really condensed the, the tissue it's

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[00:43:25] Yeah. So trying to make it much more, there is, there is reasoning to understanding the differences in terms of like what connects, what, you know, so like bones are connected by ligaments, right? Ligaments are going to connect bone to bone. Tendons are from muscle to muscle, to tendon, to bone. Right. It's that?

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[00:43:50] Jeff Nesbitt: I have a connected tissue disorder. I'm pretty sure. Uh, I have hyper mobility. , my joints are very sloppy.

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[00:43:59] Jeff Nesbitt: is what [00:44:00] it's called.

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[00:44:14] Well, I mean, you look like you're perfect for lifting weights. are you planning on getting, like, still following that path for your own self or like as a competitive lifter in any way? Or are you just looking to train?

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[00:44:35] I'm not going to play a sport or do something if I'm not 110% in. And, and right now I know that if I was to delve into that, I would probably start to lose focus in some other things that I think are probably more, that I know are more important in my life right now than that building your career building my career is much more important than, uh, trying to become a [00:45:00] power lifter.

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[00:45:10] Jeff Nesbitt: people go the other direction. Yeah. But I mean, you're not most people. Yeah. You can do it however you want, but it seems like that's generally the path is that people will compete and then once they blow out their knee or their shoulder, then they're just like, I'll be a coach now.

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[00:45:36] They're the people who they're in charge. They tell the boat what to do. And it was a completely different experience and there's differences from just from person to person anyway. But the way Marty coached was way different than the way Josh coached. If there's any rowers in there, you'll know who I'm talking about, but that doesn't matter.

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[00:46:11] And Marty was way more about like technique and how to, you know, keep calm under pressure. And it seemed like he was way more into more of the mental aspect of it. So it's, it's just interesting how different experiences can make you into different kind of coach.

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[00:46:43] I see. Like you're, you're excited about your work. You seem like you're you want to be doing that. Some people are doing it as a concession. To where, like, cuz they can't compete that you're making the choice to be a coach instead of doing it as, because you can't compete. Does that make sense?

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[00:47:09] My view doesn't mean I'm right. Their view does not make them right or wrong either. Everyone just does things differently. So I'm not going to say what I believe is right. Or what they, they believe is right. Or vice versa, wrong and wrong. I'm just gonna say how I personally view it. And that's

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[00:47:24] Yeah. Stuff's constantly changing exactly really quickly. So, so it might be different

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[00:47:41] Like being a personal trainer, like cuz I, I was gonna college for kinesiology. I was had an idea that I wanted to be a trainer. And I was like, Ooh, if, if I had more of a, a response to B body building in terms of like, I, I wanted to do it because it was, I thought it was fun and cool. And then I was like, Ooh, this could really [00:48:00] build a brand, build a business.

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[00:48:19] And people are like, oh, I want him to train me because of that. And then I, I kind of moved into an, to an area it's like, I stopped doing that. And, and now like, reflecting on that is like, I personally, I think it's smarter to take the coach's perspec, uh, taking the coaching side first, because now that I'm focusing on coaching, I can understand how to be personable with people.

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[00:48:43] Jeff Nesbitt: you're paying attention to stuff that matters when you're having opportunities to learn it.

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[00:48:58] So yeah, I can learn, I can learn [00:49:00] what I learn at school. Go apply it in the gym while I'm trying to become a power lifter and get really good at that. But if that's how I'm trying to build my brand, if I'm focusing on power lifting and, and so let's just say it's, it's 60 40. So I'm, I'm 60% into power lifting, but ideally that's a hundred percent of my efforts, but it takes away time from, uh, becoming learning from, for coaching this and that.

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[00:49:28] Calvin Baze: So my first task in the morning used to be, that's funny that you say that my first task in the morning used to be lifting. It used to be lifting. It is no longer lifting. What is it now?

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[00:49:56] Jeff Nesbitt: know, to do you stay up late or are you, uh, are you a good sleeper?[00:50:00]

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[00:50:00] Calvin Baze: really good. Yeah. I I'm, I's such a gift for an athlete. I'm usually, I'm usually in bed if not asleep around nine to 9, 9 25 in that, within that window. But on weekends, I I'll stay up late. I'll be more lenient with myself because that's just how I believe. I, oh, you can sleep in. Yeah, well, not only so much sleep in, but a lot of, a lot of friends that I like to hang out with, they they're a little more night owls, especially down here.

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[00:50:29] Jeff Nesbitt: So that's, that's actually a thing though. Like, I feel like you're kind of getting at this a second ago, discipline. There's no doubt that discipline is crucial to success and it's, it's really beneficial in many, many ways, but there can come a point where you're so disciplined that you don't allow any flexibility.

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[00:50:59] Calvin Baze: [00:51:00] actually one thing that I would say currently as a human, that I'm trying to, that.

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[00:51:18] Jeff Nesbitt: guilt if you skip a workout, I've never, if you're in a training program.

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[00:51:24] Calvin Baze: workouts. Yeah. I don't stick workouts to that. That's one thing. That's why that's one thing. I have a really hard time relating to people with mm-hmm so people have asked me, like, what do you do if you do this? I'm like, unfortunately wouldn't

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[00:51:37] Calvin Baze: yeah. That's, it's a really hard con like that's one of the uncomfortable conversations that I typically have with people is like, yeah. Oh, when you skip a workout, because typically when someone asks, asks a question, there's, there's a lot of reasoning that you don't know behind it. And that's, I try not to assume things.

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[00:52:04] Jeff Nesbitt: and I have the mental strength to just go through it. So don't yeah. Yeah. I don't know what don't

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[00:52:09] Calvin Baze: how to help you.

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[00:52:26] Jeff Nesbitt: Like, you know, what you say is, is frame it as you're just lucky, like, oh, somehow I'm always able to just get up and go. Even when I'm tired, I somehow can make myself do it. I just go like, lucky me. Yeah. well, even though it's all hard work and like, I mean, I guess there is some luck to it. It really how, I don't know who, who, uh, how people think about motivation.

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[00:52:50] Calvin Baze: lazy. Yeah. Well I think the idea of being, so this

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[00:53:03] Calvin Baze: I agree. And, and typically what I've seen is so people can be lazy within their own ways.

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[00:53:31] They work really hard here. And then they're lacking this. So I find that a lot of those lackings from all, all spectrums is the little things. I think a lot of people forget how important the little things are. So that's, that's where I'm really hard on myself with what kind of little things, um, like making your bed.

