Talk That Bay Slang We Doin' That Bay Thang with Jeb Sheldon

Ep. 37 Jeb Sheldon

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[00:02:06] All of it is in the show notes. I want to tell you a little bit about Willapa bay near and dear to my heart. That's where I grew up. Pacific county. Washington is basically the land surrounding Willapa bay and you know, a big chunk of the Willapa Hills.

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[00:02:45] The long beach peninsula separates will apoB bay from the greater expanse of the Pacific ocean with over 260 square miles of water surface. Okay. Willapa bay is the second largest estuary on the United States. Pacific coast, early settlers [00:03:00] called Willapa bay Shoalwater. And this name can be found an old maps and charts of the region.

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[00:03:25] It is. Which is formed after the rise in sea level. At the end of the last ice age flooded several small river valleys, the north river, the Willapa river, and the Naselle river provide most of the fresh water input into Willapa bay. Other rivers that empty into the WIllapa bay include the bone river, which I've heard is very nice for kayaking this time of year.

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[00:04:11] Oysterville Nahcotta bay center and Tokeland are on the bay itself. The bay is entirely located within Pacific county, Washington and is home to a thriving, local oyster and seafood industry. Approximately 9% of all the oysters in the United States are grown there. That's.

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[00:04:49] Also known as Spartina alterniflora, a non-native species of grass introduced possibly to help preserve wetlands and marsh areas and possibly simply by accident as packing material [00:05:00] in the crates of oysters from the east coast, the state of Washington has been spraying an herbicide thought not to threaten other species since about 2005.

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[00:05:12] And scene. Okay, so that's Wikipedia take it or leave it. That's what Wikipedia says. So as we know, that's not always the best reference, but it's pretty good. I feel like that was pretty accurate other than the fact that it called Raymond in south bend towns when they are in fact cities.

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[00:05:53] I really, really. My guest today is chaplain at his fraternity at Washington state university, where [00:06:00] he studies agricultural technology and production management with the intention of taking over the family business and raising and selling oysters and clams in the willpower bay, alongside which he was born and raised actually, maybe not born there.

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[00:06:30] He's much larger than me, but whatever he already left, this kid knows the bay and he knows oysters. And he's a hell of a nice guy. He's a hunter and oystermen and a hell of a conversationalist. Please give it up for the surprisingly large. Jeb Sheldon.

Jeb Sheldon Interview

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[00:00:06]we went out and went to bed this morning. We'll pick in steaks and stuff and then had to go move the show file around a little bit. That

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[00:00:18] Jeb Sheldon: [00:00:18] It was gorgeous this morning. Incredible. Definitely. One of the better ones I've seen this.

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[00:00:28] Jeb Sheldon: [00:00:28] the morning where there's nothing so great.

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[00:00:37] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:00:37] yeah. Yeah. Would you say your name into that? Jeb? Perfect. All right. You're in a fraternity, right? I am how's that let's actually, let's dive right in. Tell me all the stories of the crazy shit you've had to do.

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[00:00:57] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:00:57] that for sure. That's good because there's some [00:01:00] parts of it that seemed like

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[00:01:01] Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, going into it, obviously, that's kind of what I thought. Cause that's the only experience I had through like movies and media and stuff, but yeah, no, actually a lot of like, you know, community service, like learning how to be a better person and stuff like that. That is good. Yeah. No, the community service in our like philanthropy events are awesome.

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[00:01:26] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:01:26] That's awesome. Um, okay, well let's come back to that. Put a pin in it. That's great stuff for the. Um, I'm going to periodically be adjusting these cameras. Gotcha. Um, and just for the first little bit so that I have stuff for promos. Oh, gotcha. And I promise only to use pictures that make you look ridiculous.

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[00:01:53]Jeff Nesbitt: [00:01:53] Obviously the show is not live so say whatever the fuck you want, gotcha.

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[00:02:03]Okay. I left the teapot on. Now I'm going to go get that and you can feel free to practice, say the pledge of allegiance or something. Gotcha.

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[00:02:16] Jeb Sheldon: [00:02:16] Um, kind of some anthems, some songs. Oh yeah.

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[00:02:21] Jeb Sheldon: [00:02:21] would you like to sing us one? No, I think I'm good.

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[00:02:31] Jeb Sheldon: [00:02:31] They do scrub a lot of that stuff on the internet. It's kind of impressive, but yeah, that is impressive. There's like one fraternity and all their, like everything got leaked onto Wikipedia and it was a big deal. Everybody was pissed off, but then like, there was nothing they could do, basically.

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[00:02:49]I forgot to get that camera

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[00:02:58] Jeb Sheldon: [00:02:58] Um, [00:03:00] I'm Jeb. I have grown up in the oyster industry on Willapa Bay. Uh, I've loved going outside. Where I really do, prefer to spend my time, even in the shitty months of the year, but that's pretty much it.

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[00:03:19] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:03:19] That is the best. So are you studying natural resources or something like that?

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[00:03:33] Oh, that's good. And that's better. It's the farming degree. I take a few of the environmental science classes, uh, trying to get in this wildlife ecology one, that's gonna be pretty fun, but I feel like, especially in the oyster.

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[00:03:56]Jeff Nesbitt: [00:03:56] And it's, it's pretty easy, but yeah. I think [00:04:00] the college and young adult experience in 2021 is a really interesting perspective. You guys are looking at a world that no one else has seen before because of technology and just where we have come as a species.

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[00:04:23] Jeb Sheldon: [00:04:23] Yeah. I guess that's definitely a way to look at it. It's a, yeah, really, really different.

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[00:04:42] I've never seen it over 110 . I don't think it's just generally very temperate and mild year round it's between, you know, it barely freezes and it barely gets over 90. It's just crazy. Do you see that as a sign of bad things to come? What, what, what does that do to your alarm bells?

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[00:05:12] But no, I mean, I, I still don't know what quite to think of it yet, , the thing that was shocking was just, talk with my dad, grandparents and asking them like, Well, have you guys seen this? My grandma's from moisture Ville, my parents and, my grandpa art promotion park.

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[00:05:39] Jeb Sheldon: [00:05:39] Sure. So, uh, pretty deep rooted down here, a lot of it through the shellfish industry, through the commercial fishing industries and, Uh, actually where I live right now, I live one house down for my grandparents. It used to be one big property and it was a dairy that my great, great grandparents owned, I believe.

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[00:06:16] It was just a big sand dune, but

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[00:06:35] Yeah. There's

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[00:06:52] Yeah. Just

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[00:06:56] Jeb Sheldon: [00:06:56] And some people didn't make it all the way around, but. Yeah. [00:07:00] Yeah.

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[00:07:12] Jeb Sheldon: [00:07:12] Yeah. I see the posts when I'm away from home, especially on Facebook that are like, oh, look at this guy stuck in the sand. And usually it's like someone on the approach, like, all right, they just didn't hit the cast fast enough. But yeah, I see the ones like stuck in the surf, whether it's here, Oregon, California, and I'm like, man, like that.

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[00:07:31] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:07:31] Yeah. You made a series of mistakes.

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[00:07:40] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:07:40] I think there's a good chance that some people don't even know a tide table exists really think so.

