Episode 47
Boho-hobos, Drugs, and Nudie Mags with Cody Chalker
Cody Chalker makes his triumphant return and we talk about a variety of topics including higher education, finance, and the World-famous Twinsday Festival in Twinsburg, Ohio.
I have been friends with Cody for almost 30 years and it felt great to kick it with an old friend. I don't think we solved any of the world's problem's or answered any of the unanswered questions, but that didn't stop us from trying and we had a ton of laughs along the way.
I hope you enjoy.
Topics/Keywords:
Student loans; higher education; trade school; on-the-job training; Salt Lake City; Utah; homelessness; family; finance; blockchain; cryptocurrencies, decentralized finance; Solana; Dogecoin; meme-coins; twin studies; Louis CK; Harvey Weinstein; Bill Gates; COVID-19 vaccine; sexual assault, privacy, technology; addiction; recovery; bachelor parties; Tony Robbins; Shallow Hal; tall guys who can’t dunk; camping; Salt Lake Community College; parenting teens; retirement; absorbed twins; privacy; paintball accidents; Five Guys Burgers and Fries; Papa Murphy’s; Culver’s; cheese curds; ashwaganda; insulin-like growth factor; reproductive science; anxiety; Kratom; herbal remedies; benzodiazepines; antidepressants; gluten; Celiac’s Disease; sugar; cooking; eating healthy; money management; gambling; Ethereum; NFTs; trucks; Toyota; GMC Canyon; Tesla; Cybertruck; King of the Hill; The Simpsons; sitcoms; TGIF; South Park; Comedy Central; soft-core porn; the weather.
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Intro
[:[00:00:33] So we got it started. And we were just a couple of minutes in, and my wife came running in and let us know that his dog who was hanging out with my wife and kids while we recorded, had attacked one of our. Maybe more than one. I don't really know, but needless to say it was a bit of a chaotic event and it made it so that the podcast kind of got broken apart and the flow was gone.
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[:[00:03:28] And I know the reason it's because you don't like crypto and you're bored of crypto. Please do me a favor and go back and listen to that episode. Even turn this one off, go back to that one. It's important. I made that episode for you. I made that episode because I wanted you to know about what's going on in the world of finance.
[:[00:04:05] If it was, it would be in depth. And I would, I would, I mean, I don't even think I could make that episode. I don't know enough about it to really do that, but I wanted to make one that was for people who are in my audience, who don't really engage so much in that community. And this could be like a way to get them interested or at the very least just a way so that you know what you're missing so that when people like me try to convince you that this is a future, you can tell them to go fuck off.
[:[00:04:53] So it's not just a crypto podcast. I think you'll like it just as much if I wouldn't have called it the crypto podcast, [00:05:00] I think everybody would have probably not even noticed that it was just that that's what it was. I just, you know, I'm trying to do, I'm trying to be more targeted in my marketing. It's hard to figure out how to do all that.
[:[00:05:32] Yeah. Tinkering around with the search engine optimization, but it's really no different than the rest of the episodes. So check that out if you skipped it and whatever, if you don't like it, you don't like it. It's cool too. Anyway, I just don't want you to miss. So my guest today is Cody Chalker and he is one of my good buddies from back in the day.
[:[00:06:16] I like to fuck with them a little bit. And he, he likes to fuck with me too. That's just kind of how our sense of humor is. And we have a good time. This podcast is really fun. I had a good time editing it. I just finished up and I thought it was really funny, especially the second half. It really picks up and gets hilarious.
[:[00:06:51] So without further ado, please welcome again. My good buddy, Cody chucker.
Cody Chalker 2
[:[00:00:02] Cody Chalker: I'm good.
[:[00:00:05] Jeff Nesbitt: you feeling today? I'm a little sore or, you know, what's you been doing?
[:[00:00:13] Jeff Nesbitt: oh yeah, you're getting some golf done. Huh? Yeah. I got a
[:[00:00:19] Jeff Nesbitt: That's awesome. So your dad's backup here.
[:[00:00:27] Cody Chalker: Uh, shoot. Think October to may
[:[00:00:34] Cody Chalker: Yeah. Usually early October to may, but I think he's got to wait til mid October this year,
[:[00:00:44] Cody Chalker: yeah. Try to stay out of the rainy, shitty weather as much as he can, I
[:[00:00:52] I'll kill you. Oh yeah. I hate the rain. I'm sick of the rain. I mean, I liked the rain cause it, it makes the, the land healthy, but fuck the
[:[00:01:02] Jeff Nesbitt: does. You know why? I'm one of the reasons why I just learned about this. So there's a negatively charged ions in the rain.
[:[00:01:29] Cody Chalker: When you tie, you could smell it coming before it even comes
[:[00:01:33] Yeah. I bet. It's is it less frequent, but more profound? Like, boom. You get the real ring. Yeah. You
[:[00:01:48] Jeff Nesbitt: they're just when God's really angry. Yeah. Yeah.
[:[00:02:06] Cody Chalker: I don't know. As there used to be in my opinion
[:[00:02:10] Cody Chalker: Yeah. I haven't known that much. Yeah. Well, it's gotten so diverse over there lately up in Utah.
[:[00:02:19] Jeff Nesbitt: it's not all just salt anymore. Yeah. I'm talking white people. Yeah. Did it used to be, uh,
[:[00:02:30] Jeff Nesbitt: Like, has it always been diverse or was it, is this a newer thing?
[:[00:02:44] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. That's what I mean. I mean, isn't Mormon mostly white folks. Yeah. I guess. I mean, I don't know much about it. I'm just asking.
[:[00:02:56] Jeff Nesbitt: a picture of the Mitt Romney types.
[:[00:03:07] But there's all kinds of different Mormons up there.
[:[00:03:16] Cody Chalker: yeah. Very, very nice polite. Like just, you know, they got their ways. So
[:[00:03:28] I think that's fine. Who's got the space monsters. I'm pretty sure that's the intolerance. Okay. I think you're right. It sounds scientific. Yeah. I don't know. We'll just leave this to the suits in Washington. Yeah, no, duh. Uh, for now let's get these mics set up.
[:[00:03:45] Jeff Nesbitt: Um, yeah, I've been working from in here this the last week. Oh, nice. There you go.
[:[00:04:08] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. It's better working from home is the shit, man.
[:[00:04:14] So he called me like a second later go.
[:[00:04:36] All right. Anything else in your pockets? Phone? Is it on vibrate at least? Oh yeah. Let me
[:[00:04:48] Jeff Nesbitt: damn she checking out. Oh, the crypto markets are acting very weird. The last couple of days. Have you do follow it?
[:[00:05:06] Jeff Nesbitt: it's probably changed a lot in the last five years.
[:[00:05:12] Cody Chalker: Just a Bitcoin and Ethereum
[:[00:05:17] Cody Chalker: but I invested a little bit when it was a lot cheaper,
[:[00:05:31] Cody Chalker: I'm just sitting on it, seeing if I like it was more sure about, I'd probably be dumping more money into
[:[00:05:43] Cody Chalker: It's still kind of, in my opinion, it's, it's very new. It's like, uh, I don't know. We'll see what happens, you know, you don't know what other governments are going to try to do about.
[:[00:06:07] Cody Chalker: Well, currency's played a big role in, in our governmental processes that we,
[:[00:06:16] Yeah.
[:[00:06:28] Cody Chalker: looking little mic.
[:[00:06:36] So when you headed back to Utah, uh, tomorrow morning flying out, um, from you driving. Oh, that's right. You drove down here. Yeah. I had to bring the dog down. Oh yeah. It was that the main motivation for the choice to drive. I don't really want to fly. Oh, cause the COVID
[:[00:07:00] I prefer to,
[:[00:07:06] Cody Chalker: don't mind it at all. Some days I get tired, but I always just do it. Knowing that if I get tired, I'll stop and get a hotel
[:[00:07:18] Cody Chalker: just hotel. I ain't a
[:[00:07:22] We covered that last week on the podcast.