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[00:53:51] Jeff Nesbitt: You must be a Jordan Peterson fan, you know,

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[00:53:55] Jeff Nesbitt: that like, that's his philosophy in a nutshell, yeah. Is like, he's, you know, get up and make your [00:54:00] bed, keep your room clean, stand tall with your chest out. He's very much about like following these, these rules and then your life will be good.

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[00:54:13] Calvin Baze: one thing that I've found is like, when I don't make my bed right away, so I I've always made the bed, but when I don't make my bed right away, what I found in my life is that other things I allow to not happen right away, either when they should happen.

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[00:54:46] And sometimes I don't get to that task again. So the being down here on the peninsula with all the extra stress of the build, the building the seven week strength and conditioning program, working hours at the front office, I mean, Ron and Karen helping me understand [00:55:00] financial situations with my cars and, and other things back home and trying to put it all together and, and just be like being, I guess you could say coordination within everything I'm doing is, has been hard, but I've learned so much when I reflect on all of it.

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[00:55:26] Jeff Nesbitt: are, are, are every, are all the people your age like this? Or how are you guys? So self-aware, I've, I've talked to a few other young people and it's so refreshing.

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[00:56:01] That is really fucking smart, man. It's very, very good. Like you're, it's going to lead to success and it, it almost can't fail because your strategy is, is like general enough to apply across a really wide variety of, of domains. So like, depending on how your life progresses, you, you left in some flexibility where you can carry these same philosophies with you everywhere you go.

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[00:56:47] And, and it really fucked up a lot of stuff. The fact that, you know, that it gives me hope, hope for the future, because my kid's generation who knows what they're even gonna be like is like, their life was even a [00:57:00] lot different than yours. Um, in terms of technology and the pandemic and all this stuff, like things have gotten so crazy.

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[00:57:16] Calvin Baze: you? I'm gonna be honest, dude. I, I, uh, I don't, I don't pay attention with all that, with all that shit, because I think that labeling.

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[00:57:44] Jeff Nesbitt: have this, I call that making a plan to be a Dick.

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[00:58:05] Like the, the organism, um, stress is good for the organism, but it hurts the organism. Right. It doesn't feel good. So when you, when you have things that are typically that are considered socially acceptable, that, that within a generation, when you, when you give a identification to a generation, you're going to say that that's just what it is.

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[00:58:35] Jeff Nesbitt: love that answer also. Do you think it is just as damaging?

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[00:58:57] Um, you know, I, [00:59:00] I, I don't, I think that it can be just as hard. Like I think you're probably better off not to pay attention to it at all, because, I mean, I think that's not, actually, this is a joke, but, um, a lot of people really are like that. They just wanna make sure that they, they buck whatever kind of societal labels have input on them.

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[00:59:44] It, um, like, I, I didn't even know I was a millennial until I was in like my mid twenties, probably because it's just, I, when I was in college, I think is the first time I ever heard that. But, um, I don't even know what defines that is it. I think it's like you grew up, you didn't grow up completely with the internet.

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[01:00:19] So like that makes your life different, like fundamentally different. And the next generation is gonna have come up with all of that stuff. And the generation of after that will have grown up in the metaverse and the generation after that will grow up in those pink pods of goo, like on the matrix and everything is different about each one of those situations.

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[01:00:51] Calvin Baze: lot better. Yeah. Yeah. I, I think that understand. So I think that's another skill is like being able to read and understand things and then not let the [01:01:00] understanding of those things create outcomes that maybe you don't want.

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[01:01:23] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. What are you gonna do after you have all of these skills? Pretty much dicked, and you're just going through live killing. What are you gonna think about seriously, this stuff will become second nature to you. Once, once this becomes just something you don't have to think this I'm not even joking at all, this will really happen.

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[01:01:52] Calvin Baze: Do I ever think about aliens? I think I, I think aliens are, I think aliens are cool to think about a lot of alien

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[01:01:58] Calvin Baze: days.

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[01:02:16] What's really cool to think about is what if that life out there isn't carbon based? What, what if that life isn't isn't what if that life breaks laws that we have on this earth? I

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[01:02:34] I don't know. I don't really know what I believe. I think that there is so much effort into confusing us just by the CIA, probably the government, the aliens themselves, who knows. I don't know how to tell what's bullshit and what's real. And there's so much of it now. Like if you get on TikTok or YouTube and just type in recent alien sightings, you can watch all day long.[01:03:00]

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[01:03:18] It's a, it's a, it's a video of an alien spacecraft, but who knows who built it? It could have been the Russians. I don't know. Like the world will never know. Hopefully we will at some point, but most likely will happen is war will break out. And then that technology will just appear because that's why we have it.

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[01:03:43] Jeff Nesbitt: we may never know though. We may

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[01:03:54] It's more of a, a, a platform where people record. They, they do cool things. Like it's [01:04:00] almost becoming like a TV show. I feel like no TikTok, uh, no YouTube or YouTube. YouTube is. Oh yeah. Yeah. But TikTok is dangerous tick. So it is, yeah. What I've found within myself is when I'm. Oh, like actually just a few days ago, I had a, I had a real deep conversation with myself on phone usage and cuz back home I did, I would go through faces where I'd be off my phone a lot.

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[01:04:39] I don't think so. Either when I'm on my phone a lot, I find that I have a way harder time thinking, um, thinking things through and not emotionally responding to things that are happening around me. So if something happens, I'll just emotionally respond and that might not be the response I wanted.

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[01:04:58] Yeah. That's really smart. And [01:05:00] I haven't heard it put that way before. Yeah. So

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[01:05:07] Jeff Nesbitt: have you meditated

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[01:05:18] I don't have something I'm I'm no, but I think you would love

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[01:05:39] You're sitting there and doing a thing you're trying to observe your internal state, uh, which is a thing in itself. And that's all you're doing. And it's a skill that people don't have. You don't you already have it. I you've, we've talked about it a few times. Like just to be able to understand your motivations and your feelings as they come in, you just, all you do is sit there with your eyes closed and watch thoughts and feelings [01:06:00] come in.

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[01:06:18] But, um, and there I'm like at the edge of a lake and actually sometimes it's not even in a cave, it's like the woods, but it's still kind of, it's like a darker kind of covered area and I'm really comfortable. I'm like, it's the perfect temperature. And I'm at a really calm water source. And there's a canoe that like keeps coming.