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[00:07:47] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:07:47] I just looked up one today. I use them all the time.

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[00:07:51]Jeb Sheldon: [00:07:51] I have an app, not in love with that at all, but, uh, which one? Um, I think it was magic seaweed is what I was doing. Okay.

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[00:08:06] Yeah. It's

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[00:08:09] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:08:09] like that. And it just tells you and you can look ahead and, um, it also gives you weather stuff and yeah. It's oh yeah. It's up here. It tells you the moon.

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[00:08:24] I have like four in my truck, just in my room, hung up on my door, just wherever about, and then I need to see, well, I need to go do this today. Uh, can I do it look at the tide book and it's either a yes or no.

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[00:08:46] For the camera, because then it, then it gives me like, pretend I just said something terrible. Like, like you're just like, ah, ah, like I've offended you to your core. Those are great. And things like that. And then I throw them in those [00:09:00] little montages where, you know, it looks like I say interesting shit. , okay.

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[00:09:17] Jeb Sheldon: [00:09:17] So, uh, we sell bulk Pacific oysters. That's really kind of intriguing. They really are. We sell. Big oysters with lots of meat in them. And they all get shucked in a sold in like gallons or jugs or whatever, but yeah, that's kind of our gig. Um, something we've done for a long time, we're pretty strictly bottom culture oysters.

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[00:09:52] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:09:52] off. But, and what's the pros and cons of bottom versus off

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[00:10:01] Nice shape single oysters. That's the should go. Coups, I think is what the Taylor brand is. And those are my favorite. Yeah. And those are all in the flip bags. So they, that tide action when they're floating up and down breaks the bill off just a little bit. So they form a really smooth, deep cup.

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[00:10:23] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:10:23] shell will look a little different on the outside, right? Yeah.

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[00:10:31] They're not going to have a big, gnarly shell with a yeah. But yeah, no, the shells are bizarre.

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[00:10:42]Jeb Sheldon: [00:10:42] that's a great question. They kind of build it little by little. So when they're like the size of a grain of sand is where they all start and then they go set.

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[00:11:07] That's pretty much it, they look for something solid that they can grow up and survive on. And then they get big enough to survive on their own and kind of break off.

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[00:11:19] Jeb Sheldon: [00:11:19] So pretty sedentary. The only thing that really moves me around is like tidal action.

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[00:11:40] They just,

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[00:11:42] Jeb Sheldon: [00:11:42] Yeah. I mean, they're laying in the slew 300 yards away or they're blown out into the channel. That kind of comes with like the working knowledge and history of what works and what doesn't. And I mean, the bait changes every day, the tides changed the wave action changes.

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[00:12:10] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:12:10] Have you ever walked all the way out there?

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[00:12:14] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:12:14] it's pretty neat spot. Yeah, I love it up there.

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[00:12:20] Jeb Sheldon: [00:12:20] There's a ton of it uptown man.

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[00:12:25] Yeah. They gave us those sweet axes. Oh yeah. It's like a little bracket that holds a blade.

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[00:12:34] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:12:34] never, yeah. Really seeing people use them very much, but they had a bunch of them at the refuge and they worked so good for chopping like I loved it. It was a great workout. Just pack a big lunch, spend an hour hiking out there cause you can't drive through the snowy plover reserve. So we parked just at the Northern limit of vehicles and then either. ferried people back and forth to the patches on a four Wheeler, or eventually [00:13:00] we, they stopped letting us do that.

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[00:13:21] Oh really? Nick and Dustin Manley and Jody Christie. It was like a group of very athletic people. Shot a crew going up there. Yeah. It was fun at my brother. And just a couple of years there, there was just a huge list. Lots more people I didn't say. But, yeah, just really fun. And then, so you worked for an hour, sit down, eat your lunch for an hour.

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[00:13:50] Jeb Sheldon: [00:13:50] pretty solid. Yeah. That's pretty nice.

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[00:14:03]Jeb Sheldon: [00:14:03] I mean, through everything you do, I feel like there's a little more sense of responsibility. , like say you're picking oysters and each one of those tubs, if we're picking transplant loads, which is moving seed to a harvest bed so they can grow up. If we're picking harvest loads and that tub supposed to be at 25 bushels and youth are on 24, they're losing money.

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[00:14:44] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:14:44] Yeah. When you're working with such big systems, that's probably a lot of planning, huh?

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[00:15:06] So we have nothing to sell for the next three years. That's that can't happen. Or else he closed the door. You can't miss a step. No, you gotta, you got to stay pretty on top of it. Cause uh, when you run out of product to sell you're you're in a world of hurt, that's not fun. Has that ever happened?

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[00:15:28] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:15:28] what's the year to year variation, like, is there a very big difference in yield, like, uh, on a, an El Nino year or something like that?

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[00:15:49] Depends if you're handpicking them, if you're dredging them, which is just, you know, going over with a boat and using dredge bags and pulling them up. But, uh, it depends on the bed a [00:16:00] lot. Cause some beds make bigger fatter, nicer oysters and some beds exactly. And you know, there's a million different things that are influencing it and you'll probably be able to figure out a couple in your whole lifetime, but yeah, I'd definitely say it's more of the area kind of bed.

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[00:16:34] and within probably two years, I had every inch of that bay memorized.

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[00:16:58] It

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[00:17:21] Pretty neat to be involved with anything out in the bay. Honestly.

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[00:17:50] Who's So,

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[00:18:02] If the baby comes unhealthy, you don't make money and you don't have a business. , I've always really considered myself a steward. I've seen the things that my, my grandpa especially has fought for through the Spartina program, through everything like that. , going out with him as a little kid and spraying spartina like it's, I mean, the effort and time and money on equipment and just. Constant commitment to keeping it clean out there. Always really keeping the health of the bay in mind is pretty inspiring. But, uh, no, it definitely, you gotta be a steward to work out there. I think everybody does.

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[00:18:44] I know your dad a little bit he's always advocating for a clean, healthy bay. it's good because not everybody understands the complexity.

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[00:19:04] I mean, they are there every day on their hands and knees in the mud. They see everything that changes out there. They see possible issues. They see issues that have gone way too far. I mean, uh, the green crab, for example, I had never seen one of my entire life working out there. I went out picking one day last summer and we pulled four off of one bed.

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[00:19:47] And then, I mean, a few months later it came pretty big issue and it's still a big issue. It's I think it's going to become bigger,

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[00:20:19] Right. Without a question. Yeah.

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[00:20:24] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:20:24] Yeah. That's exactly what it's not even, we're not even talking to honey crisps to pink ladies. No, it's a it's apples to motherfucking oranges. Yeah. I

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[00:20:37] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:20:37] exactly.

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[00:20:42] Jeb Sheldon: [00:20:42] Yeah. Yeah. Free and clear.

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[00:20:50] Jeb Sheldon: [00:20:50] honestly.

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[00:20:56] Jeb Sheldon: [00:20:56] Yeah. So we have, uh, a chef that lives in the house. No shit. [00:21:00] She's we actually got a super good one this year. The, the last one, like really good, awesome lady cooked us some good stuff. Um, oh, wait, I'm sorry. Not lives. It cooks in the house cooks.