[:[00:07:29] Jeff Nesbitt: not very funny. Oh yeah. No uncle Sam's paying for it, Bonnie. Yeah. None of them funny. I got bums fill in the hotels. Hey, good for the hotels though. Yeah. Somebody's got to stay in that's you know, it's weird though.
[:[00:07:56] How do we do this? We'll fill our hotels. [00:08:00]
[:[00:08:07] Jeff Nesbitt: I keep hearing that it's going to stop and then they keep extending it. Yeah. Well it's just kinda,
[:[00:08:14] Jeff Nesbitt: I don't know. I haven't had to make my think about it. My federal student loan payment for almost a year or over a year.
[:[00:08:22] Cody Chalker: Oh man. I should've went into this shit. I got a bigger loan for school. Did something different.
[:[00:08:31] I always owed that the payments are so small that it's just paying the interest. Yeah. Terrible. This system is ruined there's so I have it pretty good, really for, for being out of the whole grand scheme of things. My financial experience with college was better than a lot, but I still came out of it owing 31,000 and I still owe like 27,000 or something.
[:[00:09:19] Yeah. 17 year olds will sign that paper. Oh, you're going to give me 30 grand hell yeah. I'll sign the paper. Right, right here. Dotted line. Perfect. Oh, I have a school. I don't have a fully mature adult brain, but sure. I'm sure I'll figure this out. You know, when it comes time to pay. Yeah. And, and you do
[:[00:09:43] Jeff Nesbitt: in a bucket.
[:[00:09:57] Cody Chalker: was crazy how they get away with charging you so much [00:10:00] for education. Like it's not very good at anyways. Well,
[:[00:10:12] Yeah. Is it really worth 40 grand for, well, you make it worth it to exactly. But you could do that outside of the institution. Yeah, that
[:[00:10:29] Jeff Nesbitt: so much for that sounds awfully libertarian.
[:[00:10:37] Cody Chalker: I'm just kind of a mix. Like, yeah. I don't really, politics is kind of weird these days.
[:[00:10:52] Otherwise people just make assumptions that aren't true. Oh yeah, for
[:[00:11:08] Jeff Nesbitt: And, and everybody's like an asshole, right? What does it say about assholes?
[:[00:11:16] Cody Chalker: they all stink.
[:[00:11:31] Cody Chalker: I just went to school and paid off my schooling while I was going, or I was working too.
[:[00:11:38] Jeff Nesbitt: so all those people who were telling us in high school, you gotta go to college, you got to go to college. They didn't mention shit about technical education. No. Anything about really? I mean, they barely talked about college, but they really didn't talk about other stuff. Like how did you find out what, what led you down that path to becoming an electrician and to getting [00:12:00] your journeymen license and to becoming a, one of the higher earning workers in the whole middle-class electricians, plumbers, jobs like this, they get paid , super high.
[:[00:12:15] Cody Chalker: It's hard work. It's definitely not like easy. You know, it's very taxing on the body. It's, you know, it's a lot of work, but, uh, I just always thought when I was getting out of school, I was always thinking, I didn't know what I wanted to do.
[:[00:12:42] Jeff Nesbitt: My feet are very antsy. anyway. Oh, well, um, so where'd you go to technical school? In salt lake. Okay. What was the place called
[:[00:12:53] Call it little apprenticeship program that they did. And it kind of is that
[:[00:13:01] Cody Chalker: it was through the employer. So you got to have an employer that, uh, pretty much sponsors you for a, uh, for a license and apprenticeship license. And then once you have your apprenticeship license, you can do all the schooling and
[:[00:13:21] Cody Chalker: time.
[:[00:13:37] Jeff Nesbitt: It's a system that could be applied to a lot of different industries. Yeah. Yeah, definitely.
[:[00:13:44] Cody Chalker: a lot of different stuff out there now. It's like, you can go into programming, take just classes online and pay for, to become Reggie or to become a certified, to be a programmer. And then you make good money doing that kind of [00:14:00] stuff.
[:[00:14:12] Jeff Nesbitt: You can no, you really don't know. And it almost, most people probably shouldn't try because they are very, very expensive.
[:[00:14:32] Cody Chalker: Yes. Do, please do.
[:[00:14:43] Uh, then again, I, if I would've gone to a different, a better school, maybe I would've done a different job, but I don't know. I'd never felt like it was that important. The name, I was just like, I can learn the same stuff going to Western as I could go into a better school, but I don't know [00:15:00] college was cool, but it it's definitely not for everybody.
[:[00:15:17] Cody Chalker: just, it's really bad. Not good corruption. Now. It's just kind of like, everything's
[:[00:15:24] It's sending her daughter to college based on
[:[00:15:35] Jeff Nesbitt: I don't even think that's corruption. I think it's legit. It's just exorbitant overhead. They have way too many administrators, but I mean, they're all it's, I dunno.
[:[00:15:59] [00:16:00] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[:[00:16:13] Jeff Nesbitt: kinds of issues too.
[:[00:16:24] I mean, , unless you're a doctor, I guess you could. Yeah.
[:[00:16:42] And that piece of paper may or may not mean anything to some other people.
[:[00:16:51] Jeff Nesbitt: aren't, I'm probably were already yeah.
[:[00:17:01] Or is it like something that, you know, you're going to end up going, doing something else and then having a really hard time to pay off the amount of debt that you accumulated?
[:[00:17:22] I can't imagine. I feel like I would have felt, , like I missed out if I didn't go to college, I would have felt insecure about it, I think. But . I don't think everyone else has the same mental priorities as me. That's why I came
[:[00:17:37] Jeff Nesbitt: when I was going to college. You're right along there getting the,
[:[00:17:43] Yeah.
[:[00:18:00] Cody Chalker: Oh yeah. I imagine it has been hit pretty
[:[00:18:03] I bet there's a lot more homeless people live in there now. Yeah. But
[:[00:18:10] Jeff Nesbitt: nowadays. Yeah. There
[:[00:18:26] Jeff Nesbitt: you wouldn't have been the type of homeless guy who like admits it.
[:[00:18:48] He just won't give me the keys, but I obviously I'm not homeless. Yeah. I mean, I get it. I'm yeah. All my stuff is in the back of my car. And I mean, I do live in the car, but, uh, no, I'm not home. Don't worry about me. I'm Cody [00:19:00] Chalker. I got seven coats.
[:[00:19:07] Like just lie myself out of this.
[:[00:19:27] Cody Chalker: I, it happens,
[:[00:19:36] Cody Chalker: to Vegas and not, not rented a room prior and been stuck out on the, in the truck pretty much overnight, but that's the closest thing I've been homelessness.
[:[00:20:02] I was being a teenager.
[:[00:20:09] Jeff Nesbitt: I think it was actually because my mom wanted me to go to church and I didn't want to go to church. And so I had moved, moved into my. Uh, it was a bad choice.
[:[00:20:21] Yeah. You always have those time just going to run away, like get the heck out of here.
[:[00:20:39] Like it happens starting at infancy, really like little babies will do it, uh, and less and less degrees. I mean, they'll need the parents less and less progressively as they get older, which, yeah. Which is weird as a parent, like you see it happening and it's kind of strange, especially like, as they turn into teenagers, both both my older kids are [00:21:00] hitting the teen years.
[:[00:21:25] They don't know shit either. They don't even know how cool this music is. So we, if anything, turn it up because they need to know, let them know, but I think of my dad when I was that age, it doesn't matter what he was doing. Any attention was negative.
[:[00:21:57] So he lives down there in California. [00:22:00] Yeah. What does your mom think of that? Does he hate her?
[:[00:22:05] Jeff Nesbitt: About him being gone half the year.
[:[00:22:11] Jeff Nesbitt: Okay. So basically they're just living the life. They want to live individually and together.
[:[00:22:16] Cody Chalker: Yeah. She's just not retired yet. So she has to be back here and work.
[:[00:22:27] Cody Chalker: we're getting some retirement, the warm weather down south every year. So I don't blame him.
[:[00:22:33] Jeff Nesbitt: for him it doesn't have back problems to gather out here. Probably sucks
[:[00:22:49] Jeff Nesbitt: keep stacking those coins, buddy.