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[01:06:57] I'm having a feeling that was a feeling in my back, put that in [01:07:00] the canoe, push it away. And then you just do that. And then eventually, I mean, inevitably over and over again, your brain comes up with new things for you to do and you notice it and you put it in the canoe and you push it away. And it's great.

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[01:07:39] Who's not because a lot of those, I think a lot of the benefit from meditation is that it, it does some of the stuff to kind of refresh your brain like sleep does, but okay. But it's not sleep. It's like semis sleep. Okay. Because you're fully resting, but you're also aware it's like waking

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[01:07:56] Yeah. What's um, what's really interesting to me about the [01:08:00] concept of you saying, so when you have a canoe, you're putting something in the canoe, right? So you're, you're creating. So that, that reminds me of something that I do in the process of creating programs, creating an outline, or trying to think deeply about something.

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[01:08:33] Is that correct?

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[01:08:53] And what would happen is I would have a thought like, oh shit, you were supposed to write that paper. And, uh, I'd be like, [01:09:00] but I'm busy meditating right now. I can't think about this. So I'll think about it later. And I would just like set it on the back burner and then another thought would come in and be like, oh, you never texted.

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[01:09:32] That's the whole point is so that I can see these things come in, notice how busy the traffic is. Like, am I having a whole lot of thoughts coming in, or am I having just a few every once in a while and paying attention to that internal state is really, really helpful for me because sometimes I have no idea that I'm actually in kind of like a panic state until I sit down and meditate and I'm like, holy shit.

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[01:10:12] I was just feeling it in my body. And then once I allowed myself to be still and let those thoughts come through to a conscious place where I could examine them, I was able to process them, realize that they're not as chaotic or as, uh, um, crisis. It's not a crisis. Like these are all things that are just part of everyday life each and every one of these problems.

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[01:10:56] Calvin Baze: That's genius. I like that a lot. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, [01:11:00] I would say that I, I have never thought of it like a canoe, but I think I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I

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[01:11:15] It, I like visualizations. Yeah. To process emotional things. That's

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[01:11:41] Yeah. And when you have things that inflict on the current thing you're doing, I mean, when do you typically forget your, when do you typical. Fuck up when, when, when you have, when I'm tired, when you have, when there's going on, when there's too much stresses. Exactly. Right. You have too much stresses going on.

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[01:12:09] And then I'll forget the spatula. I'm like, dude, how do I, how do I, how do I forget a spatula when I'm going to cook chicken? Yeah. I'm like, that is, that is absolutely so brainless. I, I should not be doing that. And it's like

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[01:12:25] Exactly. I was thinking about and bodies are dumb. they're good at moving. Most of 'em, but they're, they're not good about thinking like, no they're good at storing emotional traumas and they're and remembering pain. So like that's actually something we should talk about. So, um, What do you know about like the way your nervous system stores injuries, like memories of injuries?

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[01:13:08] So my whole body is just kind of like shifted and, uh, like I've had scoliosis from it that I don't even know if that's something you can, that just comes and goes, but I don't seem to always have it . But, um, when I was in elementary school, they thought I had it. Uh, but yeah, I've hip hip problems. I have jaw problems, shoulder problems.

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[01:13:52] Distinct rule that I'm not gonna get up and stretch on the floor right there while you're talking, even though I want to . [01:14:00] Um, but I'm, I'm always just trying to open up my hips or, and my shoulders, cuz if I don't, I will turn into the tin man. Like I just lock up, like everything just gets so fucking stiff and tight that I literally cannot move well, like it's terrible.

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[01:14:17] Calvin Baze: your original

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[01:14:26] Calvin Baze: Yeah. So the idea of the central nervous system, you were talking about the central nervous system, I don't know enough about the central nervous system to say anything in correlation to the central nervous system with inflictions on other parts of the body.

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[01:15:05] Right. So a lot of times they'll see people who have poor mobility, they're getting down to the bottom of squat, their chest caves in right. Um, a compensation, let's say I'm doing lunges. I have tight calves or. An incorrect movement pattern. And my heel comes, my front heel comes off the ground, right. Maybe I have really bad ankle doors reflection.

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[01:15:47] Right.

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[01:16:16] Calvin Baze: no, I don't. I don't know. So that's the cool thing about the field that I'm in right now? I will never not be able to learn more it's yeah, I, I there's no roof. And I think that that's one thing that I have to continually accept as a human, because I'm just constantly wanting to be on go. I'm wanting to read, I'm wanting to just continue to learn, but it's like.

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[01:16:39] Jeff Nesbitt: sometimes. What are some of the books that you were talking about that you have liked a lot that you've gained that have helped you

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[01:16:54] That that was a really good book. Um, the, the, that, that, [01:17:00] that was a good book for movement. Have you

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[01:17:16] Bad habits, good habits. It's a good book. It it's, you probably enjoy it. Um, but yeah, I actually, several of the things you said, I was like, I wonder if you got that from that book

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[01:17:33] But like the supple leopard is a great book for, uh, is, is a good book for introductory. Like they explain things pretty well. They break it down and it, it's just hard to understand something without reading prior, having prior knowledge. So for me to sit here and, and tell other people what's read is really hard.

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[01:17:54] Jeff Nesbitt: Um, there's no, like you can. You can't [01:18:00] recommend a bad book. Like even if you read a book that sucks, you still get something out of it. You learn why, why it sucks. Like you learn what the good ideas are. I mean, there is also people could be misled.

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[01:18:17] Calvin Baze: me. Uh, what's really funny is like one of the, one of the first books that I read was the gamb beta is by, uh, gamb beta. It was a, it was a function. It was a, uh, athletic training type book. Great, great book.

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[01:18:49] It's just, but it's like, from my point of view, it's like people, you did a lot people aren't literal that you didn't clarify within your, within your sentence, that exact thing. And if I assume that and I am wrong, I look [01:19:00] like an asshole. That's on you jackass. Yeah. So I am just trying to get clarification before I move on.

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[01:19:12] Calvin Baze: It's it's how do you, how

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[01:19:24] seriously just say what's on your mind. Say what you're actually thinking and communicate the message you actually want to send. And then you don't have to worry about all that weirdness like a lot of people just say something that is supposed to like plant a seed in your head that grows into the message that they want to send.

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[01:19:43] Calvin Baze: want. I agree, dude. I agree. I, and as, as I've became, so as I've, as I'm continuing to progress into a better communicator, I, uh, I understand what you're saying completely. And, and, and you'll really be able to find people who have a hard time [01:20:00] communicating or may not be very effective communicators and be within that context because you're constantly trying to find more and, and understand, but vice versa.