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[00:21:15] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:21:15] she's topless all the time. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Fraternities have changed guys. Hey, really?

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[00:21:43] Please let me cook for Allison. She would cook us the best stuff of all time. it was breakfast every Friday for lunch because she said it's , a cure for thirsty Thursday was her term. But no, she, she could have just really good stuff. I actually took a [00:22:00] feel free to get

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[00:22:03] Jeb Sheldon: [00:22:03] I think like 40 pounds of steamer clams over there and some oysters and she cooked them all up for us, like is white wine. She

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[00:22:15] Jeb Sheldon: [00:22:15] Uh, just how I told her was some water and some beer in there and it was great.

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[00:22:24] Jeb Sheldon: [00:22:24] I really don't. We've got a lot of

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[00:22:28] Jeb Sheldon: [00:22:28] I've always just kept her simple and I mean, it's not mine, I'm taking it from my parents, but it's, you know, some water, a beer or two over there and a stick of butter and some garlic and her golden it's really good.

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[00:22:44] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:22:44] That's probably my favorite actually. I'm I don't know. I'm liking oysters a lot more than I used to, but Manila, clams have always been my favorite of the seafood. They were the one I liked very first, other than like Dungeness crab. Yeah. The king of the best crap of all [00:23:00] time.

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[00:23:04] Jeb Sheldon: [00:23:04] saw it is way better than king

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[00:23:14] Jeb Sheldon: [00:23:14] Like you're, I don't think you're going to be too impressed when you've had dungeon as for your whole life, but yeah, it's so

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[00:23:19] King crab is it's like 40 bucks for a couple of legs. Yeah. But yeah. You a big food guy?

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[00:23:34]Jeff Nesbitt: [00:23:34] So you're a hunter then I assume. Oh yeah. We want to talk about hunting a little bit. Sure.

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[00:23:41] Jeb Sheldon: [00:23:41] Um, I've been going out since I was, let's see, probably six or seven. Wow. Just in a. Grabbing onto my dad. Like, please let me go hunting today. I want to go out there. It's just something I've always been really [00:24:00] driven to do. But, uh, I think I got my first animal when I was about 12 or 13, somewhere in there and

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[00:24:11] Jeb Sheldon: [00:24:11] actually was I packing around all the time, man.

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[00:24:24] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:24:24] Yeah, no. How old were you when you got your first pocket knife?

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[00:24:37] I was like cutting a buoy in half or something dumb because I was a kid with a knife

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[00:24:49] Jeb Sheldon: [00:24:49] Yeah, exactly. You're like, I, I got trusted to have this.

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[00:24:58] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:24:58] I got mine taken away because [00:25:00] I threatened to stab my sister. Oh, wow. Um, she was going to tell on me for misusing the knife. God, I was , carving something in a tree I believe and into an older tree.

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[00:25:10] Jeb Sheldon: [00:25:10] perfect use intended

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[00:25:26] It was really cool. , but needless to say, I got to taken away and I didn't get it back actually ever, but I got a new knife like a couple months later. I got an old timer. Oh yeah. The classic that's really is an old man knife too.

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[00:25:43]Jeff Nesbitt: [00:25:43] What kind of knife , did you have, what was your favorite knife growing up?

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[00:25:51] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:25:51] Did you ever use the two smaller blades?

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[00:26:00] You're smaller. So

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[00:26:07] Jeb Sheldon: [00:26:07] unless you need something like really sharp, like.

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[00:26:17] Jeb Sheldon: [00:26:17] Yeah. No, but, uh,

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[00:26:25] Yeah. It was just something I've always really liked. I love tools and a knife as a tool that you can do a lot of shit with and it wasn't creepy and it wasn't weird, like people are saying and thinking to themselves right now, but it was, it was dope. I loved my knife collection and it was a bunch of old shitty knives.

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[00:26:58] And it was like a go-to gift. Oh, it's birthday. [00:27:00] Gives you another night?

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[00:27:10] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:27:10] Yeah.

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[00:27:15] Jeb Sheldon: [00:27:15] So, uh, I mean started, like, I don't think crazy young, but, uh, I was definitely younger and I just loved everything about it. I loved going out there with my family. I loved, uh, watching something go from standing there to on the ground, us all working to get it feel dressed out.

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[00:27:59] Like you [00:28:00] started as a little kid and you're kind of like cleaning up stuff or you're grabbing this for this guy and doing a lot of watching, a lot of watching and then you get older and the kind of entry position was the chef position. So they'd give you like a little slice of backstrap or something.

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[00:28:31] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:28:31] he gets a nice clean

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[00:28:33] Yeah, yeah. Wrapped up in a bag and handed to you. But yeah. Nice. No, but that's a

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[00:28:45] Jeb Sheldon: [00:28:45] Yeah.

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[00:28:52] That's a really like a primal primal thing. It's awesome.

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[00:29:01] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:29:01] and no, I let the kids help me bring in the groceries from Costco. So I totally get it. Like, it's about the same. I mean, they don't put them away.

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[00:29:13] Jeb Sheldon: [00:29:13] Yeah. No, but from there the hunting just, I mean, really took off for me. I, uh,

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[00:29:21] Jeb Sheldon: [00:29:21] I really switch it up. So, uh, I've gone with a group. Like I, usually my family was my group.

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[00:29:43] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:29:43] kind of the gold standard.

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[00:29:46] Jeb Sheldon: [00:29:46] I understand why they're delicious. It

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[00:29:53] Jeb Sheldon: [00:29:53] Yeah. They're incredible there's so much more than just hunting season when you [00:30:00] really get into it.

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[00:30:03] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:30:03] Yeah. Like what are they doing right now? I know if you know that you have a lot better chance of finding them during hunting season, which is

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[00:30:22] Well, I hunted for 10 days straight in the pouring rain and I didn't see anything. And I'm like, well, you went somewhere where there were no animals or you just, you

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[00:30:32] Jeb Sheldon: [00:30:32] We're five steps off the logging road that 400 people have driven up. And like, you gotta to find your own opportunities.

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[00:30:58] I mean, you [00:31:00] couldn't be a professional basketball player, never pick up a basketball and then it comes finals. It's like, all right, let's roll. We're going to win this thing. But now you're not going to do well. Yeah. I mean,

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[00:31:10] Jeb Sheldon: [00:31:10] it is. I understand it because years and years ago, like generations.

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[00:31:33] Yeah, exactly. And it just, uh, it's different. It, it is harder and it's,

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[00:31:41] there a hundred percent or they just, they don't want to do that

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[00:31:54] Jeb Sheldon: [00:31:54] I spent so much time in the woods, so I'm always seeing animals and honestly, for, [00:32:00] for most of my life, I, I hated seeing people's pictures from hunting. Yeah. And it's honestly I was fucking jealous. I was like, I am out there all the time. I could do it. I just,

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[00:32:17]Jeff Nesbitt: [00:32:17] I love being out there even when it's raining, like picking mushrooms and just smashing through the brush and being loud and obnoxious. Um, and I I've made a habit of that's how I traveled through the woods.