[:[00:22:52] Cody Chalker: stack them. They go up. Huh? There goes my fingers.
[:[00:23:09] Yeah. Oh,
[:[00:23:15] Jeff Nesbitt: in a couple of years. Yeah. Yeah. It'll probably be worth one Bitcoin. Yeah. That's kind of probably the main currency. I bet you anything. It's going to become more, more and more important. What, what is one Bitcoin is worth on a world stage that's what, any current
[:[00:23:30] Jeff Nesbitt: worth?
[:[00:23:48] maybe not people would start flooding into Bitcoin more, but I don't know. No reason to speculate. I don't know what I'm talking about.
[:[00:23:58] Jeff Nesbitt: That stuff. It [00:24:00] is. It is. But I'm thinking about doing a show about it. I've been thinking about it for awhile, um, where we just start at the beginning and talk about blockchain and.
[:[00:24:33] Oh yeah. It's just like blockchain, the concept of a blockchain. How it's it's a distributed network. What the fuck does that mean? Most people probably
[:[00:24:53] Jeff Nesbitt: internet.
[:[00:25:19] The crypto web web 2.0 web 3.0 is distributed. So it's like individual computers run the whole thing. So it's, it's just way better, but it's way more data heavy. Like it requires a lot more electricity just to, for all that computing power. So that's not great.
[:[00:25:44] Jeff Nesbitt: usage.
[:[00:26:07] Cody Chalker: coins. I've tried doing that and I, yeah, just find the cheapest ones.
[:[00:26:21] Jeff Nesbitt: but there's a lot of SCORM coins though. It's dangerous to do that because so many of them, and you could see it just looking through the list.
[:[00:26:45] Cody Chalker: just never know if it goes from like a panini. Because it
[:[00:26:52] I'll buy one or whatever. And boom. It just goes from, it goes a thousand X in a day. You're [00:27:00] crazy,
[:[00:27:04] Jeff Nesbitt: yeah, immediately. You gotta, if you, if you play that game with alt coins, that there's that the drop and then it like the initial drop of the coin.
[:[00:27:33] Cody Chalker: Yeah. Yeah. It was crazy the way they killed mentally, just change the market like that. And it kind of came out, you know, like it was very noticeable how corrupt the market is once that kind of happened. You're like, holy man. I know it's not good. It's not good at all.
[:[00:28:05] Cody Chalker: yeah. Well, he's the guy, a couple of inches on me. He's probably
[:[00:28:13] How many eggs were there to think back to think back Cody? You're not even thinking. I remember, I remember
[:[00:28:23] Jeff Nesbitt: um, did you guys hang out a lot in the womb? Yep.
[:[00:28:28] Jeff Nesbitt: on the way out. I was reading the other day that says that, uh, doing twin studies, they do interact a lot in the womb.
[:[00:28:47] Cody Chalker: getting ready to
[:[00:28:59] [00:29:00] Yeah. I mean, I know you've been alone since then, but the that's not really a loan because you still have memories of being connected to others. Does that make sense? So that, that singular state of consciousness where you have no input from other consciousness forms, unless you get some from your mom, which you probably do in utero.
[:[00:29:32] Cody Chalker: Yeah. Well, I know that like you spend your whole life, you know, and trying to be an individual rather than being looked at as like, uh, the same person, you know what I mean? Just as being a twin, you know, spend your whole time, like trying to be an individual when everybody looks as you as the same as Your twin brother.
[:[00:30:01] like you're like half and half of it. Not like you're the same, you're one dude. And he's one dude. That's just the same. I don't think of twins like that at all. I think of a more as just like brothers plus. All right. All right. Does that make sense? Yeah. Um, almost like an extension of you, not, not necessarily a copy of you,
[:[00:30:28] You think your brother
[:[00:30:41] Cody Chalker: It's never gonna happen.
[:[00:30:51] Yeah, it's not, it's not unheard of to think of that being possible. Like, , we have all connections, like the better you, like, I know my [00:31:00] wife so well that when something in the world happens, I can feel her reaction to it. Even if she's not around, I know what she's going to do. And who knows if that's a result of my my brain, being able to accurately simulate her brain, or if that is the result of an actual psychic connection that we can't really explain or measure, there's no way of knowing which of those two things it is, but it is one of those two things or some combination.
[:[00:31:26] Cody Chalker: or
[:[00:31:56] From nowhere, these downloads of information. And you have [00:32:00] that knowing quality to it where it's just like, oh, this is just truth. And I don't know where it came from. That's where I think that comes from. Okay. And it could just as easily be just it's that chemical combination that gives you that knowing, feeling like that actual experience of like the feeling of, oh yeah.
[:[00:32:38] do you guys ever have weird shit happen? Like where you're just he's on your mind a lot and all of a sudden he just calls you, uh, things like that.
[:[00:32:59] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:33:00] that seems like that happens with my wife too.
[:[00:33:32] Like they brought up, they got brought up in separate homes. Maybe some of them didn't even know they were twins. The majority of them are very similar. Anyway, they like will have similar interests, similar preferences and things like that. And yeah, it's, it's
[:[00:33:47] That is an interesting work. So that's like, you always think that every, all your preferences and things you're interested in is dependent on like what you're around and what you grew up around and like yeah. Your life [00:34:00] experience. I give you the different lifestyle than your twin because you guys were separated.
[:[00:34:13] Jeff Nesbitt: no that's, some of them are like freaky similar. Like there's there was one where there, these guys didn't know that either one of them were twins and they both grew up to be firemen. They both married a woman with the same name and their dog, the same thing.
[:[00:34:29] Cody Chalker: It was very bizarre where they identical twins. Yeah.
[:[00:34:39] Cody Chalker: I think I heard something about that is that like when one twin eats the other and the wound nurse, they don't
[:[00:34:52] That didn't feel like it came from me. Maybe that was, you know, it's just a random thought. Maybe it came from somewhere else. Yeah. [00:35:00] It could have been from that twin. You absorbed, maybe there's three of you in there. You ever think that you may be able to absorb the third one. I didn't even know
[:[00:35:08] Jeff Nesbitt: It is, you can have like a face on your neck and it's like, that's the third twin that never, never popped out. And that would be
[:[00:35:17] Jeff Nesbitt: Weird, weird. Or, or if he, yeah, cause what if that, what if you didn't, it wasn't a face, but it was just like one of the parts that's not really conscious.
[:[00:35:39] Cody Chalker: Sorry. I don't know here. Public. Just like do bad.
[:[00:35:48] Cody Chalker: you get in a lot of trouble, you know, who's that comedian they're already gotten a lot of trouble.
[:[00:35:57] Cody Chalker: was his problem. He says, [00:36:00]
[:[00:36:09] And I wasn't offended really by him jerking off to those ladies. Uh, I think that it was weird. Definitely rude for sure. But traumatizing maybe, um, assault. Nah. Yeah. I wouldn't, I don't think really. I mean, I wasn't there. I didn't, I didn't feel the spritz if they were close enough to get splashed that's assault.
[:[00:36:32] Cody Chalker: you're right. Yeah. You're absolutely right. I wasn't there. So I don't know exactly
[:[00:36:47] No way. I'd be like, nah, maybe just wait until I leave. You can jerk off thinking about me later. Yeah. That'll be fine with me.
[:[00:37:00] Jeff Nesbitt: you really shouldn't 10, 20 years ago he could into a house plan with him on a ficus.
[:[00:37:10] Cody Chalker: and didn't even know that it was a bunch of maids
[:[00:37:28] Watching him jerk off. Oh, so it was like definitely an abuse of power. Yeah, for sure. Um, and borderline assaultish, I'd say sexually assaultish behavior. Yeah. But
[:[00:37:55] Jeff Nesbitt: or the boss cannot fuck his employees.
[:[00:38:19] I bet. It's good. I bet it's good. But it's not as pushed. Is it used to be in your face? Like I don't hear about him at all other than on podcasts. Oh, I'm sure. I don't see advertisements for his stuff. I don't see him on TV. He's just gone.
[:[00:38:40] Jeff Nesbitt: it's a pandemic.