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[01:20:31] And I was like, in my head, I was literally like, fuck Calvin. Why did I do that? What did you say to, you said, you said that, uh, ligaments are connected. So bones were connect. Uh, it was a ligament and, and oh,

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[01:20:42] Calvin Baze: away after, but I said, yes. So if you go back and listen to this, I said, yes, To the first one.

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[01:20:55] Jeff Nesbitt: dude, I find that so refreshing as a communication style, that's like, we're trying to get the [01:21:00] information out as, as effectively, as possible, as efficiently as possible.

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[01:21:28] It becomes a problem. Like if, if you don't, if you're not able to do that and you just wanna stand by that wrong shit, you said, because it makes you look like, you know what you're talking about? What are you doing? That's a waste. That's a waste of energy. Who, who, who are you trying to impress? Doesn't make sense to me.

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[01:21:46] Calvin Baze: exactly. And that's why I try to be really thoughtful before I speak. It's I'm, I'm very, obviously I I'm 21 years old dude. So it's like, I, I, this is a, this is a growing game for me. I didn't really, this process was [01:22:00] not a process I had before this summer, before I came down here before I was not forced before I was put in the position to constantly evaluate how I spoke and how I acted around other people.

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[01:22:20] Jeff Nesbitt: you're trying to feel the silence. Yeah. Yeah. And you don't have to, you don't have to, I do the same thing or I just walk away. I, I have a hard time.

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[01:22:51] I like loose goosey about shit. I don't care. Whatever. Like if just because everyone has always done it a certain way for a hundred years up until today, [01:23:00] if I'm coming into this fresh and I don't know that history, I do not care if people, if I have found a way to do something that is working well, I do not care if no one else has done it that way.

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[01:23:30] Yeah.

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[01:23:52] Jeff Nesbitt: I I'll give you an example to make it a little more tangible. Um, let's see if I can think of a good one playing at the playground. So I [01:24:00] take my kids to the playground. Okay. Playgrounds are fun. They're full of toys, toys that are perfectly reasonable. Adult sized toys. So I look around, none of the other dads are playing on the toys.

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[01:24:28] Um, and it used to annoy the shit out of me. I was like, stop fucking looking at me. I'm just trying to stretch. Um, and now I'm just like, haha, your, your life is probably really boring. Um, cuz they look, they look like irritated. Um, maybe they think I'm a pedophile though. I didn't think about that.

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[01:24:46] I, I don't wanna say, I think I know what it is, but I think, I think I have an idea what insecurities, because

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[01:24:56] Calvin Baze: pedophiles. Maybe they're insecure about what other people would think about them.

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[01:25:00] Jeff Nesbitt: that way. Well, yeah, I think that's probably part of it, but don't they realize if they would just do it anyway, there would be no dickhead left to point fingers. If everyone just did what they want and not worry about what everyone else is doing, then we'd all just be doing what we wanted.

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[01:25:25] Calvin Baze: fuck? I, I agree. That's one thing that I, as a person, uh, if you're around me a lot, you'll notice that I never, I, the only time I really direct people on what to do is when I'm training them outside of training sessions.

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[01:26:00] I'm not, I'm not gonna connect

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[01:26:01] Calvin Baze: happiness to it. Yeah. I'm not gonna tell you how to act. I'm not gonna, like, if you're doing something and it's very minutely bothering me and I'm not around you for very all the time or whatever, I'm just going to blow it off my shoulder. It does not bother me at all.

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[01:26:18] Jeff Nesbitt: often. Like what if it's somebody who you respect

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[01:26:39] I have a lot of people that I respect. So you seem like you respect everybody. I do. I do. I have, I have respect for everybody, but I don't, uh, look at everyone as a way, I guess, I guess this would come back to the idea of steaming, right? So if most people, so let's just say Billy from the street who I respect said, fuck you Cal, and I hate you.

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[01:27:03] Jeff Nesbitt: recently, I, if Rob said the exact same thing yeah.

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[01:27:10] So to me that's different. But the, the thing with that is I know that he's being honest to me and I know, I would know that. I don't think he, he wouldn't, he wouldn't, uh, he would not be disrespectful to me

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[01:27:25] Calvin Baze: Uh, he, he, him and Katie lived, lived.

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[01:27:32] Jeff Nesbitt: Probably CIA

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[01:27:35] Jeff Nesbitt: training in the CIA those CIA guys are ripped. Have you not seen 'em? No.

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[01:27:40] Jeff Nesbitt: Well, yeah, I do. Yeah. Yeah. Um, it's just a joke, but I, he seriously is like a he's mysterious. He like, he's not, he hasn't been here forever, so he's almost S.

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[01:28:01] Calvin Baze: And it gets very overshadowed. I feel like it, I don't,

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[01:28:04] Calvin Baze: a lot. Yeah. Well, I guess that I'm not here much.

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[01:28:09] Jeff Nesbitt: you probably only see him in the gym that yeah. Where people treat him like a trainer or something, but he's a very, very big community member. Like he's very involved in youth sports. They contribute to like every charity thing they're very involved.

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[01:28:33] Jeff Nesbitt: hundred percent with that. You couldn't see, you couldn't see Katie in a CIA.

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[01:28:41] Calvin Baze: They got you fooled. Yeah. They're just setting me up. No, they're they're cool, dude.

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[01:28:50] Calvin Baze: well, they, they, they force growth from growth from each other.

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[01:28:55] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. So that's like the definition

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[01:29:02] Jeff Nesbitt: And supporting each other through it. Exactly. I agree. And, and from, I mean, at least it appears, so they've taken

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[01:29:14] I haven't finished it. It's called multiplier's effect. And it's the idea of, um, learning how so? Like one of the biggest con uh, things from it that I, that I took as a person is every time I engage in a conversation with someone, I have the ability to learn, because everyone's smart in their own ways.

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[01:29:47] It's not because I'm actually stupid. It's just that I would act you're uninhibited. Yeah. I would act, I would have emotional actions. I, my emotions would correlate to actions

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[01:30:04] We don't choose our thoughts, our thoughts just pop into our head. Some people just say those thoughts and other people are that, whether it's because they've been abused in the past by people who don't have tolerance for fun thinking or whatever, but some people just don't do that. They wait until their thought is fully formed, completely like Bulletproof before they let it come outta their mouth.