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[00:32:36] Jeb Sheldon: [00:32:36] Yeah. I was just going to say, you might, you must not see many bears out there. No, exactly.

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[00:32:48] And yeah, I'm just like a mushroom picking robot. And I, I feel it in my DNA, like, uh, I'm gathering this food that I don't even want to eat. I don't even like him, but, I, once I find one, I pick it and [00:33:00] then my, my eyes just go over the terrain and look for like the signs that there could be more.

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[00:33:36] Jeb Sheldon: [00:33:36] I think it'd be pretty tough. That is the one thing. Um, so kind of get, like when I was younger, I, I would, uh, I mean then all say younger, not old enough to drive, basically, because that's a huge, like divider of your hunting capability is actually you have a vehicle.

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[00:34:01] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:34:01] Yeah. And it's also not great to carry a gun around outside. We'll be okay. Cool. Not really

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[00:34:12] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:34:12] weren't hunting orange.

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[00:34:34] And then I do eat ducks. I do. I actually really did not like them when I first started shooting them, but I would eat them because I knew that I shot it and I got to eat it just like

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[00:34:47] Jeb Sheldon: [00:34:47] I learned how to cook them the right way. How do you do it? So I make a lot of mine in the jerky just cause duck Turkey is fricking awesome.

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[00:34:58] Jeb Sheldon: [00:34:58] I'll definitely have to bring you [00:35:00] some at some point. It's awesome. Especially if you, I kind of like Megan jerky, just cause you can make it like, you know, the hard, tough stuff that you just, she wanted in the truck or you can make it like kind of subtle like freezer jerky.

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[00:35:15] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:35:15] one of my favorite foods.

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[00:35:28] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:35:28] I know, but I have a dehydrator and so I make like a lot of stuff with it, dried fruit and I preserved mostly a preserved mushrooms.

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[00:35:50] It goes good in anything. Mate just adds like a nice earthy element. Plus I think they're full of nutrients. Oh yeah. There's all kinds of really good stuff.

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[00:36:12] And then I got a truck and everything kind of opened up. So have you got an elk? Yeah. I've, I've

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[00:36:20]Jeb Sheldon: [00:36:20] It was a really good one. I didn't see. I heard that I thought I was going to see, and I had kind of planned on seeing and I mean, I had dreamed about it for days.

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[00:36:50] I mean, it's amazing every single time and it's definitely a huge rush. Bigger, first one is pretty, pretty interesting, but I've really been branching out and [00:37:00] do as much as I possibly can in Washington state.

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[00:37:20] And, , we just hadn't really seen much. And also we had a hard time sitting in one place, which is something that I think you kind of have to do. And it depends. Definitely. Yeah, we did. We couldn't really do it at all. I'm very active. I don't like sitting in one place and he, I mean, he was a kid he's 11 at the time, but just turned 12 maybe.

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[00:37:50] Jeb Sheldon: [00:37:50] best ones, man. I straight, sometimes it really is better to be lucky than good in the woods. That's that's has a lot of truth to it because I've heard some stories [00:38:00] like that, of people that have killed the biggest animal that they've ever killed in their life.

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[00:38:10] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:38:10] Yeah. And then right after that, I spent two weeks just hiking my ass off alone in the rain, trying to get a spot like you were saying, trying to find that little hidden Grove somewhere where there's just there.

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[00:38:40] And I don't have access to private property. So my public land, it's just like, yeah. Do you hunt on private land or do you mostly do public land too?

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[00:38:55] Uh, a lot of like hunt by written permission, a lot of the [00:39:00] fish and wildlife programs that they had. Uh, a lot of it, I mean, Eastern Washington. So I think there's a lot more acreage over there. That's open through the fish and

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[00:39:14] Jeb Sheldon: [00:39:14] So I mean, cool.

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[00:39:40] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:39:40] what an awesome year.

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[00:39:52] Jeb Sheldon: [00:39:52] Yeah. I got to get up. I got to go over to Montana with a group of friends that had antelope tags and it

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[00:40:01] Yeah, we got, that was like an Africa thing.

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[00:40:06] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:40:06] that's crazy. Yeah. So I imagine that they're tasty.

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[00:40:15] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:40:15] oh man. I'd serve something with cantaloupe, with that, just for the rhyme yeah. Right on that sounds like fun. So the bear a black bear. Yeah. , did you eat his heart for the courage?

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[00:40:30] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:40:30] let all that courage.

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[00:40:40] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:40:40] It's amazing. Yeah. We ate the heart too. It's the deer. We killed the liver. I ate

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[00:40:53] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:40:53] It's not delicious. I don't think unless you've made pet hay or something. I don't know.

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[00:41:05] Jeb Sheldon: [00:41:05] it that's fair enough. I should. I'd really like it. Take it by myself and figure out a way to cook it that I could at least

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[00:41:18] Yeah, that would be great. Yeah. That'd be great. Actually. I'd throw the heart in there too.

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[00:41:25] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:41:25] God. That sounds so good.

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[00:41:37] Like that sounds horrible. And I'm like, dude, like try it. It's good. And ate it. This isn't this isn't the heart. I'm like, yeah, it is. It's pretty damn good if you cook it right? Yeah.

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[00:41:56] And I was pulling up like that hit me when I was pulling them out. I was like pulling on [00:42:00] these little and I was like yelling to Melissa. I was like, there's all these little strings in here. And the heart, like pulling out these strings. Like, that's probably why they say that it must be whoever wrote this song was a fucking murderer.

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[00:42:42] It's a bow. You get to see bowls that, I mean, you would never have a chance at seeing yeah. Like normal country and you look at them and you're like, wow, these are actually like wild elk that are just getting, you know, kind of supplemented during the winter.

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[00:43:03] Jeb Sheldon: [00:43:03] It's like big, high fence around like the parking lot area, but these elk are just coming off the hill. Yeah. It's the Oak Creek feed station over there, but uh, no. And you just see the big military truck with like bales of hay on the back and they're going through and tossing them off and they'll agree.

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[00:43:23] Jeb Sheldon: [00:43:23] Yeah, well, they go there. I think they set that program up and I'm not an expert on it just cause they knew that that was such a tough country, that those elk needed a little bit of supplement through the winter. And I mean, the winters tells homeless shelter for elk pretty much, but the soup kitchen.

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[00:43:43] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:43:43] don't exist anymore. There's a lot of homeless people. I don't see many of them with cups of soup. No, probably not, but I don't know. That's just a tangent. Um, what were we just talking about deer? Oh yeah. [00:44:00] You probably knew this already, but I had my mind blown, so I was watching wild Kratts.

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[00:44:09] Jeb Sheldon: [00:44:09] They're super familiar for some reason,

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[00:44:27]So I'm watching this show with my daughter, it's her favorite show. And she somehow has, she started telling me that it's my favorite show. So she like tells me we can watch it as like, as a, you know, as a, she throw me a bone like, Hey dad, you want to go upstairs?

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[00:45:03] A rainbow, a reindeer and caribou is actually the same thing. That's a bunch of bullshit. I've been, I've been wrong for like 25 years. Yeah. Did you know that?