[:[00:38:48] Jeff Nesbitt: that. Oh, God mask makers are ranking in they're raking in the dough right now. It's a good time to be a mask maker or zoom. If you are, if you own zoom stock,
[:[00:38:59] Yep.
[:[00:39:17] Cody Chalker: sure. It's just kind of seems like a weasel.
[:[00:39:24] Cody Chalker: It's all right. He's rich.
[:[00:39:34] Cody Chalker: know, or he was the, what was it? The vaccine
[:[00:39:44] Yeah.
[:[00:39:47] Jeff Nesbitt: investment. Yeah. I've made a joke many times on here that, about him trying to put a chip in everybody. Yeah. Cause that was out theory is, and [00:40:00] I don't know why I thought it was so crazy because there absolutely are chips that would fit in a needle. Yeah.
[:[00:40:23] Cody Chalker: I'm well, we all got social security cards and like all that
[:[00:40:26] Yeah. So we're all carrying the chip in our pocket. It's not a big deal. Yeah.
[:[00:40:42] Jeff Nesbitt: yeah. We have to trade convenience for privacy. We get to privacy.
[:[00:41:09] Cody Chalker: Yeah. Oh yeah. Well, I used to be sketched out to just, uh, buy stuff online. Always think, oh, what if my car gets hacked or this or that, but then yeah, I D I had dawned on me. Well, every time I swipe it, it's pretty much the same thing, you know? It really is like, what's the difference anymore? Yeah, no, I don't really worry about it.
[:[00:41:36] Jeff Nesbitt: and what are your common passwords? Oh, well
[:[00:41:43] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh, good. I was just testing you. Yeah, I've done that a couple of times where I started talking about my crypto holdings and I'm like, starting to say the apps that I'm using and shit, I'm just like, eh, maybe not, actually, I don't want to do that.
[:[00:42:08] Cody Chalker: Yeah.
[:[00:42:26] Cody Chalker: don't. I don't worry about it. I just like more try to go, you know, do things within my control, you know, to stay, you know, healthy and happy, you know, I try not to worry about politics or what the government's doing anymore.
[:[00:42:48] Jeff Nesbitt: And no, it doesn't always mean. No it doesn't. Yeah. Um, that's we covered absorbed twins [00:43:00]
[:[00:43:02] Jeff Nesbitt: Um, oh. Do you remember, uh, shooting Alex Martin in the face with a paintball gun? Yeah. It wasn't wearing
[:[00:43:10] Jeff Nesbitt: in the nose.
[:[00:43:21] Cody Chalker: he's he was prepared to do that pretty art. Cause I think there's a good handful of times where I figured he wanted to
[:[00:43:32] Cody Chalker: There were
[:[00:43:55] Oh no. Blinding him with the reflective part of his book [00:44:00] and Alex leapt. We're all just like sitting in on a criss cross apple sauce on the ground. And Alex left across like four people and tackled him and just started beating him.
[:[00:44:14] Jeff Nesbitt: I was at, uh, cispus sixth grade.
[:[00:44:17] Cody Chalker: I was thinking, I was thinking of, uh,
[:[00:44:28] Cody Chalker: Um, yeah, I remember sneaking some, some party
[:[00:44:39] Uh,
[:[00:44:44] Jeff Nesbitt: what it was. And then,
[:[00:44:50] Jeff Nesbitt: that was probably, uh, you're the peak of your substance abuse. Yeah. Junior year of high school. I was living the party life.
[:[00:44:59] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:45:00] Yeah.
[:[00:45:07] Cody Chalker: well, I don't know. I mean, I, I didn't take her off in high school. That's for sure. Tapered off more into my early
[:[00:45:20] Cody Chalker: Just like, you know, being addicted to drugs and deciding that I could either keep doing this and have a terrible life, or I could stop and do what I can to, , make my life as, , as happy and more fulfilled, you know? So I just kind of put a crossroad there. I just kind of decided like, I'm not going to do this anymore.
[:[00:45:58] And then you just [00:46:00] started a new journey?
[:[00:46:20] I just kind of like tried making better decisions. And then eventually I was just kinda like, yeah, there's no excuse to make these shitty choices anymore. I'm going to have a shitty life if I don't. And then so eventually the, I just kinda put the crossroads, there it's either turn right or turn left, you know, it's like,
[:[00:46:48] Like, it seems like after you went to Utah, when, when I saw you after that, or talk to you after that, you, you had improved your life big time. You didn't, you didn't seem like you were struggling anymore. You seemed [00:47:00] like you were thriving. Was that just because of the move or was the w basically I'm asking, did the move come first or did the decision to stop partying like that come first?
[:[00:47:11] Cody Chalker: the decision to stop partying like that came first, but there was a couple of relapses before, and then eventually I decided I was like, I need to get the heck out of here. Like, I can't be around this anymore. I can't be around these people that I'm around anymore. And then, so I guess it coincided in a way where it's eventually I realized, like, I just need a change in scenery and oh yeah.
[:[00:47:55] Jeff Nesbitt: but yeah, but going and getting help sometimes is expensive and [00:48:00] hard and , it comes along with so much stigma.
[:[00:48:25] Cody Chalker: time.
[:[00:48:32] Jeff Nesbitt: No. And just the loss of that easy switch, like in life, life gets hard. You can flip the easy switch, get high, and then all of a sudden life's not so hard anymore. Forget about the difficulties. And then it becomes so much harder when that wears off.
[:[00:49:02] Cody Chalker: I've had that understanding, which is nice.
[:[00:49:33] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah, energy is a resource that you can invest in your future. If you invest your energy into making the right choices. Now, even when they're hard, your future will inevitably be better. And that kind of, and
[:[00:49:46] Like, uh, we realized that we can like sacrifice something for the cause and for now, and then it pays off in the future, like sure. You even knew what time was. Isn't that kind of how we discovered time.
[:[00:50:11] So yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Time is a trip is a very, yeah, it's gone by so fast that it freaks me out. Life is so short.
[:[00:50:29] Jeff Nesbitt: so weird. So Colton's getting married. Yeah.
[:[00:50:58] Oh, that sounds like it was [00:51:00] fun. It was fun. But the, for Colton, I guess it'll depend on where they're getting married, but we should come up with something really cool and really fun. I'll help. I know you're the best man, but I'll help you bear some of that load.
[:[00:51:16] I'm not sure
[:[00:51:22] Cody Chalker: Yeah. April's nice. Well, it's still kind of rainy out here, isn't it?
[:[00:51:30] Cody Chalker: yeah, it's true.
[:[00:51:45] That's where you got married. Oh yeah. That's where we was supposed to be there. You don't go very well there though. Yeah, that was funny. So we're all standing there out in the desert, up on this big rock, , waiting for the ceremony to start. And my [00:52:00] mom and my two, two of my best friends who are like, I'd say 40% of my guests party.
[:[00:52:38] Sorry about that.
[:[00:52:48] Jeff Nesbitt: It's okay. Friends. We are. Yeah. It's all right. It was a good wedding. Yeah. Wait, the reason we made it in Las Vegas anyway was because we didn't think that people would travel there. No, [00:53:00] uh, I didn't want to make it a big to do you know how to make a big fuss about it?
[:[00:53:28] Don't because I don't want this to be just like, oh, my friend wants me to do his stupid fucking podcast. That's becoming a thing. It's a meme now. Everyone's, everyone's got a podcast and everyone's bitching about their friends asking them to be on podcasts. Excuse me, for trying to make you famous. You ungrateful.
[:[00:53:48] Cody Chalker: I think it's always interesting, like never been on a podcast. So my visible, you know, that's what I try it out, check it out. I always think it's an image. I always kind of like, like I always thought maybe it's [00:54:00] something you do. It's fun. Always kind of creative, you know? Like it's like, yeah. I, it doesn't surprise me that you have podcast.
[:[00:54:19] Cody Chalker: it as in like, you're, you've always creative, you know?