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[01:30:33] Calvin Baze: Oh, you're saying so some people will, people will

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[01:30:43] They'll confuse that for low intelligence, because you say dumb shit occasionally, because we all have dumb thoughts. We just don't all say them. does, does that make

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[01:30:58] That's kind of one thing I was talking about [01:31:00] between being professional and not yeah. When I'm with my, like, not so much trying to sculpt who I am, but more of like not saying the dumb shit that I might just say randomly with my buddies,

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[01:31:20] And I, I, I think those people are crucial, but they never last long they get fired.

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[01:31:40] That's how I feel about that. Yeah. So now, like when I'm with my buddies, like they've all noticed that I don't just say random, the dumb shit anymore. Like Bubba, the other day was like, he literally was like, fuck Calvin. I really like what college turned you into? He said, this is funny. Cause we were like all hanging around the, like the fire.

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[01:32:02] Jeff Nesbitt: as it always was. Huh. Yeah. But I just, you

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[01:32:14] Jeff Nesbitt: was, it was just funny.

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[01:32:34] Like, you know what I mean? There's a huge variation. So, and that lasts through your twenties. Like by the time you're 30, you, you start realizing like, oh, a few of these people are, are still just kinda doing the same thing. And others are like living drastically different lives and, and that's fine. Anyone can do what they want to do.

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[01:32:57] Calvin Baze: That's really cool. Thank you for telling me that because that's, that's [01:33:00] actually a really good thing to think about. So from high school, you kind of had that first gap of, so the first gap is whether or not I'm staying here or I'm going to college.

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[01:33:21] Right? And then how are you gonna act when you stay at the stay here or move somewhere else? Are you, are you pushing forth for a better career? Are you thinking about the, the things that have been accumulating over time? Because having the ability to think back for a prolong period of time is really important,

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[01:33:37] Calvin Baze: I'm that person where, so actually what's interesting where you're talking about psychological things from the past is cuz you grew up right at

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[01:33:43] Yeah. Yeah. We let's give them some clarification. Yeah. So the long beach peninsula, it's a long, it's basically a long, 30 mile sand bit just at the mouth of the Columbia river. So it's just a long skinny peninsula and it's two miles wide at the widest and it's 30 miles long. The whole thing has a big [01:34:00] beach and it's, it's basically a tourist attraction that was established in the late 18 hundreds as like a getaway for people from Portland.

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[01:34:27] And each one of those areas has like its own kind of, I wouldn't say subculture just cuz it's so small. The whole, the entire peninsula. Now it's, I think it's like 15,000, maybe a little more. And back then, when I grew up, it was like 10,000 people. So it was a small population and three quarters of the way down was where I grew up, which is, it was a pretty wooded section of the, of the peninsula.

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[01:35:12] because it's, it's it's, there's no stores down there really there's nothing to do. It's it gets dark really early in the winter. So it's like, as a kid it's really hard to grow up on the north peninsula. So the kids that do grow up there kind of develop a certain gen Equa and it's really cool. Um, it's the, the op thing.

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[01:35:40] Calvin Baze: here. Yeah. Go for it. I think that the correct. I, I agree that that's all correct. But I mean, if you want to think about it in terms of social economics, like typically it's just, if you live in ocean park, you're, you're, you're, you're poor unless

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[01:35:55] Calvin Baze: business.

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[01:36:12] Jeff Nesbitt: if you there's no Saha hill in ocean park, if

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[01:36:21] Yeah. And it's like, you don't need to, like, you don't to be what meant you don't need offense to it, but that's, that's just what it is, right? Yeah. So if, if we take all and

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[01:36:35] Calvin Baze: Yeah. Right. So taking emotions out of it and just speaking about what it is, that's how it is. So growing up in ocean park is just, you just, the poor area is the poor area. So typically all, like, I think my basketball on our basketball team, I graduating my graduating, our, uh, our senior class, one person lived with Mo had both mom and dad one or two people had both mom and dad together outta like the five or six.

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[01:36:57] Jeff Nesbitt: lot of poverty, a lot of, uh, one parent [01:37:00] households. Mm-hmm that kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. And so we grew up on two 21st, this road was like, it's, it's really weird.

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[01:37:12] Calvin Baze: uh, two or three

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[01:37:22] Um, from there is, it's weird to compare to what it is

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[01:37:29] Jeff Nesbitt: everything. Yeah, I know. It's yeah, it's a weird, I don't know. I have very mixed memories about that place because like poverty childhood is kind of shitty sometimes, but, um, it's also, there's a lot of beauty in back in my memory bank.

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[01:37:53] Calvin Baze: touch. Yeah, not very often, but we talked. Yeah. How was she up to she? She, she lives in Yakima. She, yeah, she had a daughter, [01:38:00] so that's awesome. She's doing good, but that's you grew up with her too, right?

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[01:38:20] Calvin Baze: that's funny.

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[01:38:25] I don't remember, dude.

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[01:38:31] Jeff Nesbitt: probably figure it out. You were, I like, I was like

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[01:38:34] Jeff Nesbitt: Okay. Seven. Yeah. And you guys probably didn't even have a lot of contact. Tho those were the real rough years of his life dude.

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[01:38:40] Calvin Baze: last memory I have of Charlie. Straight is, is, uh, you know, how we used to sell Christmas trees, Uhhuh. So you, those, those, um, oh, the poles that we'd put all, like we'd put the line around so we could hand the Christmas trees up. He put me on one of those cuz bill would dig 'em to the ground and put 'em up.

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[01:39:11] And he came up to, to get help, get me down and I kicked him right in the balls. Like, and then like as hard as I could. And I that's like the last memory I have and I AP I apologized to him. I was like, I had to say, sorry, I'm pretty sure.

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[01:39:28] But people fuck with little kids deserve to get kicked in the balls.

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[01:39:35] Jeff Nesbitt: kids are awesome. They're the best. Yeah. And they're innocent. Like that. That's something that I, I, that's a pretty, um, easy one for me. Fuck, fuck people who abuse kids yes. For real. Um, but yeah. Anyway, the Charlie, I have lots of good Charlie stories.

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[01:39:59] Calvin Baze: hard. [01:40:00] I mean, stories. So when you're talking about stories from childhood, I, I don't people, I feel like people, I don't talk to people a lot about my childhood be just because I've never, I've never felt the need to, um, like I just really have never felt the need to, nor, because I feel as if, if I start talking about my childhood to most people, they're gonna interpret it as a situation where I'm trying to make them feel bad for me, even though that's not how I interpret it as a human, like, that's not what I mean by it at all.