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[00:45:14] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:45:14] dazed. The reindeer, like first it's shown caribou and they're talking about it like, oh yeah, this is the caribou.

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[00:45:37] Never like these Squatty midget little, they looked like a mini horse. Um, it was like a domesticated looking creature with horns though. Like really freaked

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[00:46:10] they're originally from New Zealand I believe. And they're like, they can be super big trophy animals. Is there like a kind of a deer, but you look at them and you're like, that's bigger than most of the elk racks I've ever seen in person in my life, but

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[00:46:31] I'm

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[00:46:52] I'd love to have a couple of those , little guys as pets someday.

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[00:47:03]Jeb Sheldon: [00:47:03] Let's see, how's that looking for you? Perfect.

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[00:47:14] Jeb Sheldon: [00:47:14] I can't believe you didn't ask him this.

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[00:47:28] So Missoula children's theater. Do you know it? Do you feel like you, would you ever do one, unfortunately,

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[00:47:43] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:47:43] No, it's a love or hate thing.

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[00:47:48]Jeff Nesbitt: [00:47:48] Doing a play as a kid will separate.

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[00:48:13] I did one when I was 16 and it was pushing the limits. I was wearing a children's costume and I was like over 200 pounds. Uh, so my, and I had decently long hair, probably around where yours is at right now. And it was like sticking out of the costume everywhere. It was just, I, my belly was hanging out

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[00:48:52] But I went and watched his play this weekend. And I don't think that it came off that way at all. Just because, [00:49:00] uh, anyway, I digress I'll tell the story. Okay. So the there's two showings, one at noon, and one at 5:00 PM.

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[00:49:18] So we're going to bring her to the early show. Then take her home, let her take her nap. Everything shall be fine. I had, an idea to get some flowers for my daughter before we go. And I was also going to use that as a justification so that when my wife left, because my, he doesn't wanna hang out with me.

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[00:49:53] Jeb Sheldon: [00:49:53] Canceled man?

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[00:49:57] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:49:57] getting out of hand, but, , yeah, [00:50:00] so anyway, that was the plan. We're good. And I was like, Millia, let's go get some flowers. We'll let them go. We'll go get some flowers and then meet them at the play. We're going to go to the early show. So obviously I want to go to Safeway to get the flowers.

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[00:50:32] And I would have this day, I would have gone to Safeway, but I was like, no Missoula children's theater. My mental map from Missoula children's theater clicked. And sent me to Hilltop school, everything Missoula I've ever done. Other than one I drove Elsa to practice earlier in this week had been Missoula at Hilltop, but this time it was Missoula at the Liberty theater in Astoria, which I had full knowledge of.

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[00:51:13] I drive past it and I loop around and not only does it, let me kind of scan the scene and make sure there's no threats case. I want to bail scope it out. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, just forget. Anyway, I get to Hilltop and there's no cars there and I'm just like, fuck what? And I texted my wife. I'm like, where's the play I'm at Hilltop.

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[00:51:47] Jeb Sheldon: [00:51:47] every once in a while, but usually just to like, get a coffee or something, that's pretty

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[00:51:51] Yeah. Have you seen they've they've sold it and now it's like weird. I honestly, I haven't been in there and smells different. It's full of strangers, the stack things weirdly

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[00:52:07] They're like, why do I have to stand in line? Like I never stand it. The matters felting, grocery stores

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[00:52:19] Jeb Sheldon: [00:52:19] Do you like, I know we're not, you know, big enough for an express line. Just get out of my way,

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[00:52:30] Jeb Sheldon: [00:52:30] I know. I know.

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[00:52:55] and I remember I was like, oh yeah, duh, that knowledge was just like very various [00:53:00] accessible. I just didn't go looking for it. And I don't know how we got talking about that in the first place, but we, we waited and we went to the late show and it was all fine and dandy, so that the play was good though. It was fantastic. Shout out Missoula children's theater

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[00:53:17] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:53:17] So just refresh my memory.

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[00:53:20] Jeb Sheldon: [00:53:20] so I'm studying ag technology and production management over at WSU. I, uh, with

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[00:53:29] Jeb Sheldon: [00:53:29] to, uh, take over my family's farm, hopefully one day, um, it's a really solid major. The oldest, the old advisor, unfortunately retired, but they told him like, you know, all your classes are going to be online.

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[00:53:47] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:53:47] I don't blame him.

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[00:54:04] Oh, I love him. He, he was a really, really good advice.

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[00:54:13] Jeb Sheldon: [00:54:13] Yeah. He's he's the man. He's the absolute small

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[00:54:20] Jeb Sheldon: [00:54:20] We'll have to send this one his way.

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[00:54:45] um, but yeah, Jim Durfee came down, from WSU and he was working on that project. That's that's interesting. And he brought sandwiches and he gave me one and I was hungry. So I took it and I took a bite of it and I was like, what is this magical delight? I've never encountered this [00:55:00] creamy bean spread before.

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[00:55:11]Jeb Sheldon: [00:55:11] Yeah. So we got a new advisor. I think he's a great guy. Uh, originally, actually from Willow valley lives over in Idaho now, but a tad Wheeler professor Wheeler, good guy, unfortunately have not got to meet him in person.

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[00:55:33] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:55:33] I never met my advisor until my junior year and she was on campus. I was there too. I could have gone in at any time

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[00:55:43] Oh really?

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[00:56:01] Just load the bucket. Yeah. I loved learning. I, and this is like, there there's no better place for a mind like mine. That was so much fun.

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[00:56:23] I don't want to learn about it. I'm a, had a super good introductory history teacher just really, really liked him. Thought he taught the material well. And, , his whole background is the study of organized crime, like the beginning of time. So I'm taking history of organized crime next year. Really excited about it, honestly, just cause it's interesting, but you're

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[00:56:46] Yeah. That's, that's one of those things that , people will always find it. Cool. , when you know shit about Al Capone and,

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[00:57:07] Yeah. I took, I think I, oh, it was two semesters ago. I took fly fishing at WSU. Yeah.

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[00:57:17] Jeb Sheldon: [00:57:17] no, we went to the family play fields in Pullman and sat there and cast a fly rod for a couple of hours each week. But

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[00:57:25] Jeb Sheldon: [00:57:25] a little bit? Yeah. And I honestly think it's a complete blast.

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[00:57:50] We have pretty well-respected people come out here and visit and I'm like, and I didn't bring even a spinning rod, like nothing [00:58:00] but no, I was kicking myself, but yeah, I definitely want to try. Yeah.

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[00:58:05] Jeb Sheldon: [00:58:05] But no, that's, and that's something when I moved back here that I really want to just, I feel like I have pretty good knowledge of it, but I want to get specific and dialed into a lot of the different types of fishing here.

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[00:58:44] We had a great day. We caught a ton of tuna and, uh, you get

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[00:58:51] Jeb Sheldon: [00:58:51] You just pull them in by hand. Just,

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[00:58:56] Jeb Sheldon: [00:58:56] talking about? Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, basically a troll [00:59:00] pole is like, you'll have two big poles.