[:[00:54:24] Cody Chalker: way a person would
[:[00:54:26] Yeah. Sometimes I feel like it means like, yeah, dude, you're always talking too much. I could see that you got an, a, you figured something out where you could do that. Now you didn't. Now I just talk into this computer and it just saves it up. Yeah. And then it just saves it up. This is like episode 40 something, 40, 45, right?
[:[00:54:59] Cody Chalker: imagine Joe [00:55:00] Rogan, Joe Rogan. No, holy
[:[00:55:03] Cody Chalker: hours long or five
[:[00:55:09] Yeah, it's kind of thing you have to just put on, like, as you're working and it's in the background and you're just like you're tuning in and out. But if you miss something, you miss something because sometimes it's just two people who you don't know, talking about other people that you don't know, and you just sit there and listen intently.
[:[00:55:29] Cody Chalker: and a few, I haven't gotten into it, but it's definitely something that, I mean, I probably could do if I just started doing it
[:[00:55:46] I was looking through them this morning. Oh, that was a great back pop that just made my whole head feel lighter. Um, so I was looking at him this morning trying to just get ideas. , so I'm going through and looking for trends, [00:56:00] like things that, that all of the top podcasts seem to do, that's getting them on these lists and these in the browse browsers and explore feeds and all that stuff.
[:[00:56:35] Cody Chalker: well, you got those ones that are like.
[:[00:56:45] Jeff Nesbitt: not
[:[00:56:49] Jeff Nesbitt: He's the, the OGE of motivational speaking.
[:[00:56:53] Jeff Nesbitt: uh, do you remember the movie shallow? How Shannon Robins was in that? What was he really?
[:[00:57:19] It's just a giant, he is a literal giant. Did you know that as gigantism he has like
[:[00:57:28] Jeff Nesbitt: fricking I bet in his, in his prime he could have just don't click a motherfucker. Oh yeah. But who knows? Maybe he's one of those big uncoordinated, tall guys who can't dunk and everyone hates him for it.
[:[00:57:49] Cody Chalker: Cody, you always cooked
[:[00:57:57] Cody Chalker: I remember that camping trip we did with [00:58:00] Lambert, with Lambert and pageant. Yeah,
[:[00:58:03] Cody Chalker: wasn't your mom and Lambert's mom that came up on us. Yeah.
[:[00:58:18] Told some cool stories. Lamberton, interesting guy. You remember king man gets the green
[:[00:58:26] Jeff Nesbitt: I do remember that, but my repeating that phrase over and over, um, and it means nobody else gets to smoke my weed and he kept calling himself king, man.
[:[00:58:50] Jeff Nesbitt: I'm cold man.
[:[00:58:55] Cody Chalker: your mom, or, or I can't remember if it was your mom or if it [00:59:00] was P or a, if it was a Michael's mom, but yeah, maybe it was both of them.
[:[00:59:20] I think I probably got grounded or something, but how do you even put. Uh, 220 pound, 16 year old. Yeah. It's very do owns all of his own shit. You make him sleep in a truck, drives
[:[00:59:33] Jeff Nesbitt: You make them go to church, get their fucking life together. And then if they don't want to do that, they can live in a truck.
[:[00:59:46] Cody Chalker: Yeah. It's kind of vague. Huh? You ever try to think about everything and it's kind of like that when that happened
[:[01:00:00] The ones with the most confident confidence has zero correlation with the accuracy of memory. Yeah. Think about that. What that actually means, think about what that means for eyewitness testimony. Like narcissism. There's no like no confidence in the, in the accuracy of the memory. So when you are remembering something, there is, uh, a level of confidence in the memory that's paired to that memory in your mind.
[:[01:00:52] Okay. So you might feel completely confident in a memory that is completely fucking wrong, or you might feel zero confidence for a memory [01:01:00] that is actually very accurate. And there's no way of knowing which direction that goes. So you don't, you really can't trust anybody's memory completely, including your own.
[:[01:01:12] Cody Chalker: interesting. I never thought about that. You can, I'm never confident in my memories though. I'm usually very like, yeah, no, I'm not going to be able to tell ya. I'm not combining my memories that I'm kind of share. It's like, yeah. I don't even trust my memory whether or not I feel like it's, you know,
[:[01:01:34] I learned not to trust my memory at all. I got if I need to carry a notebook. Yeah. Yeah. Just, just to be, I mean, I didn't train myself to, to learn how to use my memory properly. Cause I knew it was like incapacitated. I take a lot of notes, take a lot of notes, but I honestly think I was like that before I ever smoked weed.
[:[01:02:10] I just need to be, uh, it's almost like my body needs to do something while my brain is thinking now. And I've learned that that is driving. I really, really liked to do. And it's something that gives my body something to do. And also, I think it also affects the reward system because you're moving in a forward direction.
[:[01:02:34] Cody Chalker: Like when I'm walking with somebody, I tend to have like more fluent or station to
[:[01:02:43] Cody Chalker: you know, triggering off thoughts a lot better. And yeah. All right. When I sit around for too long or like, I just start get gummed up, like, I'm just kind of like, what was that?
[:[01:03:15] So, and so like if you were getting ready to go for a walk, your brain is going to start telling the body like, all right, start charging up the muscles, get them oxygenated. We're going to go for a walk. And so all those neurotransmitters, like dopamine that will regulate movement start getting released into the synapse and you start feeling better.
[:[01:03:47] Cody Chalker: Yeah. I kind of figured that out just by eating healthier and doing all that kind of stuff. Like the days you don't want to exercise and you just get up and go exercise.
[:[01:04:11] Jeff Nesbitt: You know, one of the most valuable things you can have
[:[01:04:18] And like, I think you'd just have better life overall. You know, it's just trying to practice self discipline.
[:[01:04:38] Yeah. I don't care what society tells you. Wait
[:[01:04:42] Jeff Nesbitt: much. Can't really either anymore, man. Um, I've known since I find me eventually though. Yeah, but not the way you want. You still want a bigger frame. You have a bigger belly. Your face will still look the same. Your legs will somehow get skinnier.
[:[01:05:01] Cody Chalker: No, no. I try to exercise a lot now I eat very healthy. So that's except for when I came on this road
[:[01:05:18] Yup. Oh yeah. That's my favorite five guys just play so good. Yeah. I want to open one. I think that, , they should put one in Warrenton, Oregon. Yeah, right over there by the Costco. All right. And that little area people would love it. Somebody's going to steal my idea and I fucking hope so. Yeah. Because I would eat there all the time.
[:[01:05:46] Cody Chalker: be an investment.
[:[01:05:50] Cody Chalker: yeah. I thought about that.
[:[01:05:57] Jeff Nesbitt: of work at first thinking about this Papa [01:06:00] Murphy's yeah. So number one, pizza chain in America. Yeah. They're not a restaurant. They're a pizza store. They don't have ovens in the restaurants. Yeah. There are expensive.
[:[01:06:32] Yeah. That's a good idea. It's what I've wanted to do for a long time. Just because it seems like such a no brainer in long beach. I mean, fuck during the winter, when there's not as many tourists families would eat there. Yeah. The only issue with that is I don't want to eat Papa Murphy's all the time.
[:[01:06:53] Cody Chalker: guys is delicious, man. God damn. Can't go wrong with five guys. Get the shakes, the peanut, the fries that are, oh
[:[01:07:11] Cody Chalker: Yeah. There was a there's some good food out in Utah. That's pretty
[:[01:07:17] Cody Chalker: No. Well, yeah, there's different
[:[01:07:22] Cody Chalker: Oh, they got Culver's Culver's is all right. It's like a restaurant. Yeah, it's a chain.
[:[01:07:37] Jeff Nesbitt: but that's like an unfinished cheese, right?
[:[01:07:45] Jeff Nesbitt: Have you ever had cheese curds that aren't aren't deep fried.
[:[01:08:01] Cody Chalker: Yeah. I never actually eat them that like you get them from the big packages in the gas stations or whatever.
[:[01:08:11] Cody Chalker: deep fried, like yeah. That's how I've always thought of cheese curds. But those aren't, those are deep
[:[01:08:24] It's just weird. I'm I'm confused by them. Nah, I remember when I was a kid, people call them squeaky cheese, squeaky cheese. Yeah. Cause they make, they squeak like rubber when you're oh
[:[01:08:44] Jeff Nesbitt: holy God.