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[01:40:32] Jeff Nesbitt: Believe me, I get it. Yeah. Yeah. I, okay. I'm gonna share this with you. I'm having a, like I'm 33 and I have spent the last year just like coming to terms with my childhood and actually processing it for what it was and realizing like,

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[01:41:10] I didn't mean to. No, no, no, not at all, Calvin. Uh, I'm trying to warn you that. You might want to talk about it with somebody. At some point

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[01:41:30] Jeff Nesbitt: Absolutely. It has everything to do with it,

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[01:41:46] That's that that's, I think that's one of the biggest things that like that's the whole, what I was thing you can do when I was talking about, um, changing who I am outside of my professional life. Like I think cuz I, I really do a good job, like [01:42:00] in my professional life. None of that's like, I I've noticed that like those habits are built from me as a person, like a professional person and personal training, those habits, those things that I do there don't have too much to do with who I, uh, like who I try to make sure I find all the correlations of what I was as a kid in terms of what I understand of what I think it's done to me to there.

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[01:42:40] To stay safe, but I don't need to do that. No. So that's what makes it worse. And then it makes it look like it's on me. Yeah. When other people have an emotional response, sometimes I will seem, I will think I need to just fix it and help them because which

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[01:42:56] It sounds great, but it's not good for you. No, it does. And, and when you make that your [01:43:00] life strategy, it is so hard. It is so hard. So that's basically, I'm learning to break that habit now in real, like in real time, this is what, this is like, what I'm going through in my life and it's way too late, man.

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[01:43:39] And then I'm then I realize like what, what am I doing? I'm like, why am I sitting here in these thoughts? And I'll get in repetitive loops where I'm just like, I like, I wanna have conversations with. My parents that I just can't have, um, because I don't wanna hurt their feelings, but, um, in ways that I was just like shaped by some [01:44:00] fundamental parts of my childhood, that weren't great.

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[01:44:27] I, I I've had just such bad anxiety and struggle with depression, quite a bit and substance abuse and a lot of things that I've really never felt like were me. I'm just like, not actually that guy. I'm a very happy person. I like, I really, I really feel genuine joy when I feel like I'm in my true self. And I didn't feel that for years and years and years, um, just, I felt like I was constantly just doing the work of trying to emotionally juggle every person in my life and trying to make sure they were all okay.

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[01:45:16] And then all of a sudden this person is like, what the fuck, man? Um, and they may not say that, but they're, they're feeling it. And they're saying, they're saying it with their, the way they interact with you. And like, you know what I mean? Just like just the micro interactions that we all have on a daily basis.

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[01:45:51] Cuz people fucking talked about it constantly. I had like, I actually, I sometimes do think that when I, cuz I talk about people's bodies, I actually try to [01:46:00] really to celebrate people's bodies. Like when somebody puts in a ton of work on their body and like they're doing it partially so that people can appreciate it.

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[01:46:24] I feel like that would be risky. So I, but I still say it to a dude. Um, nice job. Nice delts look like they're popping. Keep up those shrugs or whatever yeah, that

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[01:46:50] Jeff Nesbitt: funny.

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[01:47:05] So if someone goes to cup, tub telling me, oh, you're glowing. You've never, never looked better. It's like, well, that's not true. Yeah. Like you're lying

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[01:47:23] So when people try to say things to me, it doesn't bother me. Yeah. Me either. Not anymore. I just know. Yeah. Like I've had

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[01:47:53] And what's I want to do so when someone else tells me something, that's not gonna bother me.

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[01:48:09] I really believe in that philosophy the amount of choice that we have as human beings to make changes to who we are fundamentally as a person, like on a cellular level is really huge. We, and people just act like we don't even have that power it's it's.

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[01:48:36] Mm-hmm and, um, it's you don't, you can't let your environment dictate who you are completely, but you also have to acknowledge the influence and it same with other people. You can't let them dictate who you are completely, but you have to acknowledge their influence cuz it does affect you. And yeah, it's just a balancing act, all those things together.

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[01:49:21] And just, and, and you, it's probably not gonna be a immediate thing. Like you're gonna have, it's a process of learning like, oh, this one is harder for me to extinguish than like those other negative traits. Like what's a bad one for me. Anger. Like when I'm, when I have, I, I can take so much shit. I can take so much shit.

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[01:50:09] We're all friends here. Every, like when I'm, I've done everything I can to calm somebody down and they're not calming down. , I, I, this, this fucking rage overtakes me that I feel like I will just destroy anything in my path. And I'm just like, oh no, this is not good. And, um, it, it, like, it's hard to explain, but it's, uh, it's a very powerful feeling.

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[01:50:53] Calvin Baze: That's interesting.

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[01:51:04] Jeff Nesbitt: mad. Oh fuck. I don't wanna get you there then. Yeah, it's probably disastrous.

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[01:51:10] Jeff Nesbitt: I, I feel like the longer the fuse, the bigger the bomb.

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[01:51:16] Yeah. I, I don't know, dude. I just, a lot of things like you probably

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[01:51:25] Calvin Baze: I like literally Bubba, Bubba and I were talking about a story. One time of how, what I, uh, one of our buddies, we were out all hanging out and he tried to punch me in the head.

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[01:51:40] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah, you're a, just a naturally strong kid. I mean, you're not a kid anymore, but you were a strong kid. You're not the type who can beat people up and get away with it. You would've been in juvie.

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[01:51:57] Calvin Baze: honestly. Yes. Yeah. [01:52:00] Well, like what's really interesting about growing up is I felt like I had a target on me, but I didn't have a target on me because some people knew people loved you.

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[01:52:13] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. Dickhead. Do you know what I mean? I do. Yeah, because you were poor. Yeah. There's there's classism. It's real. Yeah, dude, I experienced that too. It sucks. It's there's nothing you can do about it. No,

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[01:52:28] I, for me personally, I don't, I don't care about that. Kind of like, I don't know. I don't know how I found it's really helped me become emotionally stronger. Yeah. But then I realized now I have to go and find and become emotionally strong and intelligent. And these other areas that I wasn't exposed to because of that. So that's how I feel about it. Yeah. So that's why I'm trying to push. I look at my, someone I met the other day from Cornell was down and he was telling me about a book called antifragile.