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[00:59:21] And then you grab that line and you pull it in by hand and you can get it up to the boat, drop her in the neck and goes into the bucket. But yeah, it was. The, so the fish we were catching came back at like an 18, 19 pound average. So, I mean, there were solid tuna and, uh, especially the long longest line out there, like pulling that one in with a heavy fish on it.

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[00:59:53] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:59:53] but do you like to eat tuna?

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[01:00:06] And he taught me how to kind of cook the loins. And once I got his recipe was what's your favorite way to cook it? I just marinated it and then tally and dressing and throw it on the barbecue. That's exactly what I was going to say. It's the most basic thing. It's so good though. They get that's. I like to keep it simple when I'm cooking.

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[01:00:28] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:00:28] else. If it's a fatty steak, you don't even need the

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[01:00:30] Jeb Sheldon: [01:00:30] Exactly. Season it right with the basic stuff and not anything else. And it comes out good.

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[01:00:43] Just so there's something in the pan. And then it really like when it's really, really good steak, salt, pepper, and a little Sprig of Rosemary, like out of my yard and that's it. Nothing else. The steak is so good. Yeah. And then I sometimes I'll finish it with some Kerry gold butter. [01:01:00] Oh yes.

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[01:01:05] It's

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[01:01:12]Jeb Sheldon: [01:01:12] It's tough. And take your time. That's a really good question.

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[01:01:19] Jeb Sheldon: [01:01:19] big ribeye guy. I do like relies a lot

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[01:01:25] Jeb Sheldon: [01:01:25] as basic as you can get medium rare. Yeah. At most

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[01:01:31] They do the, my friend, Jeff when he lived with me, he would get a pan extremely hot, so hot to where it's actually ruining the pan. Yeah. And he's not going to pay you for it. He gets the pan real hot and then takes a steak and just Sears the fuck out of it, to where it's like almost burnt and then flips it over.

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[01:02:09] So like caramelized on this thing. And this is the point where we part ways I would like to think cook the steak more. Uh, but he'll just sit down and start sawing on that bitch and eating it right away. Like basically still cold in the middle. And it was gross, but a lot of people like a good, like when it's quality meat, people leave it like that.

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[01:02:56] That's a perfect steak to me, but when it's all pink and the, [01:03:00] the inside's almost like purple in the middle, it's a little squishy. You like it like that.

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[01:03:20] Because, I mean, I saw exactly what happened to it. So I'm not really worried.

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[01:03:33] Jeb Sheldon: [01:03:33] so found the one coconut reared comes out a lot better. I mean, especially like, uh, if you do cook organs like heart, if you ever cook heart horrible.

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[01:03:50] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:03:50] they have those things. Uh, Suvi, have you ever seen those? It's like, oh, thanks. So it's like a electronic device with a heating element and a water circulator and you take a [01:04:00] pot of water, like a regular stock pot.

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[01:04:24] But, I've been very tempted to buy one just because I've. I mean less and less all the time, but in my life, I've probably ruined 10% of the steaks I've ever cooked, just because of, I want it to be so perfect that I'll end up and I hate having to put a stake back. Yeah. Oh, that's the word

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[01:04:42] Just like, it doesn't even taste good, but you've pretty much just ruined. Like when you put it back on, you're like, well, if I cook it more, it's going to ruin it. But if I don't then either I or the not cooking four, isn't going to enjoy it. So

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[01:05:00] gross.

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[01:05:06] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:05:06] They use them in fancy restaurants, which is something that makes me think like, yeah, maybe there's a

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[01:05:16] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:05:16] they have grills that do that now, too though.

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[01:05:23]Jeb Sheldon: [01:05:23] I haven't, but I got super into the, uh, I just bought an electric smoker last year and, uh, Mastercraft, I believe it is.

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[01:05:32] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:05:32] That's pretty sure that's what it is. The horizontal one that looks almost like a

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[01:05:47] I'm like, I could use that and I can upgrade from the big chief and pretty good. Oh, they're just so golden. That's I've I honestly made jerky in this electric smoker. No, I've [01:06:00] got it too. Dialed in on the big chief. I'm just going to pop it in there. It kind of all tastes the same when you make it there, but it's got a good flavor.

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[01:06:06] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:06:06] a little chief when I was a teenager. I worked at jacks and that's where they sell so much of that kind of stuff. Like I, and I would vacuum the carpets and I would just fantasize about being able to buy all this stuff. And I don't know why I wanted like the smoker really appealed to me.

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[01:06:41] So it was just like,

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[01:06:45] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:06:45] Exactly. It's like, I don't know. But I have no idea if it was actually good or not, but probably not. Probably I

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[01:06:57] I, uh, I did a few prime ribs [01:07:00] on it and I'll sounds good. I, yeah. Wow. Bone-in whole prime ribs. I did them for like Thanksgiving or something and they're amazing. That sounds like the best food you could possibly eat. Okay. Oh, it is so good. I, I cooked it the first time in the first time cooking it. Like if you look at big cuts and eat like that, you're like, well, this is can be kind of intimidating.

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[01:07:40] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:07:40] money.

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[01:07:48] Jeb Sheldon: [01:07:48] element. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's good. It does works really good. And they're, they're pretty damn effective. Right.

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[01:08:00] [01:07:59] Jeb Sheldon: [01:07:59] So, uh, for some reason or another, that's always been kind of a near and dear thing to me, I've just always kind of thought. Um,

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[01:08:10] Jeb Sheldon: [01:08:10] So we're on the north beach peninsula say we live on it. Um, uh, to the best of my knowledge and I do not have the working history of my dad or grandpa, but they've always been pretty big proponents of it.

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[01:08:28] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:08:28] I know that's, what's so funny is because how are you ever gonna like. Yeah. You have nowhere to go with the platform for that. No, you can't change the name,

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[01:08:41] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:08:41] And people might start, but most of the time it's gonna be like, wait, what? Yeah, exactly.

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[01:09:01] I mean, Seaview that's right next to it. Like, oh no, screw you guys. We're this is the long beach peninsula.

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[01:09:09] Jeb Sheldon: [01:09:09] Yeah. Geez. No, it's.

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[01:09:15] Jeb Sheldon: [01:09:15] like that either.

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[01:09:18] Jeb Sheldon: [01:09:18] think so. And I don't want people in ocean park.

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[01:09:23] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:09:23] The long beach peninsula is fine with me too. But like south bend is the county seat. Yeah.

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[01:09:29] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:09:29] Oysterville. Yep. That's what I was going to say. That's something that was a real dramatic event that occurred in our , little county.

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[01:09:45] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:09:45] We didn't get to play south bend. We played people from further away when you

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[01:09:51] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:09:51] yeah. Got slaughtered.

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[01:09:55] Jeb Sheldon: [01:09:55] Yeah. And I mean, that's a thing that continually comes up now because we're to be [01:10:00] is like, oh, well, you guys are the biggest to be in the league. This isn't even fair.

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[01:10:08] Jeb Sheldon: [01:10:08] know, Yeah, I don't think we should be one a but personal

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[01:10:14] Is there nothing in between those two?