[:[01:08:55] Cody Chalker: Yeah. Yeah. They, he hates
[:[01:09:06] Cody Chalker: No. I'm very weirded out about the whole days thing. Wait, who's coming up with all these days because they're giants somewhere like national
[:[01:09:21] Cody Chalker: Who's making all these damn choices. You know, anybody, if I want to have my own damn day, you know, I'll just tell you how you up every morning. I'll decide what my day is. Guys. It's national
[:[01:09:38] This is a national everything day. The Alexa,
[:[01:10:05] Cody Chalker: very talkative.
[:[01:10:08] Jeff Nesbitt: shut up. Sorry. I'm having internet. It looks like an echo device. So try of God,
[:[01:10:21] Jeff Nesbitt: band. Wait 30 seconds. I'm going to kill it once. No more. Okay. Back to business. Have
[:[01:10:32] Jeff Nesbitt: Yes, I have. It's like, who's coming up with this stuff. Yeah, I have. And I always think it's like, somebody at home on Facebook.
[:[01:10:45] Cody Chalker: So it's like one
[:[01:11:00] December 18th, December
[:[01:11:03] Jeff Nesbitt: Wow. It's a month before your birthday, would you like a five hour? Um, all
[:[01:11:19] Jeff Nesbitt: Yummy. Have you
[:[01:11:23] Jeff Nesbitt: to ask me? Huh? I was going to ask you so we'll get to that in a second, but real quick, this twins days festival, uh, it's in Twinsburg, Ohio. Yeah. I highly recommend you go, if you want to go with you in Twinsburg, Ohio, huh?
[:[01:11:55] Cody Chalker: is a greedy best. He used to call me greedy
[:[01:11:59] [01:12:00] Annual twins days festival since 1976 and the festival boasts a volleyball tournament. Doubles of course Twingo, which is bingo for twinks, a talent show and the double-take parade, the
[:[01:12:20] Jeff Nesbitt: all those twins.
[:[01:12:26] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh really? I think it sounds like fun. Remember when in the nineties, when everyone was like sexualizing twins and it was like that Budweiser song and twins. Oh, yeah. Is kind of gross. That's incest. You ever think about doing a threesome with your brother? No, not
[:[01:12:48] Jeff Nesbitt: Exactly.
[:[01:13:08] I'm sorry, man. That's where the rest of it or I'm sorry. Okay. So it's a no on Twinsburg, Ohio twins days festival, you think you're better than 77,000 pairs of twins? I've been down to check it out,
[:[01:13:25] Jeff Nesbitt: sun. They should give a motorcycle.
[:[01:13:44] It's obvious. Yeah. Um, did you know that mothers of twins live longer than mothers who don't have twins? No. I didn't know that. Sorry, Greg. I do know later was in six study of journal of reproductive medicine said that taller women are more [01:14:00] likely to have twins and it could be linked to a protein called insulin, like growth factor, which may stimulate the ovaries.
[:[01:14:19] Cody Chalker: skipped generation. Now
[:[01:14:28] Like she's probably brimming with insulin, like growth. I
[:[01:14:36] Jeff Nesbitt: And doubt, I don't know what their deal is, but I do know that they're engaged. And I do know that handsome Hannah has a ton of insulin, like growth factor because she's tall.
[:[01:14:48] Cody Chalker: to the older they get to like more than their mid thirties, it started, they started
[:[01:14:54] Cody Chalker: likely to have twins, their chance of having not more than likely, but the chances of having [01:15:00] twins go up.
[:[01:15:11] Yeah. And the lady's like, yeah, I gave you an extra few. She throws an extra few in the bag. She's like, we're on, we're going to be closing soon. They're going to go bad. These are going to get wasted. I'll throw it a double. I'll give you a double same deal with menstruation. Closing up, shop, throw two in the bag.
[:[01:15:30] Cody Chalker: No, that sounds like a, that sounds like a legitimate explanation. Like I'm not, I'm not a scientist, so I couldn't really tell you for sure.
[:[01:16:17] Could you, could you extrapolate on that a little bit? Oh, it was just kind of pharmacodynamics pharmacokinetics just in general.
[:[01:16:30] Jeff Nesbitt: correct. Yeah. It's making you feel good, right? Yeah. That's all I really care about. What is it, how does it work and what does it do to you?
[:[01:17:11] And like,
[:[01:17:15] Cody Chalker: two in the morning and then two
[:[01:17:21] Cody Chalker: the edge off. It does at first, like for the first couple of days you take it, it kind of experience like a sleepy type field. But once you take it for a couple of days, you it's, it just takes off that.
[:[01:17:55] Jeff Nesbitt: bit.
[:[01:18:02] Cody Chalker: anxiety. Oh yeah. Yeah. I get very irritable.
[:[01:18:13] Cody Chalker: Like a lot of how you're feeling is,
[:[01:18:20] I know that feeling. And so this stuff helps.
[:[01:18:37] Jeff Nesbitt: have you ever tried crate them or CRA Tom. Uh, it, that the way you're describing this stuff is it sounds kind of a similar effect, but the it's, it's pretty good stuff.
[:[01:19:01] Cody Chalker: of it's I guess it's good for working out. I haven't quite noticed the difference yet, but, uh, like I guess it helps your body absorb oxygen better.
[:[01:19:24] Jeff Nesbitt: out. So I have to check that out. I like herbal remedies.
[:[01:19:32] Cody Chalker: It definitely did. Well, I'm always skeptical about any of that. Like anything that kind of affects you in a way that is like any kind of physical or psychological effect. Like I always think, Hey, this might not be good eventually, you know,
[:[01:19:49] Cody Chalker: Yeah. So like now I'll go to a doctor about anxiety and they'll try and get. You know, anti-anxiety meds or anti-depressants. And I'm just [01:20:00] saying, I don't want no
[:[01:20:11] And for making sure that you're not leaving yourself vulnerable and there are lots of uses for it. There's a reason we have it. So I don't want to wipe it out completely, which is what those benzos do. Oh bet. It was just
[:[01:20:30] I'm taking them with
[:[01:20:38] Cody Chalker: Yeah. They're not fun
[:[01:20:46] Cody Chalker: All your moods. Like yeah.
[:[01:20:49] Jeff Nesbitt: flat-lining when I was talking about that the other day I have, I've struggled with opiates It's cause , they up your game, they make you feel better. Like they don't just take away negative, , feelings and [01:21:00] emotions, but they add positive ones.
[:[01:21:03] Cody Chalker: The endorphin feeling that you get
[:[01:21:22] Don't know. Yeah. Well, and some people really need to be clicked back down,
[:[01:21:33] Jeff Nesbitt: that. Oh yeah. Like Jordan Peterson. Yeah. Like, well, I think it has a lot to do with your physiological baseline where you begin, where your body kind of comes to rest , like on the range of neuroticism, some people are high on that range, so they need assistance to get back to a workable level, like in the middle. And some people are really low on that range and they need something to up their game and make them [01:22:00] like, that's probably why I'm way more preferential to stimulants.
[:[01:22:27] I do. I really like regularly, , because I want just for tolerance management. Yeah. So I keep my tolerance manageable. , but it's actually very hard. I get bad headaches. I get sick and I feel like. Everybody hates me and everything I've done is stupid.
[:[01:22:47] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. It fucks with my mental health.
[:[01:23:17] And I'm just like what? What's wrong? Where, where is my personality? I was like, oh shit. I just haven't had any coffee.
[:[01:23:40] Yeah. You know, try not to eat too much sugar, too much, you know, carbs or stuff at beginning of the day. And just kind of, I do an intermittent fast and quite often me
[:[01:23:54] Cody Chalker: accident. But ultimately I think it's, it's been good for me, you know? Yeah. [01:24:00] Like not eating crappy foods in the morning has definitely been very beneficial, so
[:[01:24:06] There's so much.