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[01:53:12] But if I continually add stress, my net's gonna have to grow to hold more fish and hold more stress, hold more. I would just say, and when I say stress, I'm putting myself in uncomfortable positions to grow. You're choosing stress to grow.

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[01:53:27] Yeah. I'm for an intended result. I'm

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[01:53:44] And that's where the balance in, in terms of me sometimes falls because I'm stress, stress, stress, stress, and I'll stress here, stress here, and then try stress one more time. I'm like, let's then, then I'm just sitting there like, oh dude, I gotta go to bed and then burn out. Yeah. Yeah. But not, it's

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[01:53:58] Okay. So you get a night's [01:54:00] sleep and you're back at it the next day. Yes. Then that's not burnout. You're just tired. Yeah. I'm just

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[01:54:16] Jeff Nesbitt: like what does it take for you to get your, your bucket filled socially?

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[01:54:36] What, what's your.

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[01:54:55] It's

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[01:54:57] Calvin Baze: social muscles. Yes. But I [01:55:00] try to become a better listener. So when I go to big large groups, now, what, I'm, what I'm trying to practice as a human is listening more than speaking, because I've always been the talker. I've always, I know I can lead conversations if I need to jump into a conversation and lead it.

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[01:55:30] Yeah.

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[01:55:32] Calvin Baze: Exactly. Yeah. But do you know what I mean? I do. Yeah. Becoming, becoming good at both is balance

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[01:55:48] Polarity holds everything together, you know, positive, negative attraction. Balance is everything it's equilibrium within your body, within society. We have to just keep balance. [01:56:00] It's just crucially important and be because of that, we have so much flexibility cuz when we get too heavy in one area, we can, you know, make that up somewhere else in terms of even society or, or your own life.

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[01:56:33] Um, and other people are like obsessed with it. Um, spiritual, meaning like esoteric kind of like, what are we like, what are, what is our soul? Is there a God? Are we connected to something bigger than ourselves? That kind of stuff. Do you ever think about that stuff?

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[01:56:51] Jeff Nesbitt: bigger?

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[01:57:13] Calvin Baze: Rarely. Well, usually with my, I'll have a conversation where I'm talking, that's how that will kind of lead. Yeah. That, that kind of, that makes me think sci-fi type stuff. So it is really that's exactly what I mean. Yeah. So that's, that's what I talk, I have to speak about that. I don't just, I don't typically just think about that.

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[01:57:46] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh, that shit's fun to talk about. Yeah. I, I think about it all the time. I spend a ton of time, like, uh, driving for work. So I'm, I'm like listening to audio books and occasionally I'll, I'll listen to some about some heady topics just because I'm like, ah, fuck. I'm [01:58:00] stuck in this truck all day. I might as well listen to a book about string theory and just so I can talk about it.

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[01:58:11] Calvin Baze: that's so funny. I'm gonna grab a LaCroix. Will you want one? Uh, yes, please. What's really interesting to talk about when you're saying no one lime or grape freak. Uh, no, no preference, but what's really interesting about that is guess what I wanna talk about all the time, string theory, no fitness.

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[01:58:45] And, and I start to talk to them and I'm talking about fitness and exercise and like who in the hell is this weirdo? Like when the cheer? No,

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[01:58:54] Calvin Baze: When the cheer, when the cheer team came, like comes over and stuff, like you got the whole team. Well, I live [01:59:00] with cheerleaders, right?

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[01:59:19] But it's like, if that, if that makes sense, it's not like, oh, it's nerdy. It's, it's not, it's like nerdy to me. I think its very cool. I don't like, that's not something that upsets me, but I think it's kind of funny. So I think it's so sometimes I'll like, like when, uh, when they're over, I'll sometimes like almost fuck with them and like, and like show my like show my book or whatever.

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[01:59:54] Jeff Nesbitt: cool. Yeah, that shit is like, uh, it feels like learning secrets to me, the kinesiology stuff [02:00:00] about movement about like, well, like locked shoulder.

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[02:00:06] Calvin Baze: um, ball and socket joint that it moves in

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[02:00:18] Calvin Baze: think is really crazy about exercise is it's, it's a medicine.

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[02:00:27] Jeff Nesbitt: because it's a stimulus and a response. And it's not just like the process of lifting a weight.

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[02:00:36] Jeff Nesbitt: on the head. It's long pro progressive overload

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[02:00:39] Yeah. Well, progressive overload is the idea. It basically progressive overload is what allows Wolf's law to work. Right? What's Wolf Wolf's law. Wolf's law is the law that, um, the body's going to adapt to this forces forces put on, right. So let's say, oh, there's a really popular, what is it? Like the birds on the island thing?

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[02:00:56] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. The finches go. Is that what it was? Galapagos.

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[02:01:15] If I recover properly, my body's going to want to grow. Yeah. It,

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[02:01:21] Calvin Baze: Think of it like this. I'm lifting this weight up. It's my body says, ow, that hurts. I am not comfortable. I'm no longer an equilibrium. I need to find a way. So this does not hurt me again, cuz it, like I said earlier, the organism does not like to be, um, an uncomfortable situations of stress.

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[02:01:46] Jeff Nesbitt: how you could think of that. And that's why diet and sleep is so important. Exactly. So what I, I heard this said a lot when I was in college, it's like, um, if you want to grow, the lift is, is why you grow the food is how you grow.

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[02:02:11] Calvin Baze: So it's like, when people say, oh, it's all nutrition, it's all gen it's funny. Cuz it's like a triangle doesn't stand without one of its sides, dude.

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[02:02:38] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. What is with that? That they're want the fastest route possible. Yeah. When I'm really into something, I don't have that impulse. I wanna take as many side roads as possible. So I learn all the different ways you can fail. I want like when I'm learning a new skill, one of the things I always Google is, uh, common mistakes for blank skiing, building a house, whatever.

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[02:03:18] Calvin Baze: no, I'm gonna start doing that with, with other things. Now that's a great idea. I

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[02:03:23] Calvin Baze: just grab crab. Right. Because like an internship, right. I'm down at the beach learning from Rob. So he is going to, he, he's trying to put me in situations and help me learn mistakes, not to do as well.

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[02:03:35] Jeff Nesbitt: So, you know, who's got a great YouTube, uh, full of fitness stuff like that. Uh, Jeff cavalier. Yeah. Lene, Lene X. Have you ever heard of that? I have. He's great. Yeah. I just heard him on a podcast on Huberman lab today. So I he's fresh in my mind, but I used to watch his stuff all the time. He's really good.