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[01:10:19] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:10:19] Okay. So it goes back down after that doesn't seem like it makes sense to me for some reason, but I might just be not thinking about it. Right. Um, so you won a oh two B. Got it. So

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[01:10:35] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:10:35] no three B like there's three a no, I wonder why not?

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[01:10:40] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:10:40] think maybe they should start one.

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[01:10:45] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:10:45] You'll be elite champs. Yeah. Every year. Yeah. I play everything online. Oh my God. Yeah. What do you think of online school? You must, I mean, you must be used to it by now.

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[01:11:02] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:11:02] Thank you. I feel like that's the same. I've always felt like that sucks.

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[01:11:31] But, uh, I mean, of course everybody's sitting at the bar down the street with no masks on is fine, but, uh,

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[01:11:40] Jeb Sheldon: [01:11:40] when we got there. You could not get a COVID test. We first showed up to school. Yeah. They were real

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[01:11:47] Jeb Sheldon: [01:11:47] But I, uh, I have like other friends in there, like I've been, COVID tested three times already just for a rival testing.

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[01:12:14] So

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[01:12:17]Jeb Sheldon: [01:12:17] I was living in a fraternity

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[01:12:42] Like that sucks.

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[01:12:48] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:12:48] what was dating? Like, are you, do you have a girlfriend.

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[01:13:04] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:13:04] It's already such a weird year of life. Like that first year out of high school out in the world is like, it's bizarre, no matter what, I can't even imagine trying to navigate

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[01:13:25] And, uh, we were having events, you know, big parties, uh, exchanges, date, dashes, all this fun stuff, loving it. It was a great in the Chinese

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[01:13:36] Jeb Sheldon: [01:13:36] trickle in and, uh, then. Really unfortunate event, a kid passed away at WSU. So really just, you know, you could tell the energy on campus completely changed, right.

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[01:14:12] So it was pretty close. But, uh, what happened? Um, I can't remember if official cause was alcohol poisoning or something tragic. Yeah. Hoover party really, really sad. The hammer man. And it was in a house that, I mean had, uh, unfortunately kind of gained a reputation for it. So did they

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[01:14:37] Jeb Sheldon: [01:14:37] They're off-campus they were trying to charge. I think at least four or five guys with felonies and then Pullman PD kind of dropped the ball and let everything time out. So now they're getting charged with like a gross misdemeanor, I think, but obviously the chapter's gone off campus and they literally two years before had just done like a [01:15:00] $10 million renovation on the house.

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[01:15:18] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:15:18] yeah.

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[01:15:25] And our professor looked at us and he's like, Hey, honestly, not exactly sure what's going on, but, and we were just about to go on spring break. He said, yeah, You guys might want to pack like some extra stuff to take home for spring break, like make sure you have all your textbooks, make sure you got your laptop and stuff.

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[01:15:51] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:15:51] were here. There was like, yeah, no one was

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[01:16:01] It was, I am very excited and hopeful to get back to that next year. Thank God you got that? Yeah, it definitely gave me a taste for sure. I, uh, yeah, looking forward to it again. Are

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[01:16:16] Jeb Sheldon: [01:16:16] Yep. Full in person in person, attendance of football games. Um, in-person attendance for recruitment, but like Greek recruitment and, , yeah, it should be a good time.

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[01:16:30] Jeb Sheldon: [01:16:30] Yeah. So currently I'm the chaplain I serve on our executive board. Is that like a priest? Um, that's kind of the conception of it. It's more someone who just kind of upholds the values of the fraternity technically I'm disaffiliated right now because I'm a recruitment counselor for next year, so they're not supposed to know which house you're in, but I'll basically say that I kind of had the board that, um, deals with people that aren't behaving how they should.

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[01:17:22] Yeah. And when that happens, I mean, there are some kids that, you know, you, you like, and you've grown close to that are just no longer on the path that they should be, that, um, unfortunately just is not conducive to them being in a Greek kind of environment anymore.

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[01:17:45] What kind of standards do you have to uphold to be a part of that organization?

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[01:18:07] Like job fairs or something like that. , everybody has to get a certain programming requirement. They do in-house and out of house in-house is like, we'd have alumni come down and talk about their new investment group that they formed, or an attorney or whatever.

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[01:18:26] Jeb Sheldon: [01:18:26] Yeah. You have to sign in with like your WSU ID and they're really, really strict about keeping track.

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[01:18:36] Jeb Sheldon: [01:18:36] major. Exactly. Yeah. But, uh, we do those, , we do a lot of community service, different things. Like the last one we did was, uh, removing wildfire fuel from a county park.

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[01:19:04]Jeff Nesbitt: [01:19:04] What's the biggest misconception people have about fraternities in the general public

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[01:19:17] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:19:17] Yeah. Yeah. But, uh, I'm sorry. I'm I'm, I'm trivializing it again.

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[01:19:27] Jeb Sheldon: [01:19:27] honestly. Yeah. Well, on the outside, like that's what shown like, I mean, not everybody is posting a picture of them, like standing next to the tree they just planted do when you're wearing a bestie service, garbage

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[01:19:41] Jeb Sheldon: [01:19:41] Yeah. But they're posting apart. They're posting a picture at the party that they had and, uh, That enters it is tits

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[01:19:58] Jeb Sheldon: [01:19:58] It's about the furthest. You [01:20:00] could get away from those to be honest

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[01:20:01] Yeah. That's what it sounds like. It sounds like you guys do a lot of good stuff. Enrich the community the thing about the credits and, , learning about, , like credits to do basically continuing education extracurriculars. That's cool. That's community building.

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[01:20:23]We had a member who's one of their siblings had a type of cancer and we raised a ton of money through them

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[01:20:35]we were historically bad at making good philanthropy events, but we made some money on the deal I came. I know, but the last one that we did was really cool. , everyone participated in some way, but there are a few main guys who did it. They did the David Goggins challenge four by four by

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[01:20:56] That looks insane. Yeah. It, so tell [01:21:00] us what that is.

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[01:21:04] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:21:04] And how many people finished that

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[01:21:19] And, uh, we basically set it up to be their headquarters. Right. Ice buckets, food, snacks, everything. When sounds fun, hooked him up. Yeah. I didn't know. I am pretty far from a runner. That's

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[01:21:34] Jeb Sheldon: [01:21:34] she away, man? I'm probably like two 20 right now. He's six. Three. Yeah. Probably somewhere around there.

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[01:21:42] Jeb Sheldon: [01:21:42] Yeah, no, I, uh, I like hiking a lot, but something about running just, it kills me. It's not that fun. I know.

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[01:21:54] Jeb Sheldon: [01:21:54] had a couple of those moments where I've been like, wow, I feel really good right now.

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[01:22:02] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:22:02] Yeah. Your ancestors weren't persistence hunting. They were wasting with a big rock.

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[01:22:19]children and fallen seals. So yeah, it was really, really neat. It was.

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[01:22:38] You're gonna know how to work your ass off from working for your family. You're gonna just be able to go take those skills and go do whatever you want. And the world's changing so much. We have no idea what opportunities await us in the future, and it's going to be, it's going to be exciting. I'm excited to see what happens.