[:[01:24:37] Yeah. Take takes energy. Attia makes you, you know, mind kind of cloudy and foggy and just kind of like, yeah. Like even now, like since I've been on this road trip, I haven't been eating good at all. And I got realized I'm like, oh man. Or like, I've been smoking a lot more, you know, weed. Cause I'm out here in legal states when in Rome and [01:25:00] I'm on vacation, I'm not going to work.
[:[01:25:09] Jeff Nesbitt: but yeah.
[:[01:25:21] Yeah. The way you feel, this is where the
[:[01:25:45] And so what you're eating is either unhealthy because it's quick. So it's probably unhealthy or it's not that good because it's healthy food that you didn't take time to prepare correctly. Exactly. And that's the hardest it's like trying to eat a, uh, you know, [01:26:00] like a really lean steak that you didn't cook very well or like it's chewy and you're just like, fuck, this is not delicious or whatever it is, vegetables that you didn't do.
[:[01:26:12] Cody Chalker: Oh yeah, exactly. Definitely. It's not easy. Like I live by myself, you know, cook for myself all the time and I keep it pretty basic. And it's like the healthy foods I eat. Aren't, you know, very good. Like, I'd be honest with you. I'd much rather have five guys, you know, and I've been able to maintain it just off the thought of like, how's it gonna make me feel rather than how it tastes like?
[:[01:26:48] Jeff Nesbitt: you know, I remember when we were living in Bellingham the times when. Go spend my, my student loan money on groceries.
[:[01:27:16] Uh, so I probably believe we probably should have been eaten more top ramen people, people always bitched about eating top ramen and college. I was like, fuck that I was eating ground beef steaks and I was eating meat pro heavy protein, massive amounts of food. It was like, oh, you guys were buying top ramen.
[:[01:27:42] Cody Chalker: realized that now after I,
[:[01:27:48] Cody Chalker: with our whole generation. Like,
[:[01:27:55] Cody Chalker: like that,
[:[01:27:57] Cody Chalker: but also how to like, you know, manipulate the [01:28:00] system.
[:[01:28:14] Jeff Nesbitt: stuff. But so the shame that comes along with it, if you fail, like if somebody who was, it comes from a poor community.
[:[01:28:41] Whereas like, uh, if a stockbroker it's like, yeah, I lost 40 grand. Um, nobody really thinks much of it. They're just like, ah, it's part of it comes with the territory. That's what you do. You're a money guy. And I'm like, well, it's
[:[01:29:01] Jeff Nesbitt: if you're on
[:[01:29:02] Yeah. Especially if you're on a fixed income, life's difficult, man. It's hard to you and come up with all the solutions to make everybody feel like, like, yeah, it's fair or whatever, you know, it wants to be,
[:[01:29:24] Cody Chalker: education.
[:[01:29:27] Jeff Nesbitt: people. When did you learn what an IRA was? Yeah. Like recently, right? Yeah. Well, no one talked about money in school. Like, uh, I didn't know about that until I was like, I was well into my professional life and that's embarrassing a little bit. There's a lot of things I should have known.
[:[01:30:12] Yeah. It's a completely different way of thinking. Are you
[:[01:30:28] Jeff Nesbitt: Automatic
[:[01:30:33] Yeah. Being
[:[01:30:52] And you're at risk of losing your ass or the stop loss in place. You say like, I have this position. If the price goes below [01:31:00] this number, I want an automatic sell to occur to where I keep my money, which is
[:[01:31:16] So I'd just do automated. Yeah. Crap, and then let it do what, let it do its thing. But my thing is, it's like, it'd be nice to be able to just take the risks, to leverage debt more and to get more of like a cash flow, rather than a portfolio
[:[01:31:36] Cody Chalker: passive income, like, and it doesn't take, like, there's a lot of people out there that are no smarter than me or you that are doing that and making a lot of money, you know, it's get
[:[01:31:47] It's like,
[:[01:31:50] Jeff Nesbitt: why is a pretty high level of risk tolerance? Yeah. , especially if you're in crypto, because that's so much, so much risk taken on just by, by trying to anticipate one [01:32:00] of those massive pumps. But if you hit one boy, you get a hundred X, a hundred X return on your investment.
[:[01:32:23] Jeff Nesbitt: but it's similar. It's a similar feelings similar.
[:[01:32:43] Cody Chalker: the only chances is I'm getting really drunk, probably giving up all my money.
[:[01:32:49] Jeff Nesbitt: you go into hi, I got attitude. That's probably okay. It's like, think of it as this is money. I'm spending on fun. It's not money that I'm investing on a possible payoff.
[:[01:33:12] And then I'm like, okay, you're excited. Cause that's all you spent and yeah. And you go look at your bank account. Here you go. Shit. I pulled out the thousand dollars out about that. That's not good at all with the
[:[01:33:32] But you know what I mean, though? Like there's research you can do in investing that you can't do in gambling, gambling is, is designed to create
[:[01:33:44] Jeff Nesbitt: yeah. I mean, it's, it's built in. Yeah. I
[:[01:33:52] Some of those, you know, like Bitcoin and Ethereum, Mike, they've done nothing but increase like what hundred [01:34:00] to 300% a year. Crazy. I mean, they maybe go up and down like crazy, but in entirety of
[:[01:34:13] Cody Chalker: the market action.
[:[01:34:18] Jeff Nesbitt: it up now. Yeah. Things have changed
[:[01:34:25] Jeff Nesbitt: something it's been about a year now since institutional interest has really risen. People are starting like visa.
[:[01:34:39] Cody Chalker: Yeah. It's insane. That's insane.
[:[01:35:07] , or what are
[:[01:35:10] Jeff Nesbitt: for non fungible. Token. Ethereum NFTs are the most popular right now than
[:[01:35:17] Jeff Nesbitt: of the ad, the first that
[:[01:35:22] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah.
[:[01:35:31] Cody Chalker: It seemed more to me, more like a. Useful in an economic, that's why it's blown up. That's why I've put like a lot more money in the Ethereum over the years is just cause I figured it had more of a utility to it then.
[:[01:35:53] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah, for sure. And Ethereum, I really don't see the staying potential for Ethereum. [01:36:00] The network is not very good at processing transactions. Yeah. It's very, it's bogged down really easily, which makes the gas fees really high.
[:[01:36:31] I think it's Miriam is, is going to talk about, yeah, I think it'll eventually top out and, and something else will kind of pass it and I hope it's polka.polka.is like a integrating sharding system. I think, where it connects a bunch of different blockchains together and creates interoperability. And so it will, it will like let things work between Ethereum and Cardinal or whatever Bitcoin and anything else or whatever [01:37:00] else.
[:[01:37:03] It's still got a lot of growth potential because it hasn't really popped yet. Hasn't had that major blow up. But speaking of blown up, um, you got a P uh, we're almost at two hours. Yeah.
[:[01:37:26] Have you been thinking about buying a new truck? Ah, I
[:[01:37:35] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh yeah. I would just start right back up again. And really that's a Toyota. You could drive it for probably a long time. What year is it? Uh,
[:[01:37:48] Jeff Nesbitt: Okay. Yeah. So it's six years old.
[:[01:38:03] Cody Chalker: I don't know why. I think that's just kind of what it's always been. It's weird. It was kind of weird. I bought it back in 2015, so it was a year old, but it was, uh, it was used as like a dealership trucks.
[:[01:38:27] Jeff Nesbitt: Could you scoot a little bit closer?
[:[01:38:41] They don't get the, uh,
[:[01:39:05] Okay. Um, probably my fault. My daughter was playing around in there and had turned the four wheel drive. , or put it on automatic mode to where it's usually in two-wheel, but then every once in a while, like I didn't realize it was on there. And so I'd be like driving up the bridge on the really steep section.
[:[01:39:36] Cody Chalker: I bet I think I've put my well, I've forgotten that I've had my truck and four wheel
[:[01:39:44] You ever ruined a parking brake like that too? Parking brake on just drive for weeks?
[:[01:39:53] Jeff Nesbitt: brake on yeah. Or drive a car without oil in it. There's so many ways to fuck up a car that are just like, oh my God, I'm an idiot.[01:40:00]
[:[01:40:09] But even then sometimes I get quite a ways before I realize what is that beeping? I'm like, shit.