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[02:03:59] Calvin Baze: that shit. [02:04:00] So I, I think that, I think the, yeah, so what's really interesting about social media and is, is fucked up as it is to say this dude, the better I look, the, the more opportunity I have there, that's just how humans work.

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[02:04:29] Because then I look like the, the douche bag. I'm like, yeah. Then I'm not, I'm not humbled. I'm not this or that. It's hard to

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[02:04:43] Calvin Baze: thank you.

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[02:04:59] That's probably

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[02:05:13] It's

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[02:05:25] Jeff Nesbitt: just there, you present the information and allow them to make their own decisions.

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[02:05:34] Jeff Nesbitt: there. What if they ask you specifically for that? Like, they're like, Hey, I really need you to like, get on me about this and it's, I really need it. I get lazy really easily.

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[02:05:50] Calvin Baze: sexually? No, that, that, no, that you

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[02:05:54] Calvin Baze: it. If it, if they told me it turned 'em on sexually, I would not do it. No,

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[02:06:00] If they left, just left that part out, kept that part in their head. Oh, I would. But you could still kind of tell

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[02:06:19] Yeah. So I'm not going to, like, if they say they want motivation, I'm going to, I'm going to have more sessions with them as a personal trainer. My, my sessions are that money stacked that paper. Well, exactly. So, but I'm not going to go into the session saying, Hey, Billy, like, I'm not gonna be trying to hype Billy up

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[02:06:34] Why would it be their job to tell you how to do it? You're you're the professional. Exactly. That's why they're paying you exactly. Like I'll yell at you when I need to yell at you. And that's not that much.

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[02:06:53] Yeah. Because I think then that's not, I would be trying to change who I am all the time. So if someone wants motivation, I'm going to create [02:07:00] more sessions with them. I still think, I personally think I, I already have a motivating factor as a trainer. It's just different.

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[02:07:07] Exactly. Right. That's what, yeah.

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[02:07:19] So that's, that's where really big part of me becoming a listener and not a talker is big because sometimes I have clients who guess what? Just wanna fucking exercise and imagine if you're, if you're trying to come in and get some work in and I won't shut the hell up. Yeah.

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[02:07:37] I'm gonna check my list. Um, before we run out of time, just in case I had any questions I don't wanna miss

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[02:07:56] Calvin Baze: Favorite

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[02:08:02] Calvin Baze: I eat apples, I would say almost year round, but, uh, summer fruit water. That's a good one. Yeah. Cause like, I don't really eat water on any other time of the year

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[02:08:13] Me. I'm a nectarine man. Myself. Yeah. Yeah. Can't beat it. It's like when I first learned that nectarines existed, it was kind of groundbreaking, cuz I've always loved a peach. , I still love a peach, but I can't stay on the Fu it makes me it's revolt. I find it revolting. Yeah. It makes me want crawl outta my skin if I even touch it or even think about touching it.

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[02:08:48] It's it has to be some kind of a superfruit that they made in a lab somewhere. But long story short. They're my favorite fruit. They're Amelia too. She just told me that the other day I was like we're snack buddies for life. [02:09:00] Okay. Oh, I have time enough for one question. I think I will go with

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[02:09:31] Calvin Baze: Everybody, everybody. I, I personally believe everybody and that's because I've had so many things said to me in my life that I've thought about that. I know, well, I believe it's driven off of it in security over or something related to the body. So I've gone through, I, I, I think I had some sort of eating disorder to be honest, cuz I would eat really well.

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[02:10:09] Not years. No. Oh a while though. Probably like eight months. That's not

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[02:10:19] Calvin Baze: binge eating, right? Yeah. But I was like, where were you binging on whatever was in the house

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[02:10:25] Yeah. Yeah. Anything were you working out a lot?

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[02:10:33] Jeff Nesbitt: that oh, you're to cut. Yeah, dude, that sounds like a very, very normal reaction to a cut. Like really that cravings.

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[02:10:44] So I, I felt like it was always like a, a forward and backwards type thing. Oh, so you were

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[02:11:02] Calvin Baze: I also think, I also think that a lot of my life has been, uh, geared around being zero to a hundred for specific things because it, it doesn't, I don't have to think about my past when I do that.

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[02:11:14] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. Yeah. Doing that kind of work is, is very hard. Like thinking about shit you don't wanna think about, I I've just been on it lately. Like I talked, I just read this book. I did a couple podcasts about trauma it loosely on trauma. And so I've just been in that material.

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[02:11:50] Cuz that shit, it sucks. No one ever wants to talk about it or deal with it. And I, uh, I, I get it.

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[02:12:06] I'm really like, yeah. I've, I've always like, people always have seen me as a hard worker, this and that, but I think that I've like I've moved on from a lot of things that I noticed were holding me back. If you

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[02:12:24] So I have built the idea that what it takes to build success in this world is well, like people have always said, it takes luck. You have to be lucky. Part of that luck is experiencing some horrible shit as a kid and, and taking the good from it and taking what strength you've built or whatever you learned from that process and taking it with you into your new life and leaving the shit behind and letting it like processing it.

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[02:13:14] If you apply yourself correctly. Mm-hmm and I, I really do. I really do think that's the truth. And by that same logic aim logic, if you aren't able to rise above that stuff, it can drag you back down. It's so far

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[02:13:34] That doesn't like restrict me horribly, but it restricts me and it's, and that, that restriction is going to add up over time. Mm-hmm and it's going to turn on and off a lot of open and close a lot of doors that could just be opens if I didn't have that. But yeah, I think a lot of the body just going back to the body dysmorphia thing, I think that a lot of, uh, I, I, I know that it's, it's common.

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[02:14:08] Or like, are you supposed to be eating

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[02:14:28] And that rule's bullshit. Like we all gotta make our own rules. Yeah. And like, if it's working for you, it's working for you. And if it's not, it's not, it's

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[02:14:45] I, so what's helped me a lot with not retaliating to other people is if someone says something mean to me, it's probably because they're insecure about something within themselves. Almost certainly. I have no reason to reply to you. I'm trying. I, I'm trying to [02:15:00] get to a point where I've said everything that anyone can possibly say to me.

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[02:15:09] Jeff Nesbitt: me. Yeah. They don't get to decide no other people don't get to decide who you are. No, we all get to decide who we are. Exactly. And that's, that's let's end on that. All right. This has been a really a pleasure.

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