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[01:23:02] Jeb Sheldon: [01:23:02] a little bit? I'll tell you. I am not the most technological person out there. I feel like, I mean, I'm not either. Yeah. I can do a lot of stuff. I try to follow like new technologies, especially cause I got way too into the stock trading stuff last year, it's addictive

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[01:23:22] Jeb Sheldon: [01:23:22] It was, there was not so much. No, it's not, unfortunately, but no kind of getting into the different like, well, this person makes this part for this company, which is getting bought out by this company. Like that's fun to follow. It is like that. It's really, really funny.

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[01:23:41] What were your favorite things to follow up with date where you strictly like traditional stock market?

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[01:23:56] I plan to move into that when I'm financially [01:24:00] capable.

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[01:24:03] Jeb Sheldon: [01:24:03] Like I am at the end of the day, still a broke college student. So I can't do that, but I just kind of got into this stuff. That was interesting to me, me, and of course, a billion other people decided to buy a whole bunch of doge coin, which actually worked out pretty good.

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[01:24:33] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:24:33] good return return. I bought some at like, I think it was in a 20 cent region and I sold it in a 30 cent region. So I made a little bit of money, but not much.

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[01:24:55] Jeb Sheldon: [01:24:55] Yeah, no, I, uh, I honestly wouldn't have bought it, but we have this buddy [01:25:00] that used to be at our fraternity.

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[01:25:17] I'm like, oh my God, are you kidding me? This gets to a dollar. I'm going to kick myself.

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[01:25:29] Jeb Sheldon: [01:25:29] You know? And before that, every, literally that was like the most direct correlation tweet from Elon Musk about doge coin up 10 cents.

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[01:25:39] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:25:39] anymore because he's, he's tried continuously, but I think it was part of a coordinated effort on a much larger scale. And it. Nearly cynical enough when it came to sources. So especially with crypto, I was just thinking, oh, cryptos, you know, it's the wild west big [01:26:00] money hasn't made their way in to control everything yet.

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[01:26:03] Jeb Sheldon: [01:26:03] they created it probably.

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[01:26:27] You'll see a bunch of positive stories one day. And then a couple of days later, you'll see, oh, so-and-so this financial analyst says Bitcoin's not a real asset, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's just like, it's very, very strategic. It reeks of manipulation. Yeah.

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[01:26:47] Anybody with a smartphone can hop on and buy whatever they want. Like it's a mass consumer market. Like they're literally just getting you to put money in your phone and send it to them. And then you might make some, [01:27:00] if you play it over and it is, it is illegal gambling, a hundred percent. It is. But I think you can do it smart, but I also think you either have to have a financial background or get a solid broker and actually put money in

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[01:27:16] Yeah. It's changing so fast. It's brand new technology and it's changing fast and there not only is there competing technologies all advancing together, but they're making cross-platform layers. There's no way to keep up. No, it's really a lot, but I don't know. I'm still investing in crypto.

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[01:27:56] The whole Cardona just expanded all over Africa and [01:28:00] regardless of pop culture sentiment and what the fuck Elon Musk says, I love you Ilan. Don't take it the wrong way. I think those technologies are going to do well. I think they're going to continue to slowly but surely gain market share and increase their spread.

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[01:28:36] But, you know, given the market conditions since may, they are shit coins now, but I, I put it all in into 10 different coins, bought a hundred dollars of each and the project is to last a year. I'm going to come back a year later and just talk about, I'm gonna make a podcast about it, about what happened over the course of the year in that like the altcoin market trading [01:29:00] volumes in those probably crossed that little portfolio are down 60% since the purchase, the values are all down.

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[01:29:36] I mean, I would, if I, I would, because then I would just buy back in at 29. Yeah. Obviously I'm not an idiot, but if I was back in that same position where we're at 60 and I still don't know if it's going to go up or down, I'm going to still hold. Like I believe in the technology I really do. And I think with the lightning network and just the layers of expansion that are possible, and the fact that they're moving [01:30:00] so much hash power out of China, which is where a lot of that dirty energy was coming from.

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[01:30:16] Jeb Sheldon: [01:30:16] Well, I mean, they're so established when you look at everything around them, they just, if there's anything that is somewhat constant or reliable in the market, The most established coin, which is Bitcoin at this point, honestly, but

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[01:30:34] You can't go find the CEO of Bitcoin. It's, it's a program. It's just a code it's just running and it works. And it works even in the face of huge obstacles, like blackouts and, China pulling out and all of it, it's going to continue to work, even if the EU bans cryptocurrencies, which I've seen some scare articles about that.

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[01:31:17] Oh yeah. Yeah. And stable coins is another thing that is now getting a lot of attention because, and central bank, digital currencies, which the central bank digital currency is if our federal reserve bank decides to mint their own stable coin or their own cryptocurrency. So it's, it's not, it's really no different than cash.

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[01:32:04] Yeah. Which I don't know that we do. Yeah. I liked the option. Yeah. It's nice. A free market is better. Like, even if it does allow the possibility for, bad behavior. Yeah. It eliminates the possibility for corruption. Yeah, it really does.

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[01:32:22] Yeah. You know, give a little, take a little, oh yeah. You just can't have your cake and eat it too people. Aren't perfect.

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[01:32:48] Well the only payment method that the guy would take was Bitcoin and he bought this in the very early years of his high school when Bitcoin was worth almost nothing so he. A ton of extra, [01:33:00] cause he just like transferred some money and bought Bakewell so, uh, pays, held forever. However much the fake ID was worth. Then he sees Bitcoin goes up to like, I think when it first hit big, it was like 30 grand or something around there, 36. And he's like, I wonder if I spent on that, it goes in there. He's got like 10 Bitcoin left. Oh my God. Yeah. Just smash the sell button and pay almost paid for college.

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[01:33:37] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:33:37] That probably happened to so many people.

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[01:33:50] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:33:50] people who.

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[01:33:55] Jeb Sheldon: [01:33:55] find it got locked out. I heard those be so horrible. Like I [01:34:00] have millions of dollars, but the thing that I made myself, I can't remember to put in the computer.

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[01:34:15] Send me a link. And then none of that, it's just like, you forgot your shit. You lost your shit. Yup. And that's not, that's not good, but it'll make you be responsible. That's right.

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[01:34:31] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:34:31] Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, you need to pretty much need a safe to store that stuff, which is kind of funny because it's all of a sudden we're back in the physical realm, like the digital currency, you still need a safe to store your.

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[01:35:06] Even after six o'clock I forgot all.

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[01:35:10] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:35:10] name. Do you have any thing you want to hit before you're out of here?

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[01:35:14] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:35:14] everything

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[01:35:19] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:35:19] Yeah. That's right. She really appreciates those birthday

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[01:35:30] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:35:30] at my pharmacy.

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[01:35:47] Anyway. Thank you so much for coming. This has been really fun. I learned a ton about being at a fraternity. It actually, you legitimized fraternities to me

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[01:36:01] Jeff Nesbitt: [01:36:01] Its not all beer bongs and butt plugs

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[01:36:05]Jeff Nesbitt: [01:36:05] All right. Thanks Jeff. Have a good one. And thank you everybody for listening. I'll talk to you next time.