[:[01:40:22] Cody Chalker: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. The one that supposed to have like Bulletproof glass or whatever.
[:[01:40:33] It's kind of weird looking.
[:[01:40:36] one.
[:[01:40:54] Oh, you're good.
[:[01:41:00] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. Sorry about that.
[:[01:41:05] Jeff Nesbitt: thinking going electric
[:[01:41:08] Jeff Nesbitt: it might be time,
[:[01:41:11] Jeff Nesbitt: the change is coming
[:[01:41:13] incentive for it. I think
[:[01:41:14] Cody Chalker: I
[:[01:41:16] Jeff Nesbitt: Get
[:[01:41:17] Cody Chalker: Do like, uh, federal rebates for
[:[01:41:21] Jeff Nesbitt: Ohhh Colton was, huh
[:[01:41:22] Jeff Nesbitt: Probably get you to buy a Cadet heater while he's at it
[:[01:41:27] Jeff Nesbitt: The guy loves cadet heaters He's just a shill for big electricity. Yeah. Oh, you have a wood stove in your house. Nah, get an electric heater. Oh, you want a new truck? One that burns delicious fossil fuel. Nah, get an electric truck. I bet. you anything Yeah. What a shill
[:[01:41:48] Jeff Nesbitt: Anyway, sorry about that. I'm just, I get so passionate when it comes to Colton manipulating people and taking their money.
[:[01:41:55] Jeff Nesbitt: Just for the big electricity
[:[01:41:58] Jeff Nesbitt: if anybody [01:42:00] is the evil twin, it's him. Yeah. You know of the two
[:[01:42:06] Jeff Nesbitt: I'd vote for him.
[:[01:42:08] Jeff Nesbitt: he sold me a great cadet heater.
[:[01:42:11] Yeah. Is it pretty, it worked pretty good
[:[01:42:17] That's good. Yeah. It's it's pretty good. Yeah. You can't go wrong. Oh yeah. Yeah. You know,
[:[01:42:28] Jeff Nesbitt: I want to hear what I don't go on propane. Oh yeah. Hank Hill. Yeah. I I think King of the Hillis one of the, uh, it's the pinnacle of fine art, eh, king of the hill is the king of, of, uh, creative endeavors.
[:[01:42:45] Cody Chalker: Beautiful Hank hill. Well,
[:[01:43:04] Dale Gribble. Uh, is that, is that the writer for it or no? Dale gribbles the guy with glasses and a hat. He always, oh yeah. Dale paranoid of the government. Yeah, the characters were like people, you know, in real life, I liked that, but it was a cartoon, I don't know, coming from the Simpsons, which was like my very favorite show when I was a kid growing up, basically as long as I can remember, I was, I loved the Simpsons because even before I had watched the Simpsons, it was like that off limits thing.
[:[01:43:51] Cody Chalker: watch it.
[:[01:43:59] Jeff Nesbitt: watched, what [01:44:00] did they watch?
[:[01:44:09] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh yeah. You were an ABC family. You were, you were a TGI F family. Yeah, that's right. See, we were Fox. We were Fox family.
[:[01:44:27] Cody Chalker: family guy. Um, not
[:[01:44:36] Great. Not
[:[01:44:40] Jeff Nesbitt: come to central cable. I didn't have it, but you guys had cable. Yeah, we did. But we're satellite, right? We used to have, you know yeah. You had all the best TV. Uh, yeah. I remember hearing, hearing the whispers about what people, what was going on at your house, [01:45:00] those late nights.
[:[01:45:22] Cody Chalker: just get every channel on direct TV.
[:[01:45:28] You can find them. Yeah. Not, not today. Now talk kids today. Have it easy. They just got hard. It wasn't find a boob looking for just, just a titty in life.. Yeah. It was hard. It was a whole thing you had to, I mean like you had to make an, make it a point in your life to go find one. They aren't just handing them out like today,
[:[01:45:54] Nope. Not at all. Used to find it like. And, [01:46:00] uh, I remember our buddy Matt and down in Surfside, there is his dad. Like it had a bunch of it stashed away in the corner of the house there. So we found all his porn, all her magazines,
[:[01:46:17] Cody Chalker: Yeah, well, yeah, we were all kids, you know, putting her on in the house and that would come across old box if I can pour it.
[:[01:46:27] Jeff Nesbitt: experience for kids. I mean, you're going to look. Yeah. I mean, nine times out of 10, you're going to look, you get that one kid every once in a while, who won't probably he's afraid who knows, but he's not looking, but everyone else does. And they don't trust that kid. They don't invite him next time.
[:[01:46:53] Cody Chalker: That's good observation, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[:[01:47:17] we went back and it was like, we just went down to grab it and I picked it up and. Like fell apart in my hands and it was kind of a windy day. So then I'm like, we're both like scrambling to pick up these pornography pages that are scattered around this parking lot. And we're like shoving them in our coat and our inside our jackets.
[:[01:48:04] And in this, it was like something I had never seen before. so after we had looked over this thing, we both were just like, just shrouded in shame. You know, that feeling of just like that, that shouldn't have done that. We're like a little kid. And, uh, I remember we had Jake hurl it into like deep into the forest, like in a very like symbolic way, like throw it like, cause he had the arm.
[:[01:48:57] Uh, so that's my first experience [01:49:00] with a naked ladies on a page or naked people period. There was, there was Dixon. That one, it was pretty weird. A couple of kids. What was your first experience seeing, seeing naked bodies on a page or was it on a computer screen? Like the kids today?
[:[01:49:21] Uh, yeah, I'd say probably on a computer page. I got shares of all or some shit like that. It's a download site where you download music and stuff like that. I remember you'd always type in like, what's this celebrities, you know, Brittany Spears,
[:[01:49:45] Yeah.
[:[01:49:48] Jeff Nesbitt: just remembered a thing.
[:[01:49:57] Jeff Nesbitt: York. I had Photoshop to like different colors. [01:50:00] Yeah. Yeah. The lighting complete different or she's like making a, a clearly like a paparazzi smile face.
[:[01:50:09] Cody Chalker: You spend like an hour and a half way and forth to download and
[:[01:50:27] If you had to do a picture exchange on a blockchain like that, it would be, it would take lifetimes because, um, imagine just like how many more, because you'd have to do it on each machine at the same time. I think that's one of the things that made it hard to think about. I mean, I'm sorry. You probably don't want to, you still want to talk about porn?
[:[01:50:52] Cody Chalker: no, I'm
[:[01:51:02] Yeah. What do you wanna talk about Cody? You're about to head back to Utah. You got any parting words for these lovely listeners and parting words. Yeah. You're, you're bad to head back out of our lives for a little short time.
[:[01:51:21] Jeff Nesbitt: say you come back from a wedding, so you won't be gone very long.
[:[01:51:24] Cody Chalker: back in. Yeah. Whenever the wedding is for
[:[01:51:32] Cody Chalker: sure. I'm not sure yet, but uh, yeah, whenever that is that's when I'm coming back. Right on man. It's been, it's definitely been a few years since I've been here, you know, a lot last time, it feels like
[:[01:51:48] Has it two, three years compared to
[:[01:52:03] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. Yeah. So it was a lot of Washington and Oregon. Yeah. I think I
[:[01:52:14] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah man, if, if I didn't read the news, if I didn't have the internet or anything, I would, a lot of the time not know that the world is kind of a mess right now. No. Yeah. Out here. It's not that bad. Yeah. It's
[:[01:52:32] It's been,
[:[01:52:34] Cody Chalker: yeah. It's definitely been smoky.
[:[01:52:54] Cody Chalker: Yeah. It seems like it just felt pretty dry and pretty warm out here since I've been here.
[:[01:53:09] Jeff Nesbitt: All right, man. We're talking about the weather. Yeah, we are. Let's get the fuck out of here. Um, got anything else you want to cover or we done? Uh,
[:[01:53:22] Jeff Nesbitt: thank you for coming.
[:[01:53:29] Cody Chalker: Yeah, it was good to see you,
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